(11-01-2023 09:52 AM)whupemall Wrote:  If it's not Liberty vs. Jax State, we're going to sue! I've already written my congressman.

Only kidding.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure who's going to come out on top between WKU and NMSU. WKU has the talent, but has had trouble putting it together this year. NMSU has looked very impressive at times this season, while at other times, it seems they haven't quite finished rounding the corner.

Basically, it's two enigmas. Since Jax State doesn't play NMSU until the final week, it's hard for me to judge which is the better team.

At this point, though, I'm leaning Aggies. They've been slightly better on offense and a good deal better on scoring defense.

That said, I'm not sure either team can topple the Flames this year. K Salt's legit.

It would be great to have JSU in the championship mix as well, but the NCAA rules kind of stopped that. I do want to say thank you guys from Jax State for being a class act and not acting like the spoiled brats from JMU. I’m hoping that there will be a bowl game available for you guys because you deserve it for the year that y’all have had. Beat those wannabes from Columbia Saturday.

I don’t care who makes it but I’m rooting for NMSU. I feel a bit of a bond with them since we joined at the same time. But I’d really love for us to finish second so their (or whoever’s) CCG appearance has an asterisk beside it.

(11-01-2023 10:16 AM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 09:52 AM)whupemall Wrote:  If it's not Liberty vs. Jax State, we're going to sue! I've already written my congressman.

Only kidding.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure who's going to come out on top between WKU and NMSU. WKU has the talent, but has had trouble putting it together this year. NMSU has looked very impressive at times this season, while at other times, it seems they haven't quite finished rounding the corner.

Basically, it's two enigmas. Since Jax State doesn't play NMSU until the final week, it's hard for me to judge which is the better team.

At this point, though, I'm leaning Aggies. They've been slightly better on offense and a good deal better on scoring defense.

That said, I'm not sure either team can topple the Flames this year. K Salt's legit.

Jax State is clearly the second best team in the league. Can anyone explain to me why a FBS newby can't be immediately eligible for a title or bowl game?
I realize there's a rule in place but trying to understand the reasoning. Seems ridiculous to me. JMU deserved a decent bowl last year, too.

They did not want Jacksonville State to move up. This is the price they have to pay for trying to get in on the action.

(11-01-2023 10:16 AM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 09:52 AM)whupemall Wrote:  If it's not Liberty vs. Jax State, we're going to sue! I've already written my congressman.

Only kidding.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure who's going to come out on top between WKU and NMSU. WKU has the talent, but has had trouble putting it together this year. NMSU has looked very impressive at times this season, while at other times, it seems they haven't quite finished rounding the corner.

Basically, it's two enigmas. Since Jax State doesn't play NMSU until the final week, it's hard for me to judge which is the better team.

At this point, though, I'm leaning Aggies. They've been slightly better on offense and a good deal better on scoring defense.

That said, I'm not sure either team can topple the Flames this year. K Salt's legit.

Jax State is clearly the second best team in the league. Can anyone explain to me why a FBS newby can't be immediately eligible for a title or bowl game?
I realize there's a rule in place but trying to understand the reasoning. Seems ridiculous to me. JMU deserved a decent bowl last year, too.

The rule is in place because of how Marshall moved up to FBS and it doesn't necessarily prohibit a conference championship just post season play, like a CCG. When GS joined the SBC there was no CCG and the conference championship was simply determined by W-L record so they got to be the champs.


I also think conferences are worried about how it would look if an FCS move up just waltzes in an wins it in year 1.

(11-01-2023 10:16 AM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 09:52 AM)whupemall Wrote:  If it's not Liberty vs. Jax State, we're going to sue! I've already written my congressman.

Only kidding.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure who's going to come out on top between WKU and NMSU. WKU has the talent, but has had trouble putting it together this year. NMSU has looked very impressive at times this season, while at other times, it seems they haven't quite finished rounding the corner.

Basically, it's two enigmas. Since Jax State doesn't play NMSU until the final week, it's hard for me to judge which is the better team.

At this point, though, I'm leaning Aggies. They've been slightly better on offense and a good deal better on scoring defense.

That said, I'm not sure either team can topple the Flames this year. K Salt's legit.

Jax State is clearly the second best team in the league. Can anyone explain to me why a FBS newby can't be immediately eligible for a title or bowl game?
I realize there's a rule in place but trying to understand the reasoning. Seems ridiculous to me. JMU deserved a decent bowl last year, too.

It's the Marshall rule. Before the one-time, any-reason transfer, FBS to FBS transfers had to sit out a year, but they could play immediately when moving to FCS. Marshall announced it's move to FBS. In their final FCS season, they loaded up on FBS talent, including Randy Moss, and won a national title. The following year, they won immediately and went to a bowl. The NCAA made transitioning schools ineligible after that.

I believe the new portal rules make that rule outdated, at least on the FBS side.

(11-01-2023 09:29 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 09:26 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  It was a toss up for me almost equally between NMSU and WKU against LU. As others have said here, this is new territory for LU moving from indy to a conference. In the past, LU only was consumed with their next game. Now, the play of other teams matters. As it should be, I've watched most all C-USA teams at least part this year, when playing LU and other conference games. I'll channel surf this week checking on both NMSU and WKU and other games of interest. I based my thought who LU would pay partly on the comments of valid WKU and NMSU posters who provide insight to their teams. It would be good Conference Final. LU will put on it's best show. Be sure to watch the LU pre-game show 1 hour before kickoff. It's a professionally presented, objective show. One can catch it on YouTube. And with a cozy 29k stadium, the TV shots should be appealing. I'm guessing more WKU fans can make the trip rather than the lengthy TX trip. I'm still believing WKU will be team playing LU this year moving WKU off the pre-season top spot.

What is the lengthy TX trip you are talking about?

Duhhhh. I had Texas on my mind rather than New Mexico. That's a lengthy Las Cruces trip. My bad.

(11-01-2023 09:52 AM)whupemall Wrote:  If it's not Liberty vs. Jax State, we're going to sue! I've already written my congressman.

Only kidding.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure who's going to come out on top between WKU and NMSU. WKU has the talent, but has had trouble putting it together this year. NMSU has looked very impressive at times this season, while at other times, it seems they haven't quite finished rounding the corner.

Basically, it's two enigmas. Since Jax State doesn't play NMSU until the final week, it's hard for me to judge which is the better team.

At this point, though, I'm leaning Aggies. They've been slightly better on offense and a good deal better on scoring defense.

That said, I'm not sure either team can topple the Flames this year. K Salt's legit.

And you would win, a moral victory. You guys are sort of our reps of the "not eligible" as JMU is to the SBC. I think it's great that you are winning games after being pick so low in preseason. Now score a lots of notoriety points by taking care of SC this weekend.

(11-01-2023 08:12 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  The first CFP rankings came out yesterday. The last sentence in the ESPN article had this to say:

"As for the other undefeated team that is eligible for the postseason, Air Force (8-0) came in ranked at No. 25. But the Falcons are not the top-ranked Group of 5 school. Despite a loss, Tulane (7-1) is just ahead of Air Force, at No. 24."

Zero mention of Liberty being undefeated. Or maybe they think they aren't eligible?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...p-rankings

We havent played anybody, our schedule is against the Deaf and Blind University every week. Until we can bulk up our OOC schedule this will be the case year in and year out. I think it was wise of us to join a conference and unfortunately the SBC kept denying us, so we had to take what we could get, that being said, we knew SOS was going to be the issue and that is a glaring black eye for us right now. This year we were supposed to play ECU, UNC, and I believe Wake Forest but we lost those games due to conference scheduling and the risk no longer being worth the reward for the P5s.

If they beat us, cool, they were supposed to. If they lose to us then the entire national media is criticizing them saying it should have never happened.

No one must be paying attention to the WKU fans on here. We suck, dropping at least 2 more games. Finish 7-6 with a 45 point bowl win is how Helton rolls...

Best thing G5 football has going is the competitiveness of the leagues. Several schools are in the hunt and it is not always the same ones every year.

Who knows what's gonna happen this weekend. Perhaps there will be an upset or two. Look at the pros, who would have thought that a 1-7 Arizona Cardinals would take the Cowboys to the woodshed. The 'boys were totally embarrassed in that one. It was kind of a revenge for the way they handled the Vikings? in their first game.

The same thing can happen between Enemas U. vs Western and the Miners against Empty U. like what they did last season against Boise. Who was expecting that outcome? Apparently no one in Boise, so much so that the coach was fired immediately after that game. I would advice those eastern teams to not take this two misfits lightly, who knows what the result will be. I'll be watching every game by recording them. It'll be exciting for sure.

I'm more a fan of Pavia than Enemas U.. Too bad he's with those cowpaddy pushers.

Technically, several schools still have a chance at the CCG. I don't think LaTech, UTEP and MTSU are out of it yet. With 3 or 4 games to go for a few teams, anything can happen.

(11-01-2023 11:43 AM)SparkysBurner69 Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 08:12 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  The first CFP rankings came out yesterday. The last sentence in the ESPN article had this to say:

"As for the other undefeated team that is eligible for the postseason, Air Force (8-0) came in ranked at No. 25. But the Falcons are not the top-ranked Group of 5 school. Despite a loss, Tulane (7-1) is just ahead of Air Force, at No. 24."

Zero mention of Liberty being undefeated. Or maybe they think they aren't eligible?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...p-rankings

We havent played anybody, our schedule is against the Deaf and Blind University every week. Until we can bulk up our OOC schedule this will be the case year in and year out. I think it was wise of us to join a conference and unfortunately the SBC kept denying us, so we had to take what we could get, that being said, we knew SOS was going to be the issue and that is a glaring black eye for us right now. This year we were supposed to play ECU, UNC, and I believe Wake Forest but we lost those games due to conference scheduling and the risk no longer being worth the reward for the P5s.

If they beat us, cool, they were supposed to. If they lose to us then the entire national media is criticizing them saying it should have never happened.

Sparky, you may want to read a lot of the older posts to get caught up. Much of the comments have been made several times. It's clear that LU has to create the schedule it did moving to CUSA. Welcome to the board.

(11-01-2023 10:16 AM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 09:52 AM)whupemall Wrote:  If it's not Liberty vs. Jax State, we're going to sue! I've already written my congressman.

Only kidding.

In all seriousness, I'm not sure who's going to come out on top between WKU and NMSU. WKU has the talent, but has had trouble putting it together this year. NMSU has looked very impressive at times this season, while at other times, it seems they haven't quite finished rounding the corner.

Basically, it's two enigmas. Since Jax State doesn't play NMSU until the final week, it's hard for me to judge which is the better team.

At this point, though, I'm leaning Aggies. They've been slightly better on offense and a good deal better on scoring defense.

That said, I'm not sure either team can topple the Flames this year. K Salt's legit.

Jax State is clearly the second best team in the league. Can anyone explain to me why a FBS newby can't be immediately eligible for a title or bowl game?
I realize there's a rule in place but trying to understand the reasoning. Seems ridiculous to me. JMU deserved a decent bowl last year, too.

I can answer this. Because the NCAA is stupid. That’s what it boils down to. Nobody in the country thinks it’s a good rule. No one thinks it’s a fair or logical rule. It’s just plain stupid and BS that a team like Jax St doesn’t get to represent CUSA in a bowl game.

There is nothing preventing us (or Sam or JMU) under NCAA rules from being a conference champion or playing in the CCG. But I certainly understand a conference not wanting to have a champion not play in a bowl game.

I think JSU (as well as JMU) will go bowling this year in spite of the rule … I read that expectations are there will be insufficient 6-win teams to fill out all the bowl slots. If so, then JMU and JSU take precedence over 5-7 teams to fill out the available slots. Note: if there is only one non 6-win slot available it would go to JMU based on RPI (or NET or whatever criteria they use). Also notice I used the phrase 6-win teams… a 6-7 team would take precedence over JMU and JSU if there is only one team needed to fill all the bowl games. However, I think there will only be 81 6-win or better teams and there are 42 bowls requiring teams (the 43rd bowl is the National Championship game).

(11-01-2023 06:07 PM)Frenchinflorida Wrote:  I think JSU (as well as JMU) will go bowling this year in spite of the rule … I read that expectations are there will be insufficient 6-win teams to fill out all the bowl slots. If so, then JMU and JSU take precedence over 5-7 teams to fill out the available slots. Note: if there is only one non 6-win slot available it would go to JMU based on RPI (or NET or whatever criteria they use). Also notice I used the phrase 6-win teams… a 6-7 team would take precedence over JMU and JSU if there is only one team needed to fill all the bowl games. However, I think there will only be 81 6-win or better teams and there are 42 bowls requiring teams (the 43rd bowl is the National Championship game).

Point of fact: A 6-7 team would actually be on the same tier as JMU and JSU. If only one slot remained, it would be up to the bowl game's committee to decide whether to invite the team with the "losing" record or one of the FCS transitional teams.

Moreover, a rule change a little over a decade ago prevents the NCAA from requiring a bowl to invite a higher ranked team over one that would potentially draw a bigger crowd. This means JMU does not (necessarily) have the edge over JSU merely because of their ranking.

For example...

Let's say NMSU finishes 6-7, JMU finishes 12-0 and ranked #20, and Jax State finishes 10-2, including a stunning 90-0 blowout win over South Carolina. (Shhh... it's my dream.)

Only one bowl has an opening, and it's located out west. NMSU would probably get the bid, since they have more of an alumni presence out there.

If instead that bowl is in the midwest, northeast, or almost anywhere along the Atlantic coast, JMU would almost certainly get the invitation instead. They'd bring the prestige of being ranked along with the promise of a big crowd.

Finally, if the bowl is located somewhere on or near the Gulf coast, there's a chance they could invite Jax State instead (with the important caveat that the farther away from Jacksonville you go, the more heavily they'll weigh JMU's ranking).

At the end of the day, bowls are all about making money. If a bowl committee feels they can make more money with an unranked 2nd year transitional team like JSU than an established FBS team like NMSU or a ranked transitional team like JMU, then they'll make a decision based entirely on that, and far be it for the NCAA to stand between a bowl game and their money.

(11-01-2023 01:26 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 11:43 AM)SparkysBurner69 Wrote:  

(11-01-2023 08:12 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  The first CFP rankings came out yesterday. The last sentence in the ESPN article had this to say:

"As for the other undefeated team that is eligible for the postseason, Air Force (8-0) came in ranked at No. 25. But the Falcons are not the top-ranked Group of 5 school. Despite a loss, Tulane (7-1) is just ahead of Air Force, at No. 24."

Zero mention of Liberty being undefeated. Or maybe they think they aren't eligible?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...p-rankings

We havent played anybody, our schedule is against the Deaf and Blind University every week. Until we can bulk up our OOC schedule this will be the case year in and year out. I think it was wise of us to join a conference and unfortunately the SBC kept denying us, so we had to take what we could get, that being said, we knew SOS was going to be the issue and that is a glaring black eye for us right now. This year we were supposed to play ECU, UNC, and I believe Wake Forest but we lost those games due to conference scheduling and the risk no longer being worth the reward for the P5s.

If they beat us, cool, they were supposed to. If they lose to us then the entire national media is criticizing them saying it should have never happened.

Sparky, you may want to read a lot of the older posts to get caught up. Much of the comments have been made several times. It's clear that LU has to create the schedule it did moving to CUSA. Welcome to the board.

I apprecitate the welcome! I wasnt sure if I was ever going to be able to reply, I created an account back in September and finally got accepted last week. It is definitely a much more knowledgable group in here compared to facebook groups I am in. Looking forward to continuing the CUSA conversation for all sports not just football. One more week and we get some basketball back!