https://twitter.com/Shane_DNRSports/stat...6244526151

If JMU is sitting at 10-0 or 11-0 and is looking to finish undefeated I would hope all Sun Belt schools and the league petition the NCAA to allow JMU to be eligible for post season play considering what is at stake. A 12-0 JMU that is able to play in the SBC Championship with potential Access Bowl ramifications deserves it in my opinion. What’s different between JMU and the other second year transitional schools is JMU chose to play a FBS schedule last year in their first year of transition where the others played FCS. JMU was at FBS scholarship limits thanks to COVID. I say let them play. But we also know the NCAA doesn’t really have the best interest of student athletes in mind.

I would make it a Friday evening game, but other than that, I wouldn't be opposed of this.

The fact the NCAA has any say in bowls is kind of funny.

Stupid rule

I'm all for penalizing FCS callups but this seems extreme. Plus it's not like they gamed the system like Ga State, S Alabama, and Charlotte. Instead, they excelled in FCS and had nothing left to prove.

What does the Sunbelt have to lose by letting them, potentially, play on the CCG?

(10-18-2023 06:30 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

I would make it a Friday evening game, but other than that, I wouldn't be opposed of this.

Unfortunately (as with Alabama way back when) Hawaii needs to be the opponent to get the Hawaii exemption.


Edit: actually here is the more familiar football one. Not sure what "under the sponsorship of" means. Hawaii can ask for a cut?

(10-18-2023 07:33 PM)solohawks Wrote:  What does the Sunbelt have to lose by letting them, potentially, play on the CCG?

They can't by NCAA rules. The conference championship games are just like the bowls, games exempt from the normal 12 limit. The NCAA hasn't exempted them, thus they can't play a 13th game.

It is similar with bowl bans. That bumbed me out in Meyer's first year. I understood no bowl, but the conference championship had always been a regular season thing until the year before. Not chance to win won sucked when I didn't even think if it as postseason.

This isn't the same scenario, but it reminds me of 1992, when Nevada won the Big West with just five I-A wins. The NCAA let them play in the Las Vegas Bowl anyway. https://www.deseret.com/1992/11/24/19018...vegas-bowl

(10-18-2023 07:33 PM)Crayton Wrote:  ... Edit: actually here is the more familiar football one. Not sure what "under the sponsorship of" means. Hawaii can ask for a cut?

Code:

(k) Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico. [FBS/FCS]
Any football games played in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico,respectively, either against or under the sponsorship of an active member institution located in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico, by a Division I member institution located outside the area in question.

Think of a four team basketball, two games each "tournament" ... two visitors play Hawaii only once, one visitor doesn't actually play Hawaii.

But by the letter of the law, if Hawaii sponsors the game ... it seems like it qualifies. It has to fall in the regular season window, so Friday before Army/Navy seems like it would fit.

The transition rule is dumb, if someone wins more than 6 games in each of their first 2 seasons at a higher level, they've already shown they can compete at the level, why punish them for being good?

Why do schools agree to such rules?

(10-18-2023 07:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  The fact the NCAA has any say in bowls is kind of funny.

Well, did some random suits in the NCAA offices make those rules or were they the idea of FBS conferences?

(10-18-2023 07:27 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  I'm all for penalizing FCS callups but this seems extreme. Plus it's not like they gamed the system like Ga State, S Alabama, and Charlotte. Instead, they excelled in FCS and had nothing left to prove.

Just curious, why are you “all for“ penalizing schools? It should be 100% merit based, and if they are terrible, that is their punishment. But they are being punished for being good. And I’m just curious as to why you support that.

(10-18-2023 09:36 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  The transition rule is dumb, if someone wins more than 6 games in each of their first 2 seasons at a higher level, they've already shown they can compete at the level, why punish them for being good?

Why do schools agree to such rules?

I think the worry (whether it’s valid or not) is that the NCAA doesn’t want schools moving up and down year-to-year based on talent levels (e.g. you get a talent-laden roster and move up to FBS, but then move back down to FCS when the seniors graduate). The transition period prevents that from happening.

JMU does get a spot ahead of a 5-7 team. This is their second year, and it is in the bylaws that a team like JMU can.

(10-18-2023 10:54 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 09:36 PM)Glenn360 Wrote:  The transition rule is dumb, if someone wins more than 6 games in each of their first 2 seasons at a higher level, they've already shown they can compete at the level, why punish them for being good?

Why do schools agree to such rules?

I think the worry (whether it’s valid or not) is that the NCAA doesn’t want schools moving up and down year-to-year based on talent levels (e.g. you get a talent-laden roster and move up to FBS, but then move back down to FCS when the seniors graduate). The transition period prevents that from happening.

So does the conference invite rule

Shane Mettlen's article in the Harrisonburg (Va.) Daily News-Record:

https://www.dnronline.com/sun_belt_extra...y's_sports

(10-18-2023 09:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 07:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  The fact the NCAA has any say in bowls is kind of funny.

Well, did some random suits in the NCAA offices make those rules or were they the idea of FBS conferences?

Not sure. Bowls were traditionally separate and functioned independently from the NCAA. They were exhibition games essentially, and they're functioning that way now more than ever with players sitting out.

So… 12-0 JMU vs 13-0 Liberty in Hawaii in December for THE REAL national championship?!