(10-14-2023 09:52 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Ga Southern is a good team, but about 14 points worse than JMU and not near the top of the Sun Belt. The 3 turnovers snowballed the deficit today.

I don't know about that. Georgia Southern, Georgia State, App State, and Coastal can all beat up on each other. I think all of them could also beat JMU too on any given day. Even ODU will surprise some teams from the east. The SBC East is a beast.

(10-14-2023 07:36 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Our fans really worked themselves into a shoot about this game in the last 2 weeks, but the things that happened today in no way surprised me.

Lot of symptoms showing up today that we've had since Helton took over, JMU just made us pay for every single bit of them.

Also, not that it had much affect on the game, but this ref crew is absolutely god awful.

^ agreed, not great...I just learned nothing about your school, program, or Helton after today - kind of strange as the aren't our homers

(10-14-2023 04:15 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 03:47 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 01:44 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 01:42 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 01:40 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  This score blows my mind

We didn’t even play good how was our score 16-14?

You didn’t play good because you played us.

Always cracks me up that the losing team always thinks they play bad and doesn’t recognize the opponents strength

We didn’t “look” as good that game either, because you are better than GS

Ok lol. You guys claim you didn’t play well either. Either way with us both apparently not playing well it could have gone either way.

Yeah, but it didn’t, and JMU never trailed against Troy. Oh, and Troy had the home-field advantage. Time to stop with the “coulda-shoulda-wouldas” and give credit where credit is due.

Too bad the SBC won’t let JMU play for the conference championship where a possible rematch against Troy might take place, but this time on JMU’s turf. That would be a heck of a game.

Last year Troy’s HC was recognized as the SBC COY. Is there any question who deserves the award this season?

Cignetti will be departing for greener grass deservedly so. He's managed to put together a solid program. If this season and particularly today doesn't have his phone blowing up something ain't right.

All the other SBC programs are hoping Cig departs, but it’s not likely to happen.

(10-14-2023 05:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I was in my local billiards hall when the JMU game was finishing up. I looked up from the table just in time to see Cig's postgame interview. I then misplayed what would have been a winning shot on the 8-ball. That man is a menace and he must be stopped

Best HC in the SBC. Perhaps other schools can take up a collection and try to convince him to retire.

Cig is on record that he wants to coach another 10 years. He’s also demonstrably irritated about “bowl” talk. Cig says the goal at JMU is the NY6 game, and that only continued winning will help bring about a rational decision by the forces that be (the NCAA) at season’s end.

Never say never. Perhaps Saban finally retires at Alabama and Cig is offered the job at $10 mil per year guaranteed for 5 years. That’d get Cig’s attention. Other than that, Cig isn’t going to jump to another G5, nor is he going to take on a low-level rebuild job at a P5 (like Michigan St., or even Virginia). The man likes to win, and he’s got a legendary path ahead of him at JMU. Like father like son, Cig wants to etch his name in the record books.

Cig's age could definitely work in our favor, then there are other personality factors that you could certainly argue one way or the other. To me, he's always seemed like a very ambitious and competitive guy(even for a D1 football coach!) so I could see that as reason to want to keep climbing the ladder and go on to win P4 titles and an FBS national championship.

I could also see that as reason to want to keep building at JMU though as a program that's made the jump and now has the ability to keep climbing rather than already being a top 2 FCS program with nowhere to go but down. Maybe that kind of thing truly is appealing to him and means more than the potential pay raise.

You just never know for sure when a guy truly wants to stay where he is even though we all want to believe that's always the case. I just generally assume that any coach will leave sooner or later if they win enough, and I'll just be pleasantly surprised on the rare occasion that isn't the case. When that is the case, hey it happens to everyone. Even P5's that win national championships. Be happy if they left you in a better place than they found you, and hope you nail the next hire too.

(10-15-2023 03:32 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 05:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I was in my local billiards hall when the JMU game was finishing up. I looked up from the table just in time to see Cig's postgame interview. I then misplayed what would have been a winning shot on the 8-ball. That man is a menace and he must be stopped

Best HC in the SBC. Perhaps other schools can take up a collection and try to convince him to retire.

Cig is on record that he wants to coach another 10 years. He’s also demonstrably irritated about “bowl” talk. Cig says the goal at JMU is the NY6 game, and that only continued winning will help bring about a rational decision by the forces that be (the NCAA) at season’s end.

Never say never. Perhaps Saban finally retires at Alabama and Cig is offered the job at $10 mil per year guaranteed for 5 years. That’d get Cig’s attention. Other than that, Cig isn’t going to jump to another G5, nor is he going to take on a low-level rebuild job at a P5 (like Michigan St., or even Virginia). The man likes to win, and he’s got a legendary path ahead of him at JMU. Like father like son, Cig wants to etch his name in the record books.

This seems to be a mental condition that afflicts fans of every team with a stretch of good coaching stability. Fritz left to soon.

Scott Satterfields $3.5 million at Cinci would work.

Neil Browns $4 million at WVU would work.

Half of Napier's $7.1 million salary would get the job done.

Drinkwitz one year performance at App landed $7 million.

This is just the past five years in the Sun Belt.

I personally hope he stays for the good of the conference but like the rest he's gone.

Welcome to the Sun Belt!

JMU hasn’t botched a football hire in a while. Every JMU football coach ever left with a winning record. Rip was good, Alex was the exception but still won, Mickey was good, we withstood Withers and still won, Houston was good, and now Cig.

We’ve had the least success with men’s hoops in the Big 2 revenue sports, but Byington is fine. He’s winning.

(10-15-2023 10:12 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 03:32 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 05:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I was in my local billiards hall when the JMU game was finishing up. I looked up from the table just in time to see Cig's postgame interview. I then misplayed what would have been a winning shot on the 8-ball. That man is a menace and he must be stopped

Best HC in the SBC. Perhaps other schools can take up a collection and try to convince him to retire.

Cig is on record that he wants to coach another 10 years. He’s also demonstrably irritated about “bowl” talk. Cig says the goal at JMU is the NY6 game, and that only continued winning will help bring about a rational decision by the forces that be (the NCAA) at season’s end.

Never say never. Perhaps Saban finally retires at Alabama and Cig is offered the job at $10 mil per year guaranteed for 5 years. That’d get Cig’s attention. Other than that, Cig isn’t going to jump to another G5, nor is he going to take on a low-level rebuild job at a P5 (like Michigan St., or even Virginia). The man likes to win, and he’s got a legendary path ahead of him at JMU. Like father like son, Cig wants to etch his name in the record books.

This seems to be a mental condition that afflicts fans of every team with a stretch of good coaching stability. Fritz left to soon.

Scott Satterfields $3.5 million at Cinci would work.

Neil Browns $4 million at WVU would work.

Half of Napier's $7.1 million salary would get the job done.

Drinkwitz one year performance at App landed $7 million.

This is just the past five years in the Sun Belt.

I personally hope he stays for the good of the conference but like the rest he's gone.

Welcome to the Sun Belt!

I hate to say it but I will, this is the FCS call up mindset still existing in the fan base. It was raging in CUSA. You guys are in big boy football now. We simply don’t keep good coaches. It’s as simple as that. If offered generational wealth your coach WILL leave. After all, it’s a job, not a marriage.

(10-15-2023 10:23 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 10:12 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 03:32 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 05:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I was in my local billiards hall when the JMU game was finishing up. I looked up from the table just in time to see Cig's postgame interview. I then misplayed what would have been a winning shot on the 8-ball. That man is a menace and he must be stopped

Best HC in the SBC. Perhaps other schools can take up a collection and try to convince him to retire.

Cig is on record that he wants to coach another 10 years. He’s also demonstrably irritated about “bowl” talk. Cig says the goal at JMU is the NY6 game, and that only continued winning will help bring about a rational decision by the forces that be (the NCAA) at season’s end.

Never say never. Perhaps Saban finally retires at Alabama and Cig is offered the job at $10 mil per year guaranteed for 5 years. That’d get Cig’s attention. Other than that, Cig isn’t going to jump to another G5, nor is he going to take on a low-level rebuild job at a P5 (like Michigan St., or even Virginia). The man likes to win, and he’s got a legendary path ahead of him at JMU. Like father like son, Cig wants to etch his name in the record books.

This seems to be a mental condition that afflicts fans of every team with a stretch of good coaching stability. Fritz left to soon.

Scott Satterfields $3.5 million at Cinci would work.

Neil Browns $4 million at WVU would work.

Half of Napier's $7.1 million salary would get the job done.

Drinkwitz one year performance at App landed $7 million.

This is just the past five years in the Sun Belt.

I personally hope he stays for the good of the conference but like the rest he's gone.

Welcome to the Sun Belt!

I hate to say it but I will, this is the FCS call up mindset still existing in the fan base. It was raging in CUSA. You guys are in big boy football now. We simply don’t keep good coaches. It’s as simple as that. If offered generational wealth your coach WILL leave. After all, it’s a job, not a really really good marriage.

FIFY.

As I have said before coaches are hired guns. They are loyal as far as the next paycheck. Its why I never care when one gets fired because they will leave you as quick as they can. We fans are loyal to our teams so hearing the rah rah talk from coaches we think they are to. They aren't.

(10-15-2023 10:13 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  JMU hasn’t botched a football hire in a while. Every JMU football coach ever left with a winning record. Rip was good, Alex was the exception but still won, Mickey was good, we withstood Withers and still won, Houston was good, and now Cig.

We’ve had the least success with men’s hoops in the Big 2 revenue sports, but Byington is fine. He’s winning.

I also think it would be harder to tell in FCS. JMU had so much wiggle room in CAA it made no sense. ECU taking Houston off your hands looks to be a blessing in disguise by the time you got to FBS. I think it's pretty clear that Cig was the perfect guy for FBS transition. Things could've very well been a little more rocky with Houston. It's the little things like that.

(10-15-2023 12:01 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 10:13 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  JMU hasn’t botched a football hire in a while. Every JMU football coach ever left with a winning record. Rip was good, Alex was the exception but still won, Mickey was good, we withstood Withers and still won, Houston was good, and now Cig.

We’ve had the least success with men’s hoops in the Big 2 revenue sports, but Byington is fine. He’s winning.

I also think it would be harder to tell in FCS. JMU had so much wiggle room in CAA it made no sense. ECU taking Houston off your hands looks to be a blessing in disguise by the time you got to FBS. I think it's pretty clear that Cig was the perfect guy for FBS transition. Things could've very well been a little more rocky with Houston. It's the little things like that.

Mike Houston and Cig were definitely good hires. back to back. Withers was not a good hire and how watered down the FCS is covered that up.

(10-15-2023 10:23 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 10:12 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 03:32 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 05:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I was in my local billiards hall when the JMU game was finishing up. I looked up from the table just in time to see Cig's postgame interview. I then misplayed what would have been a winning shot on the 8-ball. That man is a menace and he must be stopped

Best HC in the SBC. Perhaps other schools can take up a collection and try to convince him to retire.

Cig is on record that he wants to coach another 10 years. He’s also demonstrably irritated about “bowl” talk. Cig says the goal at JMU is the NY6 game, and that only continued winning will help bring about a rational decision by the forces that be (the NCAA) at season’s end.

Never say never. Perhaps Saban finally retires at Alabama and Cig is offered the job at $10 mil per year guaranteed for 5 years. That’d get Cig’s attention. Other than that, Cig isn’t going to jump to another G5, nor is he going to take on a low-level rebuild job at a P5 (like Michigan St., or even Virginia). The man likes to win, and he’s got a legendary path ahead of him at JMU. Like father like son, Cig wants to etch his name in the record books.

This seems to be a mental condition that afflicts fans of every team with a stretch of good coaching stability. Fritz left to soon.

Scott Satterfields $3.5 million at Cinci would work.

Neil Browns $4 million at WVU would work.

Half of Napier's $7.1 million salary would get the job done.

Drinkwitz one year performance at App landed $7 million.

This is just the past five years in the Sun Belt.

I personally hope he stays for the good of the conference but like the rest he's gone.

Welcome to the Sun Belt!

I hate to say it but I will, this is the FCS call up mindset still existing in the fan base. It was raging in CUSA. You guys are in big boy football now. We simply don’t keep good coaches. It’s as simple as that. If offered generational wealth your coach WILL leave. After all, it’s a job, not a marriage.

Nah it's no different there. We just had one of those rare cases with Mickey where he wanted to stay here forever. Took the South Alabama job for like a day then changed his mind. Once we let him go we had Withers for a few years and he left for TXST, then Houston for a few years before he left for ECU. After Cignetti's first few years he got the promotion to a G5 program/salary without actually going anywhere. We'll see what happens after two or three years at FBS JMU.

It's just regular old "this guy is different!" delusion, not FCS mentality.

(10-15-2023 12:29 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 12:01 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 10:13 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  JMU hasn’t botched a football hire in a while. Every JMU football coach ever left with a winning record. Rip was good, Alex was the exception but still won, Mickey was good, we withstood Withers and still won, Houston was good, and now Cig.

We’ve had the least success with men’s hoops in the Big 2 revenue sports, but Byington is fine. He’s winning.

I also think it would be harder to tell in FCS. JMU had so much wiggle room in CAA it made no sense. ECU taking Houston off your hands looks to be a blessing in disguise by the time you got to FBS. I think it's pretty clear that Cig was the perfect guy for FBS transition. Things could've very well been a little more rocky with Houston. It's the little things like that.

Mike Houston and Cig were definitely good hires. back to back. Withers was not a good hire and how watered down the FCS is covered that up.

Houston was a pretty good FCS coach. Not sure about FBS. I think ECU should've been a lot better by now if he was good. I think JMU actually benefitted with him being hired away prior to the FBS move.

(10-15-2023 10:12 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 03:32 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 05:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I was in my local billiards hall when the JMU game was finishing up. I looked up from the table just in time to see Cig's postgame interview. I then misplayed what would have been a winning shot on the 8-ball. That man is a menace and he must be stopped

Best HC in the SBC. Perhaps other schools can take up a collection and try to convince him to retire.

Cig is on record that he wants to coach another 10 years. He’s also demonstrably irritated about “bowl” talk. Cig says the goal at JMU is the NY6 game, and that only continued winning will help bring about a rational decision by the forces that be (the NCAA) at season’s end.

Never say never. Perhaps Saban finally retires at Alabama and Cig is offered the job at $10 mil per year guaranteed for 5 years. That’d get Cig’s attention. Other than that, Cig isn’t going to jump to another G5, nor is he going to take on a low-level rebuild job at a P5 (like Michigan St., or even Virginia). The man likes to win, and he’s got a legendary path ahead of him at JMU. Like father like son, Cig wants to etch his name in the record books.

This seems to be a mental condition that afflicts fans of every team with a stretch of good coaching stability. Fritz left to soon.

Scott Satterfields $3.5 million at Cinci would work.

Neil Browns $4 million at WVU would work.

Half of Napier's $7.1 million salary would get the job done.

Drinkwitz one year performance at App landed $7 million.

This is just the past five years in the Sun Belt.

I personally hope he stays for the good of the conference but like the rest he's gone.

Welcome to the Sun Belt!

None of the coaches you mention were 63 at the time they jumped at the money. That’s probably the biggest reason Cig stays. Needy P5s (or P4s) tend to want that up-and-coming 40-something.

(10-15-2023 12:40 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 12:29 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 12:01 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 10:13 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  JMU hasn’t botched a football hire in a while. Every JMU football coach ever left with a winning record. Rip was good, Alex was the exception but still won, Mickey was good, we withstood Withers and still won, Houston was good, and now Cig.

We’ve had the least success with men’s hoops in the Big 2 revenue sports, but Byington is fine. He’s winning.

I also think it would be harder to tell in FCS. JMU had so much wiggle room in CAA it made no sense. ECU taking Houston off your hands looks to be a blessing in disguise by the time you got to FBS. I think it's pretty clear that Cig was the perfect guy for FBS transition. Things could've very well been a little more rocky with Houston. It's the little things like that.

Mike Houston and Cig were definitely good hires. back to back. Withers was not a good hire and how watered down the FCS is covered that up.

Houston was a pretty good FCS coach. Not sure about FBS. I think ECU should've been a lot better by now if he was good. I think JMU actually benefitted with him being hired away prior to the FBS move.

Houston is a solid coach. This year ECU has struggled, but the prior two seasons ECU was on the upswing under Houston. It can’t be overlooked how absolutely horrid ECU had become before Houston took over. It’ll be interesting if ECU can rebound during the second half of this season.

I agree that it’s easier to be a borderline coach in FCS than FBS, especially if you can get the transfers. JMU had several high-impact FBS transfers while we were FCS, not the least of which was Ben DiNucci. Talent is often > coaching at the lower levels.

Getting over my depression from the weekend - not so much at the loss but at the complete beatdown. I believe JMU is the better team, but expected the Eagles to put up more of a fight. Congrats to the Dukes and I hope someone finds a way to make you eligible to win the championship and go bowling. You certainly deserve it.

(10-14-2023 07:00 PM)Xeonon Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 04:49 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 04:22 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 04:15 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 03:47 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Yeah, but it didn’t, and JMU never trailed against Troy. Oh, and Troy had the home-field advantage. Time to stop with the “coulda-shoulda-wouldas” and give credit where credit is due.

Too bad the SBC won’t let JMU play for the conference championship where a possible rematch against Troy might take place, but this time on JMU’s turf. That would be a heck of a game.

Last year Troy’s HC was recognized as the SBC COY. Is there any question who deserves the award this season?

Cignetti will be departing for greener grass deservedly so. He's managed to put together a solid program. If this season and particularly today doesn't have his phone blowing up something ain't right.

He could stay if JMU can bump his base. His age is the only factor I see in JMU potentially holding on to him. Similar to Fritz at Tulane. Either way JMU is going to have to give him a significant raise.

Yea no that's not a thing. Assuming he's interested in making 3-4 $million a year and paying his OC and DC more than he currently makes. He could easily run another 10 years.

I think it’s safer to say you wish Cignetti would leave JMU. There’s been zero indication he wants to leave and I almost guarantee you his salary will boost 20-35% very very soon.

Every year there is a team that says their coach is a lifer and bleeds (insert color here)....and every year coaches leave for HUGE pay raises. I'm not saying he's gone, but it's very naïve to think that he wouldn't leave if someone tripled his salary.

(10-15-2023 02:54 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 10:12 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(10-15-2023 03:32 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-14-2023 05:40 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I was in my local billiards hall when the JMU game was finishing up. I looked up from the table just in time to see Cig's postgame interview. I then misplayed what would have been a winning shot on the 8-ball. That man is a menace and he must be stopped

Best HC in the SBC. Perhaps other schools can take up a collection and try to convince him to retire.

Cig is on record that he wants to coach another 10 years. He’s also demonstrably irritated about “bowl” talk. Cig says the goal at JMU is the NY6 game, and that only continued winning will help bring about a rational decision by the forces that be (the NCAA) at season’s end.

Never say never. Perhaps Saban finally retires at Alabama and Cig is offered the job at $10 mil per year guaranteed for 5 years. That’d get Cig’s attention. Other than that, Cig isn’t going to jump to another G5, nor is he going to take on a low-level rebuild job at a P5 (like Michigan St., or even Virginia). The man likes to win, and he’s got a legendary path ahead of him at JMU. Like father like son, Cig wants to etch his name in the record books.

This seems to be a mental condition that afflicts fans of every team with a stretch of good coaching stability. Fritz left to soon.

Scott Satterfields $3.5 million at Cinci would work.

Neil Browns $4 million at WVU would work.

Half of Napier's $7.1 million salary would get the job done.

Drinkwitz one year performance at App landed $7 million.

This is just the past five years in the Sun Belt.

I personally hope he stays for the good of the conference but like the rest he's gone.

Welcome to the Sun Belt!

None of the coaches you mention were 63 at the time they jumped at the money. That’s probably the biggest reason Cig stays. Needy P5s (or P4s) tend to want that up-and-coming 40-something.

Congrats to JMU that was an butt whooping.

On the coaching we have had this same thread about 10 times before y'all got here. I will say it for the 1000th time all but the perpetual bottom feeder P5's will take your coach if they want him. Also plenty of P5 coaches at or over the age of 62 at the start of the year, that is upper half for sure but not crazy. We are not talking about a difference of a few hundred thousand most P5's even the bad ones can pay 1M more than you can min. You are not turning that down and or an opportunity to coach a P5 team. I could just copy and paste this response from a few threads. JMU is not any coach's final destination hopes.