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(10-03-2023 10:35 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  They discussed Dilfer's meltdown on First Take this morning apparently.

Yes, I like the passion. Yes it was an idiotic mistake. Yes he lost his cool. Yes it was a bad look. No I don't condone it when other coaches do it. Yes I do think a lot of folks on here are sugarcoating it - it looked bad on him and it looked bad on UAB.

disagree with you ,,,,a lot of people ( # OF HEAD SET ) drop the ball expecting the other person to fix it but the one on charge got the blame ,,,,it didn't look bad ..IT SHOW that he cannot tolerate bone head mistake ..newspaper or talking head want him to fail but he wont because he care ,,,he APOLOZIGE because we are in 2023 and he is not Saban

It just blows my mind that some of you think this is "a bad look." WTF has happened when a football coach blowing a gasket makes everyone clutch their pearls and break out the smelling salts? I mean, this is a sport predicated on physical violence- no matter how genteel and sanitized we try to make it. At it's base, football is about subjecting others to very aggressive physical contact. And somehow a head coach verbally unloading on someone responsible for a stupid mistake is just beyond the pale, not fit for polite society. I'm not that old, but maybe I am that old fashioned. Maybe it's just that what I do on a day to day basis is naturally adversarial, but it seems to me that we (or society, or whatever you want to call it) have gotten so averse to conflict that when we see something like a screaming football coach we're shocked and/or offended by it. And I don't think that's a good thing.

Do we club Dilfer like a baby seal now or after the USF game? Asking for a friend that left BlazerTalk and said he was never coming back. ;-)

(10-03-2023 11:27 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  It just blows my mind that some of you think this is "a bad look." WTF has happened when a football coach blowing a gasket makes everyone clutch their pearls and break out the smelling salts? I mean, this is a sport predicated on physical violence- no matter how genteel and sanitized we try to make it. At it's base, football is about subjecting others to very aggressive physical contact. And somehow a head coach verbally unloading on someone responsible for a stupid mistake is just beyond the pale, not fit for polite society. I'm not that old, but maybe I am that old fashioned. Maybe it's just that what I do on a day to day basis is naturally adversarial, but it seems to me that we (or society, or whatever you want to call it) have gotten so averse to conflict that when we see something like a screaming football coach we're shocked and/or offended by it. And I don't think that's a good thing.

it is deeper issue ,,,,

(10-03-2023 11:27 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  It just blows my mind that some of you think this is "a bad look." WTF has happened when a football coach blowing a gasket makes everyone clutch their pearls and break out the smelling salts? I mean, this is a sport predicated on physical violence- no matter how genteel and sanitized we try to make it. At it's base, football is about subjecting others to very aggressive physical contact. And somehow a head coach verbally unloading on someone responsible for a stupid mistake is just beyond the pale, not fit for polite society. I'm not that old, but maybe I am that old fashioned. Maybe it's just that what I do on a day to day basis is naturally adversarial, but it seems to me that we (or society, or whatever you want to call it) have gotten so averse to conflict that when we see something like a screaming football coach we're shocked and/or offended by it. And I don't think that's a good thing.

I remember football in the last century: screaming coaches, quarter-circles, Oklahomas, running stadiums and "water is weakness." I played for a man who would later be institutionalized. My brother played for Owen Butts at Shades Valley, the man who invented the word "****."

DrunkenBear has been dead for four decades. Forty years. This is no longer 1983.

Dilfer has acknowledged he went over the line, and as someone noted, he did not cross the true red line of physical contact.

Football does not exist in some special fantasy land apart from the rest of reality. In that reality, when you as chief lose confidence in the ability of a subordinate to do his or her job, then he or she has to go. Fired outright or demoted. What you do not do, in any situation, is leave them in place until "after the season" with an ass-chewing followed by a pat on the head. You do not leave an unfit platoon leader in combat. You do not leave an unfit store manager at a McDonald's. You do not leave an unfit prosecutor in the courtroom.

Kenneth Gilstrap appears, to me at a distance, to be unfit for his responsibilities. That was unacceptable performance, and Dilfer was right to be upset (though not to lose control). If it's worth a tirade, then it's worth a firing/demotion.

Accountability means consequences. I'm not arguing that Dilfer was too harsh. I'm saying that he was, in my opinion, not harsh enough. It's his program, and he can handle the situation as he sees fit, but it is not the decision I would recommend.

First Take thought this was him

(10-03-2023 11:58 AM)58-56 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 11:27 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  It just blows my mind that some of you think this is "a bad look." WTF has happened when a football coach blowing a gasket makes everyone clutch their pearls and break out the smelling salts? I mean, this is a sport predicated on physical violence- no matter how genteel and sanitized we try to make it. At it's base, football is about subjecting others to very aggressive physical contact. And somehow a head coach verbally unloading on someone responsible for a stupid mistake is just beyond the pale, not fit for polite society. I'm not that old, but maybe I am that old fashioned. Maybe it's just that what I do on a day to day basis is naturally adversarial, but it seems to me that we (or society, or whatever you want to call it) have gotten so averse to conflict that when we see something like a screaming football coach we're shocked and/or offended by it. And I don't think that's a good thing.

I remember football in the last century: screaming coaches, quarter-circles, Oklahomas, running stadiums and "water is weakness." I played for a man who would later be institutionalized. My brother played for Owen Butts at Shades Valley, the man who invented the word "****."

DrunkenBear has been dead for four decades. Forty years. This is no longer 1983.

Dilfer has acknowledged he went over the line, and as someone noted, he did not cross the true red line of physical contact.

Football does not exist in some special fantasy land apart from the rest of reality. In that reality, when you as chief lose confidence in the ability of a subordinate to do his or her job, then he or she has to go. Fired outright or demoted. What you do not do, in any situation, is leave them in place until "after the season" with an ass-chewing followed by a pat on the head. You do not leave an unfit platoon leader in combat. You do not leave an unfit store manager at a McDonald's. You do not leave an unfit prosecutor in the courtroom.

Kenneth Gilstrap appears, to me at a distance, to be unfit for his responsibilities. That was unacceptable performance, and Dilfer was right to be upset (though not to lose control). If it's worth a tirade, then it's worth a firing/demotion.

Accountability means consequences. I'm not arguing that Dilfer was too harsh. I'm saying that he was, in my opinion, not harsh enough. It's his program, and he can handle the situation as he sees fit, but it is not the decision I would recommend.

I think the main thing that irritates me is the same week people are criticizing Dilfer, they are praising Saban for finally yelling on the sidelines again. Yes Dilfer was way worse than what Saban was doing this past weekend, but still it's the hypocrisy.

Also Gilstrap was barking back at Dilfer just as much - yes they are both adult men and he was probably upset he was getting yelled at, but he also had 13 players (not 12, it was the 12th player leaving the field before the snap) on the field and that is his responsibility. Seems like there was miscommunication among 22 or more headsets but Special Teams is his responsibility. Notice after he finished yelling at Gilstrap he starting yelling at Sione and Sione just stood there not

Yes Dilfer went ballistic and was more intense than we seen other coaches this season, but let's wait and see what happens if Saban barks at his new OC or any other assistant coach like he has before.


Anyways, on to USF.

(10-03-2023 12:36 PM)blazerblazer Wrote:  Yes Dilfer went ballistic and was more intense than we seen other coaches this season, but let's wait and see what happens if Saban barks at his new OC or any other assistant coach like he has before.

I've seen this invoked multiple times in this thread and don't understand. I know that the Sabanic One still coaches at UAT and makes AFLAC commercials. It offends me, deeply and personally, that UAT is allowed to play football at all. I could not name a single player there or tell you their record. I don't want to see them lose. I want to see their program disbanded and their players walking out of the meeting one by one, dejected, their NIL money lost and their Waterfall run dry.

I want UAT to hire Ray Watts. That's how much I hate them.

Surely we have one of these, right?

https://store.nexternal.com/gilmangear/s...-p641.aspx

As many have mentioned before, we may not be to the same level talent-wise...YET. But it's so refreshing to not see more 15 yard-penalties than first downs in a half.

(10-03-2023 11:27 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  It just blows my mind that some of you think this is "a bad look." WTF has happened when a football coach blowing a gasket makes everyone clutch their pearls and break out the smelling salts? I mean, this is a sport predicated on physical violence- no matter how genteel and sanitized we try to make it. At it's base, football is about subjecting others to very aggressive physical contact. And somehow a head coach verbally unloading on someone responsible for a stupid mistake is just beyond the pale, not fit for polite society. I'm not that old, but maybe I am that old fashioned. Maybe it's just that what I do on a day to day basis is naturally adversarial, but it seems to me that we (or society, or whatever you want to call it) have gotten so averse to conflict that when we see something like a screaming football coach we're shocked and/or offended by it. And I don't think that's a good thing.

Man, this is so spot on. Well said, Bates. I've been amused by the outrage over this. I can't help but think that this is coming from the Vincent loyalists who didn't want Dilfer to begin with or those who've never been up close and personal to the physicality of football. I can assure you no one's feelings were hurt and you'd better have the right frame of mind to expose your body to the controlled violence that is football. The game is not played in a "normal" emotional state and to think that coaches are to politely offer a "I'm disappointed with You" to a boneheaded move is laughable. Guys don't respond to that when they are slamming into each other in a way that would get you arrested in any other situation...... all for an extra yard or two.

(10-03-2023 11:58 AM)58-56 Wrote:  Football does not exist in some special fantasy land apart from the rest of reality. In that reality, when you as chief lose confidence in the ability of a subordinate to do his or her job, then he or she has to go. Fired outright or demoted. What you do not do, in any situation, is leave them in place until "after the season" with an ass-chewing followed by a pat on the head. You do not leave an unfit platoon leader in combat. You do not leave an unfit store manager at a McDonald's. You do not leave an unfit prosecutor in the courtroom.

Kenneth Gilstrap appears, to me at a distance, to be unfit for his responsibilities. That was unacceptable performance, and Dilfer was right to be upset (though not to lose control). If it's worth a tirade, then it's worth a firing/demotion.

Accountability means consequences. I'm not arguing that Dilfer was too harsh. I'm saying that he was, in my opinion, not harsh enough. It's his program, and he can handle the situation as he sees fit, but it is not the decision I would recommend.

I don't think, 5 games into a coaching staff's first season, you can really judge whether a particular coach, or the entire staff, is "unfit." Just like you can't judge a prosecutor from their first few trials, or a McDonald's manager from their first few shifts. I am not going to address whether you can judge a platoon leader from their first few firefights because I have never served in the military, and thus wholly unqualified to make that call. (And although I haven't served, as the the grandson of a Marine with three Purple Hearts and Bronze Star with V for Valor, and someone who has several guys close to me who have served in combat much more recently than the Korean War, I despise comparisons of sport to war, but that's a discussion for another time...) But as a student of history I am qualified to say that George Washington got his teeth kicked in during the Battle of Brooklyn just weeks after the Declaration of Independence. Maybe you would've advocated for him being sh!tcanned in August of 1776, but I think subsequent events bear out that patience can be a virtue. He turned out pretty well as a military leader, amongst other things. People make mistakes- that's the only way we grow. The best lessons I've learned are from screwing up, and then having someone tell me (sometimes pretty aggressively) just how badly I had done so. Which is why I say Dilfer nailed this, and I'm proud to have him coaching my alma mater.

(10-03-2023 06:15 PM)BatesUAB Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 11:58 AM)58-56 Wrote:  Football does not exist in some special fantasy land apart from the rest of reality. In that reality, when you as chief lose confidence in the ability of a subordinate to do his or her job, then he or she has to go. Fired outright or demoted. What you do not do, in any situation, is leave them in place until "after the season" with an ass-chewing followed by a pat on the head. You do not leave an unfit platoon leader in combat. You do not leave an unfit store manager at a McDonald's. You do not leave an unfit prosecutor in the courtroom.

Kenneth Gilstrap appears, to me at a distance, to be unfit for his responsibilities. That was unacceptable performance, and Dilfer was right to be upset (though not to lose control). If it's worth a tirade, then it's worth a firing/demotion.

Accountability means consequences. I'm not arguing that Dilfer was too harsh. I'm saying that he was, in my opinion, not harsh enough. It's his program, and he can handle the situation as he sees fit, but it is not the decision I would recommend.

I don't think, 5 games into a coaching staff's first season, you can really judge whether a particular coach, or the entire staff, is "unfit." Just like you can't judge a prosecutor from their first few trials, or a McDonald's manager from their first few shifts. I am not going to address whether you can judge a platoon leader from their first few firefights because I have never served in the military, and thus wholly unqualified to make that call. (And although I haven't served, as the the grandson of a Marine with three Purple Hearts and Bronze Star with V for Valor, and someone who has several guys close to me who have served in combat much more recently than the Korean War, I despise comparisons of sport to war, but that's a discussion for another time...) But as a student of history I am qualified to say that George Washington got his teeth kicked in during the Battle of Brooklyn just weeks after the Declaration of Independence. Maybe you would've advocated for him being sh!tcanned in August of 1776, but I think subsequent events bear out that patience can be a virtue. He turned out pretty well as a military leader, amongst other things. People make mistakes- that's the only way we grow. The best lessons I've learned are from screwing up, and then having someone tell me (sometimes pretty aggressively) just how badly I had done so. Which is why I say Dilfer nailed this, and I'm proud to have him coaching my alma mater.

I see those points, and they have validity. I watched a prosecutor in his first trial nervously whip out his strike list and rattle off every number, up front, while the defense gleefully jotted them all down. He was not fired for that (and I'd like to write a happy ending here, but he got canned not long after for something totally unrelated to job performance).

Gilstrap is not at his first trial, or flipping his first cheeseburger. He has years of FBS experience and was a (lower-level) DC himself. He committed an egregious error and his areas have not performed well to date. It's up to Dilfer whether he has confidence in him. I've tried the chewing-out-now-do-better approach - and I can really bring it - and regretted it. It's not a universal model for success.

As for George, he also escaped from New York, which was no mean feat, before Congress had a chance to can him. Dilfer has given Gilstrap a chance to do the same; I hope he doesn't regret it.

Trust is like virginity; once broken, it is not easily repaired. I don't agree that Dilfer nailed this, but my confidence in him is not broken and I do agree that I'm glad we have him.

On the flip side, Gilstrap appears to be one of the better recruiters on the staff. I don't think Dilfer was over the line at all. That dumb penalty pretty much killed any chance of tying the game and going into OT. A long shot for sure. The offense is getting a lot of yards vs points to show for it. That has to change too. 400-450 yards and only 21 points is out of kelter.

(10-02-2023 04:16 PM)randy22263 Wrote:  

(10-02-2023 09:49 AM)uabblazer2012 Wrote:  Trent also has a history of losing his cool on the sideline https://nypost.com/2021/08/30/trent-dilf...ral-video/
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2pQ036xnnhk

I have no problem with that. Dilfer didn't hit him, or even shove him. He grabbed the jersey and walked him sternly back to the bench and basically told the kid to sit his ass down. The kid was mouthing off the entire time. Should he as a coach be more in control of his emotions? Probably so. I also didn't think he was about to strike the assistant coach Saturday. He moved toward him to address him face to face. I don't know if the assistant said anything to him or not but too much is being made of it. Again, I'm not saying it's a good look, but Dilfer seems to understand that. Let's move on.

The assistant kept up with some form of "I did!" the entire time. Given the nature of the mistake, snapping back at your boss is not a good idea. Take the L and hand at least the bottom leg to your player.

(10-03-2023 06:45 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 06:15 PM)BatesUAB Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 11:58 AM)58-56 Wrote:  Football does not exist in some special fantasy land apart from the rest of reality. In that reality, when you as chief lose confidence in the ability of a subordinate to do his or her job, then he or she has to go. Fired outright or demoted. What you do not do, in any situation, is leave them in place until "after the season" with an ass-chewing followed by a pat on the head. You do not leave an unfit platoon leader in combat. You do not leave an unfit store manager at a McDonald's. You do not leave an unfit prosecutor in the courtroom.

Kenneth Gilstrap appears, to me at a distance, to be unfit for his responsibilities. That was unacceptable performance, and Dilfer was right to be upset (though not to lose control). If it's worth a tirade, then it's worth a firing/demotion.

Accountability means consequences. I'm not arguing that Dilfer was too harsh. I'm saying that he was, in my opinion, not harsh enough. It's his program, and he can handle the situation as he sees fit, but it is not the decision I would recommend.

I don't think, 5 games into a coaching staff's first season, you can really judge whether a particular coach, or the entire staff, is "unfit." Just like you can't judge a prosecutor from their first few trials, or a McDonald's manager from their first few shifts. I am not going to address whether you can judge a platoon leader from their first few firefights because I have never served in the military, and thus wholly unqualified to make that call. (And although I haven't served, as the the grandson of a Marine with three Purple Hearts and Bronze Star with V for Valor, and someone who has several guys close to me who have served in combat much more recently than the Korean War, I despise comparisons of sport to war, but that's a discussion for another time...) But as a student of history I am qualified to say that George Washington got his teeth kicked in during the Battle of Brooklyn just weeks after the Declaration of Independence. Maybe you would've advocated for him being sh!tcanned in August of 1776, but I think subsequent events bear out that patience can be a virtue. He turned out pretty well as a military leader, amongst other things. People make mistakes- that's the only way we grow. The best lessons I've learned are from screwing up, and then having someone tell me (sometimes pretty aggressively) just how badly I had done so. Which is why I say Dilfer nailed this, and I'm proud to have him coaching my alma mater.

I see those points, and they have validity. I watched a prosecutor in his first trial nervously whip out his strike list and rattle off every number, up front, while the defense gleefully jotted them all down. He was not fired for that (and I'd like to write a happy ending here, but he got canned not long after for something totally unrelated to job performance).

Gilstrap is not at his first trial, or flipping his first cheeseburger. He has years of FBS experience and was a (lower-level) DC himself. He committed an egregious error and his areas have not performed well to date. It's up to Dilfer whether he has confidence in him. I've tried the chewing-out-now-do-better approach - and I can really bring it - and regretted it. It's not a universal model for success.

As for George, he also escaped from New York, which was no mean feat, before Congress had a chance to can him. Dilfer has given Gilstrap a chance to do the same; I hope he doesn't regret it.

Trust is like virginity; once broken, it is not easily repaired. I don't agree that Dilfer nailed this, but my confidence in him is not broken and I do agree that I'm glad we have him.

All good points. Let's snap a fresh cold beer and see how the back half of the season plays out. Cheers.