(09-20-2023 04:31 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I hope Coach Tucker fights this. The idea you can sexually assault someone from hundreds of miles away is crazy when all the so-called “victim” has to do is hang up the phone, close up a notebook or click a mouse.

Mel should contend that the victim initiated the relationship then attempted to use it to blackmail him. He doesn’t have to prove it just insinuate it.

How Michigan State handles this could be used against them. If I’m recruiting against them I point out to young men the absurdity of a woman claiming to be assaulted online. If a university supports a woman who lives states away against a member of the football program, what would they do to a young man on campus?

As a parent I would think long and hard about letting my son attend that university.

Seriously?! If that’s your take then I’m sure the parents of women at Michigan State would be thrilled to have your son attend a different school. I suppose you think if he did this in front of a female employee that the female employee could have “just left the room”? Would that make it ok?

Let’s put the harassment discussion on the side for a moment, are you saying it is ok for your head football coach to do this consensually and have it hit the press like this? He’s an embarrassment to the university, even without the harassment charge. Add with the stupidity on top of it all and it’s amazing he lasted this long.

(09-20-2023 03:31 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 04:31 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I hope Coach Tucker fights this. The idea you can sexually assault someone from hundreds of miles away is crazy when all the so-called “victim” has to do is hang up the phone, close up a notebook or click a mouse.

Mel should contend that the victim initiated the relationship then attempted to use it to blackmail him. He doesn’t have to prove it just insinuate it.

How Michigan State handles this could be used against them. If I’m recruiting against them I point out to young men the absurdity of a woman claiming to be assaulted online. If a university supports a woman who lives states away against a member of the football program, what would they do to a young man on campus?

As a parent I would think long and hard about letting my son attend that university.

Seriously?! If that’s your take then I’m sure the parents of women at Michigan State would be thrilled to have your son attend a different school. I suppose you think if he did this in front of a female employee that the female employee could have “just left the room”? Would that make it ok?

Let’s put the harassment discussion on the side for a moment, are you saying it is ok for your head football coach to do this consensually and have it hit the press like this? He’s an embarrassment to the university, even without the harassment charge. Add with the stupidity on top of it all and it’s amazing he lasted this long.

This.

I don't particularly understand it either. Most, if not all, of the guys here defending Tucker are likely great husbands, fathers, and/or respected members of their respective communities and families. Yet here they are defending a man who is none of those things. It's...baffling.

(09-20-2023 02:11 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 02:28 PM)C2__ Wrote:  They get out of that outrageous contract they gave Mel Tucker in the first place. I don't think this could have worked out any better.

Yes, they are so "lucky" to have had a campus leader guilty of all the gross things that sucker did. That's a terrible look. The money was not going to make anyone at the university go hungry or without. But that is horrible press for them.

What “gross things” did he do? He had phone sex with his girlfriend one time, and MSU is trying to use that to justify weaseling out of paying him $79m. If he had 3 unpaid jaywalking tickets and nothing else, they’d have tried to use that. You’re hopelessly naive if you think this investigation is bad news for MSU.

Keep in mind that Michigan State is still dealing with the aftermath of Larry Nassar and you can understand how they want nip something like this in the bud.

Nothing to see here! It's all a conspirancy!

(09-20-2023 06:33 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 03:31 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 04:31 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I hope Coach Tucker fights this. The idea you can sexually assault someone from hundreds of miles away is crazy when all the so-called “victim” has to do is hang up the phone, close up a notebook or click a mouse.

Mel should contend that the victim initiated the relationship then attempted to use it to blackmail him. He doesn’t have to prove it just insinuate it.

How Michigan State handles this could be used against them. If I’m recruiting against them I point out to young men the absurdity of a woman claiming to be assaulted online. If a university supports a woman who lives states away against a member of the football program, what would they do to a young man on campus?

As a parent I would think long and hard about letting my son attend that university.

Seriously?! If that’s your take then I’m sure the parents of women at Michigan State would be thrilled to have your son attend a different school. I suppose you think if he did this in front of a female employee that the female employee could have “just left the room”? Would that make it ok?

Let’s put the harassment discussion on the side for a moment, are you saying it is ok for your head football coach to do this consensually and have it hit the press like this? He’s an embarrassment to the university, even without the harassment charge. Add with the stupidity on top of it all and it’s amazing he lasted this long.

This.

I don't particularly understand it either. Most, if not all, of the guys here defending Tucker are likely great husbands, fathers, and/or respected members of their respective communities and families. Yet here they are defending a man who is none of those things. It's...baffling.

Two words for the righteously indignant here...

DUKE LACROSSE.

(09-21-2023 08:35 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 06:33 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 03:31 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 04:31 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I hope Coach Tucker fights this. The idea you can sexually assault someone from hundreds of miles away is crazy when all the so-called “victim” has to do is hang up the phone, close up a notebook or click a mouse.

Mel should contend that the victim initiated the relationship then attempted to use it to blackmail him. He doesn’t have to prove it just insinuate it.

How Michigan State handles this could be used against them. If I’m recruiting against them I point out to young men the absurdity of a woman claiming to be assaulted online. If a university supports a woman who lives states away against a member of the football program, what would they do to a young man on campus?

As a parent I would think long and hard about letting my son attend that university.

Seriously?! If that’s your take then I’m sure the parents of women at Michigan State would be thrilled to have your son attend a different school. I suppose you think if he did this in front of a female employee that the female employee could have “just left the room”? Would that make it ok?

Let’s put the harassment discussion on the side for a moment, are you saying it is ok for your head football coach to do this consensually and have it hit the press like this? He’s an embarrassment to the university, even without the harassment charge. Add with the stupidity on top of it all and it’s amazing he lasted this long.

This.

I don't particularly understand it either. Most, if not all, of the guys here defending Tucker are likely great husbands, fathers, and/or respected members of their respective communities and families. Yet here they are defending a man who is none of those things. It's...baffling.

Two words for the righteously indignant here...

DUKE LACROSSE.

I'll give you that.

But for every one such instance you have hundreds, probably thousands, of genuine incidents. The math just doesn't math. (But I'm a numbers guy and I don't like to deal in edge cases).

(09-21-2023 12:24 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 08:35 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 06:33 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 03:31 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 04:31 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I hope Coach Tucker fights this. The idea you can sexually assault someone from hundreds of miles away is crazy when all the so-called “victim” has to do is hang up the phone, close up a notebook or click a mouse.

Mel should contend that the victim initiated the relationship then attempted to use it to blackmail him. He doesn’t have to prove it just insinuate it.

How Michigan State handles this could be used against them. If I’m recruiting against them I point out to young men the absurdity of a woman claiming to be assaulted online. If a university supports a woman who lives states away against a member of the football program, what would they do to a young man on campus?

As a parent I would think long and hard about letting my son attend that university.

Seriously?! If that’s your take then I’m sure the parents of women at Michigan State would be thrilled to have your son attend a different school. I suppose you think if he did this in front of a female employee that the female employee could have “just left the room”? Would that make it ok?

Let’s put the harassment discussion on the side for a moment, are you saying it is ok for your head football coach to do this consensually and have it hit the press like this? He’s an embarrassment to the university, even without the harassment charge. Add with the stupidity on top of it all and it’s amazing he lasted this long.

This.

I don't particularly understand it either. Most, if not all, of the guys here defending Tucker are likely great husbands, fathers, and/or respected members of their respective communities and families. Yet here they are defending a man who is none of those things. It's...baffling.

Two words for the righteously indignant here...

DUKE LACROSSE.

I'll give you that.

But for every one such instance you have hundreds, probably thousands, of genuine incidents. The math just doesn't math. (But I'm a numbers guy and I don't like to deal in edge cases).

Exactly true. Didn’t the kids from Duke get cleared too, by the way? Even without the harassment, which I do believe was harassment, he thoroughly embarrassed the university with this behavior and lost all credibility with any parent with any sense of morals.

(09-20-2023 03:31 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 04:31 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I hope Coach Tucker fights this. The idea you can sexually assault someone from hundreds of miles away is crazy when all the so-called “victim” has to do is hang up the phone, close up a notebook or click a mouse.

Mel should contend that the victim initiated the relationship then attempted to use it to blackmail him. He doesn’t have to prove it just insinuate it.

How Michigan State handles this could be used against them. If I’m recruiting against them I point out to young men the absurdity of a woman claiming to be assaulted online. If a university supports a woman who lives states away against a member of the football program, what would they do to a young man on campus?

As a parent I would think long and hard about letting my son attend that university.

Seriously?! If that’s your take then I’m sure the parents of women at Michigan State would be thrilled to have your son attend a different school. I suppose you think if he did this in front of a female employee that the female employee could have “just left the room”? Would that make it ok?

Let’s put the harassment discussion on the side for a moment, are you saying it is ok for your head football coach to do this consensually and have it hit the press like this? He’s an embarrassment to the university, even without the harassment charge. Add with the stupidity on top of it all and it’s amazing he lasted this long.

Is it ok for one adult to have consensual phone sex with another, age-appropriate adult? I think that it is, though I don’t have $79m ruding on the answer to that question. And this lady had only a tangential affiliation with MSU, she spoke to the football team ONE TIME. Now that everything has come to light, this looks far, far less severe than what Petrine did at Arky then lid to his boss about. Tucker had a consensual relationship with a fellow adult, they obviously had some sort of falling out, she decided to get even, and MSU is hoping that the current climate of “anybody accused of the smallest transgressions deserves to be fired for cause, but only if he’s wealthy and successful” will enable them to weasel out of that $79m that they owe Tucker. If he’d won a few more games then she’d have quietly gotten a small payoff to go away, but letting tiny excerpts from the investigation air out in public suits MSU’s plans just fine.

Hmmm, I should be taking notes here instead of criticizing them. I wonder if Jimbo knows any diversity counselors…

(09-21-2023 04:38 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 12:24 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 08:35 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 06:33 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 03:31 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  Seriously?! If that’s your take then I’m sure the parents of women at Michigan State would be thrilled to have your son attend a different school. I suppose you think if he did this in front of a female employee that the female employee could have “just left the room”? Would that make it ok?

Let’s put the harassment discussion on the side for a moment, are you saying it is ok for your head football coach to do this consensually and have it hit the press like this? He’s an embarrassment to the university, even without the harassment charge. Add with the stupidity on top of it all and it’s amazing he lasted this long.

This.

I don't particularly understand it either. Most, if not all, of the guys here defending Tucker are likely great husbands, fathers, and/or respected members of their respective communities and families. Yet here they are defending a man who is none of those things. It's...baffling.

Two words for the righteously indignant here...

DUKE LACROSSE.

I'll give you that.

But for every one such instance you have hundreds, probably thousands, of genuine incidents. The math just doesn't math. (But I'm a numbers guy and I don't like to deal in edge cases).

Exactly true. Didn’t the kids from Duke get cleared too, by the way? Even without the harassment, which I do believe was harassment, he thoroughly embarrassed the university with this behavior and lost all credibility with any parent with any sense of morals.

Have you read the entire report or just that one bullet point? Are you aware that the report concluded that he was in a consensual relationship with the woman? If he was stalking/harassing her then yes, absolutely MSU is justified in firing him for cause. But if, as the report states, he was actually in a consensual adult relationship with her, then this is just a lovers spat brought out into the open, at which point it’s worthwhile to see who has the most to gain from dragging these salacious allegations to light. And from where I sit, MSU has 79m reasons to drag Tucker’s name through the mud.

Just because most of human history is littered with examples of powerful men taking advantage of innocent and pure maidens, that does not mean that we have to try to shoehorn the facts of this particular case to fit that ridiculous narrative.

I seriously doubt that any sane man is going to "grease the hog" on a phone call with a woman without some kind of encouragement on her part. My understanding is this was not their only late night phone call either. I think he is crazy in the first place for entangling himself with a women that has this kind of history.

I believe that he was going to get notice of termination for cause once the news of his activities came out, whether the news broke before or after this October hearing. Whether his activity was consensual or not, I believe once the news broke his affiliation with the university became a huge deficit to the university as a whole and to the football program specifically.

I also read that he was contractually obligated to only provide positive information about the university to the public. He broke that part of the contract when he called the investigation a shame proceeding last week. I read that the university also cited this in their reason for terminating his contract.

I can only imagine the fiasco that would occur if he ever coached an away football game in Ann Arbor. I can see every michigan fan in the stands jerking their imaginary ***** while talking on the phone.

Best of luck tuck.
Didn't your moma ever tell you not to touch that thing?

(09-21-2023 05:20 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 04:38 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 12:24 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 08:35 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 06:33 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  This.

I don't particularly understand it either. Most, if not all, of the guys here defending Tucker are likely great husbands, fathers, and/or respected members of their respective communities and families. Yet here they are defending a man who is none of those things. It's...baffling.

Two words for the righteously indignant here...

DUKE LACROSSE.

I'll give you that.

But for every one such instance you have hundreds, probably thousands, of genuine incidents. The math just doesn't math. (But I'm a numbers guy and I don't like to deal in edge cases).

Exactly true. Didn’t the kids from Duke get cleared too, by the way? Even without the harassment, which I do believe was harassment, he thoroughly embarrassed the university with this behavior and lost all credibility with any parent with any sense of morals.

Have you read the entire report or just that one bullet point? Are you aware that the report concluded that he was in a consensual relationship with the woman? If he was stalking/harassing her then yes, absolutely MSU is justified in firing him for cause. But if, as the report states, he was actually in a consensual adult relationship with her, then this is just a lovers spat brought out into the open, at which point it’s worthwhile to see who has the most to gain from dragging these salacious allegations to light. And from where I sit, MSU has 79m reasons to drag Tucker’s name through the mud.

Just because most of human history is littered with examples of powerful men taking advantage of innocent and pure maidens, that does not mean that we have to try to shoehorn the facts of this particular case to fit that ridiculous narrative.

Well there was some sort of consensual relationship. I can see how you could suspect it was one that later went south.

But it still looks more to me like he assumed facts that weren't in evidence and went too far and she was too shell shocked to hang up.

Either way, phone sex is pretty stupid. And having a relationship with this woman who was counseling on rape prevention may even be more stupid.

(09-21-2023 08:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 05:20 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 04:38 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 12:24 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 08:35 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Two words for the righteously indignant here...

DUKE LACROSSE.

I'll give you that.

But for every one such instance you have hundreds, probably thousands, of genuine incidents. The math just doesn't math. (But I'm a numbers guy and I don't like to deal in edge cases).

Exactly true. Didn’t the kids from Duke get cleared too, by the way? Even without the harassment, which I do believe was harassment, he thoroughly embarrassed the university with this behavior and lost all credibility with any parent with any sense of morals.

Have you read the entire report or just that one bullet point? Are you aware that the report concluded that he was in a consensual relationship with the woman? If he was stalking/harassing her then yes, absolutely MSU is justified in firing him for cause. But if, as the report states, he was actually in a consensual adult relationship with her, then this is just a lovers spat brought out into the open, at which point it’s worthwhile to see who has the most to gain from dragging these salacious allegations to light. And from where I sit, MSU has 79m reasons to drag Tucker’s name through the mud.

Just because most of human history is littered with examples of powerful men taking advantage of innocent and pure maidens, that does not mean that we have to try to shoehorn the facts of this particular case to fit that ridiculous narrative.

Well there was some sort of consensual relationship. I can see how you could suspect it was one that later went south.

But it still looks more to me like he assumed facts that weren't in evidence and went too far and she was too shell shocked to hang up.

Either way, phone sex is pretty stupid. And having a relationship with this woman who was counseling on rape prevention may even be more stupid.

Very true. He should be fired, not for having phone sex, but for being an idiot. Not sure where this will fall on the scale of his remaining $79m or lack thereof, but if he hadn't been cheating on his wife then none of this would have come up in the first place.

(09-21-2023 05:20 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 04:38 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 12:24 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 08:35 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 06:33 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  This.

I don't particularly understand it either. Most, if not all, of the guys here defending Tucker are likely great husbands, fathers, and/or respected members of their respective communities and families. Yet here they are defending a man who is none of those things. It's...baffling.

Two words for the righteously indignant here...

DUKE LACROSSE.

I'll give you that.

But for every one such instance you have hundreds, probably thousands, of genuine incidents. The math just doesn't math. (But I'm a numbers guy and I don't like to deal in edge cases).

Exactly true. Didn’t the kids from Duke get cleared too, by the way? Even without the harassment, which I do believe was harassment, he thoroughly embarrassed the university with this behavior and lost all credibility with any parent with any sense of morals.

Have you read the entire report or just that one bullet point? Are you aware that the report concluded that he was in a consensual relationship with the woman? If he was stalking/harassing her then yes, absolutely MSU is justified in firing him for cause. But if, as the report states, he was actually in a consensual adult relationship with her, then this is just a lovers spat brought out into the open, at which point it’s worthwhile to see who has the most to gain from dragging these salacious allegations to light. And from where I sit, MSU has 79m reasons to drag Tucker’s name through the mud.

Just because most of human history is littered with examples of powerful men taking advantage of innocent and pure maidens, that does not mean that we have to try to shoehorn the facts of this particular case to fit that ridiculous narrative.

If you have a link to a report, please post, because ESPN and others are suing for its release. The only thing made public is the letter of termination from MSU and Coach Tucker’s responses. His hearing is in a week and an half, so please share this report you cite. And for the record, he is the only one who has said this is consensual.

(09-21-2023 08:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 05:20 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 04:38 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 12:24 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(09-21-2023 08:35 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Two words for the righteously indignant here...

DUKE LACROSSE.

I'll give you that.

But for every one such instance you have hundreds, probably thousands, of genuine incidents. The math just doesn't math. (But I'm a numbers guy and I don't like to deal in edge cases).

Exactly true. Didn’t the kids from Duke get cleared too, by the way? Even without the harassment, which I do believe was harassment, he thoroughly embarrassed the university with this behavior and lost all credibility with any parent with any sense of morals.

Have you read the entire report or just that one bullet point? Are you aware that the report concluded that he was in a consensual relationship with the woman? If he was stalking/harassing her then yes, absolutely MSU is justified in firing him for cause. But if, as the report states, he was actually in a consensual adult relationship with her, then this is just a lovers spat brought out into the open, at which point it’s worthwhile to see who has the most to gain from dragging these salacious allegations to light. And from where I sit, MSU has 79m reasons to drag Tucker’s name through the mud.

Just because most of human history is littered with examples of powerful men taking advantage of innocent and pure maidens, that does not mean that we have to try to shoehorn the facts of this particular case to fit that ridiculous narrative.

Well there was some sort of consensual relationship. I can see how you could suspect it was one that later went south.

But it still looks more to me like he assumed facts that weren't in evidence and went too far and she was too shell shocked to hang up.

Either way, phone sex is pretty stupid. And having a relationship with this woman who was counseling on rape prevention may even be more stupid.

I think you are on to something here. Maybe there was a friendship that developed and he assumed wrongly.

(09-21-2023 07:58 PM)Sparty84 Wrote:  I seriously doubt that any sane man is going to "grease the hog" on a phone call with a woman without some kind of encouragement on her part. My understanding is this was not their only late night phone call either. I think he is crazy in the first place for entangling himself with a women that has this kind of history.

I believe that he was going to get notice of termination for cause once the news of his activities came out, whether the news broke before or after this October hearing. Whether his activity was consensual or not, I believe once the news broke his affiliation with the university became a huge deficit to the university as a whole and to the football program specifically.

I also read that he was contractually obligated to only provide positive information about the university to the public. He broke that part of the contract when he called the investigation a shame proceeding last week. I read that the university also cited this in their reason for terminating his contract.

I can only imagine the fiasco that would occur if he ever coached an away football game in Ann Arbor. I can see every michigan fan in the stands jerking their imaginary ***** while talking on the phone.

Best of luck tuck.
Didn't your moma ever tell you not to touch that thing?

Not sure what you mean with your Ann Arbor reference. You’re right that we would lose our s@#t if this happened with our coach. You’re might be right about the termination being as much about embarrassing the university as the act itself.

It’s your first sentence that bothers me in that I think there are men out there that absolutely assume they are being encouraged despite the fact they are not. If I’m not mistaken, she is on the west coast, so the late night calls in Florida (while on university business) would be around 7 or 8 o’clock out west. Not necessarily salacious…

They must be glad they're out of an albatross of a contract.

(09-27-2023 07:26 PM)C2__ Wrote:  They must be glad they're out of an albatross of a contract.

But into a lawsuit that will drag them through the mud for a long time.

(09-21-2023 08:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  Either way, phone sex is pretty stupid. And having a relationship with this woman who was counseling on rape prevention may even be more stupid.

This is the spot I land on. Bottom line, you're getting paid a gazillion dollars to lead young men and represent your employer accordingly. Again, Larry Nassar. Hello! Have some damn self-awareness. Tucker deserves the firing and MSU can lick its wounds trying to right the ship...over the next several years buried in the B1G.