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Keep in mind USNWR (undergraduate) and ARWU (graduate) are measuring two different worlds.
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Am I reading Washington Monthly right that FIU (#19) and Fresno State (#26) are ahead of Northwestern (#31)?
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I prefer the WSJ bc it has us ranked #1 n the state…

The recognition from U.S. News comes on the heels of another notable ranking from The Wall Street Journal, which recently named Texas A&M the No. 1 university in the state, No. 6 in the nation among public universities and No. 38 overall.

People take what they want from these things. If you’re interested in a reasonable comparison, I like using a composite with ARWU, USN&WR, and average SAT. The WSJ is a reasonable one to include, too.

I just did a quick run through. The WSJ has BYU at #20 while USN&WR has them at #115. That’s a pretty big gap. However, take the average of the 2 and you get 67.5. Their ARWU is 118-144, reflecting their focus on undergraduate instruction, but their average SAT is a very strong 1315. If you looked at just one data point you’d be lacking a clear picture.
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(09-18-2023 09:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Am I reading Washington Monthly right that FIU (#19) and Fresno State (#26) are ahead of Northwestern (#31)?

Maybe they take student athlete safety into account in those rankings?02-13-banana02-13-banana
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(09-18-2023 09:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Am I reading Washington Monthly right that FIU (#19) and Fresno State (#26) are ahead of Northwestern (#31)?

Yeah, while my school is at 94 we are ahead of Rice at least.
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(09-18-2023 09:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Am I reading Washington Monthly right that FIU (#19) and Fresno State (#26) are ahead of Northwestern (#31)?

Yes. Its a completely bogus ranking. You have equal ranking to research, social mobility (ie Pell Grant graduation rates) and service (how many Peace Corps volunteers you have). Now I've simplified, but the weight of social mobility and even including the service component tell you it is total, complete nonsense. Maybe done by FIU or Fresno grads who figured out a way to get their school ranked high?

Any reasonable system would do a smell test.
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(09-18-2023 10:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I prefer the WSJ bc it has us ranked #1 n the state…

The recognition from U.S. News comes on the heels of another notable ranking from The Wall Street Journal, which recently named Texas A&M the No. 1 university in the state, No. 6 in the nation among public universities and No. 38 overall.

People take what they want from these things. If you’re interested in a reasonable comparison, I like using a composite with ARWU, USN&WR, and average SAT. The WSJ is a reasonable one to include, too.

I just did a quick run through. The WSJ has BYU at #20 while USN&WR has them at #115. That’s a pretty big gap. However, take the average of the 2 and you get 67.5. Their ARWU is 118-144, reflecting their focus on undergraduate instruction, but their average SAT is a very strong 1315. If you looked at just one data point you’d be lacking a clear picture.

There are 2 problems with SAT. First, some states are mainly ACT states, so the SAT numbers are based on small samples. Second, a lot of elite schools aren't requiring it anymore since it makes it harder to justify diversity admissions.

But just for fun here are the PrepScholar average SATs for the SEC and a few others:
Vanderbilt 1505 (there must be a LOT of SAT score inflation)
Florida 1360
Texas 1355
Georgia 1325
A&M 1275
South Carolina 1275
Tennessee 1240
Auburn 1235
Oklahoma 1210
Arkansas 1210
Kentucky 1190
Missouri 1190
Alabama 1184
LSU 1180
MSU 1180
Ole Miss 1160

Clemson 1310
Cincinnati 1265
UCF 1259
Houston 1225
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(09-18-2023 11:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 10:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I prefer the WSJ bc it has us ranked #1 n the state…

The recognition from U.S. News comes on the heels of another notable ranking from The Wall Street Journal, which recently named Texas A&M the No. 1 university in the state, No. 6 in the nation among public universities and No. 38 overall.

People take what they want from these things. If you’re interested in a reasonable comparison, I like using a composite with ARWU, USN&WR, and average SAT. The WSJ is a reasonable one to include, too.

I just did a quick run through. The WSJ has BYU at #20 while USN&WR has them at #115. That’s a pretty big gap. However, take the average of the 2 and you get 67.5. Their ARWU is 118-144, reflecting their focus on undergraduate instruction, but their average SAT is a very strong 1315. If you looked at just one data point you’d be lacking a clear picture.

There are 2 problems with SAT. First, some states are mainly ACT states, so the SAT numbers are based on small samples. Second, a lot of elite schools aren't requiring it anymore since it makes it harder to justify diversity admissions.

But just for fun here are the PrepScholar average SATs for the SEC and a few others:
Vanderbilt 1505 (there must be a LOT of SAT score inflation)
Florida 1360
Texas 1355
Georgia 1325
A&M 1275
South Carolina 1275
Tennessee 1240
Auburn 1235
Oklahoma 1210
Arkansas 1210
Kentucky 1190
Missouri 1190
Alabama 1184
LSU 1180
MSU 1180
Ole Miss 1160

Clemson 1310
Cincinnati 1265
UCF 1259
Houston 1225

Vanderbilt is very much in line with other T1 schools. GT is on the top end of T2 schools at 1475, and the T1 schools range from around there to 1510 IIRC.

Avg ACT scores work just as well for areas where ACT is more prevalent, I just didn't bother to look that up since, theoretically, it should give similar information.
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(09-19-2023 12:12 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 11:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 10:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I prefer the WSJ bc it has us ranked #1 n the state…

The recognition from U.S. News comes on the heels of another notable ranking from The Wall Street Journal, which recently named Texas A&M the No. 1 university in the state, No. 6 in the nation among public universities and No. 38 overall.

People take what they want from these things. If you’re interested in a reasonable comparison, I like using a composite with ARWU, USN&WR, and average SAT. The WSJ is a reasonable one to include, too.

I just did a quick run through. The WSJ has BYU at #20 while USN&WR has them at #115. That’s a pretty big gap. However, take the average of the 2 and you get 67.5. Their ARWU is 118-144, reflecting their focus on undergraduate instruction, but their average SAT is a very strong 1315. If you looked at just one data point you’d be lacking a clear picture.

There are 2 problems with SAT. First, some states are mainly ACT states, so the SAT numbers are based on small samples. Second, a lot of elite schools aren't requiring it anymore since it makes it harder to justify diversity admissions.

But just for fun here are the PrepScholar average SATs for the SEC and a few others:
Vanderbilt 1505 (there must be a LOT of SAT score inflation)
Florida 1360
Texas 1355
Georgia 1325
A&M 1275
South Carolina 1275
Tennessee 1240
Auburn 1235
Oklahoma 1210
Arkansas 1210
Kentucky 1190
Missouri 1190
Alabama 1184
LSU 1180
MSU 1180
Ole Miss 1160

UNC 1395
Miami 1355
Clemson 1310
FSU 1270
Cincinnati 1265
UCF 1259
Houston 1225

Vanderbilt is very much in line with other T1 schools. GT is on the top end of T2 schools at 1475, and the T1 schools range from around there to 1510 IIRC.

Avg ACT scores work just as well for areas where ACT is more prevalent, I just didn't bother to look that up since, theoretically, it should give similar information.

FSU's is 1270
Miami's is 1355
UNC's is 1395
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(09-19-2023 12:16 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(09-19-2023 12:12 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 11:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 10:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I prefer the WSJ bc it has us ranked #1 n the state…

The recognition from U.S. News comes on the heels of another notable ranking from The Wall Street Journal, which recently named Texas A&M the No. 1 university in the state, No. 6 in the nation among public universities and No. 38 overall.

People take what they want from these things. If you’re interested in a reasonable comparison, I like using a composite with ARWU, USN&WR, and average SAT. The WSJ is a reasonable one to include, too.

I just did a quick run through. The WSJ has BYU at #20 while USN&WR has them at #115. That’s a pretty big gap. However, take the average of the 2 and you get 67.5. Their ARWU is 118-144, reflecting their focus on undergraduate instruction, but their average SAT is a very strong 1315. If you looked at just one data point you’d be lacking a clear picture.

There are 2 problems with SAT. First, some states are mainly ACT states, so the SAT numbers are based on small samples. Second, a lot of elite schools aren't requiring it anymore since it makes it harder to justify diversity admissions.

But just for fun here are the PrepScholar average SATs for the SEC and a few others:
Vanderbilt 1505 (there must be a LOT of SAT score inflation)
Florida 1360
Texas 1355
Georgia 1325
A&M 1275
South Carolina 1275
Tennessee 1240
Auburn 1235
Oklahoma 1210
Arkansas 1210
Kentucky 1190
Missouri 1190
Alabama 1184
LSU 1180
MSU 1180
Ole Miss 1160

Clemson 1310
Florida State 1270
Cincinnati 1265
UCF 1259
Houston 1225

Vanderbilt is very much in line with other T1 schools. GT is on the top end of T2 schools at 1475, and the T1 schools range from around there to 1510 IIRC.

Avg ACT scores work just as well for areas where ACT is more prevalent, I just didn't bother to look that up since, theoretically, it should give similar information.

FSU's is 1270

Yeah, A&M and FSU are comparable in many metrics. We're both around 50 in USN&WR, both around 1270 in SAT, both large publics in big states with a chip on our shoulder about the school down the road. We're a bit ahead of them in ARWU and of course we're AAU, but I expect that they'll join that lobbying organization/Nerdy good ole' boys club eventually.
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(09-19-2023 12:20 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(09-19-2023 12:16 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(09-19-2023 12:12 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 11:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 10:01 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I prefer the WSJ bc it has us ranked #1 n the state…

The recognition from U.S. News comes on the heels of another notable ranking from The Wall Street Journal, which recently named Texas A&M the No. 1 university in the state, No. 6 in the nation among public universities and No. 38 overall.

People take what they want from these things. If you’re interested in a reasonable comparison, I like using a composite with ARWU, USN&WR, and average SAT. The WSJ is a reasonable one to include, too.

I just did a quick run through. The WSJ has BYU at #20 while USN&WR has them at #115. That’s a pretty big gap. However, take the average of the 2 and you get 67.5. Their ARWU is 118-144, reflecting their focus on undergraduate instruction, but their average SAT is a very strong 1315. If you looked at just one data point you’d be lacking a clear picture.

There are 2 problems with SAT. First, some states are mainly ACT states, so the SAT numbers are based on small samples. Second, a lot of elite schools aren't requiring it anymore since it makes it harder to justify diversity admissions.

But just for fun here are the PrepScholar average SATs for the SEC and a few others:
Vanderbilt 1505 (there must be a LOT of SAT score inflation)
Florida 1360
Texas 1355
Georgia 1325
A&M 1275
South Carolina 1275
Tennessee 1240
Auburn 1235
Oklahoma 1210
Arkansas 1210
Kentucky 1190
Missouri 1190
Alabama 1184
LSU 1180
MSU 1180
Ole Miss 1160

Duke 1510
Georgia Tech 1465
UVa 1430
UNC 1395
WFU 1390
NC State 1355
Miami 1355
Clemson 1310
Virginia Tech 1285
Florida State 1270
Cincinnati 1265
UCF 1259
Houston 1225

Vanderbilt is very much in line with other T1 schools. GT is on the top end of T2 schools at 1475, and the T1 schools range from around there to 1510 IIRC.

Avg ACT scores work just as well for areas where ACT is more prevalent, I just didn't bother to look that up since, theoretically, it should give similar information.

FSU's is 1270

Yeah, A&M and FSU are comparable in many metrics. We're both around 50 in USN&WR, both around 1270 in SAT, both large publics in big states with a chip on our shoulder about the school down the road. We're a bit ahead of them in ARWU and of course we're AAU, but I expect that they'll join that lobbying organization/Nerdy good ole' boys club eventually.

Did you see UNC's?? 1395!!
NC State's isn't bad either at 1355, IMO.
UVa, wow!!,, 1430!!!
Georgia Tech at 1465!! No misprint!!
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(09-19-2023 12:25 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
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(09-19-2023 12:16 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(09-19-2023 12:12 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 11:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  There are 2 problems with SAT. First, some states are mainly ACT states, so the SAT numbers are based on small samples. Second, a lot of elite schools aren't requiring it anymore since it makes it harder to justify diversity admissions.

But just for fun here are the PrepScholar average SATs for the SEC and a few others:
Vanderbilt 1505 (there must be a LOT of SAT score inflation)
Florida 1360
Texas 1355
Georgia 1325
A&M 1275
South Carolina 1275
Tennessee 1240
Auburn 1235
Oklahoma 1210
Arkansas 1210
Kentucky 1190
Missouri 1190
Alabama 1184
LSU 1180
MSU 1180
Ole Miss 1160

Duke 1510
Georgia Tech 1465
UVa 1430
UNC 1395
WFU 1390
NC State 1355
Miami 1355
Clemson 1310
Virginia Tech 1285
Florida State 1270
Cincinnati 1265
UCF 1259
Houston 1225

Vanderbilt is very much in line with other T1 schools. GT is on the top end of T2 schools at 1475, and the T1 schools range from around there to 1510 IIRC.

Avg ACT scores work just as well for areas where ACT is more prevalent, I just didn't bother to look that up since, theoretically, it should give similar information.

FSU's is 1270

Yeah, A&M and FSU are comparable in many metrics. We're both around 50 in USN&WR, both around 1270 in SAT, both large publics in big states with a chip on our shoulder about the school down the road. We're a bit ahead of them in ARWU and of course we're AAU, but I expect that they'll join that lobbying organization/Nerdy good ole' boys club eventually.

Did you see UNC's?? 1395!!
NC State's isn't bad either at 1355, IMO.
UVa, wow!!,, 1430!!!
Georgia Tech at 1465!! No misprint!!

Yeah, the ACC has some real Academic heavyweights. Those schools tend to do very well in USN&WR and ARWU, too, though perhaps not as well as their SATs might indicate. I thought GT was 1475. I know that they turned down my daughter's friend with a 1570 last year.

SAT grade inflation is a real thing, and it's important that we old timers remember that when we're comparing schools. A 1450 was in the top .2% back in 1990, but today that would instead be in the top 2%. My daughter got a 1300, which was in the top 9% back in the day but is instead more like the top 12% today. So these schools that average 1450-1500 SAT, while those are still very impressive scores, they're not quite as impressive as they used to be.
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(09-19-2023 12:12 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Vanderbilt is very much in line with other T1 schools. GT is on the top end of T2 schools at 1475, and the T1 schools range from around there to 1510 IIRC.

Avg ACT scores work just as well for areas where ACT is more prevalent, I just didn't bother to look that up since, theoretically, it should give similar information.

FSU's is 1270

Yeah, A&M and FSU are comparable in many metrics. We're both around 50 in USN&WR, both around 1270 in SAT, both large publics in big states with a chip on our shoulder about the school down the road. We're a bit ahead of them in ARWU and of course we're AAU, but I expect that they'll join that lobbying organization/Nerdy good ole' boys club eventually.

Did you see UNC's?? 1395!!
NC State's isn't bad either at 1355, IMO.
UVa, wow!!,, 1430!!!
Georgia Tech at 1465!! No misprint!!

Yeah, the ACC has some real Academic heavyweights. Those schools tend to do very well in USN&WR and ARWU, too, though perhaps not as well as their SATs might indicate. I thought GT was 1475. I know that they turned down my daughter's friend with a 1570 last year.

SAT grade inflation is a real thing, and it's important that we old timers remember that when we're comparing schools. A 1450 was in the top .2% back in 1990, but today that would instead be in the top 2%. My daughter got a 1300, which was in the top 9% back in the day but is instead more like the top 12% today. So these schools that average 1450-1500 SAT, while those are still very impressive scores, they're not quite as impressive as they used to be.

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-sat...-over-time
Looks like they bumped up the scores about 60 points in 2017.
https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/...rdance.pdf
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"...• Score Inflation: New SAT scores are “inflated” compared to the old SAT scores. For the vast majority of students, New SAT scores are roughly 60 to 80 points higher for corresponding sections of the Old SAT.

• Percentile inflation: College Board is now reporting a newly defined Percentile called the National Percentile. This percentile uses a new definition and a new sampled reference group, “raising” percentiles by 6 to 8 points across the middle score ranges, and as high as 10 percentile points over part of the scale.

• Substantially decreased Benchmark scores: In 2015, College Board defined college readiness as achieving a 1550 SAT score, which roughly 42% of students met. In the new SAT score reporting, the Composite benchmark is now a 1010 score, which equates to a 1370 on the Old SAT (37th percentile). The New Readiness standard has also been redefined with a lower GPA and a higher predicted likelihood.

• Concordance Tables released after only one New SAT test: The last time the SAT changed its test in 2005 College Board waited a full year before producing Concordance Tables. Since many juniors were counseled to either take the ACT or the Old SAT early, it seems likely that these Concordance Tables are based on a non-representative student sample. It is highly likely that they will change significantly over time.

• ACT CEO is NOT in agreement with College Board’s published Concordance of the New SAT to the ACT: CEO Roorda wrote two inflammatory letters explaining that the ACT was not consulted in forming the Concordance table and that we need a full year’s worth of data to create a “full and fair” sample.


Score Inflation

The Old SAT had an average (roughly 50th percentile marks) Composite score of 1500, comprised of roughly 500 scores on each of the three sections. The New SAT has an average that is closer to 1090, a full 90 points higher. The test has not been “dumbed down”, nor have students suddenly become brilliant. Instead, the test changes have created some of this discrepancy: 1) there are only 4 answer choices instead of 5, 2) there is no Wrong Answer Penalty, 3) challenging and arcane vocabulary has been eliminated, and 4) the test questions are supposed to be more closely aligned with real school work.


So the New and Old tests are different in content and scoring. More comparisons across a variety of score categories comparing New SAT scores to Composite (CR and Math) Old scores show consistent inflation in the 40-70 point range 1:

o A New SAT Composite score of 1200 corresponds to an Old 1130.

o A New 1300 score corresponds to an Old 1230 score.

o A New 1400 score corresponds to an old 1340 score.

o A New 1500 score corresponds to an old 1460 score.

o A New 1600 score is the same 1600 of the Old test...."



And this is just the 2017 changes. There was some inflation in the mid-90s. As more people were taking they test, they didn't want the average score to decline.
Found this link on 1995
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED563025.pdf
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Northern Arizona is rising!

Top 250 in the nation in US News
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By far the highest ranked Big Sky school in Shanghai, only trails Idaho in USNWR

In Shanghai for the Mountain West, only CSU and Hawaii are higher, tied with USU
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(09-18-2023 09:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Am I reading Washington Monthly right that FIU (#19) and Fresno State (#26) are ahead of Northwestern (#31)?

Yeah, while my school is at 94 we are ahead of Rice at least.

Not sure what Washington Monthly's problem is...

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RE: ARWU Rankings, Washington Monthly, , The Princeton Review, & Niche College Ra...
(09-19-2023 03:34 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 10:04 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(09-18-2023 09:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Am I reading Washington Monthly right that FIU (#19) and Fresno State (#26) are ahead of Northwestern (#31)?

Yeah, while my school is at 94 we are ahead of Rice at least.

Not sure what Washington Monthly's problem is...

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(09-18-2023 09:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Am I reading Washington Monthly right that FIU (#19) and Fresno State (#26) are ahead of Northwestern (#31)?

Washington Monthly's rankings, lokibubba, are supposed to measure "the public good." However, looking at how they ranked Northwestern & Rice, I think they're biased against private schools
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