...no real links or anything, but did see a YouTube video about it...

With both programs in the top 25, and most likely available 'on the cheap' (although I believe the 'pro rata' deal is still in effect), and adding the fact that it would TRULY give the XII a PST window, seems like there would be some interest... even if the $$$ were roughly equivalent to whatever they could get as the PAC/MWC mashup, being in the XII would seem to be much more stable for them...

I know currently the "2PAC" is in legal wranglings with the PAC teams leaving, and there is a lot of $$$$ at stake... but the 'long term' play would seem to be the XII, you would think...

well, here's the YT deal - don't know this guy, and seems to be 'theory and conjecture', but hey, it's out there...

It would be a hideously bad move on multiple fronts. One of the most important is future realignment losses to the B12.

1. The ACC currently has Stanford and Cal.
2. If the ACC suffers losses, they can reach out to Utah Az and Az St. (And maybe Colorado) to fill out a western division.
3. If the B12 loses those teams, it would be stuck with 2 NW teams in Or St and WashtST with no other teams nearby except BYU, which isnt really nearby.

(09-18-2023 09:23 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ... could the BigXII re-visit the possibility of inviting OrSt and Wazzou?

1. Can't see the Big XII sitting on 16 when the B1G and SEC are moving towards 24.

2. It would put the kibosh on potential headaches for ESPN and FOX if Yappy gave both the Cougs and Beavs a landing spot

3. Everybody has reasons to work together here. If Yappy makes life simpler for the B1G-FOX and SEC-Disney (think safe haven for the ACC have nots), his schools are gonna be rewarded when the 2026+ CFP contract (and March Madness media rights deal in '33) are negotiated

(09-18-2023 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  It would be a hideously bad move on multiple fronts. One of the most important is future realignment losses to the B12.

1. The ACC currently has Stanford and Cal.
2. If the ACC suffers losses, they can reach out to Utah Az and Az St. (And maybe Colorado) to fill out a western division.
3. If the B12 loses those teams, it would be stuck with 2 NW teams in Or St and WashtST with no other teams nearby except BYU, which isnt really nearby.

1. Stanford and Cal are going to the B1G with Notre Dame and Miami

2. The ACC will be sliced and diced into obsolescence -- just like the Pac-12

3. P2 + P1 Lite >>> P2 + M2. Big XII ascension = ACC expiration

I think the idea behind this is to prevent the MWC from getting a leg up. The MWC will probably be in a position to take both these schools and Zaga at some point. They could conceivably produce two playoff teams in given years with a one loss non-conf champion. Plus, you can get them on the cheap.

I don't see the value with Wazzou, but it's a travel partner. SDSU is probably more appealing. Very tough decision if you are talking about 10-11 million for both. I don't think there is any real threat of teams leaving for the ACC. I'm not sure why folks are still harping on that. But it does consume spots for potential backfills. Either way, they will get to 20-24 schools at some point and have a seat at the table, if we go P3 (still a ways off).

In a world where the Big XII added 2 PTZ schools at partial shares, SDSU would be one of the two for access to California. Oregon St is well-supported while Washington St is very remote, so unfortunately Wazzu is unlikely to ever have a path back.

Those 2 need to figure this out very soon. Unless they plan on playing each other 6 times next season, schedules have to be made, usually made years in advance. They are going to have to try putting a 12 game schedule together in less then a year, good luck.

(09-18-2023 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  It would be a hideously bad move on multiple fronts. One of the most important is future realignment losses to the B12.

1. The ACC currently has Stanford and Cal.
2. If the ACC suffers losses, they can reach out to Utah Az and Az St. (And maybe Colorado) to fill out a western division.
3. If the B12 loses those teams, it would be stuck with 2 NW teams in Or St and WashtST with no other teams nearby except BYU, which isnt really nearby.

If the ACC suffers losses (and let's say it's only FSU and Clemson - I think it can be anywhere from 2-6 more), it won't have the financial value to poach from the Big 12. You don't lose your top two brands and only suffer a marginal TV payout loss.

Oregon State and Washington State will be there to take in 5-10-15 years. They aren't going anywhere. If the Big 12 is unsuccessful in possibly luring ACC programs like Louisville, Pittsburgh or Syracuse (after further defections occur), then it can always look west for other members. Additionally, Memphis, USF and Tulane are also easily addable.

The Big 12 could have some better options down the road. The two PAC leftovers will stay be available.

At this point any of the P4 could revisit adding schools but it won't matter unless their media partners have money to make it happen - and they don't.

Look at the lineup this weekend. UW and USC in the fourth window on ESPN/Fox respectively (Utah@OreSt next weekend). Those games will be B1G games in the future and probably won't be available for the fourth window. You need to replace those games. ESPN is lucky they had Prime and a great game last weekend. That was the only game I watched this weekend while snoozing.

(09-18-2023 10:05 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Those 2 need to figure this out very soon. Unless they plan on playing each other 6 times next season, schedules have to be made, usually made years in advance. They are going to have to try putting a 12 game schedule together in less then a year, good luck.

They cannot do anything other than having discussions until after the next hearing.

No, all those players and coaches are leaving as soon as the season is over.

(09-18-2023 10:11 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  It would be a hideously bad move on multiple fronts. One of the most important is future realignment losses to the B12.

1. The ACC currently has Stanford and Cal.
2. If the ACC suffers losses, they can reach out to Utah Az and Az St. (And maybe Colorado) to fill out a western division.
3. If the B12 loses those teams, it would be stuck with 2 NW teams in Or St and WashtST with no other teams nearby except BYU, which isnt really nearby.

If the ACC suffers losses (and let's say it's only FSU and Clemson - I think it can be anywhere from 2-6 more), it won't have the financial value to poach from the Big 12. You don't lose your top two brands and only suffer a marginal TV payout loss.

Academics dont care about that. They would love to be in a better academic conference with Stanford and Cal.

IF I were running the big 12, I would expand to 18 immediately with San Diego state and 1 from Oregon state, Memphis, Tulane and USF. You could make a good case for all of them but I like having 2 schools in Florida, so USF and SD st to get to 18. Although, adding SD state and Oregon state works great if somehow the big 12 and ACC would just merge and create a 36 team 4 division of 9 format + maybe Nike would do something for them. As for WSU, think it’s MWC time

They already were approached by Oregon State and San Diego State. They declined, but politely. Basically, ESPN and FOX told the Big 12 they tapped out on funding further expansion. So, there isn't any money for it. It also shows their partnership is of necessity, nothing more, as OSU swapped out WSU for SDSU to try to move.

I think it also shows there is no money for a rebranded MWC as the Pac-12. ESPN, FOX, CBS and the CW are all done, and NBC, Apple and Amazon are not interested in G5 content. The project is dead here, as without media funding, and leftover money in the Pac-12 realistically only cover OSU and WSU for maybe two or three years, but that evaporates to nothing if they even partially fund any exit fees from other conferences. Their own litigation with the Pac-12 shows what would happen in the MWC but probably larger, as left behinds would sue for exit fees.

There is only one path open for OSU and WSU. They have to join the MWC. And there is probably a looming deadline by which date they have to do it. CBS and FOX have to set their 2024 CFB budgets, and any MWC expansion will require their additional dollars; my WAG, that deadline is the end of October.

Add 17, 18, 19, 20 will be Pitt, Louisville, and two of the best available remaining, ideally VT, Miami, GT, and/or NC State.

If 24 is needed, I imagine the landscape will look very different, but that bridge can be crossed if it happens, but there are a lot of teams ahead of WSU/OSU

(09-18-2023 11:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Add 17, 18, 19, 20 will be Pitt, Louisville, and two of the best available remaining, ideally VT, Miami, GT, and/or NC State.

If 24 is needed, I imagine the landscape will look very different, but that bridge can be crossed if it happens, but there are a lot of teams ahead of WSU/OSU

If I were the Big XII, I'd be looking at getting Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pittsburgh and Syracuse. The BIG will get California, Duke, Miami (FL), North Carolina, Stanford and Virginia while the SEC will get Clemson, Florida State, NC State and Virginia Tech.

(09-18-2023 09:47 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  It would be a hideously bad move on multiple fronts. One of the most important is future realignment losses to the B12.

1. The ACC currently has Stanford and Cal.
2. If the ACC suffers losses, they can reach out to Utah Az and Az St. (And maybe Colorado) to fill out a western division.
3. If the B12 loses those teams, it would be stuck with 2 NW teams in Or St and WashtST with no other teams nearby except BYU, which isnt really nearby.

1. Stanford and Cal are going to the B1G with Notre Dame and Miami

2. The ACC will be sliced and diced into obsolescence -- just like the Pac-12

3. P2 + P1 Lite >>> P2 + M2. Big XII ascension = ACC expiration

This rumor originated with Greg Swaim.

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