(09-18-2023 03:33 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Also included in the main ranking page is tuition rates.

I believe Frank the Tank mentioned Michigan was more of a private school than Northwestern.

Well if you look at tuition...
USC: $68,237
Northwestern: $65,997
Michigan: $57,273 OOS

It's not that far off from them or from the Ivy League schools.

By contrast, other Big Ten public schools OOS...
Illinois: $36,068
Ohio State: $36,722
Penn State: $38,651
Michigan State: $41,958

MSU is in the same state as UM and there's over a $15K gap in OOS tuition! The gap between in state tuition between the two is only about $2K. But come on, do they really expect anyone outside of Michigan to pay that? How about people from Toledo right across the border? Give them a reason to not go to OSU!

tOSU is hardly comparable to Michigan in the classroom. Their peers are Cal, UCLA, Washington, perhaps UNC, Texas or GT in certain majors. They charge more tuition for OOS applicants bc they can.

(09-18-2023 07:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 07:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 05:04 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 04:56 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  The actual, meaningful differences between a school ranked like, #42 and like, #106, are so minute and specific that they'd never show up on anything like this. For most students, there is no difference...and schools spending so much time and energy trying to climb six spots or whatever is so much more about ego than it is about anything that has to do with student achievement or outcomes. This stuff just doesn't matter.

I think for 99% of the time, it doesn’t matter.

However, I do think a lot of people are giving short shrift to the power of that last 1%: who gets the job at Goldman Sachs or McKinsey and then later runs a Fortune 500 company or enters Congress, who founds (or funds) the next Google or Amazon, who gets admitted to the couple of law schools that produce virtually all of our Supreme Court Justices, etc. Those elite of the elite places that run America really do place a TON of value on prestige rankings.

I don't agree with you. Not that I don't agree about that elite advantage, but there really is a difference between a community college and one of the top state publics. And when the average SAT is 1000 vs. a school where it is 1300.

Doesn't mean someone can't be successful because many are, but there really is a difference in the education. Just like there is a difference between online education and being in a classroom directly interacting with other people.

Oh - I agree on that part.

I was more responding that the difference between #40 and around #100 (where a lot of top publics are ranked) may not really matter in a lot of circumstances and that’s largely true except at the very top. It’s sort of like comparing the bottom half of brand values in the P4 - the differences between #34 and #68 aren’t nearly as huge as the differences between #20 and #34. Now, there’s definitely a legit difference between #100 and a 1000 average SAT school.

I looked at the avg SAT in the P5 a few months ago. Almost all were in the 1200-1450 range, with only GT and the T1 schools above that, and only Louisville and a couple big 12 schools in the 1100-1199 range. Memphis was specifically told that the Big 12 passed on them in 2021 due to their Academics (their average SAT is below 1100). Most people don’t realize just how Academically strong the very weakest P5/4 school is.

(09-18-2023 10:46 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 07:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 07:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 05:04 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 04:56 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  The actual, meaningful differences between a school ranked like, #42 and like, #106, are so minute and specific that they'd never show up on anything like this. For most students, there is no difference...and schools spending so much time and energy trying to climb six spots or whatever is so much more about ego than it is about anything that has to do with student achievement or outcomes. This stuff just doesn't matter.

I think for 99% of the time, it doesn’t matter.

However, I do think a lot of people are giving short shrift to the power of that last 1%: who gets the job at Goldman Sachs or McKinsey and then later runs a Fortune 500 company or enters Congress, who founds (or funds) the next Google or Amazon, who gets admitted to the couple of law schools that produce virtually all of our Supreme Court Justices, etc. Those elite of the elite places that run America really do place a TON of value on prestige rankings.

I don't agree with you. Not that I don't agree about that elite advantage, but there really is a difference between a community college and one of the top state publics. And when the average SAT is 1000 vs. a school where it is 1300.

Doesn't mean someone can't be successful because many are, but there really is a difference in the education. Just like there is a difference between online education and being in a classroom directly interacting with other people.

Oh - I agree on that part.

I was more responding that the difference between #40 and around #100 (where a lot of top publics are ranked) may not really matter in a lot of circumstances and that’s largely true except at the very top. It’s sort of like comparing the bottom half of brand values in the P4 - the differences between #34 and #68 aren’t nearly as huge as the differences between #20 and #34. Now, there’s definitely a legit difference between #100 and a 1000 average SAT school.

I looked at the avg SAT in the P5 a few months ago. Almost all were in the 1200-1450 range, with only GT and the T1 schools above that, and only Louisville and a couple big 12 schools in the 1100-1199 range. Memphis was specifically told that the Big 12 passed on them in 2021 due to their Academics (their average SAT is below 1100). Most people don’t realize just how Academically strong the very weakest P5/4 school is.

Most of the SEC West is in the 1100-1199 range.

(09-18-2023 11:53 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 11:12 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 11:02 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  In the National University rankings San Diego State jumped from #151 to #105. Even with the changes in criteria, that's a remarkable one-year leap, especially for an R2 university. Makes me wonder what drove the change. Is it possible that being considered for Pac-12 membership prior to the conference disintegrating had an impact?

For context, this is what happened with the next five highest rated MWC schools:

- Colorado State (R1) improved marginally from #153 to #151
- Hawaii (R1) was unchanged at #170
- New Mexico (R1) plunged from #187 to #236
- Wyoming (R2) dropped from #196 to #216
- Nevada (R1) improved from #227 to #195

Sure looks like the fix was in...

Every California public school (with it’s a UC or Cal State System school) is going to score really high on first generation college student and Pell Grant recipient metrics and that was the biggest change to this year’s rankings. At the same time, they all were generally really low on the alumni engagement and class size rankings, so that was another simultaneous boost with those metrics eliminated.

My post was TIC, but I do appreciate the explanation.

I see that Long Beach State is tied with San Diego State at #105, and Cal State Fullerton is at #133. I haven't been able to verify LBSU's or CSF's rankings from last year to make a comparison, but I assume both have also moved up for the reasons you cite.

Can we please use the USNWR rankings as equal to NET and RPI rankings? That'd be great.

No change for UC Santa Barbara. They're in the mid 30s. USNWR ranks us in the same class as Wisconsin, Illinois, Georgia Tech, Texas.

(09-18-2023 10:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 03:33 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Also included in the main ranking page is tuition rates.

I believe Frank the Tank mentioned Michigan was more of a private school than Northwestern.

Well if you look at tuition...
USC: $68,237
Northwestern: $65,997
Michigan: $57,273 OOS

It's not that far off from them or from the Ivy League schools.

By contrast, other Big Ten public schools OOS...
Illinois: $36,068
Ohio State: $36,722
Penn State: $38,651
Michigan State: $41,958

MSU is in the same state as UM and there's over a $15K gap in OOS tuition! The gap between in state tuition between the two is only about $2K. But come on, do they really expect anyone outside of Michigan to pay that? How about people from Toledo right across the border? Give them a reason to not go to OSU!

tOSU is hardly comparable to Michigan in the classroom. Their peers are Cal, UCLA, Washington, perhaps UNC, Texas or GT in certain majors. They charge more tuition for OOS applicants bc they can.

OOS tuition:
Michigan: $57,273
Cal: $48,465
UCLA: $46,326
Washington: $41,997
North Carolina: $39,338
Texas: $41,070
Georgia Tech: $32,876 (now this is cheap!)

Still highway robbery for Michigan.

(09-19-2023 04:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 10:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 03:33 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Also included in the main ranking page is tuition rates.

I believe Frank the Tank mentioned Michigan was more of a private school than Northwestern.

Well if you look at tuition...
USC: $68,237
Northwestern: $65,997
Michigan: $57,273 OOS

It's not that far off from them or from the Ivy League schools.

By contrast, other Big Ten public schools OOS...
Illinois: $36,068
Ohio State: $36,722
Penn State: $38,651
Michigan State: $41,958

MSU is in the same state as UM and there's over a $15K gap in OOS tuition! The gap between in state tuition between the two is only about $2K. But come on, do they really expect anyone outside of Michigan to pay that? How about people from Toledo right across the border? Give them a reason to not go to OSU!

tOSU is hardly comparable to Michigan in the classroom. Their peers are Cal, UCLA, Washington, perhaps UNC, Texas or GT in certain majors. They charge more tuition for OOS applicants bc they can.

OOS tuition:
Michigan: $57,273
Cal: $48,465
UCLA: $46,326
Washington: $41,997
North Carolina: $39,338
Texas: $41,070
Georgia Tech: $32,876 (now this is cheap!)

Still highway robbery for Michigan.

Michigan isn’t competing on price. They see themselves as legitimately on par with the Ivy League schools education-wise and price themselves accordingly to out-of-state students. (I always keep saying that Michigan is the snobbiest school in all of the power conferences as opposed to schools like Stanford or Northwestern.)

I think the main difference between Michigan and all of those other schools listed is that those other schools look at out-of-state students as a supplement to their in-state students or may even be capped on the number of OOS by law (such as UNC and now Cal and UCLA), whereas Michigan has long been a more nationalized school that has had a much larger OOS population.

When you ask whether anyone can be expected to pay what Michigan is charging, it’s pretty clear a LOT of people do and in fact fight for the privilege. On the East Coast or wealthy Chicago suburbs, Michigan really is looked at more like an alternative to an Ivy or Northwestern/Duke than it is an alternative to the other Big Ten publics. Michigan isn’t trying to get the people that want to go to Ohio State based on on price. They’re trying to go after the families that have saved up for an Ivy League-level tuition.

OR... you could be like me and not give a pile of dry sh!t what USNWR has to say.

They need to add violent crime to the USNWR.

Diversity is tilted toward states and areas that have it.

SUNY schools are doing well because NY has a diverse populuation. They also I would bet have lower crime in college towns than some of the urban schools on the list. But they don't have big athletics which I'd argue is a distraction compared to a help.

(09-19-2023 06:05 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 10:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 03:33 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Also included in the main ranking page is tuition rates.

I believe Frank the Tank mentioned Michigan was more of a private school than Northwestern.

Well if you look at tuition...
USC: $68,237
Northwestern: $65,997
Michigan: $57,273 OOS

It's not that far off from them or from the Ivy League schools.

By contrast, other Big Ten public schools OOS...
Illinois: $36,068
Ohio State: $36,722
Penn State: $38,651
Michigan State: $41,958

MSU is in the same state as UM and there's over a $15K gap in OOS tuition! The gap between in state tuition between the two is only about $2K. But come on, do they really expect anyone outside of Michigan to pay that? How about people from Toledo right across the border? Give them a reason to not go to OSU!

tOSU is hardly comparable to Michigan in the classroom. Their peers are Cal, UCLA, Washington, perhaps UNC, Texas or GT in certain majors. They charge more tuition for OOS applicants bc they can.

OOS tuition:
Michigan: $57,273
Cal: $48,465
UCLA: $46,326
Washington: $41,997
North Carolina: $39,338
Texas: $41,070
Georgia Tech: $32,876 (now this is cheap!)

Still highway robbery for Michigan.

Michigan isn’t competing on price. They see themselves as legitimately on par with the Ivy League schools education-wise and price themselves accordingly to out-of-state students. (I always keep saying that Michigan is the snobbiest school in all of the power conferences as opposed to schools like Stanford or Northwestern.)

I think the main difference between Michigan and all of those other schools listed is that those other schools look at out-of-state students as a supplement to their in-state students or may even be capped on the number of OOS by law (such as UNC and now Cal and UCLA), whereas Michigan has long been a more nationalized school that has had a much larger OOS population.

When you ask whether anyone can be expected to pay what Michigan is charging, it’s pretty clear a LOT of people do and in fact fight for the privilege. On the East Coast or wealthy Chicago suburbs, Michigan really is looked at more like an alternative to an Ivy or Northwestern/Duke than it is an alternative to the other Big Ten publics. Michigan isn’t trying to get the people that want to go to Ohio State based on on price. They’re trying to go after the families that have saved up for an Ivy League-level tuition.

The state of Michigan has always been expensive. I remember Michigan students coming to Texas because Texas out of state tuition was less than Michigan in-state tuition. Now Texas dramatically increased tuition starting in the mid-80s and they haven't stopped.

(09-19-2023 04:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 10:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 03:33 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Also included in the main ranking page is tuition rates.

I believe Frank the Tank mentioned Michigan was more of a private school than Northwestern.

Well if you look at tuition...
USC: $68,237
Northwestern: $65,997
Michigan: $57,273 OOS

It's not that far off from them or from the Ivy League schools.

By contrast, other Big Ten public schools OOS...
Illinois: $36,068
Ohio State: $36,722
Penn State: $38,651
Michigan State: $41,958

MSU is in the same state as UM and there's over a $15K gap in OOS tuition! The gap between in state tuition between the two is only about $2K. But come on, do they really expect anyone outside of Michigan to pay that? How about people from Toledo right across the border? Give them a reason to not go to OSU!

tOSU is hardly comparable to Michigan in the classroom. Their peers are Cal, UCLA, Washington, perhaps UNC, Texas or GT in certain majors. They charge more tuition for OOS applicants bc they can.

OOS tuition:
Michigan: $57,273
Cal: $48,465
UCLA: $46,326
Washington: $41,997
North Carolina: $39,338
Texas: $41,070
Georgia Tech: $32,876 (now this is cheap!)

Still highway robbery for Michigan.

GT's OOS tuition doesn't matter, nobody from OOS can get accepted there anyway.

(09-18-2023 11:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 10:46 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 07:47 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 07:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 05:04 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think for 99% of the time, it doesn’t matter.

However, I do think a lot of people are giving short shrift to the power of that last 1%: who gets the job at Goldman Sachs or McKinsey and then later runs a Fortune 500 company or enters Congress, who founds (or funds) the next Google or Amazon, who gets admitted to the couple of law schools that produce virtually all of our Supreme Court Justices, etc. Those elite of the elite places that run America really do place a TON of value on prestige rankings.

I don't agree with you. Not that I don't agree about that elite advantage, but there really is a difference between a community college and one of the top state publics. And when the average SAT is 1000 vs. a school where it is 1300.

Doesn't mean someone can't be successful because many are, but there really is a difference in the education. Just like there is a difference between online education and being in a classroom directly interacting with other people.

Oh - I agree on that part.

I was more responding that the difference between #40 and around #100 (where a lot of top publics are ranked) may not really matter in a lot of circumstances and that’s largely true except at the very top. It’s sort of like comparing the bottom half of brand values in the P4 - the differences between #34 and #68 aren’t nearly as huge as the differences between #20 and #34. Now, there’s definitely a legit difference between #100 and a 1000 average SAT school.

I looked at the avg SAT in the P5 a few months ago. Almost all were in the 1200-1450 range, with only GT and the T1 schools above that, and only Louisville and a couple big 12 schools in the 1100-1199 range. Memphis was specifically told that the Big 12 passed on them in 2021 due to their Academics (their average SAT is below 1100). Most people don’t realize just how Academically strong the very weakest P5/4 school is.

Most of the SEC West is in the 1100-1199 range.

oof, you are correct as usual.

Miss St: 1180
Ole Miss: 1160
Arky: 1210
A&M: 1275
bama: 1184
Auburn: 1235
LSU: 1180

I remembered that the SEC avg was above the Big 12 average, but forgot that schools like Vandy were pulling those high 1100s SECW scores up.

Does anyone use ACT scores anymore? Schools around here were using that when I went to school - of course that was a long time ago. I took both but did better on the ACT for some reason.

The USNWR loves them some ACC...

Stanford 3
Duke 7
Cal 15
ND 20
UNC 22
Virginia 24
Ga Tech 33
Boston College 39
Va Tech 47
Wake Forest 47
Fla St 53
NC St 60
Syracuse 67
Miami 67
Pitt 67
Clemson 86
SMU 89
Louisville 189

(09-19-2023 12:00 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The USNWR loves them some ACC...

Stanford 3
Duke 7
Cal 15
ND 20
UNC 22
Virginia 24
Ga Tech 33
Boston College 39
Va Tech 47
Wake Forest 47
Fla St 53
NC St 60
Syracuse 67
Miami 67
Pitt 67
Clemson 86
SMU 89
Louisville 189

FSU actually appears to have dropped a few spots from last year (at least among publics). In spite of nearly every key metric trending upward. I'm curious is the social justice penalty knocked them down or if other schools truly outpaced them.

(09-19-2023 12:04 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:00 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The USNWR loves them some ACC...

Stanford 3
Duke 7
Cal 15
ND 20
UNC 22
Virginia 24
Ga Tech 33
Boston College 39
Va Tech 47
Wake Forest 47
Fla St 53
NC St 60
Syracuse 67
Miami 67
Pitt 67
Clemson 86
SMU 89
Louisville 189

FSU actually appears to have dropped a few spots from last year (at least among publics). In spite of nearly every key metric trending upward. I'm curious is the social justice penalty knocked them down or if other schools truly outpaced them.

https://news.fsu.edu/news/university-new...xpression/

Oh wait...based on a glance at their homepage...this can't be viewed as a positive by our overlords!

(09-19-2023 11:05 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 04:56 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 10:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 03:33 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Also included in the main ranking page is tuition rates.

I believe Frank the Tank mentioned Michigan was more of a private school than Northwestern.

Well if you look at tuition...
USC: $68,237
Northwestern: $65,997
Michigan: $57,273 OOS

It's not that far off from them or from the Ivy League schools.

By contrast, other Big Ten public schools OOS...
Illinois: $36,068
Ohio State: $36,722
Penn State: $38,651
Michigan State: $41,958

MSU is in the same state as UM and there's over a $15K gap in OOS tuition! The gap between in state tuition between the two is only about $2K. But come on, do they really expect anyone outside of Michigan to pay that? How about people from Toledo right across the border? Give them a reason to not go to OSU!

tOSU is hardly comparable to Michigan in the classroom. Their peers are Cal, UCLA, Washington, perhaps UNC, Texas or GT in certain majors. They charge more tuition for OOS applicants bc they can.

OOS tuition:
Michigan: $57,273
Cal: $48,465
UCLA: $46,326
Washington: $41,997
North Carolina: $39,338
Texas: $41,070
Georgia Tech: $32,876 (now this is cheap!)

Still highway robbery for Michigan.

GT's OOS tuition doesn't matter, nobody from OOS can get accepted there anyway.

There are plenty of out of state students at Georgia Tech. Only about 2/3 of their undergrads are from Georgia.

(09-19-2023 11:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Does anyone use ACT scores anymore? Schools around here were using that when I went to school - of course that was a long time ago. I took both but did better on the ACT for some reason.

Midwest traditionally mainly used ACT. South used almost exclusively SAT.

The ACT has gained on the SAT nationally.

(09-19-2023 12:05 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:04 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:00 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The USNWR loves them some ACC...

Stanford 3
Duke 7
Cal 15
ND 20
UNC 22
Virginia 24
Ga Tech 33
Boston College 39
Va Tech 47
Wake Forest 47
Fla St 53
NC St 60
Syracuse 67
Miami 67
Pitt 67
Clemson 86
SMU 89
Louisville 189

FSU actually appears to have dropped a few spots from last year (at least among publics). In spite of nearly every key metric trending upward. I'm curious is the social justice penalty knocked them down or if other schools truly outpaced them.

https://news.fsu.edu/news/university-new...xpression/

Oh wait...based on a glance at their homepage...this can't be viewed as a positive by our overlords!

In terms of that freedom of expression ranking, UVa is ranked #6. NC State and Georgia Tech are also in the same vicinity. That’s good company in my eyes.

With regards to US News rankings, the love shown to Florida public schools is impressive. FSU - 102 in 2010, 57 in 2020, and 53 in 2024; UF - 47 in 2010, 34 in 2020, and 28 in 2024. That’s an amazing climb, especially considering that US News is increasing the number universities that are classified as “national”.

(09-19-2023 01:01 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:05 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:04 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:00 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The USNWR loves them some ACC...

Stanford 3
Duke 7
Cal 15
ND 20
UNC 22
Virginia 24
Ga Tech 33
Boston College 39
Va Tech 47
Wake Forest 47
Fla St 53
NC St 60
Syracuse 67
Miami 67
Pitt 67
Clemson 86
SMU 89
Louisville 189

FSU actually appears to have dropped a few spots from last year (at least among publics). In spite of nearly every key metric trending upward. I'm curious is the social justice penalty knocked them down or if other schools truly outpaced them.

https://news.fsu.edu/news/university-new...xpression/

Oh wait...based on a glance at their homepage...this can't be viewed as a positive by our overlords!

In terms of that freedom of expression ranking, UVa is ranked #6. NC State and Georgia Tech are also in the same vicinity. That’s good company in my eyes.

With regards to US News rankings, the love shown to Florida public schools is impressive. FSU - 102 in 2010, 57 in 2020, and 53 in 2024; UF - 47 in 2010, 34 in 2020, and 28 in 2024. That’s an amazing climb, especially considering that US News is increasing the number universities that are classified as “national”.

Yes, and USF as well.

We were #161 in 2013, now #89 ten years later. That's quite a leap.

https://www.usf.edu/news/2023/usf-ranks-...-news.aspx

(09-19-2023 01:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 01:01 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:05 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:04 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-19-2023 12:00 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The USNWR loves them some ACC...

Stanford 3
Duke 7
Cal 15
ND 20
UNC 22
Virginia 24
Ga Tech 33
Boston College 39
Va Tech 47
Wake Forest 47
Fla St 53
NC St 60
Syracuse 67
Miami 67
Pitt 67
Clemson 86
SMU 89
Louisville 189

FSU actually appears to have dropped a few spots from last year (at least among publics). In spite of nearly every key metric trending upward. I'm curious is the social justice penalty knocked them down or if other schools truly outpaced them.

https://news.fsu.edu/news/university-new...xpression/

Oh wait...based on a glance at their homepage...this can't be viewed as a positive by our overlords!

In terms of that freedom of expression ranking, UVa is ranked #6. NC State and Georgia Tech are also in the same vicinity. That’s good company in my eyes.

With regards to US News rankings, the love shown to Florida public schools is impressive. FSU - 102 in 2010, 57 in 2020, and 53 in 2024; UF - 47 in 2010, 34 in 2020, and 28 in 2024. That’s an amazing climb, especially considering that US News is increasing the number universities that are classified as “national”.

Yes, and USF as well.

We were #161 in 2013, now #89 ten years later. That's quite a leap.

https://www.usf.edu/news/2023/usf-ranks-...-news.aspx

Just a few years ago, Mississippi State was close to the middle of the pack in U.S. News rankings. For 2024, they were dropped 22 spots to a #216 ranking, following a #194 ranking in 2023. That’s quite a drop. What did USN&WR find so alarming to deliver such a very dismal ranking?

If the evaluation by U.S. News is deemed credible, perhaps the SEC school should just shut the campus down. After all, it is in rural cow country in MISSISSIPPI. The state’s name creates a 50 point drop alone.

“U.S. News & World Report is a weekly American news publication. It is notable for its yearly rankings of America's Best Colleges and America's Best Hospitals. U.S. News & World Report is published in Washington, D.C. but headquartered in New York, New York.“. (USN&WR wiki script)

Those NYC executives and staff tabulators and D.C. publishers appear not to take too kindly to cow bells in the Magnolia State.