Jerry Weaver
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RE: Coaching Carousel Thread 2023
(02-14-2024 02:05 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote: (02-13-2024 06:07 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote: (02-13-2024 08:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote: (02-12-2024 05:35 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: (02-12-2024 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote: Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
So instead of trying to improve things, your attitude is f**k it, I give up, do whatever the f**k you want to do. Remove all pretense of institutions of higher learning promoting fair play and educating student athletes and let's just hand it all over to the boosters. Whoever has the richest alumni gets to rule the roost. So sick of this stupid debate. Just go watch the CFL, eh.
I'm not giving up. I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor. I've been consistent about that and have even swayed a member or two of this fine board to my way of thinking.
To act like college football in particular hasn't been like this for decades is to be at best monumentally naive and at worst just straight up lie. The play has never been fair. Whoever has the richest alumni DO get to rule the roost. Phil Knight personally made Oregon a football power. SMU isnt taking a penny from the ACC for several years because the oil money is covering the tab. You're only sick of the debate because you've completely lost it. The antiquated ideal of the student athlete - if it ever existed in reality - is dead. Move on or switch to NAIA. Look for a Lawrence Tech board.
Dan much of your post is spot on. Even prior to NIL and the portal, each fall began with probably only 25 out of 130+ FBS teams having a legitimate shot at the CFP. The playing field has never been level, you are 100% correct.
I do take issue, however, with your statement that "I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor". Maybe, just maybe 30 of those 130+ FBS programs actually turn a profit and those that "profit handsomely" are very few. EMU, CMU, WMU and other MAC schools do neither, tuition fees, donor contributions, ticket sales and state support only ameliorate their financial losses participating in athletics.
CMU, WMU and EMU athletics don't truly compete all that much with one another. They are business partners who compete for butts in the seats and eyes on TV versus other activities the public and student body might endeavor to do. When Noah Farrakhan chooses to attend ECU as a freshman, decides to go to EMU for a couple of seasons and then thinks WVU might be better, and gets to play without sitting out a season, I have a problem.
That kind of unrestricted player movement is detrimental to interest in the sport. As Bob said, there needs to be some structure. Interest in the NBA and the MLB has been waning for years, while the NFL has been growing. Guess which league has the most defined salary cap and most restrictive rules on player movement?
The reason almost all schools don't turn a "profit" on paper is due to creative accounting. Constant facility upgrades, lavish trips, limitless recruiting budgets, etc.. James Franklin landed a helicopter at the high school near my house this season. You can't hit up all your donors for money constantly if you have a ton in savings. The AD's job is to make sure all the available money is used.
The old NCAA Football is gone for good while we're under this current streaming bubble. These networks are paying more for rights than they can earn back in ad sales and subscriber fees. This extreme amount of money pouring in is likely going to burst within the next decade.
For the athletes, I eventually see a union forming where X% of their NIL money is redistributed for future healthcare, disability insurance, long-term care, and a minimum salary for all players. The NCAA is just fighting this tooth and nail so it hasn't had a chance to develop in the few short years so far.
FBS football of old is gone due to greed. The players didn't cause any of this, billion dollar media contracts did.
Very reasoned post. That accepted, do you really think that EMU turns a profit on football and does not due to "creative accounting"? Keep in mind those 85 scholarships automatically trigger a requirement to fund women's sports as well. The corresponding costs of tuition, coaches, equipment, etc... in women's sports thus need to be charged to the football program when analyzing its profitability. It is an entry fee cost, much like acquiring a license is to many businesses. Oakland, UDM, Dayton, Butler, etc... don't participate in the biz as a result.
The NCAA fighting tooth and nail? They have nerf nails, their limp noodle performance in court has been an abject disaster. Myles Brand and Mark Emmert would NEVER have been elevated to the CEO position of anything less than a single unit party store in the private sector, they were just plain feckless. The true powers of NCAA football are Greg Sankey and Kevin Warren/Tony Petitti, and you are right, they have been greedy. Much like the genius Rodger Goodell who has enjoyed a free farm system called the NCAA for years.
I honestly think Charley Baker is watching "Rome Burn" right now, hoping for congressional intervention and a total reform like the one you envisioned.
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