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RE: Coaching Carousel Thread 2023
Dear Bob,
Thanks for the clarification.
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https://brightgram.com/ann-arbor-mi/4080...-michigan/

I think this is the future of NCAA revenue sports. Monitoring the portal, organizing the NIL collective, recruiting, etc... I could see this being a high $$$ position.
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Quote:My head is exploding. Based on this movement, one could reasonably infer that the quality of jobs are ranked as follows:

1) Boston College HC
2) Ohio State OC
3) UCLA HC

Personally, I would have guessed that order to be totally inversed. What am I missing? BC ain't Penn St where O'Brien became a hot commodity. NIL collective? Kelly finding a landing spot just before getting axed? What do you guys think?


The order of preference is wholly down to those 2 guys in particular. Chip Kelly was a dead man walking at UCLA and clearly wasn't interested in the NIL/recruiting reqs for HCs these days. Chip gets to ditch the stuff he hates and focus on the stuff he's good at.

BOB is from the Boston area. One of his kids has a rare medical disorder and the best specialists for it are in Boston. And HC at BC is likely lower stress than OC at OSU. If he gets them bowling they will be happy.
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RE: Coaching Carousel Thread 2023
(02-11-2024 05:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  https://brightgram.com/ann-arbor-mi/4080...-michigan/

I think this is the future of NCAA revenue sports. Monitoring the portal, organizing the NIL collective, recruiting, etc... I could see this being a high $$$ position.
We've completely lost the spirit of college athletics. Can we at least have a salary cap, to prevent the appearance of the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals? MAC football is becoming the last bastion of high level but still somewhat pure football. All the P5 insanity will not effect me in 2024. I am tuning them out.
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(02-12-2024 06:30 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-11-2024 05:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  https://brightgram.com/ann-arbor-mi/4080...-michigan/

I think this is the future of NCAA revenue sports. Monitoring the portal, organizing the NIL collective, recruiting, etc... I could see this being a high $$$ position.
We've completely lost the spirit of college athletics. Can we at least have a salary cap, to prevent the appearance of the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals? MAC football is becoming the last bastion of high level but still somewhat pure football. All the P5 insanity will not effect me in 2024. I am tuning them out.

Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
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UCLA hiring DeShaun Foster as HC.
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(02-12-2024 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:30 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-11-2024 05:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  https://brightgram.com/ann-arbor-mi/4080...-michigan/

I think this is the future of NCAA revenue sports. Monitoring the portal, organizing the NIL collective, recruiting, etc... I could see this being a high $$$ position.
We've completely lost the spirit of college athletics. Can we at least have a salary cap, to prevent the appearance of the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals? MAC football is becoming the last bastion of high level but still somewhat pure football. All the P5 insanity will not effect me in 2024. I am tuning them out.

Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
So instead of trying to improve things, your attitude is f**k it, I give up, do whatever the f**k you want to do. Remove all pretense of institutions of higher learning promoting fair play and educating student athletes and let's just hand it all over to the boosters. Whoever has the richest alumni gets to rule the roost. So sick of this stupid debate. Just go watch the CFL, eh.
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(02-12-2024 05:35 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:30 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-11-2024 05:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  https://brightgram.com/ann-arbor-mi/4080...-michigan/

I think this is the future of NCAA revenue sports. Monitoring the portal, organizing the NIL collective, recruiting, etc... I could see this being a high $$$ position.
We've completely lost the spirit of college athletics. Can we at least have a salary cap, to prevent the appearance of the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals? MAC football is becoming the last bastion of high level but still somewhat pure football. All the P5 insanity will not effect me in 2024. I am tuning them out.

Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
So instead of trying to improve things, your attitude is f**k it, I give up, do whatever the f**k you want to do. Remove all pretense of institutions of higher learning promoting fair play and educating student athletes and let's just hand it all over to the boosters. Whoever has the richest alumni gets to rule the roost. So sick of this stupid debate. Just go watch the CFL, eh.

I'm not giving up. I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor. I've been consistent about that and have even swayed a member or two of this fine board to my way of thinking.

To act like college football in particular hasn't been like this for decades is to be at best monumentally naive and at worst just straight up lie. The play has never been fair. Whoever has the richest alumni DO get to rule the roost. Phil Knight personally made Oregon a football power. SMU isnt taking a penny from the ACC for several years because the oil money is covering the tab. You're only sick of the debate because you've completely lost it. The antiquated ideal of the student athlete - if it ever existed in reality - is dead. Move on or switch to NAIA. Look for a Lawrence Tech board.
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(02-13-2024 08:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 05:35 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:30 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-11-2024 05:37 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  https://brightgram.com/ann-arbor-mi/4080...-michigan/

I think this is the future of NCAA revenue sports. Monitoring the portal, organizing the NIL collective, recruiting, etc... I could see this being a high $$$ position.
We've completely lost the spirit of college athletics. Can we at least have a salary cap, to prevent the appearance of the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals? MAC football is becoming the last bastion of high level but still somewhat pure football. All the P5 insanity will not effect me in 2024. I am tuning them out.

Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
So instead of trying to improve things, your attitude is f**k it, I give up, do whatever the f**k you want to do. Remove all pretense of institutions of higher learning promoting fair play and educating student athletes and let's just hand it all over to the boosters. Whoever has the richest alumni gets to rule the roost. So sick of this stupid debate. Just go watch the CFL, eh.

I'm not giving up. I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor. I've been consistent about that and have even swayed a member or two of this fine board to my way of thinking.

To act like college football in particular hasn't been like this for decades is to be at best monumentally naive and at worst just straight up lie. The play has never been fair. Whoever has the richest alumni DO get to rule the roost. Phil Knight personally made Oregon a football power. SMU isnt taking a penny from the ACC for several years because the oil money is covering the tab. You're only sick of the debate because you've completely lost it. The antiquated ideal of the student athlete - if it ever existed in reality - is dead. Move on or switch to NAIA. Look for a Lawrence Tech board.

Dan much of your post is spot on. Even prior to NIL and the portal, each fall began with probably only 25 out of 130+ FBS teams having a legitimate shot at the CFP. The playing field has never been level, you are 100% correct.

I do take issue, however, with your statement that "I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor". Maybe, just maybe 30 of those 130+ FBS programs actually turn a profit and those that "profit handsomely" are very few. EMU, CMU, WMU and other MAC schools do neither, tuition fees, donor contributions, ticket sales and state support only ameliorate their financial losses participating in athletics.

CMU, WMU and EMU athletics don't truly compete all that much with one another. They are business partners who compete for butts in the seats and eyes on TV versus other activities the public and student body might endeavor to do. When Noah Farrakhan chooses to attend ECU as a freshman, decides to go to EMU for a couple of seasons and then thinks WVU might be better, and gets to play without sitting out a season, I have a problem.

That kind of unrestricted player movement is detrimental to interest in the sport. As Bob said, there needs to be some structure. Interest in the NBA and the MLB has been waning for years, while the NFL has been growing. Guess which league has the most defined salary cap and most restrictive rules on player movement?
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(02-13-2024 06:07 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 08:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 05:35 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:30 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  We've completely lost the spirit of college athletics. Can we at least have a salary cap, to prevent the appearance of the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals? MAC football is becoming the last bastion of high level but still somewhat pure football. All the P5 insanity will not effect me in 2024. I am tuning them out.

Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
So instead of trying to improve things, your attitude is f**k it, I give up, do whatever the f**k you want to do. Remove all pretense of institutions of higher learning promoting fair play and educating student athletes and let's just hand it all over to the boosters. Whoever has the richest alumni gets to rule the roost. So sick of this stupid debate. Just go watch the CFL, eh.

I'm not giving up. I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor. I've been consistent about that and have even swayed a member or two of this fine board to my way of thinking.

To act like college football in particular hasn't been like this for decades is to be at best monumentally naive and at worst just straight up lie. The play has never been fair. Whoever has the richest alumni DO get to rule the roost. Phil Knight personally made Oregon a football power. SMU isnt taking a penny from the ACC for several years because the oil money is covering the tab. You're only sick of the debate because you've completely lost it. The antiquated ideal of the student athlete - if it ever existed in reality - is dead. Move on or switch to NAIA. Look for a Lawrence Tech board.

Dan much of your post is spot on. Even prior to NIL and the portal, each fall began with probably only 25 out of 130+ FBS teams having a legitimate shot at the CFP. The playing field has never been level, you are 100% correct.

I do take issue, however, with your statement that "I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor". Maybe, just maybe 30 of those 130+ FBS programs actually turn a profit and those that "profit handsomely" are very few. EMU, CMU, WMU and other MAC schools do neither, tuition fees, donor contributions, ticket sales and state support only ameliorate their financial losses participating in athletics.

CMU, WMU and EMU athletics don't truly compete all that much with one another. They are business partners who compete for butts in the seats and eyes on TV versus other activities the public and student body might endeavor to do. When Noah Farrakhan chooses to attend ECU as a freshman, decides to go to EMU for a couple of seasons and then thinks WVU might be better, and gets to play without sitting out a season, I have a problem.

That kind of unrestricted player movement is detrimental to interest in the sport. As Bob said, there needs to be some structure. Interest in the NBA and the MLB has been waning for years, while the NFL has been growing. Guess which league has the most defined salary cap and most restrictive rules on player movement?
Well said.
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RE: Coaching Carousel Thread 2023
(02-13-2024 06:07 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 08:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 05:35 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:30 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  We've completely lost the spirit of college athletics. Can we at least have a salary cap, to prevent the appearance of the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals? MAC football is becoming the last bastion of high level but still somewhat pure football. All the P5 insanity will not effect me in 2024. I am tuning them out.

Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
So instead of trying to improve things, your attitude is f**k it, I give up, do whatever the f**k you want to do. Remove all pretense of institutions of higher learning promoting fair play and educating student athletes and let's just hand it all over to the boosters. Whoever has the richest alumni gets to rule the roost. So sick of this stupid debate. Just go watch the CFL, eh.

I'm not giving up. I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor. I've been consistent about that and have even swayed a member or two of this fine board to my way of thinking.

To act like college football in particular hasn't been like this for decades is to be at best monumentally naive and at worst just straight up lie. The play has never been fair. Whoever has the richest alumni DO get to rule the roost. Phil Knight personally made Oregon a football power. SMU isnt taking a penny from the ACC for several years because the oil money is covering the tab. You're only sick of the debate because you've completely lost it. The antiquated ideal of the student athlete - if it ever existed in reality - is dead. Move on or switch to NAIA. Look for a Lawrence Tech board.

Dan much of your post is spot on. Even prior to NIL and the portal, each fall began with probably only 25 out of 130+ FBS teams having a legitimate shot at the CFP. The playing field has never been level, you are 100% correct.

I do take issue, however, with your statement that "I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor". Maybe, just maybe 30 of those 130+ FBS programs actually turn a profit and those that "profit handsomely" are very few. EMU, CMU, WMU and other MAC schools do neither, tuition fees, donor contributions, ticket sales and state support only ameliorate their financial losses participating in athletics.

CMU, WMU and EMU athletics don't truly compete all that much with one another. They are business partners who compete for butts in the seats and eyes on TV versus other activities the public and student body might endeavor to do. When Noah Farrakhan chooses to attend ECU as a freshman, decides to go to EMU for a couple of seasons and then thinks WVU might be better, and gets to play without sitting out a season, I have a problem.

That kind of unrestricted player movement is detrimental to interest in the sport. As Bob said, there needs to be some structure. Interest in the NBA and the MLB has been waning for years, while the NFL has been growing. Guess which league has the most defined salary cap and most restrictive rules on player movement?

ESPN just agreed to a 6 year extention for the CFB at 1.3 BILLION a year.
The Big Ten just signed a deal with CBS, NBC and Fox worth about a Billion a year.
The SEC deal with ESPN is worth about 300 mill a year
ACC schools got paid about 40 million dollars apiece last year from TV contracts.

To quote a grizzled old prospector 'Theres gold in those hills'. The NCAA fails to divide that pie in an equitable way.

I'd like to talk about player movement and restrictions for a moment. I think it's misinformed to say that the NFL has more restrictive rules regarding player movement than MLB or the NBA or to draw a conclusion that the NFL is benefiting from them.

In MLB you need to get 6 years of service in the majors to reach free agency. Football its 4 or 5 years (depending on draft position - not including franchise tags which are rarely used). The NBA is REALLY complicated but you basically become a free agent after 4 seasons.

And heres the thing about those rules regarding the MLB, NBA, and NFL player movement - those rules were collectively bargained by player's associations (and in the case of the NFL - the courts). All I've argued is that the NCAA forces unfair contracts on its workers (players). And it appears the supreme court agrees with me (theres a first for everything eh?)
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To bring this back to coaching EMU has a new WR coach:
https://emueagles.com/news/2024/2/13/gra...coach.aspx
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(02-14-2024 08:23 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  To bring this back to coaching EMU has a new WR coach:
https://emueagles.com/news/2024/2/13/gra...coach.aspx

Interesting Chestnut disappears after one year at EMU.
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(02-14-2024 08:43 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(02-14-2024 08:23 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  To bring this back to coaching EMU has a new WR coach:
https://emueagles.com/news/2024/2/13/gra...coach.aspx

Interesting Chestnut disappears after one year at EMU.

Not according to the website - he's still listed as the TE coach and Co- run game coordinator.

Blaney's gone.

Heard has OC experience which i think is great and experience at Big Ten and SEC schools - including working for CCs pal Tom Wilson at IU.
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(02-13-2024 06:07 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 08:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 05:35 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:30 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  We've completely lost the spirit of college athletics. Can we at least have a salary cap, to prevent the appearance of the Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals? MAC football is becoming the last bastion of high level but still somewhat pure football. All the P5 insanity will not effect me in 2024. I am tuning them out.

Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
So instead of trying to improve things, your attitude is f**k it, I give up, do whatever the f**k you want to do. Remove all pretense of institutions of higher learning promoting fair play and educating student athletes and let's just hand it all over to the boosters. Whoever has the richest alumni gets to rule the roost. So sick of this stupid debate. Just go watch the CFL, eh.

I'm not giving up. I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor. I've been consistent about that and have even swayed a member or two of this fine board to my way of thinking.

To act like college football in particular hasn't been like this for decades is to be at best monumentally naive and at worst just straight up lie. The play has never been fair. Whoever has the richest alumni DO get to rule the roost. Phil Knight personally made Oregon a football power. SMU isnt taking a penny from the ACC for several years because the oil money is covering the tab. You're only sick of the debate because you've completely lost it. The antiquated ideal of the student athlete - if it ever existed in reality - is dead. Move on or switch to NAIA. Look for a Lawrence Tech board.

Dan much of your post is spot on. Even prior to NIL and the portal, each fall began with probably only 25 out of 130+ FBS teams having a legitimate shot at the CFP. The playing field has never been level, you are 100% correct.

I do take issue, however, with your statement that "I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor". Maybe, just maybe 30 of those 130+ FBS programs actually turn a profit and those that "profit handsomely" are very few. EMU, CMU, WMU and other MAC schools do neither, tuition fees, donor contributions, ticket sales and state support only ameliorate their financial losses participating in athletics.

CMU, WMU and EMU athletics don't truly compete all that much with one another. They are business partners who compete for butts in the seats and eyes on TV versus other activities the public and student body might endeavor to do. When Noah Farrakhan chooses to attend ECU as a freshman, decides to go to EMU for a couple of seasons and then thinks WVU might be better, and gets to play without sitting out a season, I have a problem.

That kind of unrestricted player movement is detrimental to interest in the sport. As Bob said, there needs to be some structure. Interest in the NBA and the MLB has been waning for years, while the NFL has been growing. Guess which league has the most defined salary cap and most restrictive rules on player movement?

The reason almost all schools don't turn a "profit" on paper is due to creative accounting. Constant facility upgrades, lavish trips, limitless recruiting budgets, etc.. James Franklin landed a helicopter at the high school near my house this season. You can't hit up all your donors for money constantly if you have a ton in savings. The AD's job is to make sure all the available money is used.

The old NCAA Football is gone for good while we're under this current streaming bubble. These networks are paying more for rights than they can earn back in ad sales and subscriber fees. This extreme amount of money pouring in is likely going to burst within the next decade.

For the athletes, I eventually see a union forming where X% of their NIL money is redistributed for future healthcare, disability insurance, long-term care, and a minimum salary for all players. The NCAA is just fighting this tooth and nail so it hasn't had a chance to develop in the few short years so far.

FBS football of old is gone due to greed. The players didn't cause any of this, billion dollar media contracts did.
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(02-14-2024 02:05 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 06:07 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 08:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 05:35 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
So instead of trying to improve things, your attitude is f**k it, I give up, do whatever the f**k you want to do. Remove all pretense of institutions of higher learning promoting fair play and educating student athletes and let's just hand it all over to the boosters. Whoever has the richest alumni gets to rule the roost. So sick of this stupid debate. Just go watch the CFL, eh.

I'm not giving up. I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor. I've been consistent about that and have even swayed a member or two of this fine board to my way of thinking.

To act like college football in particular hasn't been like this for decades is to be at best monumentally naive and at worst just straight up lie. The play has never been fair. Whoever has the richest alumni DO get to rule the roost. Phil Knight personally made Oregon a football power. SMU isnt taking a penny from the ACC for several years because the oil money is covering the tab. You're only sick of the debate because you've completely lost it. The antiquated ideal of the student athlete - if it ever existed in reality - is dead. Move on or switch to NAIA. Look for a Lawrence Tech board.

Dan much of your post is spot on. Even prior to NIL and the portal, each fall began with probably only 25 out of 130+ FBS teams having a legitimate shot at the CFP. The playing field has never been level, you are 100% correct.

I do take issue, however, with your statement that "I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor". Maybe, just maybe 30 of those 130+ FBS programs actually turn a profit and those that "profit handsomely" are very few. EMU, CMU, WMU and other MAC schools do neither, tuition fees, donor contributions, ticket sales and state support only ameliorate their financial losses participating in athletics.

CMU, WMU and EMU athletics don't truly compete all that much with one another. They are business partners who compete for butts in the seats and eyes on TV versus other activities the public and student body might endeavor to do. When Noah Farrakhan chooses to attend ECU as a freshman, decides to go to EMU for a couple of seasons and then thinks WVU might be better, and gets to play without sitting out a season, I have a problem.

That kind of unrestricted player movement is detrimental to interest in the sport. As Bob said, there needs to be some structure. Interest in the NBA and the MLB has been waning for years, while the NFL has been growing. Guess which league has the most defined salary cap and most restrictive rules on player movement?

The reason almost all schools don't turn a "profit" on paper is due to creative accounting. Constant facility upgrades, lavish trips, limitless recruiting budgets, etc.. James Franklin landed a helicopter at the high school near my house this season. You can't hit up all your donors for money constantly if you have a ton in savings. The AD's job is to make sure all the available money is used.

The old NCAA Football is gone for good while we're under this current streaming bubble. These networks are paying more for rights than they can earn back in ad sales and subscriber fees. This extreme amount of money pouring in is likely going to burst within the next decade.

For the athletes, I eventually see a union forming where X% of their NIL money is redistributed for future healthcare, disability insurance, long-term care, and a minimum salary for all players. The NCAA is just fighting this tooth and nail so it hasn't had a chance to develop in the few short years so far.

FBS football of old is gone due to greed. The players didn't cause any of this, billion dollar media contracts did.

Here's a super cool article about amateurism and the NCAA:
https://theathletic.com/2316801/2021/02/...eme-court/

It's a real neat read.
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RE: Coaching Carousel Thread 2023
(02-14-2024 09:11 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-14-2024 08:43 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(02-14-2024 08:23 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  To bring this back to coaching EMU has a new WR coach:
https://emueagles.com/news/2024/2/13/gra...coach.aspx

Interesting Chestnut disappears after one year at EMU.

Not according to the website - he's still listed as the TE coach and Co- run game coordinator.

Blaney's gone.

Heard has OC experience which i think is great and experience at Big Ten and SEC schools - including working for CCs pal Tom Wilson at IU.

Chestnut was the WR coach now moved to TE. Blaney was underpaid at EMU surprised he didn't leave sooner. Wonder if he is retiring.
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RE: Coaching Carousel Thread 2023
(02-14-2024 03:18 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(02-14-2024 09:11 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-14-2024 08:43 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(02-14-2024 08:23 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  To bring this back to coaching EMU has a new WR coach:
https://emueagles.com/news/2024/2/13/gra...coach.aspx

Interesting Chestnut disappears after one year at EMU.

Not according to the website - he's still listed as the TE coach and Co- run game coordinator.

Blaney's gone.

Heard has OC experience which i think is great and experience at Big Ten and SEC schools - including working for CCs pal Tom Wilson at IU.

Chestnut was the WR coach now moved to TE. Blaney was underpaid at EMU surprised he didn't leave sooner. Wonder if he is retiring.
Shaq Vann just got the WR job at Ball St.
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RE: Coaching Carousel Thread 2023
(02-14-2024 02:05 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 06:07 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 08:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 05:35 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 08:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Oh yeah because it was an equal playing field before.
So instead of trying to improve things, your attitude is f**k it, I give up, do whatever the f**k you want to do. Remove all pretense of institutions of higher learning promoting fair play and educating student athletes and let's just hand it all over to the boosters. Whoever has the richest alumni gets to rule the roost. So sick of this stupid debate. Just go watch the CFL, eh.

I'm not giving up. I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor. I've been consistent about that and have even swayed a member or two of this fine board to my way of thinking.

To act like college football in particular hasn't been like this for decades is to be at best monumentally naive and at worst just straight up lie. The play has never been fair. Whoever has the richest alumni DO get to rule the roost. Phil Knight personally made Oregon a football power. SMU isnt taking a penny from the ACC for several years because the oil money is covering the tab. You're only sick of the debate because you've completely lost it. The antiquated ideal of the student athlete - if it ever existed in reality - is dead. Move on or switch to NAIA. Look for a Lawrence Tech board.

Dan much of your post is spot on. Even prior to NIL and the portal, each fall began with probably only 25 out of 130+ FBS teams having a legitimate shot at the CFP. The playing field has never been level, you are 100% correct.

I do take issue, however, with your statement that "I absolutely believe college athletes should be able to bargain their labor with the institutions and organizations that profit so handsomely from their labor". Maybe, just maybe 30 of those 130+ FBS programs actually turn a profit and those that "profit handsomely" are very few. EMU, CMU, WMU and other MAC schools do neither, tuition fees, donor contributions, ticket sales and state support only ameliorate their financial losses participating in athletics.

CMU, WMU and EMU athletics don't truly compete all that much with one another. They are business partners who compete for butts in the seats and eyes on TV versus other activities the public and student body might endeavor to do. When Noah Farrakhan chooses to attend ECU as a freshman, decides to go to EMU for a couple of seasons and then thinks WVU might be better, and gets to play without sitting out a season, I have a problem.

That kind of unrestricted player movement is detrimental to interest in the sport. As Bob said, there needs to be some structure. Interest in the NBA and the MLB has been waning for years, while the NFL has been growing. Guess which league has the most defined salary cap and most restrictive rules on player movement?

The reason almost all schools don't turn a "profit" on paper is due to creative accounting. Constant facility upgrades, lavish trips, limitless recruiting budgets, etc.. James Franklin landed a helicopter at the high school near my house this season. You can't hit up all your donors for money constantly if you have a ton in savings. The AD's job is to make sure all the available money is used.

The old NCAA Football is gone for good while we're under this current streaming bubble. These networks are paying more for rights than they can earn back in ad sales and subscriber fees. This extreme amount of money pouring in is likely going to burst within the next decade.

For the athletes, I eventually see a union forming where X% of their NIL money is redistributed for future healthcare, disability insurance, long-term care, and a minimum salary for all players. The NCAA is just fighting this tooth and nail so it hasn't had a chance to develop in the few short years so far.

FBS football of old is gone due to greed. The players didn't cause any of this, billion dollar media contracts did.

Very reasoned post. That accepted, do you really think that EMU turns a profit on football and does not due to "creative accounting"? Keep in mind those 85 scholarships automatically trigger a requirement to fund women's sports as well. The corresponding costs of tuition, coaches, equipment, etc... in women's sports thus need to be charged to the football program when analyzing its profitability. It is an entry fee cost, much like acquiring a license is to many businesses. Oakland, UDM, Dayton, Butler, etc... don't participate in the biz as a result.

The NCAA fighting tooth and nail? They have nerf nails, their limp noodle performance in court has been an abject disaster. Myles Brand and Mark Emmert would NEVER have been elevated to the CEO position of anything less than a single unit party store in the private sector, they were just plain feckless. The true powers of NCAA football are Greg Sankey and Kevin Warren/Tony Petitti, and you are right, they have been greedy. Much like the genius Rodger Goodell who has enjoyed a free farm system called the NCAA for years.

I honestly think Charley Baker is watching "Rome Burn" right now, hoping for congressional intervention and a total reform like the one you envisioned.
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RE: Coaching Carousel Thread 2023
Shaq Vann, WRs, Ball State.
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