(09-11-2023 05:25 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:58 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  Nebraska is the most overachieving program of all time. The Big 10 brought them to a harsh reality.

Not really. Nebraska football died in 2001 when Colorado stomped them. Texas and OU owned them and their last Big 12 title was in the 90s. 20 years ago they were well on their way to their current situation.

I can’t remember how that NU team got an invite to the NC game after the beating they took in the B12 title game. It guaranteed a dud in Pasadena…there should have been someone else more worthy.

(09-11-2023 05:38 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 05:25 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:58 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  Nebraska is the most overachieving program of all time. The Big 10 brought them to a harsh reality.

Not really. Nebraska football died in 2001 when Colorado stomped them. Texas and OU owned them and their last Big 12 title was in the 90s. 20 years ago they were well on their way to their current situation.

I can’t remember how that NU team got an invite to the NC game after the beating they took in the B12 title game. It guaranteed a dud in Pasadena…there should have been someone else more worthy.

Nebraska didn't play in that years Big XII title game. The snuck in the back door and a lot of that was because TCU (whom they had beaten earlier in the year) had a game postponed early in the season (maybe a hurricane? Can't remember.) But the Horned Frogs won their make up game in December which gave Nebraska a few more points (like hundredths of a point) in the final BCS standings (due to the Strength of Schedule component) after a few other teams lost (Tennessee was upset in the SEC title game being the big one). Colorado won the Big XII a week after hammering Nebraska, but they had two losses on the year. Oregon had only one loss, but they were an upstart at the time and Nebraska was the dominate blue blood having won three National Titles in the past decade.

By the end of that year, Colorado was definitely the hottest team in the country. They ended up getting beaten up by Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl, though.

I firmly believe that the best teams in College Football year-in and year-out always have an advantage over others. Recruiting hotbeds, more NIL money, tradition, new scheme that catches people off guard, etc. 25 years ago, Nebraska had advantages that a lot of schools didn't have. Prop 48 and their state of the art weight rooms/training regimes gave them a huge advantage. Now every school has access to that nutrition science and have built state-of-the-art facilities. Nebraska has no real advantages outside of tradition. Most kids going to college these days, can't even remember Nebraska being all that good in their life-time. The Huskers definitely have a steep hill to climb if they are ever going to be good again. And now they have to be better than Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Oregon, Washington, USC, etc. Reality points to the best days being behind us.

(09-12-2023 10:18 AM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 05:38 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 05:25 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:58 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  Nebraska is the most overachieving program of all time. The Big 10 brought them to a harsh reality.

Not really. Nebraska football died in 2001 when Colorado stomped them. Texas and OU owned them and their last Big 12 title was in the 90s. 20 years ago they were well on their way to their current situation.

I can’t remember how that NU team got an invite to the NC game after the beating they took in the B12 title game. It guaranteed a dud in Pasadena…there should have been someone else more worthy.

Nebraska didn't play in that years Big XII title game. The snuck in the back door and a lot of that was because TCU (whom they had beaten earlier in the year) had a game postponed early in the season (maybe a hurricane? Can't remember.) But the Horned Frogs won their make up game in December which gave Nebraska a few more points (like hundredths of a point) in the final BCS standings (due to the Strength of Schedule component) after a few other teams lost (Tennessee was upset in the SEC title game being the big one). Colorado won the Big XII a week after hammering Nebraska, but they had two losses on the year. Oregon had only one loss, but they were an upstart at the time and Nebraska was the dominate blue blood having won three National Titles in the past decade.

By the end of that year, Colorado was definitely the hottest team in the country. They ended up getting beaten up by Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl, though.

I firmly believe that the best teams in College Football year-in and year-out always have an advantage over others. Recruiting hotbeds, more NIL money, tradition, new scheme that catches people off guard, etc. 25 years ago, Nebraska had advantages that a lot of schools didn't have. Prop 48 and their state of the art weight rooms/training regimes gave them a huge advantage. Now every school has access to that nutrition science and have built state-of-the-art facilities. Nebraska has no real advantages outside of tradition. Most kids going to college these days, can't even remember Nebraska being all that good in their life-time. The Huskers definitely have a steep hill to climb if they are ever going to be good again. And now they have to be better than Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Oregon, Washington, USC, etc. Reality points to the best days being behind us.

No doubt it will be a steep climb, but it can be done. See us @ UGA. Shoot, look at Auburn. Sooner or later, Michigan and Ohio State will take a big-time tumble from the top. And if Nebraska is patient, they can seize the opportunity.

Having Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, Iowa, Nebraska and Colorado schools together in one conference makes games in that region about as interesting as they're going to get for a larger audience. It gives you cross-border rivalries.

It's rather late to try to arrange it at the P2 level, though. The B12 has it happening at the M2 level, of course.

(09-12-2023 12:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 10:18 AM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 05:38 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  I can’t remember how that NU team got an invite to the NC game after the beating they took in the B12 title game. It guaranteed a dud in Pasadena…there should have been someone else more worthy.

Nebraska didn't play in that years Big XII title game. The snuck in the back door and a lot of that was because TCU (whom they had beaten earlier in the year) had a game postponed early in the season (maybe a hurricane? Can't remember.) But the Horned Frogs won their make up game in December which gave Nebraska a few more points (like hundredths of a point) in the final BCS standings (due to the Strength of Schedule component) after a few other teams lost (Tennessee was upset in the SEC title game being the big one). Colorado won the Big XII a week after hammering Nebraska, but they had two losses on the year. Oregon had only one loss, but they were an upstart at the time and Nebraska was the dominate blue blood having won three National Titles in the past decade.

By the end of that year, Colorado was definitely the hottest team in the country. They ended up getting beaten up by Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl, though.

I firmly believe that the best teams in College Football year-in and year-out always have an advantage over others. Recruiting hotbeds, more NIL money, tradition, new scheme that catches people off guard, etc. 25 years ago, Nebraska had advantages that a lot of schools didn't have. Prop 48 and their state of the art weight rooms/training regimes gave them a huge advantage. Now every school has access to that nutrition science and have built state-of-the-art facilities. Nebraska has no real advantages outside of tradition. Most kids going to college these days, can't even remember Nebraska being all that good in their life-time. The Huskers definitely have a steep hill to climb if they are ever going to be good again. And now they have to be better than Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Oregon, Washington, USC, etc. Reality points to the best days being behind us.

No doubt it will be a steep climb, but it can be done. See us @ UGA. Shoot, look at Auburn. Sooner or later, Michigan and Ohio State will take a big-time tumble from the top. And if Nebraska is patient, they can seize the opportunity.

Heck, yeah, Nebraska can do it. The B1G Ten is not a Murderer's Row no matter how Pat Forde tries to spin it. Nebraska has great resources in this free-agent age, including great fan support and a long institutional memory of how to do things in a winning way. The Huskers really may be just a coach away.

For high-school and college-age students, though, five years is a generation. If you take longer than that to rebuild, there's a cost and you have to rebuild from that as well.

(09-12-2023 10:36 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Having Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, Iowa, Nebraska and Colorado schools together in one conference makes games in that region about as interesting as they're going to get for a larger audience. It gives you cross-border rivalries.

It's rather late to try to arrange it at the P2 level, though. The B12 has it happening at the M2 level, of course.

Oh I dunno.

Add the AAU schools of Colorado, Kansas, and Missouri to Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, etc.

And I think that old Big8 fans could likely be happy enough with that.

Of course, if the ACC schools come available, they'll obviously get priority...lol

LOL LOL LOL. This is really sonething that could happen?

(09-12-2023 10:45 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 12:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 10:18 AM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 05:38 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  I can’t remember how that NU team got an invite to the NC game after the beating they took in the B12 title game. It guaranteed a dud in Pasadena…there should have been someone else more worthy.

Nebraska didn't play in that years Big XII title game. The snuck in the back door and a lot of that was because TCU (whom they had beaten earlier in the year) had a game postponed early in the season (maybe a hurricane? Can't remember.) But the Horned Frogs won their make up game in December which gave Nebraska a few more points (like hundredths of a point) in the final BCS standings (due to the Strength of Schedule component) after a few other teams lost (Tennessee was upset in the SEC title game being the big one). Colorado won the Big XII a week after hammering Nebraska, but they had two losses on the year. Oregon had only one loss, but they were an upstart at the time and Nebraska was the dominate blue blood having won three National Titles in the past decade.

By the end of that year, Colorado was definitely the hottest team in the country. They ended up getting beaten up by Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl, though.

I firmly believe that the best teams in College Football year-in and year-out always have an advantage over others. Recruiting hotbeds, more NIL money, tradition, new scheme that catches people off guard, etc. 25 years ago, Nebraska had advantages that a lot of schools didn't have. Prop 48 and their state of the art weight rooms/training regimes gave them a huge advantage. Now every school has access to that nutrition science and have built state-of-the-art facilities. Nebraska has no real advantages outside of tradition. Most kids going to college these days, can't even remember Nebraska being all that good in their life-time. The Huskers definitely have a steep hill to climb if they are ever going to be good again. And now they have to be better than Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Oregon, Washington, USC, etc. Reality points to the best days being behind us.

No doubt it will be a steep climb, but it can be done. See us @ UGA. Shoot, look at Auburn. Sooner or later, Michigan and Ohio State will take a big-time tumble from the top. And if Nebraska is patient, they can seize the opportunity.

Heck, yeah, Nebraska can do it. The B1G Ten is not a Murderer's Row no matter how Pat Forde tries to spin it. Nebraska has great resources in this free-agent age, including great fan support and a long institutional memory of how to do things in a winning way. The Huskers really may be just a coach away.

For high-school and college-age students, though, five years is a generation. If you take longer than that to rebuild, there's a cost and you have to rebuild from that as well.

Honestly, the tradition is getting to be a bit of a detriment as well. "90s guys" keep sticking their fingers on the program and Osborne wanted to continue to play kingmaker and program builder until very recently. Even then, he spent a lot of his talk with Coach Rhule extolling the virtues of the ex-Husker Rhule was hired over. Fans keep looking back to how things were, in a totally different era when the players' parents were still in school. I think the resources are a little overblown, they were good in terms of Big 8 and Big 12 schools, but they struggle to keep up with the huge and affluent B1G alumni bases. I do think they have what it takes to get back to 9 wins and January bowls, their recruiting classes say so, but it's going to have to be due to selling the program's fan support, and hoping the players don't drown in the fishbowl Lincoln turns into every fall.

Why would the SEC want that dumpster fire?

(09-10-2023 07:05 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Most of their best rivals are or will be in the SEC. Nebraska also use to get a lot of good talent out of Texas. I think the BigTen experiment failed, could be in the best interest of both parties to part ways.

As someone who quasi-supports the SEC, I would say the SEC does not need Nebraska.

Fantasy threads are prohibited in football season.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-976124.html

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(09-10-2023 07:20 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 07:11 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 07:05 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Most of their best rivals are or will be in the SEC. Nebraska also use to get a lot of good talent out of Texas. I think the BigTen experiment failed, could be in the best interest of both parties to part ways.

Agreed this is best for Both Nebraska and the Big10 the question is why would the SEC agree?

17 is a good number for scheduling 8 conference games; 4 permanent rivals, the 12 others are cycled through every 3 years. Plus you add more legitimate games of interest, something networks would likely pay for.

Then the Big 12 could add USF and all four power conferences would be at 17 football members. But what if they want to have 9 conference games? That screws up everything. Achieving symmetry is hard.

(09-10-2023 09:56 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 09:45 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 09:29 PM)goofus Wrote:  But Neb's 2 biggest rivals probably were OK and Col.

The longest running annual game, west of the Mississippi, was KU/NU.

Quote:I would say that all in all, Nebraska fits in the Big 12 more than any other conference

True. And NU would, like CU, jump back if the money were the same. It's not.

CU didn't jump back b/c the "money was the same", they jumped back b/c the money was $10-15m better with everything on ESPN or Fox instead of behind an Apple streaming paywall.

I actually think that the B1G looks really good on paper for Nebraska, but they haven't found out a way to win there. I jokingly bring up "Nebraska should move to the SEC" pretty often, but if they don't start winning in the next 5 yrs or so, there might be influential people in and around the Nebraska program who start having "SEC" thoughts with a lot more seriousness.

Ooohh.

Gimme that easy win.

(09-13-2023 08:35 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Fantasy threads are prohibited in football season.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-976124.html

Quote:Thursday gets College Football Season kicked off in a big way. PLEASE REMEMBER that we will not indulge FANTASY THREADS during the College Football Season. Keep your discussion to real Realignment Events, and Actual Games, polls, etc.

Uh, yes. There's also that.

(09-15-2023 09:38 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 08:35 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Fantasy threads are prohibited in football season.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-976124.html

Quote:Thursday gets College Football Season kicked off in a big way. PLEASE REMEMBER that we will not indulge FANTASY THREADS during the College Football Season. Keep your discussion to real Realignment Events, and Actual Games, polls, etc.

Uh, yes. There's also that.

Fantasy threads are basically categorized by two words which inevitably appear in the OP, "What if" and almost always imply a discussion which is based upon something which did not happen. All potential realignment discussions are speculative.

Had a thread appeared a year and a half ago and been entitled "USC should move to the Big 10" you would have likely called it a fantasy thread. Would it have been?

When a thread presupposes that events which didn't happen did, that is is fantasy. When it asks the question "Could or Should team A move to conference B it is speculative, and it pertains to realignment in the same way all threads about "Will Notre Dame join conference X" are allowed to be discussed.

Secondly, if you think something is violation of rules report the post. To openly discuss a situation you didn't report and suggest it should be moderated is a violation.

(09-11-2023 12:11 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 07:05 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Most of their best rivals are or will be in the SEC. Nebraska also use to get a lot of good talent out of Texas. I think the BigTen experiment failed, could be in the best interest of both parties to part ways.

I just want to point out that, with the exception of a few of Bo Pelini's years, Nebraska never recruited Texas heavily. They always recruited nationally. There is a misconception that Nebraska, like Oklahoma, relied on Texas recruits.

Now, maybe Nebraska would be a lot better these days if they did recruit Texas, but it isn't true that Texas was a hotbed for them like it is for Oklahoma.

It should be also noted proximity matters in recruiting, so you don't have to be in a conference to recruit players from certain states.


Nebraska current recruiting class while in the Big 10 has 7 players from Texas

Texas (7)
Nebraska (6)


https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/S...l/Commits/

(09-11-2023 05:38 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 05:25 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 09:58 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  Nebraska is the most overachieving program of all time. The Big 10 brought them to a harsh reality.

Not really. Nebraska football died in 2001 when Colorado stomped them. Texas and OU owned them and their last Big 12 title was in the 90s. 20 years ago they were well on their way to their current situation.

I can’t remember how that NU team got an invite to the NC game after the beating they took in the B12 title game. It guaranteed a dud in Pasadena…there should have been someone else more worthy.

Colorado spanked Texas in the Big XII title game a week after that Nebraska game. Thats how/why Nebraska snuck into the BCS title game. Texas would have been #2 if they would have beaten Colorado.