(09-12-2023 01:37 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 01:27 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:37 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:27 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:12 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  MAC was 13 all sport from 1998-2002.
From 2002-04 13 all sport 14 FB w/UCF.
MAC has been 12 all sport since 2005 w/FB only 13 2008-2015.

Its been 20 years since the MAC has done a 13 all sport 14 FB arrangement.

We are all more knowledgeable and know UConn would be a temporary placeholder. The MAC could have a wait list telling teams as Delaware, URI, SIU etc do xyz and will have a position if you come up to snuff. Also this time there would be an exit fee sufficient to compensate for going to 13 and looking for a 14th. idk like 5.4M

I'm not sure where you are going with this 13/14 thing.

Delaware and Stony Brook want to move up now the CAA is going to be more chipped apart. Surely the MAC could find 1 more for the 14th.

If UMass goes MAC, Rhode Island is stuck on an island. They have 18,000 students and could handle the MAC athletically. Forham has 17,000 students and a 1 billion dollar endowment.

UMass/Stony/URI/Fordham. Go strong into he NYC and New England market.

Rhody is more likely to drop football than go to FBS.

I'd say 50-25-25 stay at the 63 level in the CAA, Drop down in scholarships in Northeast Conference or move to FBS MAC.

The smart thing to do would be to drop football and add D1 hockey and lacrosse.

(09-10-2023 02:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The trillydonovan account is wrong far more often than he's right. I wouldn't jump to anything.

(09-12-2023 05:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I’d rather have UNCW by a long country mile. I feel like the hype around CoC’s potential has been forever long. Seldom, if ever, realized.

Great food town, though.

Wilmington's market is a quarter the size of Charleston, that is the problem why UNCW isn't getting looked at for this. Even though TV markets don't matter as much to smaller leagues like the A-10.

Also a lot more corporate dollars in Charleston compared to Wilmington.

(09-12-2023 03:10 PM)sctvman Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 02:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The trillydonovan account is wrong far more often than he's right. I wouldn't jump to anything.

(09-12-2023 05:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I’d rather have UNCW by a long country mile. I feel like the hype around CoC’s potential has been forever long. Seldom, if ever, realized.

Great food town, though.

Wilmington's market is a quarter the size of Charleston, that is the problem why UNCW isn't getting looked at for this. Even though TV markets don't matter as much to smaller leagues like the A-10.

Also a lot more corporate dollars in Charleston compared to Wilmington.

I wish it didn't have to come to markets, but, I don't disagree. I'd prefer to travel to Charleston for A10 basketball game or tournament over Wilmington.

To be fair, it's not like CoC has been junk when they haven't made a tournament. Whereas the years when UNCW did make a tournament, some of those "off" years are they didn't were "way off." Just plain bad. Whereas CoC tended to be...meh?

(09-12-2023 01:27 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:37 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:27 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:12 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 10:41 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Not Familiar with a 1 all sport and 1 FB only add before. Can you post as did look at the wiki and see UCF 2002-2004 and Temple 2008-2011, but no corresponding full member adds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-American_Conference

MAC was 13 all sport from 1998-2002.
From 2002-04 13 all sport 14 FB w/UCF.
MAC has been 12 all sport since 2005 w/FB only 13 2008-2015.

Its been 20 years since the MAC has done a 13 all sport 14 FB arrangement.

We are all more knowledgeable and know UConn would be a temporary placeholder. The MAC could have a wait list telling teams as Delaware, URI, SIU etc do xyz and will have a position if you come up to snuff. Also this time there would be an exit fee sufficient to compensate for going to 13 and looking for a 14th. idk like 5.4M

I'm not sure where you are going with this 13/14 thing.

Delaware and Stony Brook want to move up now the CAA is going to be more chipped apart. Surely the MAC could find 1 more for the 14th.

If UMass goes MAC, Rhode Island is stuck on an island. They have 18,000 students and could handle the MAC athletically. Forham has 17,000 students and a 1 billion dollar endowment.

UMass/Stony/URI/Fordham. Go strong into he NYC and New England market.

Rhody is more likely to drop football than go to FBS.

I didn't say add URI or Fordham in FB but as non-FB members.

To help UMass in travel and be a top mid major in that corridor.

(09-12-2023 01:41 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 01:37 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 01:27 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:37 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:27 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  We are all more knowledgeable and know UConn would be a temporary placeholder. The MAC could have a wait list telling teams as Delaware, URI, SIU etc do xyz and will have a position if you come up to snuff. Also this time there would be an exit fee sufficient to compensate for going to 13 and looking for a 14th. idk like 5.4M

I'm not sure where you are going with this 13/14 thing.

Delaware and Stony Brook want to move up now the CAA is going to be more chipped apart. Surely the MAC could find 1 more for the 14th.

If UMass goes MAC, Rhode Island is stuck on an island. They have 18,000 students and could handle the MAC athletically. Forham has 17,000 students and a 1 billion dollar endowment.

UMass/Stony/URI/Fordham. Go strong into he NYC and New England market.

Rhody is more likely to drop football than go to FBS.

I'd say 50-25-25 stay at the 63 level in the CAA, Drop down in scholarships in Northeast Conference or move to FBS MAC.

The smart thing to do would be to drop football and add D1 hockey and lacrosse.

URI almost made the drop to the NEC a few years back. The loss of attendance and alumni donations would surpass.the amount saved from losing 23 scholarships.

(09-12-2023 05:00 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 03:10 PM)sctvman Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 02:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The trillydonovan account is wrong far more often than he's right. I wouldn't jump to anything.

(09-12-2023 05:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I’d rather have UNCW by a long country mile. I feel like the hype around CoC’s potential has been forever long. Seldom, if ever, realized.

Great food town, though.

Wilmington's market is a quarter the size of Charleston, that is the problem why UNCW isn't getting looked at for this. Even though TV markets don't matter as much to smaller leagues like the A-10.

Also a lot more corporate dollars in Charleston compared to Wilmington.

I wish it didn't have to come to markets, but, I don't disagree. I'd prefer to travel to Charleston for A10 basketball game or tournament over Wilmington.

To be fair, it's not like CoC has been junk when they haven't made a tournament. Whereas the years when UNCW did make a tournament, some of those "off" years are they didn't were "way off." Just plain bad. Whereas CoC tended to be...meh?

And with s couple of exceptions, meh meant NIT or CBI berths, not truly horrific.

(09-12-2023 07:55 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 05:00 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 03:10 PM)sctvman Wrote:  

(09-10-2023 02:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The trillydonovan account is wrong far more often than he's right. I wouldn't jump to anything.

(09-12-2023 05:44 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I’d rather have UNCW by a long country mile. I feel like the hype around CoC’s potential has been forever long. Seldom, if ever, realized.

Great food town, though.

Wilmington's market is a quarter the size of Charleston, that is the problem why UNCW isn't getting looked at for this. Even though TV markets don't matter as much to smaller leagues like the A-10.

Also a lot more corporate dollars in Charleston compared to Wilmington.

I wish it didn't have to come to markets, but, I don't disagree. I'd prefer to travel to Charleston for A10 basketball game or tournament over Wilmington.

To be fair, it's not like CoC has been junk when they haven't made a tournament. Whereas the years when UNCW did make a tournament, some of those "off" years are they didn't were "way off." Just plain bad. Whereas CoC tended to be...meh?

And with s couple of exceptions, meh meant NIT or CBI berths, not truly horrific.

Yeah, and two seasons in the last thirty years or so where they couldn’t win at least ten games in a season. But those instances have been in the last decade when they moved up to a better non-major conference.

Compared to UNCW, who has had two or so of those, too, in the last decade (and more in the decade prior), and a few “bleh” ten-win seasons, too. They are either decent or just bad.

(09-11-2023 01:16 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  The A10.

No longer contained to the Atlantic nor 10 members.

In all seriousness would this be a move of preparation of a eastern-based member leaving or simply expanding to 16 teams? (IF it happens, of course.)

Maybe I'm missing something, but I see the A-10 as a lot more stable today than it was, say, a decade ago. You always have to consider any FBS program a flight risk in a conference like this, of course. But at this point, UMass is the only such program, and I haven't heard of anyone else preparing for a move to FBS. And even then, I think the AAC is the only realistic option out there for UMass which would cause them to leave the A-10 without a moment's hesitation.

The only conference that is a potential predator to the A-10 in realignment is the Big East. But there, half or nearly half of the A-10 members have no shot at the Big East due to territorial concerns of existing Big East members absent major changes in the Big East membership. These schools include St. Joe's and LaSalle (Villanova), Fordham (St. John's), URI (Providence), Loyola (DePaul), George Washington and possibly George Mason (Georgetown) and Dayton (Xavier.) In the last case, yeah, I know Dayton and Cincinnati are about as close as Queens and West Orange, NJ, and that hasn't stopped the Big East from having two teams in that region. The difference is that a lot more people live between Queens and West Orange, NJ than live between Dayton and Cincinnati.

(09-12-2023 01:41 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 01:37 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 01:27 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:37 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 11:27 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  We are all more knowledgeable and know UConn would be a temporary placeholder. The MAC could have a wait list telling teams as Delaware, URI, SIU etc do xyz and will have a position if you come up to snuff. Also this time there would be an exit fee sufficient to compensate for going to 13 and looking for a 14th. idk like 5.4M

I'm not sure where you are going with this 13/14 thing.

Delaware and Stony Brook want to move up now the CAA is going to be more chipped apart. Surely the MAC could find 1 more for the 14th.

If UMass goes MAC, Rhode Island is stuck on an island. They have 18,000 students and could handle the MAC athletically. Forham has 17,000 students and a 1 billion dollar endowment.

UMass/Stony/URI/Fordham. Go strong into he NYC and New England market.

Rhody is more likely to drop football than go to FBS.

I'd say 50-25-25 stay at the 63 level in the CAA, Drop down in scholarships in Northeast Conference or move to FBS MAC.

The smart thing to do would be to drop football and add D1 hockey and lacrosse.

Their football stadium is getting a much needed upgrade so I doubt they're considering dropping the sport.

(09-13-2023 06:28 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 01:16 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  The A10.

No longer contained to the Atlantic nor 10 members.

In all seriousness would this be a move of preparation of a eastern-based member leaving or simply expanding to 16 teams? (IF it happens, of course.)

Maybe I'm missing something, but I see the A-10 as a lot more stable today than it was, say, a decade ago. You always have to consider any FBS program a flight risk in a conference like this, of course. But at this point, UMass is the only such program, and I haven't heard of anyone else preparing for a move to FBS. And even then, I think the AAC is the only realistic option out there for UMass which would cause them to leave the A-10 without a moment's hesitation.

The only conference that is a potential predator to the A-10 in realignment is the Big East. But there, half or nearly half of the A-10 members have no shot at the Big East due to territorial concerns of existing Big East members absent major changes in the Big East membership. These schools include St. Joe's and LaSalle (Villanova), Fordham (St. John's), URI (Providence), Loyola (DePaul), George Washington and possibly George Mason (Georgetown) and Dayton (Xavier.) In the last case, yeah, I know Dayton and Cincinnati are about as close as Queens and West Orange, NJ, and that hasn't stopped the Big East from having two teams in that region. The difference is that a lot more people live between Queens and West Orange, NJ than live between Dayton and Cincinnati.

This guy gets it.

The A-10 is stable because so few teams have anywhere to go. Barring a Gonzaga-like domination of the A-10 for a decade (which is too hard in the deep A-10) or adding FBS...

Dayton, URI, Loyola, GW, Mason, St Joe's, La Salle and Fordham are in Big East cities.
St. Bona and Davidson are too small for the Big East invite.
Duquesne has been bad.
ONE of VCU or Richmond could get invited, but not both.

UMass will leave eventually for the American, but they still seem too low on the depth chart for that to be imminent.

Those leaving the A-10 could be: Saint Louis, UMass or VCU.


As for Charleston, I'd think the "leak" would be more someone at Charleston saying to someone that they're trying to get into the A-10 and that leaking out. There was NO LEAK, NO RUMORS, NO SMOKE for Loyola. Just an official announcement out of left field one morning.

The A-10 will add members when they decide "that school is one of us, and helps us."

I think Charleston could fit in nicely. But I'm surprised Charleston would be invited before Belmont.

(09-13-2023 12:53 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 06:28 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 01:16 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  The A10.

No longer contained to the Atlantic nor 10 members.

In all seriousness would this be a move of preparation of a eastern-based member leaving or simply expanding to 16 teams? (IF it happens, of course.)

Maybe I'm missing something, but I see the A-10 as a lot more stable today than it was, say, a decade ago. You always have to consider any FBS program a flight risk in a conference like this, of course. But at this point, UMass is the only such program, and I haven't heard of anyone else preparing for a move to FBS. And even then, I think the AAC is the only realistic option out there for UMass which would cause them to leave the A-10 without a moment's hesitation.

The only conference that is a potential predator to the A-10 in realignment is the Big East. But there, half or nearly half of the A-10 members have no shot at the Big East due to territorial concerns of existing Big East members absent major changes in the Big East membership. These schools include St. Joe's and LaSalle (Villanova), Fordham (St. John's), URI (Providence), Loyola (DePaul), George Washington and possibly George Mason (Georgetown) and Dayton (Xavier.) In the last case, yeah, I know Dayton and Cincinnati are about as close as Queens and West Orange, NJ, and that hasn't stopped the Big East from having two teams in that region. The difference is that a lot more people live between Queens and West Orange, NJ than live between Dayton and Cincinnati.

This guy gets it.

The A-10 is stable because so few teams have anywhere to go. Barring a Gonzaga-like domination of the A-10 for a decade (which is too hard in the deep A-10) or adding FBS...

Dayton, URI, Loyola, GW, Mason, St Joe's, La Salle and Fordham are in Big East cities.
St. Bona and Davidson are too small for the Big East invite.
Duquesne has been bad.
ONE of VCU or Richmond could get invited, but not both.

UMass will leave eventually for the American, but they still seem too low on the depth chart for that to be imminent.

Those leaving the A-10 could be: Saint Louis, UMass or VCU.


As for Charleston, I'd think the "leak" would be more someone at Charleston saying to someone that they're trying to get into the A-10 and that leaking out. There was NO LEAK, NO RUMORS, NO SMOKE for Loyola. Just an official announcement out of left field one morning.

The A-10 will add members when they decide "that school is one of us, and helps us."

I think Charleston could fit in nicely. But I'm surprised Charleston would be invited before Belmont.

Nice post but think Dayton has a shot at the American, if Army goes FB.
Think the ever reducing revenue from the big dance will lead UMass towards the MAC. The AAC is really a southern league. We will not say no, but nothing that is very likely.

(09-13-2023 12:53 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  As for Charleston, I'd think the "leak" would be more someone at Charleston saying to someone that they're trying to get into the A-10 and that leaking out. There was NO LEAK, NO RUMORS, NO SMOKE for Loyola. Just an official announcement out of left field one morning.

The A-10 will add members when they decide "that school is one of us, and helps us."

I think Charleston could fit in nicely. But I'm surprised Charleston would be invited before Belmont.

JSchmack, I always appreciate your insight into the A-10. Do you think Charleston has to actually win in the NCAA tourney to get an invite? The last four additions all made the Elite 8 or Final Four before getting A-10 invites. The league may not have prerequisites, but do they want to see Charleston show something more than just having potential?

Matt Brown provides an update:

https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/status/1...1124670858

(09-13-2023 03:53 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Matt Brown provides an update:

https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/status/1...1124670858

Matt makes a good point in the follow-up Tweet: the CAA kneecapped JMU's AQ access once they announced they were leaving, so there might not be a formal announcement until after basketball season at the earliest. If this is indeed happening, we in the peanut gallery could be in the dark on it for a while.

(09-13-2023 04:35 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 03:53 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Matt Brown provides an update:

https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/status/1...1124670858

Matt makes a good point in the follow-up Tweet: the CAA kneecapped JMU's AQ access once they announced they were leaving, so there might not be a formal announcement until after basketball season at the earliest. If this is indeed happening, we in the peanut gallery could be in the dark on it for a while.

Matt does good work. Looks like he's planning to publish a newsletter this Friday with conference realignment updates on Delaware, the A10 and WCC.

https://twitter.com/MattBrownEP/status/1...9274547422

This January 2022 article by Jeff Hartsell of The (Charleston, S.C.) Post and Courier is interesting when you consider where conference realignment might be taking the College of Charleston in the near future:

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/co...53226.html

A 16 team 1 biddie league? Hahaha.

(09-14-2023 10:52 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  A 16 team 1 biddie league? Hahaha.

Even as an A10 fan, that’s where I fear this is heading. ANY conference can send multiple teams to the tournament, but those teams HAVE to put in the work collectively. I know we know the names and programs in the A10 better than, say, CAA, but, names will really be the only difference. Both will only send one. A10 just has a better shot sending more, but, you have to win the games you schedule.

And last season, CAA outright owned the A10 head-to-head.

(09-13-2023 12:53 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(09-13-2023 06:28 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  

(09-11-2023 01:16 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  The A10.

No longer contained to the Atlantic nor 10 members.

In all seriousness would this be a move of preparation of a eastern-based member leaving or simply expanding to 16 teams? (IF it happens, of course.)

Maybe I'm missing something, but I see the A-10 as a lot more stable today than it was, say, a decade ago. You always have to consider any FBS program a flight risk in a conference like this, of course. But at this point, UMass is the only such program, and I haven't heard of anyone else preparing for a move to FBS. And even then, I think the AAC is the only realistic option out there for UMass which would cause them to leave the A-10 without a moment's hesitation.

The only conference that is a potential predator to the A-10 in realignment is the Big East. But there, half or nearly half of the A-10 members have no shot at the Big East due to territorial concerns of existing Big East members absent major changes in the Big East membership. These schools include St. Joe's and LaSalle (Villanova), Fordham (St. John's), URI (Providence), Loyola (DePaul), George Washington and possibly George Mason (Georgetown) and Dayton (Xavier.) In the last case, yeah, I know Dayton and Cincinnati are about as close as Queens and West Orange, NJ, and that hasn't stopped the Big East from having two teams in that region. The difference is that a lot more people live between Queens and West Orange, NJ than live between Dayton and Cincinnati.

This guy gets it.

The A-10 is stable because so few teams have anywhere to go. Barring a Gonzaga-like domination of the A-10 for a decade (which is too hard in the deep A-10) or adding FBS...

Dayton, URI, Loyola, GW, Mason, St Joe's, La Salle and Fordham are in Big East cities.
St. Bona and Davidson are too small for the Big East invite.
Duquesne has been bad.
ONE of VCU or Richmond could get invited, but not both.

UMass will leave eventually for the American, but they still seem too low on the depth chart for that to be imminent.

Those leaving the A-10 could be: Saint Louis, UMass or VCU.


As for Charleston, I'd think the "leak" would be more someone at Charleston saying to someone that they're trying to get into the A-10 and that leaking out. There was NO LEAK, NO RUMORS, NO SMOKE for Loyola. Just an official announcement out of left field one morning.

The A-10 will add members when they decide "that school is one of us, and helps us."

I think Charleston could fit in nicely. But I'm surprised Charleston would be invited before Belmont.

Not sure that geography isn't impacting that decision, at least somewhat. Charleston is 209 miles from nearest A-10 member (Davidson). Belmont is 309 miles from nearest A-10 member (Saint Louis).

Living down here many CofC fans think the A-10 would change things because of the better opponents coming in.

Last 5 seasons we've had VCU, Richmond, Rhode Island (who is coming in again this year) and St. Joseph's coming in this year.

But the difference of say William & Mary coming in and George Washington is negligible. They think more folks will come because of the higher-profile names.

But CofC with the weakest CAA in a long time sold out almost all their conference games last year with the top 25 ranking. Sure games will air on CBSSN and USA instead of FloSports, but Charlestonians only support winning teams well.

At our worst we still get 3K folks. Unless you move some games to North Charleston Coliseum which seats 10-13K, you're still gonna get probably the same average attendance most of the time.