(09-07-2023 08:39 PM)esayem Wrote:  Whether you like Carolina or not, this is stupid

The NCAA counts on Schadenfreude to shield them from the consequences of their nonsensical and damaging decisions. I will not play their game. An injustice to one is an injustice to all and perhaps collective accountability will curb their abuse of power.

(09-07-2023 07:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 04:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 03:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 03:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm glad they are going to be serious about limiting 2nd transfers.

i just dont get it. if a player gets a better offer, good for them.

why do we demand indentured servitude amongst the players and no one else?

It's not indentured servitude when players can get Million$ in NIL money, remember? It's the pay for play era, just without officially saying it is.

I actually agree that the transfer portal is out of control. Kids were transferring 3/4/5 times. I think that once you sign your letter of intent, you should get 1 transfer but have to sit out a year for the first one, then have to sit out 2 years even if you're approved for a waiver for a 2nd transfer.

This particular story is pretty weird, I'd chalk it up to 80% covid-related weirdness and 20% the Committee got pissed off at Mac Brown for pushing to complete their evaluation before they were good and ready. Other than "Never start a land war in Asia", there are few maxims more timeless than "never piss off a petty bureaucrat when his little fiefdom gives him temporary power over you".

Regular students don't have to sit out. Why should athletes?

When there was no “official” NIL then we could tell ourselves that any transfer was due to reasons other than money. Now? It’s out to the highest bidder. Which, ok, if Michigan pays a competitive amount and you decide to go there, that’s fair, but then you renegotiate. every. single. Year. Really? Pro players don’t do that. Even top coaches don’t renegotiate their salary every single year. And if SMU decides that they have to have you, offering you double what Michigan offered? You still get one free transfer, go to SMU and count your money. But if Houston then offers you 3x what SMU paid and you decide to transfer AGAIN? That’s now 3 schools in 3 years, it’s ok to make this serial transferer sit one single year after going to his 3rd school n 3 years.

(09-08-2023 02:54 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 08:39 PM)esayem Wrote:  Whether you like Carolina or not, this is stupid

The NCAA counts on Schadenfreude to shield them from the consequences of their nonsensical and damaging decisions. I will not play their game. An injustice to one is an injustice to all and perhaps collective accountability will curb their abuse of power.

Huh?

(09-08-2023 04:01 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 07:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 04:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 03:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 03:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm glad they are going to be serious about limiting 2nd transfers.

i just dont get it. if a player gets a better offer, good for them.

why do we demand indentured servitude amongst the players and no one else?

It's not indentured servitude when players can get Million$ in NIL money, remember? It's the pay for play era, just without officially saying it is.

I actually agree that the transfer portal is out of control. Kids were transferring 3/4/5 times. I think that once you sign your letter of intent, you should get 1 transfer but have to sit out a year for the first one, then have to sit out 2 years even if you're approved for a waiver for a 2nd transfer.

This particular story is pretty weird, I'd chalk it up to 80% covid-related weirdness and 20% the Committee got pissed off at Mac Brown for pushing to complete their evaluation before they were good and ready. Other than "Never start a land war in Asia", there are few maxims more timeless than "never piss off a petty bureaucrat when his little fiefdom gives him temporary power over you".

Regular students don't have to sit out. Why should athletes?

When there was no “official” NIL then we could tell ourselves that any transfer was due to reasons other than money. Now? It’s out to the highest bidder. Which, ok, if Michigan pays a competitive amount and you decide to go there, that’s fair, but then you renegotiate. every. single. Year. Really? Pro players don’t do that. Even top coaches don’t renegotiate their salary every single year. And if SMU decides that they have to have you, offering you double what Michigan offered? You still get one free transfer, go to SMU and count your money. But if Houston then offers you 3x what SMU paid and you decide to transfer AGAIN? That’s now 3 schools in 3 years, it’s ok to make this serial transferer sit one single year after going to his 3rd school n 3 years.

Then turn scholarships into multi year contracts instead of 1 year deals

That's on the NCAA

(09-08-2023 04:01 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 07:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 04:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 03:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 03:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm glad they are going to be serious about limiting 2nd transfers.

i just dont get it. if a player gets a better offer, good for them.

why do we demand indentured servitude amongst the players and no one else?

It's not indentured servitude when players can get Million$ in NIL money, remember? It's the pay for play era, just without officially saying it is.

I actually agree that the transfer portal is out of control. Kids were transferring 3/4/5 times. I think that once you sign your letter of intent, you should get 1 transfer but have to sit out a year for the first one, then have to sit out 2 years even if you're approved for a waiver for a 2nd transfer.

This particular story is pretty weird, I'd chalk it up to 80% covid-related weirdness and 20% the Committee got pissed off at Mac Brown for pushing to complete their evaluation before they were good and ready. Other than "Never start a land war in Asia", there are few maxims more timeless than "never piss off a petty bureaucrat when his little fiefdom gives him temporary power over you".

Regular students don't have to sit out. Why should athletes?

When there was no “official” NIL then we could tell ourselves that any transfer was due to reasons other than money. Now? It’s out to the highest bidder. Which, ok, if Michigan pays a competitive amount and you decide to go there, that’s fair, but then you renegotiate. every. single. Year. Really? Pro players don’t do that. Even top coaches don’t renegotiate their salary every single year. And if SMU decides that they have to have you, offering you double what Michigan offered? You still get one free transfer, go to SMU and count your money. But if Houston then offers you 3x what SMU paid and you decide to transfer AGAIN? That’s now 3 schools in 3 years, it’s ok to make this serial transferer sit one single year after going to his 3rd school n 3 years.

Professionals have the ability to sign a 1-year contract. Most don't for various reasons, but that doesn't mean they don't or can't.

What's wrong with climbing the ladder? That's the American dream, no? What do you have against the American dream, Bryan1995???

(09-08-2023 04:06 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 02:54 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 08:39 PM)esayem Wrote:  Whether you like Carolina or not, this is stupid

The NCAA counts on Schadenfreude to shield them from the consequences of their nonsensical and damaging decisions. I will not play their game. An injustice to one is an injustice to all and perhaps collective accountability will curb their abuse of power.

Huh?

In other words, instead of taking pleasure when a rival receives nonsensical NCAA decisions there should be outrage.

The NCAA is taking out their anger on being called out for their inaction on UNC’s egregious grading scandal on Walker. Typical….

More of the media should pour fire and brimstone upon the NCAA.

(09-08-2023 05:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 04:01 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 07:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 04:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 03:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:  i just dont get it. if a player gets a better offer, good for them.

why do we demand indentured servitude amongst the players and no one else?

It's not indentured servitude when players can get Million$ in NIL money, remember? It's the pay for play era, just without officially saying it is.

I actually agree that the transfer portal is out of control. Kids were transferring 3/4/5 times. I think that once you sign your letter of intent, you should get 1 transfer but have to sit out a year for the first one, then have to sit out 2 years even if you're approved for a waiver for a 2nd transfer.

This particular story is pretty weird, I'd chalk it up to 80% covid-related weirdness and 20% the Committee got pissed off at Mac Brown for pushing to complete their evaluation before they were good and ready. Other than "Never start a land war in Asia", there are few maxims more timeless than "never piss off a petty bureaucrat when his little fiefdom gives him temporary power over you".

Regular students don't have to sit out. Why should athletes?

When there was no “official” NIL then we could tell ourselves that any transfer was due to reasons other than money. Now? It’s out to the highest bidder. Which, ok, if Michigan pays a competitive amount and you decide to go there, that’s fair, but then you renegotiate. every. single. Year. Really? Pro players don’t do that. Even top coaches don’t renegotiate their salary every single year. And if SMU decides that they have to have you, offering you double what Michigan offered? You still get one free transfer, go to SMU and count your money. But if Houston then offers you 3x what SMU paid and you decide to transfer AGAIN? That’s now 3 schools in 3 years, it’s ok to make this serial transferer sit one single year after going to his 3rd school n 3 years.

Then turn scholarships into multi year contracts instead of 1 year deals

That's on the NCAA

That sort of thing should be an FBS-only, or perhaps D1-only rule, but yeah, that's an excellent idea. Heck, they could even make scholarships set up for only 2-3 years, then both parties need to decide whether to renew or not. Or allow schools to decide on a player by player basis. Or have Conferences set their own rules. etc etc. Something that is fair and reasonable to both the players and schools.

FYI, I haven't touched on this b/c it seems to be obvious on the face of it, but if the HC leaves then every single player should still be allowed a free transfer that doesn't count against their normal transfer limit.

(09-08-2023 06:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 04:01 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 07:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 04:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 03:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:  i just dont get it. if a player gets a better offer, good for them.

why do we demand indentured servitude amongst the players and no one else?

It's not indentured servitude when players can get Million$ in NIL money, remember? It's the pay for play era, just without officially saying it is.

I actually agree that the transfer portal is out of control. Kids were transferring 3/4/5 times. I think that once you sign your letter of intent, you should get 1 transfer but have to sit out a year for the first one, then have to sit out 2 years even if you're approved for a waiver for a 2nd transfer.

This particular story is pretty weird, I'd chalk it up to 80% covid-related weirdness and 20% the Committee got pissed off at Mac Brown for pushing to complete their evaluation before they were good and ready. Other than "Never start a land war in Asia", there are few maxims more timeless than "never piss off a petty bureaucrat when his little fiefdom gives him temporary power over you".

Regular students don't have to sit out. Why should athletes?

When there was no “official” NIL then we could tell ourselves that any transfer was due to reasons other than money. Now? It’s out to the highest bidder. Which, ok, if Michigan pays a competitive amount and you decide to go there, that’s fair, but then you renegotiate. every. single. Year. Really? Pro players don’t do that. Even top coaches don’t renegotiate their salary every single year. And if SMU decides that they have to have you, offering you double what Michigan offered? You still get one free transfer, go to SMU and count your money. But if Houston then offers you 3x what SMU paid and you decide to transfer AGAIN? That’s now 3 schools in 3 years, it’s ok to make this serial transferer sit one single year after going to his 3rd school n 3 years.

Professionals have the ability to sign a 1-year contract. Most don't for various reasons, but that doesn't mean they don't or can't.

What's wrong with climbing the ladder? That's the American dream, no? What do you have against the American dream, Bryan1995???

In Soviet Russia, Ladder take picture of YOU!

(09-08-2023 06:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 04:06 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 02:54 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 08:39 PM)esayem Wrote:  Whether you like Carolina or not, this is stupid

The NCAA counts on Schadenfreude to shield them from the consequences of their nonsensical and damaging decisions. I will not play their game. An injustice to one is an injustice to all and perhaps collective accountability will curb their abuse of power.

Huh?

In other words, instead of taking pleasure when a rival receives nonsensical NCAA decisions there should be outrage.

The NCAA is taking out their anger on being called out for their inaction on UNC’s egregious grading scandal on Walker. Typical….

Ah, gotcha. I really don't think that's the case here. Are any of the perpetrators of that particular fraud still around? I guess it's possible that they were out to get UNC, but making one of their kids sit out a year, consistent with the new policy of the NCAA, hardly seems like it's designed to punish UNC.

(09-08-2023 12:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 05:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Then turn scholarships into multi year contracts instead of 1 year deals

That's on the NCAA

That sort of thing should be an FBS-only, or perhaps D1-only rule, but yeah, that's an excellent idea. Heck, they could even make scholarships set up for only 2-3 years, then both parties need to decide whether to renew or not. Or allow schools to decide on a player by player basis. Or have Conferences set their own rules. etc etc. Something that is fair and reasonable to both the players and schools.

FYI, I haven't touched on this b/c it seems to be obvious on the face of it, but if the HC leaves then every single player should still be allowed a free transfer that doesn't count against their normal transfer limit.

Schools already decide on a player by player basis whether to renew the 1 year scholarship or not. The schools have all the power and the players getting even an inkling of control infuraites the holier than thou NCAA

If all players are free agents when a coach leaves, you are setting up the situation for a coach to hold the school up for more money. Give me what I want or your team will disappear.

Make scholarships a two year deal with a renewable 2 year option if both parties agree. If both parties want to terminate the contract after year 1 awesome, then let it be broken. If a player wants to break the contract after year 1 and the school does not, they have to buy it out. That way major schools who raid talent will at least compensate mid majors who lose players. Right now they get nothing. If the school wants to break the contract and the player does not, the player has at least 1 year "severance"

Under the current system, the schools are making a 1 year commitment at best while the players are making a 4 year commitment with one opt out.

(09-08-2023 06:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 04:01 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 07:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 04:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 03:51 PM)solohawks Wrote:  i just dont get it. if a player gets a better offer, good for them.

why do we demand indentured servitude amongst the players and no one else?

It's not indentured servitude when players can get Million$ in NIL money, remember? It's the pay for play era, just without officially saying it is.

I actually agree that the transfer portal is out of control. Kids were transferring 3/4/5 times. I think that once you sign your letter of intent, you should get 1 transfer but have to sit out a year for the first one, then have to sit out 2 years even if you're approved for a waiver for a 2nd transfer.

This particular story is pretty weird, I'd chalk it up to 80% covid-related weirdness and 20% the Committee got pissed off at Mac Brown for pushing to complete their evaluation before they were good and ready. Other than "Never start a land war in Asia", there are few maxims more timeless than "never piss off a petty bureaucrat when his little fiefdom gives him temporary power over you".

Regular students don't have to sit out. Why should athletes?

When there was no “official” NIL then we could tell ourselves that any transfer was due to reasons other than money. Now? It’s out to the highest bidder. Which, ok, if Michigan pays a competitive amount and you decide to go there, that’s fair, but then you renegotiate. every. single. Year. Really? Pro players don’t do that. Even top coaches don’t renegotiate their salary every single year. And if SMU decides that they have to have you, offering you double what Michigan offered? You still get one free transfer, go to SMU and count your money. But if Houston then offers you 3x what SMU paid and you decide to transfer AGAIN? That’s now 3 schools in 3 years, it’s ok to make this serial transferer sit one single year after going to his 3rd school n 3 years.

Professionals have the ability to sign a 1-year contract. Most don't for various reasons, but that doesn't mean they don't or can't.

What's wrong with climbing the ladder? That's the American dream, no? What do you have against the American dream, Bryan1995???

Because it's sports. There are certain rules put in place for competitive purposes. This one is in place so that Kent State doesn't have to spend time and money training up a kid for another team.

I also don't get the grandma excuse. She can't travel because of surgeries, but is located in Charlotte. He commits to ECU, then decommits, then goes to East Tennessee State, then transfers to NC Central, then transfers to Kent State, then transfers to NC Chapel Hill, a few hours from his grandmother. I guess I'm wondering...

A) is it just this last transfer that is for grandma?

B) If she can't travel, why did he transfer to the Chapel Hill campus and not the Charlotte campus?

(09-08-2023 12:56 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 06:06 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-08-2023 04:01 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 07:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 04:30 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  It's not indentured servitude when players can get Million$ in NIL money, remember? It's the pay for play era, just without officially saying it is.

I actually agree that the transfer portal is out of control. Kids were transferring 3/4/5 times. I think that once you sign your letter of intent, you should get 1 transfer but have to sit out a year for the first one, then have to sit out 2 years even if you're approved for a waiver for a 2nd transfer.

This particular story is pretty weird, I'd chalk it up to 80% covid-related weirdness and 20% the Committee got pissed off at Mac Brown for pushing to complete their evaluation before they were good and ready. Other than "Never start a land war in Asia", there are few maxims more timeless than "never piss off a petty bureaucrat when his little fiefdom gives him temporary power over you".

Regular students don't have to sit out. Why should athletes?

When there was no “official” NIL then we could tell ourselves that any transfer was due to reasons other than money. Now? It’s out to the highest bidder. Which, ok, if Michigan pays a competitive amount and you decide to go there, that’s fair, but then you renegotiate. every. single. Year. Really? Pro players don’t do that. Even top coaches don’t renegotiate their salary every single year. And if SMU decides that they have to have you, offering you double what Michigan offered? You still get one free transfer, go to SMU and count your money. But if Houston then offers you 3x what SMU paid and you decide to transfer AGAIN? That’s now 3 schools in 3 years, it’s ok to make this serial transferer sit one single year after going to his 3rd school n 3 years.

Professionals have the ability to sign a 1-year contract. Most don't for various reasons, but that doesn't mean they don't or can't.

What's wrong with climbing the ladder? That's the American dream, no? What do you have against the American dream, Bryan1995???

Because it's sports. There are certain rules put in place for competitive purposes. This one is in place so that Kent State doesn't have to spend time and money training up a kid for another team.

I also don't get the grandma excuse. She can't travel because of surgeries, but is located in Charlotte. He commits to ECU, then decommits, then goes to East Tennessee State, then transfers to NC Central, then transfers to Kent State, then transfers to NC Chapel Hill, a few hours from his grandmother. I guess I'm wondering...

A) is it just this last transfer that is for grandma?

B) If she can't travel, why did he transfer to the Chapel Hill campus and not the Charlotte campus?

But if Kent State wanted to cut him after a year and pull his scholarship no problem

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-foo...9767792709

NCAA reconsidered and made him eligible after bashing UNC for complaining.

Of course, now they are blaming UNC for not providing all the information. Typical bureaucracy. But at least they made the right decision in the end.

(10-05-2023 08:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-foo...9767792709

NCAA reconsidered and made him eligible after bashing UNC for complaining.

Of course, now they are blaming UNC for not providing all the information. Typical bureaucracy. But at least they made the right decision in the end.

I'm kinda surprised that they didn't delay the decision until the day after the ACC CCG, just to tweak Mac and his no Show A Classmates.

(10-05-2023 10:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-05-2023 08:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-foo...9767792709

NCAA reconsidered and made him eligible after bashing UNC for complaining.

Of course, now they are blaming UNC for not providing all the information. Typical bureaucracy. But at least they made the right decision in the end.

I'm kinda surprised that they didn't delay the decision until the day after the ACC CCG, just to tweak Mac and his no Show A Classmates.

Your house is in shards and you’re covered in cuts but you can’t resist lol