(09-06-2023 06:27 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  The teams Air Force needs/wants to play every year:

Needs
1) Army/Navy (tie)
Wants/Almost Needs
3) Colorado St
4) Wyoming
Wants
5) New Mexico

They have the perfect setup, a good regional league that gives them their traditional geographic rivals and the guarantee of playing Army/Navy every year. There’s no reason to give up their Front Range schools to play East Carolina and Temple.

^This! I have always said if the AAC wants Air Force that bad, ALL the Front Range Schools MUST move as a package! There was a reason that Air Force Donors/Alumni came at their AD with pitchforks when it was leaked that they were even considering it(Tobacco Road has the exact same issue).

Wouldn't be surprised there is a sticking point that we just don't know about yet.

Add Army then Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado State

- Army, Navy, Air Force, Wyoming, CSU
- UTSA, Rice, Tulsa, UNT, Texas State
- Memphis, Tulane, UAB, FAU, USF
- Charlotte, East Carolina, Temple, UConn, UMass

(09-06-2023 07:52 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  So if Army and Navy are both in the AACCG, they’d play two weeks in a row?

Yes, it would happen.

I know fans generally obsess over these potential rivalry week/CCG rematches and want to avoid them at all costs.

In contrast, the TV networks *love* these rematches. You know what TV networks love even more than showing us as many NFC East matchups as possible during the NFL regular season? More NFC East rematches during the playoffs! If the AAC can get Army-Navy CCG, they can and should take the money and run.

In any event, if the AAC can close a deal with adding Army, that’s the best reasonably possible expansion outcome it could get in this realignment round (short of being able to add Washington State and Oregon State).

(09-06-2023 08:41 PM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  Add Army then Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado State

- Army, Navy, Air Force, Wyoming, CSU
- UTSA, Rice, Tulsa, UNT, Texas State
- Memphis, Tulane, UAB, FAU, USF
- Charlotte, East Carolina, Temple, UConn, UMass

The AAC isn’t realistically going to add MWC schools. If people are going to be rightfully skeptical of the Pac-2 being able to attract MWC schools to create a “best of the rest” league due to exit fees and other penalties, then those same MWC schools aren’t going to move to the AAC for the same reasons and end up in a “less than the best of the rest” league.

The MWC is likely adding or merging with the Pac-2 schools, so that league is going to be quite solidified (or as much as a G5 league can be solidified).

Anything is possible, but I don't think I'd be holding my breath waiting for an Army Navy AAC championship.

I really don't see what people see in the service academies. They will never be a power football team. Sure they have the cool annual game, but that is it. Most talent will not go to a service academy since it requires a commitment to the military.



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(09-06-2023 06:40 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Can I throw some skepticism out there?

This is mostly a question for the Aresco LEague fans, including the Aresco League alumni. SMU, Houston, UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, MEmphis fans...

...how much excitement was there about Navy coming to town to play? After the first time, was it still a big deal?

I have a suspicion that Army or Navy coming to town is a moderately special occassion for the lower half of the P5, in that it's replacing a totally ho-hum body-bag or 1-for-1 with a G5 nobody cares about. HAving Army (or Navy) come to play, with the pageantry and the patriotic hoopla definitely beats having Northern Illinois or Middle Tennessee or North Texas come to your stadium.

So is having a service academy in your conference all it's cracked up to be?

Not part of the group you addressed, but I think playing at West Point would be the more attractive part

W/ the 12 team playoffs coming why not move the Army/Navy game as the only game wk 0. Or them and a Hawaii gm vs someone. Another option would be to have them as the Labor Day game.

(09-06-2023 07:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 06:40 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Can I throw some skepticism out there?

This is mostly a question for the Aresco LEague fans, including the Aresco League alumni. SMU, Houston, UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, MEmphis fans...

...how much excitement was there about Navy coming to town to play? After the first time, was it still a big deal?

I have a suspicion that Army or Navy coming to town is a moderately special occassion for the lower half of the P5, in that it's replacing a totally ho-hum body-bag or 1-for-1 with a G5 nobody cares about. HAving Army (or Navy) come to play, with the pageantry and the patriotic hoopla definitely beats having Northern Illinois or Middle Tennessee or North Texas come to your stadium.

So is having a service academy in your conference all it's cracked up to be?

You have to remember that it’s not always about butts in seats. The academies are attractive members because they draw well on tv since their fan base extends to current and former military personnel as well as their families. Temple vs Army is going to draw more viewers than Temple vs FAU. It’s for noting to do with Temple and everything to do with Army.

Army @ ULM drew 101K on NFL Network. Outside of playing another academy, are they really that much of a draw?

(09-06-2023 08:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 06:40 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Can I throw some skepticism out there?

This is mostly a question for the Aresco LEague fans, including the Aresco League alumni. SMU, Houston, UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, MEmphis fans...

...how much excitement was there about Navy coming to town to play? After the first time, was it still a big deal?

I have a suspicion that Army or Navy coming to town is a moderately special occassion for the lower half of the P5, in that it's replacing a totally ho-hum body-bag or 1-for-1 with a G5 nobody cares about. HAving Army (or Navy) come to play, with the pageantry and the patriotic hoopla definitely beats having Northern Illinois or Middle Tennessee or North Texas come to your stadium.

So is having a service academy in your conference all it's cracked up to be?

You have to remember that it’s not always about butts in seats. The academies are attractive members because they draw well on tv since their fan base extends to current and former military personnel as well as their families. Temple vs Army is going to draw more viewers than Temple vs FAU. It’s for noting to do with Temple and everything to do with Army.

Army @ ULM drew 101K on NFL Network. Outside of playing another academy, are they really that much of a draw?

Maybe if they played a good P4 school. Not Rutgers, Vandy, Northwestern but like Michigan, USC, Bama, FSU, ND

(09-06-2023 08:54 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 08:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 06:40 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Can I throw some skepticism out there?

This is mostly a question for the Aresco LEague fans, including the Aresco League alumni. SMU, Houston, UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, MEmphis fans...

...how much excitement was there about Navy coming to town to play? After the first time, was it still a big deal?

I have a suspicion that Army or Navy coming to town is a moderately special occassion for the lower half of the P5, in that it's replacing a totally ho-hum body-bag or 1-for-1 with a G5 nobody cares about. HAving Army (or Navy) come to play, with the pageantry and the patriotic hoopla definitely beats having Northern Illinois or Middle Tennessee or North Texas come to your stadium.

So is having a service academy in your conference all it's cracked up to be?

You have to remember that it’s not always about butts in seats. The academies are attractive members because they draw well on tv since their fan base extends to current and former military personnel as well as their families. Temple vs Army is going to draw more viewers than Temple vs FAU. It’s for noting to do with Temple and everything to do with Army.

Army @ ULM drew 101K on NFL Network. Outside of playing another academy, are they really that much of a draw?

Maybe if they played a good P4 school. Not Rutgers, Vandy, Northwestern but like Michigan, USC, Bama, FSU, ND

Well, yeah. Playing any of those teams over the air or on ESPN will get you about a million. But Army isn't joining a P4. They'd be joining a G5.

I hope it happens! Another addition that will decrease the overall on-field quality of the AAC.

(09-06-2023 09:00 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 08:54 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 08:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 06:40 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Can I throw some skepticism out there?

This is mostly a question for the Aresco LEague fans, including the Aresco League alumni. SMU, Houston, UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, MEmphis fans...

...how much excitement was there about Navy coming to town to play? After the first time, was it still a big deal?

I have a suspicion that Army or Navy coming to town is a moderately special occassion for the lower half of the P5, in that it's replacing a totally ho-hum body-bag or 1-for-1 with a G5 nobody cares about. HAving Army (or Navy) come to play, with the pageantry and the patriotic hoopla definitely beats having Northern Illinois or Middle Tennessee or North Texas come to your stadium.

So is having a service academy in your conference all it's cracked up to be?

You have to remember that it’s not always about butts in seats. The academies are attractive members because they draw well on tv since their fan base extends to current and former military personnel as well as their families. Temple vs Army is going to draw more viewers than Temple vs FAU. It’s for noting to do with Temple and everything to do with Army.

Army @ ULM drew 101K on NFL Network. Outside of playing another academy, are they really that much of a draw?

Maybe if they played a good P4 school. Not Rutgers, Vandy, Northwestern but like Michigan, USC, Bama, FSU, ND

Well, yeah. Playing any of those teams over the air or on ESPN will get you about a million. But Army isn't joining a P4. They'd be joining a G5.

what ratings do Navy v AFA and Army v AFA make? I never seem to watch those, just Army v Navy because it's all that's on.

(09-06-2023 09:04 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  what ratings do Navy v AFA and Army v AFA make? I never seem to watch those, just Army v Navy because it's all that's on.

I spent a good ten minutes trying to find the ratings from 2022 or 2021, to no avail.

But I did find this link that lists the average viewership for schools in FBS.

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...eca4f6acbd

Navy clocked in at #40 with 976K.

Army was #53 with 681K.

Air Force was #68 with 326K.

(09-06-2023 08:42 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:52 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  So if Army and Navy are both in the AACCG, they’d play two weeks in a row?

Yes, it would happen.

I know fans generally obsess over these potential rivalry week/CCG rematches and want to avoid them at all costs.

In contrast, the TV networks *love* these rematches. You know what TV networks love even more than showing us as many NFC East matchups as possible during the NFL regular season? More NFC East rematches during the playoffs! If the AAC can get Army-Navy CCG, they can and should take the money and run.

In any event, if the AAC can close a deal with adding Army, that’s the best reasonably possible expansion outcome it could get in this realignment round (short of being able to add Washington State and Oregon State).

I think NFL fans are conditioned to accept rematches, though, as all division teams play twice a year in the regular season. CFB fans aren't conditioned for rematches--historically they're just not supposed to happen. Maybe that changes as they happen more frequently, but I have some doubts.

How pumped am I going to be to watch The Game if I know those same 2 teams are just going to meet in a game that actually matters the following week in the B1G Championship Game? Probably not very. (It's one thing to have an early season meeting with a late-season rematch. Back-to-back weeks when absolutely nothing is on the line in the first game? Doesn't seem like a formula for great ratings.)

I'm not sure some posters appreciate the cache the military academies offer.

Air Force, Army and Navy bring prestige, respect, history and name recognition. They are "national brands."

Having Army as a football-only member would be huge for the AAC. It would further differentiate (and in a positive manner) the league from the Belt, MAC and C-USA. And let's be honest: Those three leagues would love to have Army.

Realistically, the MWC will add WOSU. The only counter the AAC can make is Army. If the league can also land VCU ... all the better.

(09-06-2023 06:15 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 06:03 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Still be interesting how they work the Army/Navy game if Army pulls the trigger.

Nobody knows… but keep as is is consensus answer and I don’t see that happening.

The army-navy game would be, by far, the most valuable game in the AAC. It pulled 6.94m viewers last year, basically tied with FSU-LSU. Why in the world would the AAC want to mess with all the pageantry (and lovely Ratings) of that game?

(09-06-2023 09:40 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Realistically, the MWC will add WOSU. The only counter the AAC can make is Army. If the league can also land VCU ... all the better.

Not unless the MWC adds Tulsa and goes PAC-18.

(09-06-2023 07:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:11 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I support Army to the American.

I expect a lot of people will be upset with Army-Navy as a conference game.

Pretty sure that wont happen. Thats part of what they have to work out. My guess is they will go to divisions (Navy in one, Army in the other) and Army will never meet Navy as a cross divisional opponent in a conference game. Instead, they will meet every year on the traditional date as an OOC game. In other words, each will play a full 8-game AAC schedule prior to Championship Saturday---they just will never play each other as a cross divisional opponent in a regular conference game. But what happens if both Navy and Army win their respective divisions and would be set to meet in the CCG? Then there is no AAC CCG that year. Instead---the traditional Army-Navy game simply takes on the added significance of also functioning as the AAC CCG.

For some reason posters continue to rant about the Army-Navy game. The post above^^ explains one way this can be addressed.