Proving once again the ACC needs Florida State to win to be popular.

Last year,
Florida State vs. LSU in New Orleans: 7.55M
Florida vs. Florida State: 6.71M

The better FSU gets the better ratings FSU gets.
The better FSU gets, the more the Big Ten is going to want them.

Lots of people without better things to do I guess. Thankfully I can say I didn’t watch one minute. Games like that don’t interest me.

Generally the media hypes games like this up to the point they can’t possibly live up to the billing. If it turns out to be an exceptionally good I may watch the highlights.

Perhaps I should check the highlights of this game.

(09-05-2023 05:41 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Proving once again the ACC needs Florida State to win to be popular.

Last year,
Florida State vs. LSU in New Orleans: 7.55M
Florida vs. Florida State: 6.71M

The better FSU gets the better ratings FSU gets.
The better FSU gets, the more the Big Ten is going to want them.

Florida State is the Jesse Pinkman of the ACC.

The ACC needs the product, and needs to keep the cook chained to the floor as it's made.

(09-06-2023 07:36 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 05:41 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Proving once again the ACC needs Florida State to win to be popular.

Last year,
Florida State vs. LSU in New Orleans: 7.55M
Florida vs. Florida State: 6.71M

The better FSU gets the better ratings FSU gets.
The better FSU gets, the more the Big Ten is going to want them.

Florida State is the Jesse Pinkman of the ACC.

The ACC needs the product, and needs to keep the cook chained to the floor as it's made.

What folks are missing, almost wholesale, about the current reality is that FOX and ESPN are assembling two super conferences which they will pay handsomely to assemble, and here is the key part, they are doing it by consolidating the top draws due to winning, brand strength, and the flagship status acquiring the most viewers in midsized to large states, and 2nd schools in large states with significant percentages of viewers. And their intent is to have a conference which is Tier 2 and Tier 3 content that the networks need and which they will use to fill out their odd day and odd time slot needs and which they intend to pay half as much or less than their premier conferences.

In other words, this consolidation is about value segregation. FOX's premier conference (Big 10) has long paid out lesser shares by calling it a buy in. So FOX can take some top state flagships without stellar numbers and justify it by paying smaller shares.

ESPN's premier conference (SEC) does not and is an equal share conference. ESPN's segregation therefore has to made by adding like value schools to the deliberately lower paid ACC so they move their higher value brands to the SEC.

California, and Stanford are two such additions. SMU is a market value stabilizer for the ACCN. The composition clause of the ACC contract permitting a regulation of value should the conference drop below 15 members (including N.D. as a partial) is in place to assure that no monetary loss is sustained by remaining members when the exercise is completed.

Medium sized state Flagships which could be involved are Virginia and North Carolina. In Virginia's case it is interesting because Virginia Tech is the better draw. Large schools with solid market share from large states would be Florida State. Brand schools which were winning would include Clemson. Duke is a major brand and top academic school and will rate.

Notre Dame likely isn't going anywhere and in the coming years will have an opportunity to build a conference (ACC) of its choosing.

Those who think they are going to hold the highest valued brands of the ACC in place don't grasp what ESPN has set up through the long term GOR, equal ownership of the SEC and ACC, and the essential guarantee that an ACC without it's highest valued members will earn what it is contracted to earn now so long as they maintain 15 members. The schools with options know that a choice to stay will mean 45% of the earnings of their peer schools in the Big 10 and SEC. They will leave when the how is set up for them.

My point: FSU only seems to be chained to the floor. If 18 is the end game UNC and FSU to the SEC end it nicely. If it is 4 add a Virginia school and Clemson, unless Duke with UNC makes it work, or Kansas for the valuation makes it work. Clemson is a strong brand, has been winning, but remains a second school from a smallish state.

Personally I see a solid path, and profitable path to end it at 18. And if the Big 10 sees it the same way that works.

The question remains what are the inventory requirements that the Big 10 and SEC will have placed upon them by the networks. At 8 or 9 games a week 18 works. If it's 9 to 10 games you are looking at 20. If it's 11 to 12 games you are looking at 24. Keeping some strength in the Big 12 and ACC and figuring in an independent Notre Dame could keep the requirments lower rather than higher. We'll see.

(09-05-2023 05:41 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Proving once again the ACC needs Florida State to win to be popular.

Last year,
Florida State vs. LSU in New Orleans: 7.55M
Florida vs. Florida State: 6.71M

The better FSU gets the better ratings FSU gets.
The better FSU gets, the more the Big Ten is going to want them.

Those were the only 2 games all season featuring any ACC team that broke the $5m barrier, including their CCG.

(09-06-2023 01:22 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 05:41 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Proving once again the ACC needs Florida State to win to be popular.

Last year,
Florida State vs. LSU in New Orleans: 7.55M
Florida vs. Florida State: 6.71M

The better FSU gets the better ratings FSU gets.
The better FSU gets, the more the Big Ten is going to want them.

Those were the only 2 games all season featuring any ACC team that broke the $5m barrier, including their CCG.

Uhm, perhaps the common denominator is why? LSU/Florida:SEC.

What this proves is that FSU brings enough viewers to make games against SEC opponents more valuable than other OOC games and perhaps as valuable as games against other solid SEC opponents. E.G.: The reason the move would be profitable.

(09-06-2023 10:37 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:36 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 05:41 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Proving once again the ACC needs Florida State to win to be popular.

Last year,
Florida State vs. LSU in New Orleans: 7.55M
Florida vs. Florida State: 6.71M

The better FSU gets the better ratings FSU gets.
The better FSU gets, the more the Big Ten is going to want them.

Florida State is the Jesse Pinkman of the ACC.

The ACC needs the product, and needs to keep the cook chained to the floor as it's made.

What folks are missing, almost wholesale, about the current reality is that FOX and ESPN are assembling two super conferences which they will pay handsomely to assemble, and here is the key part, they are doing it by consolidating the top draws due to winning, brand strength, and the flagship status acquiring the most viewers in midsized to large states, and 2nd schools in large states with significant percentages of viewers. And their intent is to have a conference which is Tier 2 and Tier 3 content that the networks need and which they will use to fill out their odd day and odd time slot needs and which they intend to pay half as much or less than their premier conferences.

In other words, this consolidation is about value segregation. FOX's premier conference (Big 10) has long paid out lesser shares by calling it a buy in. So FOX can take some top state flagships without stellar numbers and justify it by paying smaller shares.

ESPN's premier conference (SEC) does not and is an equal share conference. ESPN's segregation therefore has to made by adding like value schools to the deliberately lower paid ACC so they move their higher value brands to the SEC.

California, and Stanford are two such additions. SMU is a market value stabilizer for the ACCN. The composition clause of the ACC contract permitting a regulation of value should the conference drop below 15 members (including N.D. as a partial) is in place to assure that no monetary loss is sustained by remaining members when the exercise is completed.

Medium sized state Flagships which could be involved are Virginia and North Carolina. In Virginia's case it is interesting because Virginia Tech is the better draw. Large schools with solid market share from large states would be Florida State. Brand schools which were winning would include Clemson. Duke is a major brand and top academic school and will rate.

Notre Dame likely isn't going anywhere and in the coming years will have an opportunity to build a conference (ACC) of its choosing.

Those who think they are going to hold the highest valued brands of the ACC in place don't grasp what ESPN has set up through the long term GOR, equal ownership of the SEC and ACC, and the essential guarantee that an ACC without it's highest valued members will earn what it is contracted to earn now so long as they maintain 15 members. The schools with options know that a choice to stay will mean 45% of the earnings of their peer schools in the Big 10 and SEC. They will leave when the how is set up for them.

My point: FSU only seems to be chained to the floor. If 18 is the end game UNC and FSU to the SEC end it nicely. If it is 4 add a Virginia school and Clemson, unless Duke with UNC makes it work, or Kansas for the valuation makes it work. Clemson is a strong brand, has been winning, but remains a second school from a smallish state.

Personally I see a solid path, and profitable path to end it at 18. And if the Big 10 sees it the same way that works.

The question remains what are the inventory requirements that the Big 10 and SEC will have placed upon them by the networks. At 8 or 9 games a week 18 works. If it's 9 to 10 games you are looking at 20. If it's 11 to 12 games you are looking at 24. Keeping some strength in the Big 12 and ACC and figuring in an independent Notre Dame could keep the requirments lower rather than higher. We'll see.

What did you think about that TCU-CU game and its gargantuan ratings? I know it's just one game, but TCU also pulled 9.41m in the Big 12 CCG last fall. My thought is that if they keep this up, they're going to end up in the SEC instead of an ACC throw-in. Of course, the Big 12 is so evenly balanced that TCU also might go 6-6 for the next decade.

(09-06-2023 01:27 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 10:37 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-06-2023 07:36 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 05:41 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Proving once again the ACC needs Florida State to win to be popular.

Last year,
Florida State vs. LSU in New Orleans: 7.55M
Florida vs. Florida State: 6.71M

The better FSU gets the better ratings FSU gets.
The better FSU gets, the more the Big Ten is going to want them.

Florida State is the Jesse Pinkman of the ACC.

The ACC needs the product, and needs to keep the cook chained to the floor as it's made.

What folks are missing, almost wholesale, about the current reality is that FOX and ESPN are assembling two super conferences which they will pay handsomely to assemble, and here is the key part, they are doing it by consolidating the top draws due to winning, brand strength, and the flagship status acquiring the most viewers in midsized to large states, and 2nd schools in large states with significant percentages of viewers. And their intent is to have a conference which is Tier 2 and Tier 3 content that the networks need and which they will use to fill out their odd day and odd time slot needs and which they intend to pay half as much or less than their premier conferences.

In other words, this consolidation is about value segregation. FOX's premier conference (Big 10) has long paid out lesser shares by calling it a buy in. So FOX can take some top state flagships without stellar numbers and justify it by paying smaller shares.

ESPN's premier conference (SEC) does not and is an equal share conference. ESPN's segregation therefore has to made by adding like value schools to the deliberately lower paid ACC so they move their higher value brands to the SEC.

California, and Stanford are two such additions. SMU is a market value stabilizer for the ACCN. The composition clause of the ACC contract permitting a regulation of value should the conference drop below 15 members (including N.D. as a partial) is in place to assure that no monetary loss is sustained by remaining members when the exercise is completed.

Medium sized state Flagships which could be involved are Virginia and North Carolina. In Virginia's case it is interesting because Virginia Tech is the better draw. Large schools with solid market share from large states would be Florida State. Brand schools which were winning would include Clemson. Duke is a major brand and top academic school and will rate.

Notre Dame likely isn't going anywhere and in the coming years will have an opportunity to build a conference (ACC) of its choosing.

Those who think they are going to hold the highest valued brands of the ACC in place don't grasp what ESPN has set up through the long term GOR, equal ownership of the SEC and ACC, and the essential guarantee that an ACC without it's highest valued members will earn what it is contracted to earn now so long as they maintain 15 members. The schools with options know that a choice to stay will mean 45% of the earnings of their peer schools in the Big 10 and SEC. They will leave when the how is set up for them.

My point: FSU only seems to be chained to the floor. If 18 is the end game UNC and FSU to the SEC end it nicely. If it is 4 add a Virginia school and Clemson, unless Duke with UNC makes it work, or Kansas for the valuation makes it work. Clemson is a strong brand, has been winning, but remains a second school from a smallish state.

Personally I see a solid path, and profitable path to end it at 18. And if the Big 10 sees it the same way that works.

The question remains what are the inventory requirements that the Big 10 and SEC will have placed upon them by the networks. At 8 or 9 games a week 18 works. If it's 9 to 10 games you are looking at 20. If it's 11 to 12 games you are looking at 24. Keeping some strength in the Big 12 and ACC and figuring in an independent Notre Dame could keep the requirments lower rather than higher. We'll see.

What did you think about that TCU-CU game and its gargantuan ratings? I know it's just one game, but TCU also pulled 9.41m in the Big 12 CCG last fall. My thought is that if they keep this up, they're going to end up in the SEC instead of an ACC throw-in. Of course, the Big 12 is so evenly balanced that TCU also might go 6-6 for the next decade.

Bryan, T.C.U. has the metrics to be considered for the SEC. The question is whether Texas A&M, Texas and Oklahoma want them to have equal branding when recruiting not only DFW but the rest of Texas and Oklahoma. My feeling is that none of those 3 want to elevate them. They won't say it publicly, but they would vote it privately. Not a blackball, just turf protection.

Look at what the SEC has done thus far. State Flagships AAU where they can get them, and the only second state schools will come in Large states possibly with North Carolina excepted, possibly? Now if Vandy dropped out and the SEC wanted/needed a private for FOIA reasons TCU vs Miami would be a compelling argument.

(09-05-2023 12:14 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 09:30 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  Yep. And in the meantime, we can compare it to the 2022 regular season's Top Ten:

1. Michigan at Ohio State — 17.14M
2. Tennessee at Georgia — 13.06M
3. Alabama at Tennessee — 11.56M
4. Alabama at Texas — 10.60M
5. Notre Dame vs. Ohio State — 10.53M
6. Alabama at Mississippi — 8.71M
7. Ohio State at Penn State — 8.27M
8. Alabama at LSU — 7.58M
9. Florida State vs. LSU — 7.55M
10. Texas A&M at Alabama — 7.15M

It would have been handily in the Top 6 against all of 2022 even with the Disney/Spectrum debacle!

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...eca4f6acbd

Well looky who just tweeted something so eerily similar just 10 minutes after my post...what are the odds?! He should have at least referenced the source data that I pulled the numbers from.

It seems @Genetics56 isn't beyond doing a little cloning.

B1G Ten interest is all to the good, though, I'd say.

(09-07-2023 09:09 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  It seems @Genetics56 isn't beyond doing a little cloning.

B1G Ten interest is all to the good, though, I'd say.

No doubt about it. I have been surprised by the amount of continuous chatter (often from reputable sources) regarding FSU to the B1G. Especially given FSU being such an obvious SEC fit/location plus ESPN holding a clear upper-hand on FOX. It feels like there is either some credence to it or it's a misdirect. Even if we believe that the GOR isn't iron-clad...it still seems like an extreme long-shot. It would require thinking that ESPN/SEC would allow it to happen.

Or maybe it's just BS that's gained enough traction to not go away. And the B1G powers-that-be don't feel compelled to squash the notion.

(09-07-2023 02:16 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 09:09 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  It seems @Genetics56 isn't beyond doing a little cloning.

B1G Ten interest is all to the good, though, I'd say.

No doubt about it. I have been surprised by the amount of continuous chatter (often from reputable sources) regarding FSU to the B1G. Especially given FSU being such an obvious SEC fit/location plus ESPN holding a clear upper-hand on FOX. It feels like there is either some credence to it or it's a misdirect. Even if we believe that the GOR isn't iron-clad...it still seems like an extreme long-shot. It would require thinking that ESPN/SEC would allow it to happen.

Or maybe it's just BS that's gained enough traction to not go away. And the B1G powers-that-be don't feel compelled to squash the notion.

Genetics 56 is one of those Big 10 social influencers. "She" was banned here under the name of Nebraskafaniwi, banned at many other sites under that name and Texasfaninwi, and at one site her IP was traced back to the Big 10. She is Jessica and now operates as Genetics 56. Another somewhat less reputable influencer than Fluguar. Wholly specious boys and girls. Grain of salt time!

And to G&B it is a misdirect, as was the Clemson chatter distributed by the same and Fluguar. If the SEC (in the mind of Gen56) spends two slots on Clemson and FSU that's two less to use on Virginia and North Carolina, or Miami. There's your misdirect.

I speak every now and then with a guy in the Big 10 who is at one of their schools and on the athletic committee. There is no interest in the Big 10 in Clemson. There has been a desire to get into Florida, and if FSU is taken by the SEC they believe Miami who is AAU will be available. It's as simple as that. The hilarious aspect to this is that if the SEC did take ACC schools, and ESPN wanted to shelter their most valuable ACC brands in another conference where they hold 100% of the rights, who would they likely take? Clemson and FSU, regardless of current records, are the best two football draws. North Carolina and Duke are the best two basketball draws. IMO there's your likeliest cadre to the SEC from the ACC. If the Big 10 took Virginia skipped over North Carolina and took Georgia Tech, skipped over most of Florida and took Miami, the SEC wouldn't care. My point is the whole line of chatter is unnecessary on top of being ridiculous.

I believe the SEC would prefer Florida State due to geography, ratings and the % of instate viewership. North Carolina is a no brainer. Slive was willing to take Duke in 2011, but allegedly this is just about football now. If so the next logical choice is Virginia Tech. Clemson likely gets in because they are a top draw, but they aren't delivering the SEC but 2.5 million in state viewers. If there is 1 of those 4 (and I'm including Va Tech instead of Duke) that I'm not 100% sold on it's Clemson. Maybe Miami would be a better strategic move to 20. Clemson isn't going anywhere and if there is a move to 22 or 24 then Clemson makes total sense with one of several other possibilities. We'll see. But Gentetics 56 is a waste of time.

(09-07-2023 02:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 02:16 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 09:09 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  It seems @Genetics56 isn't beyond doing a little cloning.

B1G Ten interest is all to the good, though, I'd say.

No doubt about it. I have been surprised by the amount of continuous chatter (often from reputable sources) regarding FSU to the B1G. Especially given FSU being such an obvious SEC fit/location plus ESPN holding a clear upper-hand on FOX. It feels like there is either some credence to it or it's a misdirect. Even if we believe that the GOR isn't iron-clad...it still seems like an extreme long-shot. It would require thinking that ESPN/SEC would allow it to happen.

Or maybe it's just BS that's gained enough traction to not go away. And the B1G powers-that-be don't feel compelled to squash the notion.

Genetics 56 is one of those Big 10 social influencers. "She" was banned here under the name of Nebraskafaniwi, banned at many other sites under that name and Texasfaninwi, and at one site her IP was traced back to the Big 10. She is Jessica and now operates as Genetics 56. Another somewhat less reputable influencer than Fluguar. Wholly specious boys and girls. Grain of salt time!

And to G&B it is a misdirect, as was the Clemson chatter distributed by the same and Fluguar. If the SEC (in the mind of Gen56) spends two slots on Clemson and FSU that's two less to use on Virginia and North Carolina, or Miami. There's your misdirect.

I speak every now and then with a guy in the Big 10 who is at one of their schools and on the athletic committee. There is no interest in the Big 10 in Clemson. There has been a desire to get into Florida, and if FSU is taken by the SEC they believe Miami who is AAU will be available. It's as simple as that. The hilarious aspect to this is that if the SEC did take ACC schools, and ESPN wanted to shelter their most valuable ACC brands in another conference where they hold 100% of the rights, who would they likely take? Clemson and FSU, regardless of current records, are the best two football draws. North Carolina and Duke are the best two basketball draws. IMO there's your likeliest cadre to the SEC from the ACC. If the Big 10 took Virginia skipped over North Carolina and took Georgia Tech, skipped over most of Florida and took Miami, the SEC wouldn't care. My point is the whole line of chatter is unnecessary on top of being ridiculous.

I believe the SEC would prefer Florida State due to geography, ratings and the % of instate viewership. North Carolina is a no brainer. Slive was willing to take Duke in 2011, but allegedly this is just about football now. If so the next logical choice is Virginia Tech. Clemson likely gets in because they are a top draw, but they aren't delivering the SEC but 2.5 million in state viewers. If there is 1 of those 4 (and I'm including Va Tech instead of Duke) that I'm not 100% sold on it's Clemson. Maybe Miami would be a better strategic move to 20. Clemson isn't going anywhere and if there is a move to 22 or 24 then Clemson makes total sense with one of several other possibilities. We'll see. But Gentetics 56 is a waste of time.

That all makes sense. For the record, I don't put any stock into G56. My "sources" are friends in Tallahassee that just get wind of things in the hallways and watering holes. Maybe the influencers are more effective than I give them credit for!

(09-07-2023 03:06 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 02:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 02:16 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-07-2023 09:09 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  It seems @Genetics56 isn't beyond doing a little cloning.

B1G Ten interest is all to the good, though, I'd say.

No doubt about it. I have been surprised by the amount of continuous chatter (often from reputable sources) regarding FSU to the B1G. Especially given FSU being such an obvious SEC fit/location plus ESPN holding a clear upper-hand on FOX. It feels like there is either some credence to it or it's a misdirect. Even if we believe that the GOR isn't iron-clad...it still seems like an extreme long-shot. It would require thinking that ESPN/SEC would allow it to happen.

Or maybe it's just BS that's gained enough traction to not go away. And the B1G powers-that-be don't feel compelled to squash the notion.

Genetics 56 is one of those Big 10 social influencers. "She" was banned here under the name of Nebraskafaniwi, banned at many other sites under that name and Texasfaninwi, and at one site her IP was traced back to the Big 10. She is Jessica and now operates as Genetics 56. Another somewhat less reputable influencer than Fluguar. Wholly specious boys and girls. Grain of salt time!

And to G&B it is a misdirect, as was the Clemson chatter distributed by the same and Fluguar. If the SEC (in the mind of Gen56) spends two slots on Clemson and FSU that's two less to use on Virginia and North Carolina, or Miami. There's your misdirect.

I speak every now and then with a guy in the Big 10 who is at one of their schools and on the athletic committee. There is no interest in the Big 10 in Clemson. There has been a desire to get into Florida, and if FSU is taken by the SEC they believe Miami who is AAU will be available. It's as simple as that. The hilarious aspect to this is that if the SEC did take ACC schools, and ESPN wanted to shelter their most valuable ACC brands in another conference where they hold 100% of the rights, who would they likely take? Clemson and FSU, regardless of current records, are the best two football draws. North Carolina and Duke are the best two basketball draws. IMO there's your likeliest cadre to the SEC from the ACC. If the Big 10 took Virginia skipped over North Carolina and took Georgia Tech, skipped over most of Florida and took Miami, the SEC wouldn't care. My point is the whole line of chatter is unnecessary on top of being ridiculous.

I believe the SEC would prefer Florida State due to geography, ratings and the % of instate viewership. North Carolina is a no brainer. Slive was willing to take Duke in 2011, but allegedly this is just about football now. If so the next logical choice is Virginia Tech. Clemson likely gets in because they are a top draw, but they aren't delivering the SEC but 2.5 million in state viewers. If there is 1 of those 4 (and I'm including Va Tech instead of Duke) that I'm not 100% sold on it's Clemson. Maybe Miami would be a better strategic move to 20. Clemson isn't going anywhere and if there is a move to 22 or 24 then Clemson makes total sense with one of several other possibilities. We'll see. But Gentetics 56 is a waste of time.

That all makes sense. For the record, I don't put any stock into G56. My "sources" are friends in Tallahassee that just get wind of things in the hallways and watering holes. Maybe the influencers are more effective than I give them credit for!

They weren't when used at Land Thieves, then Dirt Burglars, Shaggo Bevo then Hairy Bovine or whatever they called it, but the were when first used on a Maryland site. I find the notion absurd. Wouldn't have believed it until the trace one of those sites ran.

South Carolina wants Clemson in. That's the biggest reason I put them so high in the probability range. Stadium size, attendance, national draw are all strong enough. They are only hampered by being the 2nd school in a small state. I think they are safe, I just wouldn't put it at 100%. The only way I would see FSU and Clemson getting bumped would be something wholly unthinkable, like Ohio State and Notre Dame wanting in. There is nobody else out there that brings us the level of penetration in Florida and gives us a 2nd school for scheduling. FSU is the no brainer for the SEC. North Carolina is as well. Beyond that it's the best of the rest which add.

(09-05-2023 11:38 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 10:41 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 10:02 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 08:55 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(09-05-2023 08:46 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  2 top 10 teams in a great exclusive time slot. Not surprised of the numbers.

2022 ACC Championships game only got 3.47 M Viewers that feature 2 of the bigger ACC brands in Clemson vs North Carolina.

That's a pretty big gap.

the 2022 ACC championship game was up against the Big 10 championship game and didn't have any playoff implications tied to the game,
its a disingenuous comparison

The pay disparity between the ACC and the P2 will ensure this is the norm as the years wear on.

TCU-KSU pulled in 9.41m viewers. It wasn't about the Conference payouts.

Replying to the previous post, perhaps that was an unfair comparison. Let's look at the previous ACC title game. Oh, wait, that was only 2.7m and was in fact watched by fewer viewers than the AAC title game.

...and the ACC CG before that (Clemson vs Notre Dame) didn't matter because both teams were IN, so the last time an ACC CG impacted the playoffs was probably 2017 Clemson vs Miami - that was a "win and you're in". That one drew 3.2 rating and 5.428M viewers (compared to B1G CCG between Ohio State and Wisconsin - also a "win and you're in" afair, IIRC - which drew 7.3 rating and 12.918M viewers).

The last time the ACC had a better matchup than the Big Ten was 2014 #2 FSU vs #12 Ga Tech. That game drew 6.2 and 10.15M, while the B1G CCG - again Ohio State (#6) vs Wisconsin (#11), ironically - drew 3.5 and 6.13M.

ACC's main problem: only having one CCG team ranked most years. Hopefully divisionless format helps that.

8.8 M for Texas at Alabama

So FSU vs LSU still reigns supreme

(09-12-2023 08:24 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  8.8 M for Texas at Alabama

So FSU vs LSU still reigns supreme

Yeah but difference between OTA and cable especially with the charter blackout still in place is important.

I’m not sure how Disney values 8.8MM on ESPN vs 9.17MM on abc but they are both very impressive

(09-12-2023 08:34 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-12-2023 08:24 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  8.8 M for Texas at Alabama

So FSU vs LSU still reigns supreme

Yeah but difference between OTA and cable especially with the charter blackout still in place is important.

I’m not sure how Disney values 8.8MM on ESPN vs 9.17MM on abc but they are both very impressive

The blackout happened right before the FSU-LSU game, so it was heavily impacted too.