SMU has emerged as a target for ACC

(08-08-2023 04:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  SMU has emerged as a target for ACC

Bizarro-world

(08-08-2023 04:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  SMU has emerged as a target for ACC

Still waiting for somebody to explain how this is a net money maker for the ACC. This would double their expenses and get them about tree fiddy more in TV income in exchange.

(08-08-2023 09:13 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  it's been reported that ESPN is not happy about being completely shut out of the FBS West Coast.

they need some content for the 1000+ EST time slots.

But they want it cheap.

adding Cal and Stanford to the ACC for cheap will allow them to have some 1030 Saturday night content. And i'm sure they'll make sure the other side of those games includes a top ACC team through scheduling....Notre Dame, Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC.

they can get a few top games a year out of that....Notre Dame @ Stanford....Miami @ Cal....plus the Big Game annually (Cal-Stanford)....then just take the others as they come and deal with them (Duke-Cal, BC-Stanford, etc)

the logistics Cal and Stanford would face for their other sports is not of ESPN's concern. Never has been, never will be. They are paying for football and to a lesser extent hoops. that's it.
It'll be up to Cal and stanford to figure out the rest after they receive that check. And both will accept it because a) they are all chasing the biggest bag, and b) they have no alternative.

Wouldn't it make more sense for ESPN to help facilitate a move by SMU, Tulane, Rice, and SDSU to the PAC? They could give them $12-15M each. That's double what any of those schools currently get, and the PAC 4 get to save their conference. Maybe grab Army and Navy for football too. Conference distributions could help pay the exit fees.

(08-08-2023 04:36 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 04:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  SMU has emerged as a target for ACC

Still waiting for somebody to explain how this is a net money maker for the ACC. This would double their expenses and get them about tree fiddy more in TV income in exchange.

Well...SMU is basically offering to join the league for free. Pony Express is getting revved up!

(08-08-2023 10:12 AM)Herd-in-ATL Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 09:08 AM)monarx Wrote:  Nothing says "Atlantic Coast Conference" like having Stanford and Cal becoming members.

Most old school ACC fans like myself thought it was a geographical stretch when they added Miami and Syracuse.

The ACC made a good bet when they made the additions that they made. Since then, it's all gone downhill save for Clemson. Virginia Tech and Miami have fallen off of a cliff, basketball hasn't been as bad as has been supposed, considering they still typically have multiple teams in the Elite 8, and baseball is pretty good. But football is driving the ship and the spectacular downfall of Virginia Tech and Florida State really killed the brand.

(08-08-2023 05:49 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 04:36 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 04:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  SMU has emerged as a target for ACC

Still waiting for somebody to explain how this is a net money maker for the ACC. This would double their expenses and get them about tree fiddy more in TV income in exchange.

Well...SMU is basically offering to join the league for free. Pony Express is getting revved up!

I'm guessing Stanford is trying to run the show, still, with their academic requirements? No reason not to go after Memphis and San Diego State as well otherwise.

Though I'm still not sure what the draw of SMU is other than their endowment.

(08-08-2023 04:36 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 04:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  SMU has emerged as a target for ACC

Still waiting for somebody to explain how this is a net money maker for the ACC. This would double their expenses and get them about tree fiddy more in TV income in exchange.

I believe it rests on carriage fees for the ACCN. Getting a kaggilion more cable subscribers in CA & TX whether they want to or not has the potential to earn a decent chunk of change for the ACC. If they get prorata from ESPN then give newbies less plus’s the extra ACCN fees then it might work for them financially. They’d have to agree to a different distribution structure to appease certain parties and secure their votes but the rest of them are almost assured not to end up in Stanford/Cala position in a few years. Added security from inevitable raids. That’s my understanding at least.

(08-08-2023 08:26 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 05:49 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 04:36 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 04:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  SMU has emerged as a target for ACC

Still waiting for somebody to explain how this is a net money maker for the ACC. This would double their expenses and get them about tree fiddy more in TV income in exchange.

Well...SMU is basically offering to join the league for free. Pony Express is getting revved up!

I'm guessing Stanford is trying to run the show, still, with their academic requirements? No reason not to go after Memphis and San Diego State as well otherwise.

Though I'm still not sure what the draw of SMU is other than their endowment.

Plenty of that philosophy in the ACC as well. They make decent bedfellows other than the 3,000 mile gulf.

(08-08-2023 05:13 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 09:13 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  it's been reported that ESPN is not happy about being completely shut out of the FBS West Coast.

they need some content for the 1000+ EST time slots.

But they want it cheap.

adding Cal and Stanford to the ACC for cheap will allow them to have some 1030 Saturday night content. And i'm sure they'll make sure the other side of those games includes a top ACC team through scheduling....Notre Dame, Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC.

they can get a few top games a year out of that....Notre Dame @ Stanford....Miami @ Cal....plus the Big Game annually (Cal-Stanford)....then just take the others as they come and deal with them (Duke-Cal, BC-Stanford, etc)

the logistics Cal and Stanford would face for their other sports is not of ESPN's concern. Never has been, never will be. They are paying for football and to a lesser extent hoops. that's it.
It'll be up to Cal and stanford to figure out the rest after they receive that check. And both will accept it because a) they are all chasing the biggest bag, and b) they have no alternative.

Wouldn't it make more sense for ESPN to help facilitate a move by SMU, Tulane, Rice, and SDSU to the PAC? They could give them $12-15M each. That's double what any of those schools currently get, and the PAC 4 get to save their conference. Maybe grab Army and Navy for football too. Conference distributions could help pay the exit fees.

That's probably what is happening. Notice that all the "scoops" are in regards to what the conferences are doing. What ESPN and FOX are doing is being held a secret somewhere in a backroom. YOu know what they say about toddlers and a quiet house? If it's quiet then you better go check it out.

(08-09-2023 07:08 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 05:13 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 09:13 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  it's been reported that ESPN is not happy about being completely shut out of the FBS West Coast.

they need some content for the 1000+ EST time slots.

But they want it cheap.

adding Cal and Stanford to the ACC for cheap will allow them to have some 1030 Saturday night content. And i'm sure they'll make sure the other side of those games includes a top ACC team through scheduling....Notre Dame, Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC.

they can get a few top games a year out of that....Notre Dame @ Stanford....Miami @ Cal....plus the Big Game annually (Cal-Stanford)....then just take the others as they come and deal with them (Duke-Cal, BC-Stanford, etc)

the logistics Cal and Stanford would face for their other sports is not of ESPN's concern. Never has been, never will be. They are paying for football and to a lesser extent hoops. that's it.
It'll be up to Cal and stanford to figure out the rest after they receive that check. And both will accept it because a) they are all chasing the biggest bag, and b) they have no alternative.

Wouldn't it make more sense for ESPN to help facilitate a move by SMU, Tulane, Rice, and SDSU to the PAC? They could give them $12-15M each. That's double what any of those schools currently get, and the PAC 4 get to save their conference. Maybe grab Army and Navy for football too. Conference distributions could help pay the exit fees.

That's probably what is happening. Notice that all the "scoops" are in regards to what the conferences are doing. What ESPN and FOX are doing is being held a secret somewhere in a backroom. YOu know what they say about toddlers and a quiet house? If it's quiet then you better go check it out.

But what do Tulane, SMU, and Rice bring to Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU? SMU may get 19,000 fans to games, Tulane may get 15,000, and Rice may bring 2,500. Their subscription numbers and viewership cannot be that high with their lack of following. I understand the PAC wanting to go East for more time slots but from a performance standpoint, as well as viewership, you'd think the MWC schools would be ideal. Fresno, Utah State, Boise State, Wyoming, etc.

However, if everyone is right about the MWC and AAC getting raided. This means that it may finally be Montana, Montana State, NDSU, and SDSU's time to shine.

(08-08-2023 09:13 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  it's been reported that ESPN is not happy about being completely shut out of the FBS West Coast.

they need some content for the 1000+ EST time slots.

But they want it cheap.

I hope they don't start expecting Sun Belt teams to fill that void. TV exposure is great, but it can also wreck the gameday experience. Starting that late would be attendance killers. Here are some examples of TV messing things up:

• When USA hosted Mississippi State on September 18, 2014, ESPN decided the game should be played at 3:00 PM. That timeslot was brutal with the heat and approximately 60 heat related medical calls were made.
• When USA hosted UTSA in our 2012 opener, the game was supposed to be played on Thursday night August 30. We had a tropical system move through so the game was moved to Saturday and because the game was being televised it was moved to 1:00 PM. That heat was brutal. I brought a friend to that game that vowed to never go back.
• When USA hosted Alabama in basketball last year, we had what should have been an easy sell out. Well ESPN decided this Tuesday night game should start at 9:00 PM. Imagine the people with kids that have school that missed out on this opportunity.
  

(08-09-2023 06:38 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(08-08-2023 09:13 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  it's been reported that ESPN is not happy about being completely shut out of the FBS West Coast.

they need some content for the 1000+ EST time slots.

But they want it cheap.

I hope they don't start expecting Sun Belt teams to fill that void. TV exposure is great, but it can also wreck the gameday experience. Starting that late would be attendance killers. Here are some examples of TV messing things up:

• When USA hosted Mississippi State on September 18, 2014, ESPN decided the game should be played at 3:00 PM. That timeslot was brutal with the heat and approximately 60 heat related medical calls were made.
• When USA hosted UTSA in our 2012 opener, the game was supposed to be played on Thursday night August 30. We had a tropical system move through so the game was moved to Saturday and because the game was being televised it was moved to 1:00 PM. That heat was brutal. I brought a friend to that game that vowed to never go back.
• When USA hosted Alabama in basketball last year, we had what should have been an easy sell out. Well ESPN decided this Tuesday night game should start at 9:00 PM. Imagine the people with kids that have school that missed out on this opportunity.
  

September heat is likely a lot worse in Alabama than Virginia, though our noon kickoff time at UVA is not ideal. We had an insanely hot game at NC St a few years ago, that also had the medics involved. Even the P5 are not exempt from drawing some of these time slots.

Notre Dame wants the westward ACC expansion.

ESPN said they’d pay up.

The ACC would give Stanford & Cal partial shares at first.

SMU said they’ll join without a share until 2030.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/notr...ut-revenue

What an interesting turn...ND pushes but won't commit

And here is the extra money for FSU and Clemson...

"It's the ACC’s decision how the revenue not provided to Stanford, Cal and SMU would be distributed."

(08-09-2023 09:58 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  What an interesting turn...ND pushes but won't commit

That is kinda funny, but ND’s onto something keeping their football team isolated from its other sports. That’s going to make a lot of sense in a world where conferences stretch from border to border and sea to shining sea for the sake of football.

Quote:And here is the extra money for FSU and Clemson...
"It's the ACC’s decision how the revenue not provided to Stanford, Cal and SMU would be distributed."

Yeah, you get the feeling it’s just a bidding process now. According to this:

https://www.on3.com/news/acc-pursuit-cal...expansion/

4 of the current ACC schools are balking. “So how much will it take to change your mind?”

As somebody pointed out somewhere on this board, if the Pac goes extinct, ESPN will have no West Coast football in its inventory since it doesn’t have the MWC. They may sweeten the pot just enough to make this deal happen.

If you trust Reddit, the ACC doesn't have enough votes for expansion. Supposedly, UNC + Florida State + Clemson + Virginia are all "No", and NC State + Virginia Tech are "on the fence".

As for where the info came from, someone said it's behind a paywall on TigerIllustrated. It matches with what Ross Dellenger reported last night: "At least four schools are pushing back. League needs 12 votes of 15 members."

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status...31200?s=20

(08-08-2023 05:13 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  Wouldn't it make more sense for ESPN to help facilitate a move by SMU, Tulane, Rice, and SDSU to the PAC? They could give them $12-15M each. That's double what any of those schools currently get, and the PAC 4 get to save their conference. Maybe grab Army and Navy for football too. Conference distributions could help pay the exit fees.

Just as a reminder.. let's not forget that the Mouse has told ESPN to start cutting costs. They just slashed their employment numbers drastically, and you think giving SMU/Tulane/Rice/SDSU 48 to 60 M (12-15) yearly is going to make the Mouse happy?

(08-10-2023 07:29 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  If you trust Reddit, the ACC doesn't have enough votes for expansion. Supposedly, UNC + Florida State + Clemson + Virginia are all "No", and NC State + Virginia Tech are "on the fence".

As for where the info came from, someone said it's behind a paywall on TigerIllustrated. It matches with what Ross Dellenger reported last night: "At least four schools are pushing back. League needs 12 votes of 15 members."

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status...31200?s=20

So the four that are most likely to leave are voting no to expansion, not surprised.

(08-10-2023 07:29 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  If you trust Reddit, the ACC doesn't have enough votes for expansion. Supposedly, UNC + Florida State + Clemson + Virginia are all "No", and NC State + Virginia Tech are "on the fence".

As for where the info came from, someone said it's behind a paywall on TigerIllustrated. It matches with what Ross Dellenger reported last night: "At least four schools are pushing back. League needs 12 votes of 15 members."

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status...31200?s=20

if one has the original linky, you can bypass the paywall at https://www.removepaywall.com/