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(08-13-2023 03:45 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Still don't understand how this is part of a college or university's mission to create either a pseudo or outright professional sports entity.
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Blame the fans.

Universities are always looking for ways to help fund programs. Fans made certain sports popular—and thus money makers for the universities.

Every sport can work like college track & field if you want. When fans start supporting every sport like they support that one, and no more, the problem of having too many corporate networks in your hair dictating terms goes a long way toward solving itself.

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(08-08-2023 09:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  The divisions in my Conference Pangea proposal are as follows. After each team are some likely protected rivalry games (up to four each). Some schools might not have any because all their rivals are already in their division. There could be more protected games I didn't think of. I won't even try to name the divisions.

Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss
Florida: Florida State. Georgia, Miami
Mississippi St: Ole Miss, Auburn
Tennessee: Kentucky, South Carolina
Arkansas: Texas, Ole Miss, Oklahoma
Virginia: UNC, Virginia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest
Vanderbilt: Kentucky

*******************************************************

Georgia: Florida, Clemson
Auburn: Alabama, Mississippi St
Ole Miss: Mississippi St, Arkansas, Alabama
South Carolina: Clemson, UNC, Tennessee
Miami: Florida State, Florida, UCF
Georgia Tech: Florida State, Virginia Tech
Duke: UNC, Virginia, Wake Forest, NC State

*******************************************************

Oklahoma: Arkansas, Wisconsin
Oklahoma St: Texas Tech
Texas: Texas A&M, Arkansas, Notre Dame
Missouri: Illinois
Nebraska: Kansas State
Iowa State: Iowa
Kansas: Kansas State, Colorado

******************************************************

LSU: Alabama, Notre Dame
Texas A&M: Texas
TCU:
Kansas State: Kansas, Nebraska
Baylor:
Texas Tech: Oklahoma St
Houston:

***********************************************************

Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State, Illionois, Indiana
Iowa: Iowa State, Purdue, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Louisville:
West Virginia: Maryland
Pitt: Penn State, Syracuse, Boston College
Kentucky: Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Cincinnati:

***************************************************************

Wisconsin: Iowa, Oklahoma
Michigan: Ohio State, Michigan State
Minnesota: Iowa
Northwestern:
Indiana: Ohio State
Purdue: Iowa
Illinois: Ohio State, Missouri

*************************************************************

Notre Dame: Southern Cal, Stanford, Texas, LSU
Penn State: Ohio State, Pitt
Michigan State: Michigan
Syracuse: Pitt
Boston College: Pitt
Maryland: West Virginia, NC State
Rutgers:

******************************************************************

Clemson: South Carolina, Georgia
Florida State: Florida, Miami, Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, Maryland
UNC: Virginia, Duke, South Carolina
UCF: Miami
Wake Forest: Virginia, Duke

****************************************************************

Washington: Washington St, Oregon
Southern Cal: UCLA, Cal, Notre Dame
Stanford: Cal, UCLA, Notre Dame
BYU: Utah, San Diego State
Arizona: Arizona State
Oregon State: Oregon
Colorado: Utah, Kansas

*******************************************************

Oregon: Oregon State, Washington
Utah: BYU, Colorado
UCLA: Southern Cal, Stanford
Arizona State: Arizona
Washington St: Washington
Cal: Stanford, Southern Cal
San Diego State: BYU

Not sure where you're getting LSU-Notre Dame, or, for that matter, Texas-Notre Dame as a protected rivalry from. Notre Dame has played each of those schools a total of 12 times all-time (and the last four matchups in the LSU-Notre Dame series were in bowl games). They are attractive matchups in a way, but there are plenty of schools I'd protect on behalf of Notre Dame ahead of LSU and Texas.
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Another interesting article about the eventual breakaway league.

From D1.ticker:

SBJ’s Ben Portnoy breaks down how potential revenue-sharing models might work, noting the concept can be viewed through three different lenses: athletes becoming employees, group licensing and collective bargaining. The workers’ compensation component of an employment model is particularly tricky, according to Illinois professor Michael LeRoy, who points out that student-athletes who suffer injuries during competition are often on their parents’ health insurance plans. Those plans may not cover major procedures like reconstructive knee surgery; therefore, student-athletes could qualify for workers’ comp, leading to increased long-term costs to the schools. “Workers’ comp is the iceberg underneath the tip of the iceberg.” LeRoy envisions an eventuality in which some sports could break away from the university and become an entity in which the university has a controlling stake (“Alabama Football Inc.,” for example), thereby allowing private equities or other stakeholders to raise capital to support the program. “There will come a time when it just makes financial sense for the premium football and basketball schools to incorporate, form a professional league, have employment, have a union shield themselves from antitrust — because as soon as you have a union all the antitrust problems go away. Whether the schools break away, or the NCAA accommodates them, we are almost certainly trending toward a professionalized league.”

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Ar...scape.aspx
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Pro sports league considers its members equal partners, while the schools most certainly do not, and will be unwilling to do so.
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(08-07-2023 03:43 PM)unalions Wrote:  So, obviously we're heading toward one or two conferences at the top for college football that might break away and do their own thing.

Folks have seen this coming for a while.


From 2011 via Bleacher Report:

Pac-12, ACC, Big East, SuperConferences and College Football Pangea

It doesn't even matter anymore, because we're clearly on our way to college football Pangea.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/8558...all-pangea


Saban discussed it last year and mentioned relegation.

College football realignment: Alabama coach Nick Saban raises idea of relegation

Saban believes that's likely where the sport is going, and overwhelmingly from where the College Football Playoff will select its teams.

“I think we’re probably headed in the direction like it or not of mega conferences,” Saban said.

“How that all turns out and what’s too big and what’s not big enough is probably a pretty good question to try to figure out, but I’m not sure anybody has the answer to that right now and maybe we have two or three mega conferences and then that’s where the playoff teams come from.”


https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb...relegation


This year, it's being mentioned (most recently a few minutes on Paul Finebaum from a Sportico reporter) that venture capital groups could help spin off the top teams from the NCAA.

Signs which could point toward college football forming one super conference

But the latest wave of conference realignment might be hinting at an even bigger story within the next handful of years as more and more broadcast rights deals expire.

“What all this really tells me, though, Andy (Staples), is that we’re gaining steam even faster than I think I even thought was possible on an ultimate one super league,” On3’s Jesse Simonton said. “Super league pangea where it’s the top 40 teams in college football and you worry about the other Title IX sports and all that stuff separately, but it’s just like its own minor league football deal.

“Because once some of these media deals run out, because I think some of them are more short-term, it just seems like we are gaining steam with each of these realignment moves getting faster to that point, I think.”


https://www.on3.com/news/signs-which-cou...cast-deal/


I joked on another thread about the Saudi's jumping into college football funding and this article discusses that.

Saudi Arabia’s Next Sports Venture: College Football? Insiders Weigh In

The PIF’s abundant resources have already seen football star Cristiano Ronaldo join the Saudi national league and the country has hosted nine World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) events and various Formula 1 races. Considering these developments, some speculate that Saudi Arabia could tap into the world of college football next, a move seen by some insiders as imminent.

In a survey of four athletic directors (ADs), opinions varied. One gave a definite no, two saw it as likely, while the fourth suggested it was a possibility, but far from plain sailing.


https://fifthquarter.net/featured/2023/0...-weigh-in/

John McKay and Bear Bryant discussed it with each other in 1970. At the time the media revenue wasn't sufficient to cover the travel. They were looking at a single league of the top brands in college football where everyone would sell their media rights as a group but function wholly independently otherwise, except for scheduling.

This idea has been around a lot longer than the Bleacher Report has existed.
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(11-28-2023 03:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-07-2023 03:43 PM)unalions Wrote:  So, obviously we're heading toward one or two conferences at the top for college football that might break away and do their own thing.

Folks have seen this coming for a while.


From 2011 via Bleacher Report:

Pac-12, ACC, Big East, SuperConferences and College Football Pangea

It doesn't even matter anymore, because we're clearly on our way to college football Pangea.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/8558...all-pangea


Saban discussed it last year and mentioned relegation.

College football realignment: Alabama coach Nick Saban raises idea of relegation

Saban believes that's likely where the sport is going, and overwhelmingly from where the College Football Playoff will select its teams.

“I think we’re probably headed in the direction like it or not of mega conferences,” Saban said.

“How that all turns out and what’s too big and what’s not big enough is probably a pretty good question to try to figure out, but I’m not sure anybody has the answer to that right now and maybe we have two or three mega conferences and then that’s where the playoff teams come from.”


https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb...relegation


This year, it's being mentioned (most recently a few minutes on Paul Finebaum from a Sportico reporter) that venture capital groups could help spin off the top teams from the NCAA.

Signs which could point toward college football forming one super conference

But the latest wave of conference realignment might be hinting at an even bigger story within the next handful of years as more and more broadcast rights deals expire.

“What all this really tells me, though, Andy (Staples), is that we’re gaining steam even faster than I think I even thought was possible on an ultimate one super league,” On3’s Jesse Simonton said. “Super league pangea where it’s the top 40 teams in college football and you worry about the other Title IX sports and all that stuff separately, but it’s just like its own minor league football deal.

“Because once some of these media deals run out, because I think some of them are more short-term, it just seems like we are gaining steam with each of these realignment moves getting faster to that point, I think.”


https://www.on3.com/news/signs-which-cou...cast-deal/


I joked on another thread about the Saudi's jumping into college football funding and this article discusses that.

Saudi Arabia’s Next Sports Venture: College Football? Insiders Weigh In

The PIF’s abundant resources have already seen football star Cristiano Ronaldo join the Saudi national league and the country has hosted nine World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) events and various Formula 1 races. Considering these developments, some speculate that Saudi Arabia could tap into the world of college football next, a move seen by some insiders as imminent.

In a survey of four athletic directors (ADs), opinions varied. One gave a definite no, two saw it as likely, while the fourth suggested it was a possibility, but far from plain sailing.


https://fifthquarter.net/featured/2023/0...-weigh-in/

John McKay and Bear Bryant discussed it with each other in 1970. At the time the media revenue wasn't sufficient to cover the travel. They were looking at a single league of the top brands in college football where everyone would sell their media rights as a group but function wholly independently otherwise, except for scheduling.

This idea has been around a lot longer than the Bleacher Report has existed.

Cool! Share more information about that. Any articles or links?
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(11-28-2023 04:52 PM)unalions Wrote:  
(11-28-2023 03:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-07-2023 03:43 PM)unalions Wrote:  So, obviously we're heading toward one or two conferences at the top for college football that might break away and do their own thing.

Folks have seen this coming for a while.


From 2011 via Bleacher Report:

Pac-12, ACC, Big East, SuperConferences and College Football Pangea

It doesn't even matter anymore, because we're clearly on our way to college football Pangea.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/8558...all-pangea


Saban discussed it last year and mentioned relegation.

College football realignment: Alabama coach Nick Saban raises idea of relegation

Saban believes that's likely where the sport is going, and overwhelmingly from where the College Football Playoff will select its teams.

“I think we’re probably headed in the direction like it or not of mega conferences,” Saban said.

“How that all turns out and what’s too big and what’s not big enough is probably a pretty good question to try to figure out, but I’m not sure anybody has the answer to that right now and maybe we have two or three mega conferences and then that’s where the playoff teams come from.”


https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb...relegation


This year, it's being mentioned (most recently a few minutes on Paul Finebaum from a Sportico reporter) that venture capital groups could help spin off the top teams from the NCAA.

Signs which could point toward college football forming one super conference

But the latest wave of conference realignment might be hinting at an even bigger story within the next handful of years as more and more broadcast rights deals expire.

“What all this really tells me, though, Andy (Staples), is that we’re gaining steam even faster than I think I even thought was possible on an ultimate one super league,” On3’s Jesse Simonton said. “Super league pangea where it’s the top 40 teams in college football and you worry about the other Title IX sports and all that stuff separately, but it’s just like its own minor league football deal.

“Because once some of these media deals run out, because I think some of them are more short-term, it just seems like we are gaining steam with each of these realignment moves getting faster to that point, I think.”


https://www.on3.com/news/signs-which-cou...cast-deal/


I joked on another thread about the Saudi's jumping into college football funding and this article discusses that.

Saudi Arabia’s Next Sports Venture: College Football? Insiders Weigh In

The PIF’s abundant resources have already seen football star Cristiano Ronaldo join the Saudi national league and the country has hosted nine World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) events and various Formula 1 races. Considering these developments, some speculate that Saudi Arabia could tap into the world of college football next, a move seen by some insiders as imminent.

In a survey of four athletic directors (ADs), opinions varied. One gave a definite no, two saw it as likely, while the fourth suggested it was a possibility, but far from plain sailing.


https://fifthquarter.net/featured/2023/0...-weigh-in/

John McKay and Bear Bryant discussed it with each other in 1970. At the time the media revenue wasn't sufficient to cover the travel. They were looking at a single league of the top brands in college football where everyone would sell their media rights as a group but function wholly independently otherwise, except for scheduling.

This idea has been around a lot longer than the Bleacher Report has existed.

Cool! Share more information about that. Any articles or links?

The story about McKay and Bryant was on one of the ESPN special programs on the SECN. But that was something I knew about in the 70's from Church and the Country Club. We had some former Alabama football players and people close to Bear who had heard him discuss the matter who were talking about it, and some people who had family connections to Bryant who discussed it as well. I met Bryant a few times but can't say anything was ever discussed but the little bit of small talk you could get out of him. When he was with people he trusted, former players, extended family then he opened up, so those sources were very reliable. His friendship with McKay was well known. USC's home and home with Alabama helped Bryant to integrate the Alabama football team. USC housed them in the first game and Bryant was able to sell the notion that USC having African American players was a big edge. Alabama then signed its first black players to scholarship and switched to the wishbone and beat USC in a surprise in the return game.
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(08-07-2023 03:58 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  There will never be just 40. This isn't the NFL as much as some school admins think it is. They're like the warden in The Longest Yard wanting to be a football GM.

You ruin everything unless you provide the ability of an Appalachian State or North Dakota State to upset someone.

The way its headed I think we will end up with 4 conferences - B1G, SEC, B12, ACC - and they will contain approx 80 schools.

80 schools, 4 conferences, 20 teams per conference.

The ACC and the BIG are close to that mark.
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(11-28-2023 06:26 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(08-07-2023 03:58 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  There will never be just 40. This isn't the NFL as much as some school admins think it is. They're like the warden in The Longest Yard wanting to be a football GM.

You ruin everything unless you provide the ability of an Appalachian State or North Dakota State to upset someone.

The way its headed I think we will end up with 4 conferences - B1G, SEC, B12, ACC - and they will contain approx 80 schools.

80 schools, 4 conferences, 20 teams per conference.

The ACC and the BIG are close to that mark.

So, if it’s 80, what will the remaining 55 FBS teams do? The lowest G5 budgets and such. I think this breakaway group will be much small leaving most of FBS intact.
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(11-28-2023 05:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-28-2023 04:52 PM)unalions Wrote:  
(11-28-2023 03:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-07-2023 03:43 PM)unalions Wrote:  So, obviously we're heading toward one or two conferences at the top for college football that might break away and do their own thing.

Folks have seen this coming for a while.


From 2011 via Bleacher Report:

Pac-12, ACC, Big East, SuperConferences and College Football Pangea

It doesn't even matter anymore, because we're clearly on our way to college football Pangea.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/8558...all-pangea


Saban discussed it last year and mentioned relegation.

College football realignment: Alabama coach Nick Saban raises idea of relegation

Saban believes that's likely where the sport is going, and overwhelmingly from where the College Football Playoff will select its teams.

“I think we’re probably headed in the direction like it or not of mega conferences,” Saban said.

“How that all turns out and what’s too big and what’s not big enough is probably a pretty good question to try to figure out, but I’m not sure anybody has the answer to that right now and maybe we have two or three mega conferences and then that’s where the playoff teams come from.”


https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb...relegation


This year, it's being mentioned (most recently a few minutes on Paul Finebaum from a Sportico reporter) that venture capital groups could help spin off the top teams from the NCAA.

Signs which could point toward college football forming one super conference

But the latest wave of conference realignment might be hinting at an even bigger story within the next handful of years as more and more broadcast rights deals expire.

“What all this really tells me, though, Andy (Staples), is that we’re gaining steam even faster than I think I even thought was possible on an ultimate one super league,” On3’s Jesse Simonton said. “Super league pangea where it’s the top 40 teams in college football and you worry about the other Title IX sports and all that stuff separately, but it’s just like its own minor league football deal.

“Because once some of these media deals run out, because I think some of them are more short-term, it just seems like we are gaining steam with each of these realignment moves getting faster to that point, I think.”


https://www.on3.com/news/signs-which-cou...cast-deal/


I joked on another thread about the Saudi's jumping into college football funding and this article discusses that.

Saudi Arabia’s Next Sports Venture: College Football? Insiders Weigh In

The PIF’s abundant resources have already seen football star Cristiano Ronaldo join the Saudi national league and the country has hosted nine World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) events and various Formula 1 races. Considering these developments, some speculate that Saudi Arabia could tap into the world of college football next, a move seen by some insiders as imminent.

In a survey of four athletic directors (ADs), opinions varied. One gave a definite no, two saw it as likely, while the fourth suggested it was a possibility, but far from plain sailing.


https://fifthquarter.net/featured/2023/0...-weigh-in/

John McKay and Bear Bryant discussed it with each other in 1970. At the time the media revenue wasn't sufficient to cover the travel. They were looking at a single league of the top brands in college football where everyone would sell their media rights as a group but function wholly independently otherwise, except for scheduling.

This idea has been around a lot longer than the Bleacher Report has existed.

Cool! Share more information about that. Any articles or links?

The story about McKay and Bryant was on one of the ESPN special programs on the SECN. But that was something I knew about in the 70's from Church and the Country Club. We had some former Alabama football players and people close to Bear who had heard him discuss the matter who were talking about it, and some people who had family connections to Bryant who discussed it as well. I met Bryant a few times but can't say anything was ever discussed but the little bit of small talk you could get out of him. When he was with people he trusted, former players, extended family then he opened up, so those sources were very reliable. His friendship with McKay was well known. USC's home and home with Alabama helped Bryant to integrate the Alabama football team. USC housed them in the first game and Bryant was able to sell the notion that USC having African American players was a big edge. Alabama then signed its first black players to scholarship and switched to the wishbone and beat USC in a surprise in the return game.

There were already blacks on the Alabama team in 1970, but they were freshman and ineligible to play due to NCAA rules at the time.
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(11-28-2023 08:31 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  
(11-28-2023 05:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-28-2023 04:52 PM)unalions Wrote:  
(11-28-2023 03:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-07-2023 03:43 PM)unalions Wrote:  So, obviously we're heading toward one or two conferences at the top for college football that might break away and do their own thing.

Folks have seen this coming for a while.


From 2011 via Bleacher Report:

Pac-12, ACC, Big East, SuperConferences and College Football Pangea

It doesn't even matter anymore, because we're clearly on our way to college football Pangea.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/8558...all-pangea


Saban discussed it last year and mentioned relegation.

College football realignment: Alabama coach Nick Saban raises idea of relegation

Saban believes that's likely where the sport is going, and overwhelmingly from where the College Football Playoff will select its teams.

“I think we’re probably headed in the direction like it or not of mega conferences,” Saban said.

“How that all turns out and what’s too big and what’s not big enough is probably a pretty good question to try to figure out, but I’m not sure anybody has the answer to that right now and maybe we have two or three mega conferences and then that’s where the playoff teams come from.”


https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb...relegation


This year, it's being mentioned (most recently a few minutes on Paul Finebaum from a Sportico reporter) that venture capital groups could help spin off the top teams from the NCAA.

Signs which could point toward college football forming one super conference

But the latest wave of conference realignment might be hinting at an even bigger story within the next handful of years as more and more broadcast rights deals expire.

“What all this really tells me, though, Andy (Staples), is that we’re gaining steam even faster than I think I even thought was possible on an ultimate one super league,” On3’s Jesse Simonton said. “Super league pangea where it’s the top 40 teams in college football and you worry about the other Title IX sports and all that stuff separately, but it’s just like its own minor league football deal.

“Because once some of these media deals run out, because I think some of them are more short-term, it just seems like we are gaining steam with each of these realignment moves getting faster to that point, I think.”


https://www.on3.com/news/signs-which-cou...cast-deal/


I joked on another thread about the Saudi's jumping into college football funding and this article discusses that.

Saudi Arabia’s Next Sports Venture: College Football? Insiders Weigh In

The PIF’s abundant resources have already seen football star Cristiano Ronaldo join the Saudi national league and the country has hosted nine World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) events and various Formula 1 races. Considering these developments, some speculate that Saudi Arabia could tap into the world of college football next, a move seen by some insiders as imminent.

In a survey of four athletic directors (ADs), opinions varied. One gave a definite no, two saw it as likely, while the fourth suggested it was a possibility, but far from plain sailing.


https://fifthquarter.net/featured/2023/0...-weigh-in/

John McKay and Bear Bryant discussed it with each other in 1970. At the time the media revenue wasn't sufficient to cover the travel. They were looking at a single league of the top brands in college football where everyone would sell their media rights as a group but function wholly independently otherwise, except for scheduling.

This idea has been around a lot longer than the Bleacher Report has existed.

Cool! Share more information about that. Any articles or links?

The story about McKay and Bryant was on one of the ESPN special programs on the SECN. But that was something I knew about in the 70's from Church and the Country Club. We had some former Alabama football players and people close to Bear who had heard him discuss the matter who were talking about it, and some people who had family connections to Bryant who discussed it as well. I met Bryant a few times but can't say anything was ever discussed but the little bit of small talk you could get out of him. When he was with people he trusted, former players, extended family then he opened up, so those sources were very reliable. His friendship with McKay was well known. USC's home and home with Alabama helped Bryant to integrate the Alabama football team. USC housed them in the first game and Bryant was able to sell the notion that USC having African American players was a big edge. Alabama then signed its first black players to scholarship and switched to the wishbone and beat USC in a surprise in the return game.

There were already blacks on the Alabama team in 1970, but they were freshman and ineligible to play due to NCAA rules at the time.

Right, and James Owens was at Auburn in 1969 as a Freshman. The following year Thomas Gossom would become the first black athlete to walk on at Auburn and land a full scholarship. Tokenism was exhibited to show that integration was underway, but it was the thrashing Alabama took at the hands of USC which enabled Bear to tell his donors that if he was to compete against teams which could recruit the best players, regardless of who they were, then he had to be able to do the same to compete. That opened the door for players such as Woodrow Lowe 73-75, and from there the whole SEC started to open up. Condredge Holloway at Tennessee was one of the first there too, and he was also a trailblazer in that he was from North Alabama and left the state. By the early 80's Jim Crow was dead for SEC football and Herschel and Bo were lighting it up. The SEC of the late 60's was gone. The early 70's brought about that transition.

Before that so many of the stars in other conferences had been black athletes from SEC states who couldn't play near home. Bear can be labeled a lot of different things and many of them would be true, but in this matter he too was a trailblazer.
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(08-15-2023 12:04 AM)unalions Wrote:  More chatter:



A wild five-tiered system that’s gone viral on Twitter:



College Football 'Relegation' Proposal Is Starting To Gain Traction

https://thespun.com/.amp/college-footbal...n-traction

Re: what Alberts said in the article above, what so many on this board (not looking at you, unalions, you're an innocent party on this) don't get is that this goes beyond football and into basketball as well, IMO. Think of it this way: not only is there an NFL-lite within the NCAA, there is an NBA-lite within the NCAA too. The NBA developmental league has attracted some talent, I'm sure, but I'm sure that there are several others that would prefer to stick with the tried-and-true approach to NBA access- play well in college.
It's interesting that we don't have this same dynamic going with college baseball or college hockey. Only reason I can think of for that is an MLB farm system that's been around for several years along with an equally ancient farm system for hockey, plus the presence of major junior hockey leagues as well (see the Portland WinterHawks hockey team. It's fascinating how they get their players and draw so well!!!)

Very interesting about promo/rel
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(09-06-2023 11:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(09-06-2023 10:18 AM)unalions Wrote:  From D1.ticker:

As a part of a longer piece on the future of the NFL, SBJ’s Ben Fischer catches up with several sources about the following possibility: “The top 50 teams in college football signing a grant of rights to NewCo., a tripartite partnership of Fox, Disney and the NFL. In one fell swoop, the second most popular sport in America is forever divorced from the mishmash of NCAA, conference, government and university oversight that has led to today’s campus crisis. The NFL’s decades of excellence running football operations and big-ticket events could unlock more value, with extraordinary upside revenue potential.”

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Ar...eview.aspx

It sounds like an amazing joint venture in theory. But one question no one has ever been able to answer is how do you use a public school's name without the institution losing its federal tax-exempt status? This is the very thick line that Presidents are going to have to decide if they want to cross or not.

Models exist for things like this. Hospitals exist that are integrated with campus educational programs and in which students can work as employees. Many countries designate certain schools as professional training centers for Olympic athletes.

For American college football programs this is new, but universities are not in uncharted territory. Professional experiences for students happen. This can be managed.
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(09-06-2023 06:40 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  Government should quit encouraging young people to get into a bunch of debt in order to go to college. The more the government tries to make education "more affordable" the more universities increase their costs. When supply exceeds demand, costs will decrease. Look at the Forbes list for best value for your education. They look at education costs, amount of debt the average student carries post graduation and what they can expect to earn 7 years after they graduate among a couple other factors. I can say that my alma matter ranks 16th in the nation for public schools on Forbes.

Make all public higher education free.

Voilà. 07-coffee3
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JR…In 1968 Alabama needed a new basketball coach. Bryant (who was also AD) called Adolph Rupp (Bryant had once coached at Kentucky) and asked for a recommendation. Rupp said to call CM Newton. In the interview, Newton said he’d take the job if he could recruit blacks. Bryant said he could.

In addition to being a chain smoking alcoholic, my biggest criticism of Bryant (I’m also a Bama fan) is he didn’t try to push for integration earlier. I think it might have helped the state overall but that’s delving too deep into something that probably shouldn’t be discussed here.
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(11-29-2023 05:36 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  JR…In 1968 Alabama needed a new basketball coach. Bryant (who was also AD) called Adolph Rupp (Bryant had once coached at Kentucky) and asked for a recommendation. Rupp said to call CM Newton. In the interview, Newton said he’d take the job if he could recruit blacks. Bryant said he could.

In addition to being a chain smoking alcoholic, my biggest criticism of Bryant (I’m also a Bama fan) is he didn’t try to push for integration earlier. I think it might have helped the state overall but that’s delving too deep into something that probably shouldn’t be discussed here.

C.M. Newton was one of the finest people representing an academic institution for athletics, that I ever knew. He actually recruited me, but academically. He listened, asked appropriate questions, and gave wise responses.

Look, I lived it, and strangely, later in life I would even know Vivian Malone Jones, Shorty Price (the clown of Alabama politics) and some of Wallace's family. And as to Bryant's vices at least he lived in a day when those didn't lead his headlines and he had a few more than just those two. But he couldn't have pushed for it sooner and kept support for what he was doing. Most of the state was rural and they would have fought it tooth and nail politically. Even George Corley (Wallace) knew that. His stance on the matter was purely political, as he showed later in life when he won re-election with the black vote.

I personally knew the man he first took the office from. And he would laugh and say that he was only defeated because he didn't push segregation enough. Sadly, the state advanced only as far as the public would let it. You know the old saw about leadership? The leader is the one out in front of the mob and only by echoing the mobs' sentiments does he stay there. It's a backasswards way to lead anyone, but if the mob is in the majority, it is what politicians do, and if the politician is clever enough, he can get the mob to tone down the rhetoric and accept change before the mob turns on him.

Those times and those sentiments made politicians, mostly trained legal minds, act like the mob to get elected. Those in the process personally knew better. It was like Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door to keep a young Vivian Malone from enrolling at the U of A. It was a staged event for the voters, and nobody in government believed it to be otherwise. The enrollment was going to happen. It was a lot like the advice that Richmond Flowers would give to MLK and members of the NAACP about what was obtainable through protests and when and how to achieve it. Ultimately while King listened, he did what he thought was best. But each tempered the other. All of it was designed either to appease the voters or staged to slowly move them off of the status quo. I grew up in a military family. It was all ridiculous to me, but in retrospect it was an interesting synergy between what needed to happen and slow-walking it to get it to happen once the populace was resigned that it would happen (Federal action), and at a time when most of the populace was embarrassed by the actions of its radicals who acted criminally to try to prevent it. The 60's represented holding onto the bitterness of the past for both the rural whites and African Americans. The 70's finally began to move past the 100-year-old wounds of the nation. Bryant, like the politicians, had to wait for the right moment, and at Alabama it took waiting until after they got their butts kicked by a fully integrated team which played the best athletes it could recruit, instead of the best white athletes it could recruit, to make the supporters realize it was past time to settle the issue. Football meant more than racism! Let that sink in next time people chastise the "SEC! SEC! SEC!" chant. Winning in football, was more important than racism! Somebody should do a dissertation on that one.

Now history can make heroes and villains out of whoever they wish, but a lot of the rhetoric (and some was just hateful) was about catching the voters up to what had to happen so that when it did happen, resignation to change would outweigh fighting it. In that regard Bryant and Jordan were no different than Patterson, Wallace, and what followed.

While born in the South, I spent my formative years up North and out West. Prejudice was everywhere, it just impacted different groups of people in each of the various locations. Sadly, mistrust and group identity outweigh the good of individual people in too many places, ignorance always pigeonholes people and grows disunity. Now here late in life, I see the manipulation of hatred happening again. It never ends well.

But again, the Federal courts and football through NIL and pay for play are introducing change through sports as they did in the 70's with Title IX. This time it is fighting a system which profited from blacks and whites and others alike, and at the expense of the aforementioned people's health through the lure of professional ball kept them coming and playing in college. That too has been fought tooth and nail but by the institutions instead of mobs. And that too is leading to upheaval in its own way, as it will bring about more consolidation as well as division due to the segregation of schools by earning potential. Oddly ironic isn't it.
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Here we go. More consolidation being proposed by Baker. What schools will be able to afford to opt-in to this new subdivision?

(12-05-2023 11:09 AM)unalions Wrote:  From D1.ticker:

NCAA President Charlie Baker is set to introduce new student-athlete compensation proposals at this week's SBJ Intercollegiate Athletics Forum, per Sports Illustrated's Pat Forde. From Baker's letter: "First, we should make it possible for all Division I colleges and universities to offer student-athletes any level of enhanced educational benefits they deem appropriate. Second, rules should change for any Division I school, at their choice, to enter into name, image and likeness licensing opportunities with their student-athletes. [...] Third, a subdivision comprised of institutions with the highest resources to invest in their student-athletes should be required to do two things: Within the framework of Title IX, invest at least $30,000 per year into an enhanced educational trust fund for at least half of the institution's eligible student-athletes. Commit to work with their peer institutions in this subdivision to create rules that may differ from the rules in place for the rest of Division I. Those rules could include a wide range of policies, such as scholarship commitment and roster size, recruitment, transfers or NIL."
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(12-05-2023 11:39 AM)unalions Wrote:  From the article:

The figures include the following:

• 59 DI schools spend more than $100 million on athletics; another 32 DI schools spend over $50 million; and a whopping 259 spend less than $50 million, with half of those spending less than $25 million.

• On average, 1.8 percent of Power Five athletic budgets is subsidized by student fees while about 15 percent of budgets in the rest of the DI schools are funded by student fees.

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The NCAA president's proposal has been something bantered about for years.

The organization has been moving toward such a concept. In fact, last year, members of the NCAA’s constitution and transformation committees seriously discussed permitting programs to provide more compensation to athletes but smaller programs stymied such movement — another frustration point for those at the power conference level.

A vast majority of those within the NCAA — the 95 percent, perhaps — have begun to publicly and privately encourage the high-revenue producing athletic departments to distance themselves from the rest of the pack.

However, that too is complicated. Revenue generated from the elite programs in college sports — from the CFP, NCAA men’s basketball tournament, etc. — is disseminated to other schools in Division I, Division II and Division III. It makes any complete separation or split complex.

That said, many college leaders have anticipated a Power Five split for years, if not even decades. Major conference programs often feel handcuffed to spend their wealth through cost-containment measures supported by the other 95 percent. The NCAA has historically attempted to legislate competitive equity. That concept has shown to be problematic, only angering those revenue-producing bluebloods of college football and basketball who believe they don't have enough control of their own cash.

Baker’s new model feels like the final move to end such a fruitless fight, opening the doors for greater independence among college football’s powers — and additional cash to athletes directly from schools.

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-proposing-...51537.html
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I’m thinking closer to 50 at first.

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(12-05-2023 01:22 PM)unalions Wrote:  I’m thinking closer to 50 at first.


Look at the Gross Revenue numbers. 56 is likely the upside. 48 likely the downside. If some really made the stretch to try to make it you might bump the upper level by about 4 to 8.

The reality is nobody knows for sure because the tax information institutions put out doesn't paint a complete picture of where their assets are allocated, or of the strength or depth of their donor base, which now needs to include age of the donors.

We know even less about privates.

Every position below 66th or 67th is subsidized already at levels equaling or exceeding 25% of the total sports operating budget. Taxpayers are strapped, states are looking for revenue, not looking to give more away. The upper tier is going to be smaller than most think.
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