(08-06-2023 10:30 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 09:00 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  New Mexico State has applied to join the PAC 4.

And they (NM Posters) think Tarleton is not CUSA ready? Head Scratcher

Food for thought

Why the hell not, right? Gotta shoot your shot at anything with a pulse if you're nmsu, especially knowing their CUSA lifeline UTEP is all but gone.

Did some digging....as of today, these schools have already filed the paperwork asking to join the PAC 12:

Colorado State
SDSU
SMU
UNLV
Tulane
USF
Boise St
Fresno St
Tulsa
Rice
Memphis
nmsu

Looks like the PAC will not only survive, but can be choosy. UTEP, and the balance of the MWC will also come knocking for their shot at the big time.

PAC bringing in a healthy dose of private school money is a really smart move at this juncture.

Source?

(08-06-2023 10:30 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 09:00 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  New Mexico State has applied to join the PAC 4.

And they (NM Posters) think Tarleton is not CUSA ready? Head Scratcher

Food for thought

Why the hell not, right? Gotta shoot your shot at anything with a pulse if you're nmsu, especially knowing their CUSA lifeline UTEP is all but gone.

Did some digging....as of today, these schools have already filed the paperwork asking to join the PAC 12:

Colorado State
SDSU
SMU
UNLV
Tulane
USF
Boise St
Fresno St
Tulsa
Rice
Memphis
nmsu

Looks like the PAC will not only survive, but can be choosy. UTEP, and the balance of the MWC will also come knocking for their shot at the big time.

PAC bringing in a healthy dose of private school money is a really smart move at this juncture.

"Utep all but gone?" Source? MW has plenty of teams--and may even add one or two PAC refugees that don't get snatched up by the B10 or B12.

(08-06-2023 11:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  You look at that listr and say they can be choosy. Sorry, but no one there draws any P5 status. Some are better than others, but there's no media deal in that group worth the money.

Agree: 1) P5 is dead. 2) The PAC is no longer a P5 conference, see #1. 3) The PAC has no major media deal and any previous splitting of monies is probably gone. So, why would D1-AA teams pay hefty fees to continue to be D1-AA?

(08-07-2023 12:39 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 10:30 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 09:00 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  New Mexico State has applied to join the PAC 4.

And they (NM Posters) think Tarleton is not CUSA ready? Head Scratcher

Food for thought

Why the hell not, right? Gotta shoot your shot at anything with a pulse if you're nmsu, especially knowing their CUSA lifeline UTEP is all but gone.

Did some digging....as of today, these schools have already filed the paperwork asking to join the PAC 12:

Colorado State
SDSU
SMU
UNLV
Tulane
USF
Boise St
Fresno St
Tulsa
Rice
Memphis
nmsu

Looks like the PAC will not only survive, but can be choosy. UTEP, and the balance of the MWC will also come knocking for their shot at the big time.

PAC bringing in a healthy dose of private school money is a really smart move at this juncture.

"Utep all but gone?" Source? MW has plenty of teams--and may even add one or two PAC refugees that don't get snatched up by the B10 or B12.

At this point, the MW has more power and prestige than the PAC. Could a merger still happen? Sure, but don't know if it actually will. At this point, it's anyone's guess what will happen. Matt Brown's latest article is pretty good.

IMHO, I do not believe the PAC dies anymore than the death of the WAC all those years ago.

They may NOT be a major player but it just takes a few to get their footing back as a conference.

Not sure what that mix will be but if I’m the PAC Commissioner SDSU would be approved immediately with more to come. The clown has to get something positive going asap.

Whatever media deal they do get won’t be much worse than what was tossed out there.

(08-07-2023 11:38 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  IMHO, I do not believe the PAC dies anymore than the death of the WAC all those years ago.

They may NOT be a major player but it just takes a few to get their footing back as a conference.

Not sure what that mix will be but if I’m the PAC Commissioner SDSU would be approved immediately with more to come. The clown has to get something positive going asap.

Whatever media deal they do get won’t be much worse than what was tossed out there.

cal and stanford are so unlike any of the potential adds out there that I see them begging into the big20 or whatever and the pac2 just merging with the mwc. if the big says no they will have to eat some humble pie and add sdsu-fresno and a few of the closest nobodies and just deal with it. I could see air force and colorado state fitting in. at least it could work geographic wise. I see cal as the flagship school pulling their hair out. that would open the mwc for utep and nmsu both are outliers in any other grouping.

New reports are already linking the four remaining PAC 12 members to new conferences. A pair of leagues are reportedly interested in adding the West Coast programs in expansion hopes. The AAC is looking at all four. But Stanford and Cal are possibly looking at the Big 10, or 20, or whatever.

(08-07-2023 11:38 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  IMHO, I do not believe the PAC dies anymore than the death of the WAC all those years ago.

They may NOT be a major player but it just takes a few to get their footing back as a conference.

Not sure what that mix will be but if I’m the PAC Commissioner SDSU would be approved immediately with more to come. The clown has to get something positive going asap.

Whatever media deal they do get won’t be much worse than what was tossed out there.

SDSU is D1-AA, heck, even Boise St. is D1-AA. Just because a school is FBS doesn't mean it's Tier1 a D1-A program. Even if it was part of a P5, not G5, is not a guarantee of being seen as D1-A. That's why the PAC is dead. There aren't any Teir1 schools willing to stay or move to it and there is no more real money in it. The Tier2 MW has better schools and money deals. I guess the PAC could survive, but it will be a D1-AA level conference, just like the MW. If it can't be better, how would it actually survive? Why would any school move to it? The PAC of the past no longer exists... That's why I saw a merger more likely if anything. If I was a FCS looking to become FBS, I wouldn't choose the PAC. Understand that in all of this, all of FCS is D1-AAA. I am using old terminology because it makes the reality clearer then P5, G5 and FCS. The P5 no longer exists, and we don't know if it will end up at P4, P3 or P2. G5 is only barely more relative as the gap between it and FCS closes. The media deals between the Tier1 and Tier 2/3 will become larger and the media gap between the Tier2 & 3 less.

Now there is talk even the ACC is looking at Cal and Stanford.

I keep hearing Pac and WAC parallels that mean the Pac won't die. Normally I'd agree, as conferences usually don't go away. But it's the financials and geography that make this a special case. Add in the fact that the Big 10, ACC and/or Big 12 stand to gain big by killing the Pac and it makes sense that the Pac may join the Southwest, Border, American South or Gulf Star Conferences.

(08-07-2023 09:51 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  I keep hearing Pac and WAC parallels that mean the Pac won't die. Normally I'd agree, as conferences usually don't go away. But it's the financials and geography that make this a special case. Add in the fact that the Big 10, ACC and/or Big 12 stand to gain big by killing the Pac and it makes sense that the Pac may join the Southwest, Border, American South or Gulf Star Conferences.

All valid points. But it’s still hard to kill Rasputin.

The latest word from the Big 12 is they have "no interest" in further expansion. The TV deal must seem pretty good to them. Some are floating the idea of a PAC4 and Mountain West merger, but that seems too watered down for Stanford and Cal, in my opinion. And Oregon State and Washington State, also, for that matter. I will never figure out the ACC, especially trying anything with the PAC4. Any final predictions rather than just guesses???

(08-07-2023 10:28 PM)RCI Wrote:  The latest word from the Big 12 is they have "no interest" in further expansion. The TV deal must seem pretty good to them. Some are floating the idea of a PAC4 and Mountain West merger, but that seems too watered down for Stanford and Cal, in my opinion. And Oregon State and Washington State, also, for that matter. I will never figure out the ACC, especially trying anything with the PAC4. Any final predictions rather than just guesses???

the b12 would look better to me if they could sluff off wvu/cincy and the florida school. then they would have a pretty good footprint and less timezones. I like west virginia but I think they fit better in an eastern conference.

(08-07-2023 04:34 PM)RCI Wrote:  New reports are already linking the four remaining PAC 12 members to new conferences. A pair of leagues are reportedly interested in adding the West Coast programs in expansion hopes. The AAC is looking at all four. But Stanford and Cal are possibly looking at the Big 10, or 20, or whatever.

cal and stanford would prefer to hang with aau schools but beggars cant be choosers.

(08-06-2023 06:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  The Pac loses 8 teams in 11 months. The replacements have to be there by then.

NCAA rules allow a two-year grace period to a conference that drops under the 8-school minimum.

I had been half ready to offer the thought that the NCAA would grant waivers, and Stanford has the heft to demand that. Stanford may not be around to need to demand that, however. Shrug.

(08-03-2023 11:25 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Welp! With Arizona voting to join the Big 12 tonight, and surely ASU going with, the dominoes are about to start falling very quickly. Utah will likely join UA and ASU, and there are already rumors of Washington and Oregon, along with Stanford and Cal, heading off to the B1G.

After all that, the PAC 12, *ahem*...I mean the PAC "2", will look like this:

• Oregon State
• Washington State
  

At that point the PAC 12 MUST absorb the entire MWC to survive ‐ with the additions of SMU, and a few others.

If the MWC then goes poaching to remain sranding on its own, which it most certainly has the wherewithal to do, things could get very interesting very quickly for Big Sky, UAC and other FCS conferences/schools. Here we go!

So here we are, down to the "PAC 2" as predicted.

http://amp.awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/smu-...nsion.html

I shall name it "Wazzu & The Beavs"...has a much nicer ring to it. Not to mention the words "PAC 2" are physically hard for me to even speak. But I digress...so, what now?? MWC taking in the homeless, or PAC absorbing most/all the MWC? I still say the latter. The time has come for some of the bigger boys in G5 to step up, and MWC is fertile ground. The next question/domino is who backfills MWC, and who fills in for the departing backfill? No doubt this will affect CUSA and SBC.

IMO there will be no "backfill" and no affect on anyone (by the MW).

Pac2 (OSU/WSU) Merge with all 12 Mountain West teams.

New "PacMountain" or whatever they call it is formed. Fourteen teams.

Whichever Name they use will not matter. They might even call it the "PAC" or the "PAC14".

Done.

(08-29-2023 10:44 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  IMO there will be no "backfill" and no affect on anyone (by the MW).

Pac2 (OSU/WSU) Merge with all 12 Mountain West teams.

New "PacMountain" or whatever they call it is formed. Fourteen teams.

Whichever Name they use will not matter. They might even call it the "PAC" or the "PAC14".

Done.

It will be the PAC that does the absorbing, and I bet they'll be somewhat picky. "Lowly" WAZZU, for instance, has a budget/facilities/support the best MWC schools could only dream of. The disparity between G5 and P5 was absolutely monstrous. Now, even more so. It will be a cold day in Hades before Wyoming is anywhere near the level of Wazzu and The Beavs

"Wazzu" has budget/facilities/support better than Wyoming because they got P5 money. That's gone. Powers that be spoke and said WSU/OSU is on par with all schools in the MWC, including Wyoming. It is what it is.

If the schools in the MWC say pound sand OSU/WSU, the Pac is dead. I have no reason to expect they'd do otherwise at this point. A merger may make sense, as they two combined conferences would get the NCAA payouts of both. But otherwise, there's slim chance any MWC U will be left in the cold.

(08-30-2023 08:56 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  "Wazzu" has budget/facilities/support better than Wyoming because they got P5 money. That's gone. Powers that be spoke and said WSU/OSU is on par with all schools in the MWC, including Wyoming. It is what it is.

If the schools in the MWC say pound sand OSU/WSU, the Pac is dead. I have no reason to expect they'd do otherwise at this point. A merger may make sense, as they two combined conferences would get the NCAA payouts of both. But otherwise, there's slim chance any MWC U will be left in the cold.

Exactly. OSU/WSU have NO Power or control. Picky? They are outnumbered 12 to 2 and are backed into a corner. They are in the water with no life boat and time is running out.

MW teams are united-- no one will be left out.*

Four--Six years from now? Who knows? But for this "round" it will be the PACmw14.

*Let's re-visit this October 2nd and see who got it right--Fair Enough?*