(10-03-2023 04:30 PM)Zorch Wrote:  No team is going to win an FCS championship unless they not only make the playoffs but have a bye and at least 2 home games. Otherwise, it just doesn't happen.

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Just checking for anyone who might know, was Yoder on the sidelines yesterday?

Just noticed on the stats line today, we had the ball only 3 times in 2nd half - a punt and then the two long drives that ended on downs in UVA red zone. Still think we should have kicked the FG on the first one, would have cut the margin to 16-20.

I looked for him and didn't see him there. They did bring injured players yesterday.

(10-08-2023 08:14 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Just checking for anyone who might know, was Yoder on the sidelines yesterday?

Just noticed on the stats line today, we had the ball only 3 times in 2nd half - a punt and then the two long drives that ended on downs in UVA red zone. Still think we should have kicked the FG on the first one, would have cut the margin to 16-20.

Yes, he was in a hat and green polo shirt with his arm in a sling.

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Well it's been a day and I won't belabor the officiating. Beautiful day. Very happy I got to see the Tribe in person.

One thing I got to see sitting in the Tribe section is that Darius is able to throw passes before receivers are out of their breaks. If that's actually in his repertoire we need to make it a part of the offense rather than only waiting to do it when we're behind the sticks. It's very clear he's not great with progressive reads so get the ball out of his hand on some quick hitters and have DBs second guessing to open up room over the top. These roll outs (especially to the damn right) just aren't working.

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Yeah, to my eyes, he rolls out to the right MUCH more than to the left (thus greatly increasing the degree of difficulty) and, also why is there NO screen pass play in our playbook (if its there, it isn't ever used).

I have been told by coaches for years, there are two ways to beat pressure, with misdirection and with screens. We need to try one, once in a while.

They rarely roll to the short side of the field. Its also not difficult to throw on your run to your right, as a left hander if most of the passes are to the sideline. What's difficult is throwing across your body. I'm pretty sure they understand this. Also, they run a lot of delays and draw plays with Wilson as the runner. We rarely run receivers underneath, not even the tight ends. When you see Wilson appear to be running the option, its really just a quick screen to the back. Most of the time it is actually a lateral or forward pass rather than a pitch. I really think Taylor is a savant, but we have no receivers who can separate and none are big bodies. Very tough to call plays for that. I like Mathis as a receiver. We should see more of that as the season progresses.

The departure of Pitts and Newton are killers, but the transfer of Lester was huge. Fast, but with size, and pass catching ability.

(10-08-2023 05:14 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  They rarely roll to the short side of the field. Its also not difficult to throw on your run to your right, as a left hander if most of the passes are to the sideline. What's difficult is throwing across your body. I'm pretty sure they understand this. Also, they run a lot of delays and draw plays with Wilson as the runner. We rarely run receivers underneath, not even the tight ends. When you see Wilson appear to be running the option, its really just a quick screen to the back. Most of the time it is actually a lateral or forward pass rather than a pitch. I really think Taylor is a savant, but we have no receivers who can separate and none are big bodies. Very tough to call plays for that. I like Mathis as a receiver. We should see more of that as the season progresses.

I think it's not hard to throw on the run to your off side.... if the receiver is open. But trying to force it into a tight window is hard when you don't have your feet set. It seems like Darius is hesitant to even try (don't know if this is a good or bad thing tbh). I'm also a huge Taylor fan and I want him to use that big brain to solve this issue. Mathis makes such a difference out there. He adds an entire extra dimension to our offense and I really hope we see more of him all year.

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(10-08-2023 05:03 PM)billymac Wrote:  Yeah, to my eyes, he rolls out to the right MUCH more than to the left (thus greatly increasing the degree of difficulty) and, also why is there NO screen pass play in our playbook (if its there, it isn't ever used).

I have been told by coaches for years, there are two ways to beat pressure, with misdirection and with screens. We need to try one, once in a while.

We ran a nice middle screen to the TE in the 3rd (4th?) quarter on a third and long that got us good yardage and kept the drive going. It was a really nice call, but yeah, we don't do any screens that much.

My take away from the game is that Hollis is very fast and explosive. I have no idea if he has good hands since its a small sample size but I'd love to see him running some deep patterns. He can get separation, or at least force the DB and safety to give him a lot of room which helps the running game. We could really use a deep threat.

How about this...I imagine most here don't need reminding but...:
-In 2008 London's UR returned 16 starters from a team that went to the semis, he returns 15 this year

-'08 London lost his opener to UVA, being shut out 0-16 to a Hoos team that went on to finish 5-7, losing its last four games and finishing second to last in the coastal, we controlled 90% of the first half, put points on the board and had some decent drives on Saturday

-The '08 spiders started the season 4-3 before going on a 9 game winning streak including 2 road championship games (no one needs reminding of who the closest game of those 9 was against) and winning the national championship...we're 4-2 and there's no reason we can't do the same

yes, it was a different time, he did it with someone else's recruits, they played better teams blah blah blah

He's done it before, we had a decent showing at UVA, and we've got a dream schedule ahead of us to get a good seed for the championship. Let's get it done Coach.

We will be a different team when Yoder is back. Our biggest problem the last two games was getting a 4th and 2 or or 4th and 1 and we get those with Yoder. He creates yards where none appear to exist. We beat Elon by 14th with him and Saturday would have been a nail biter.

Losing Yoder has definitely hurt, but the team did not look good in any games except for the opener. The offense simply doesn't move the football with the pass. Having watched a few games live now, I don't put all the blame on Wilson. It looks like no one is open. Last season, Newton and Pitts were open a lot, and that also opened up opportunities for Kendrick especially.

I don't think the team can have ultimate success this season with the weaker passing game we have seen. In the first half Saturday, they had 5 passing yards and only 70 total. I actually thought that the offense played better in the second half even though they scored no points. But, there is time for improvement and hopefully the bye week can be used to work on some schemes and get healthy. Also, Darius took an absolute beating Saturday as did Hollis.

The Tribe was definitely in the game. The two biggest game changing moments were the foolish 15 yd penalty against the Tribe on the kickoff when the ball was a touchback. That hurt field position, momentum, and was frankly stupid. The other was the non-fumble by Hollis at the UVA 20. If the refs watch the same video that we got in the stadium, they can see the ground caused the fumble. A FG there and it is 16-13 at half and perhaps a different game. Not saying they won have definitely won, but it was a major shift following that play. I thought the lack of offense also hurt the defense which was on the field nearly the whole game. I definitely thought UVA was a bad football team and I don't think Elon is good either. But, the Tribe just needs to improve and try to win the rest of its regular season schedule and see where they sends them.

None of the official reviews seemed like the correct call. The rest of the season hopefully there will be at least 3 calls that go in our favor to even that out.

(10-07-2023 01:54 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(10-07-2023 01:43 PM)wrnbldg Wrote:  We are a bad football team. No reason worrying about going out West and winning a playoff game if we can’t beat this horrible UVA team. Year over.

Come on man. I know we are frustrated, but we are not a bad team. We are a legit top 25 team. Top 10 was a bit rich. We have a great fcs defense but are not a complete team. Not the results today I want, but Im happy with what we did. We tried to go more to a passing game than we are comfortable doing. I appreciate that since we've shown very little pass attack before today. Guys were ready to play.

We are built to run. If we are able to develop a semblance of a pass game, our outlook greatly changes.

Sorry, I missed all the comments while I was at the game. Mr. J gave an instant take that addresses my thoughts well. If the Tribe finds a passing game, look out. Also, a lot of great Tribe faithful showed up on Saturday. Let's carry that forward against Towson.

(10-09-2023 03:15 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  

(10-07-2023 01:54 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(10-07-2023 01:43 PM)wrnbldg Wrote:  We are a bad football team. No reason worrying about going out West and winning a playoff game if we can’t beat this horrible UVA team. Year over.

Come on man. I know we are frustrated, but we are not a bad team. We are a legit top 25 team. Top 10 was a bit rich. We have a great fcs defense but are not a complete team. Not the results today I want, but Im happy with what we did. We tried to go more to a passing game than we are comfortable doing. I appreciate that since we've shown very little pass attack before today. Guys were ready to play.

We are built to run. If we are able to develop a semblance of a pass game, our outlook greatly changes.

Sorry, I missed all the comments while I was at the game. Mr. J gave an instant take that addresses my thoughts well. If the Tribe finds a passing game, look out. Also, a lot of great Tribe faithful showed up on Saturday. Let's carry that forward against Towson.

The second half passing attack, if duplicated in both halves of the same game in conjunction with the running attack wins a lot of FCS games.

(10-07-2023 07:34 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:30 PM)Zorch Wrote:  No team is going to win an FCS championship unless they not only make the playoffs but have a bye and at least 2 home games. Otherwise, it just doesn't happen.

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Why did they enter the chat? This is FCS chat. Go play Tulsa and nobody cares.

(10-08-2023 02:19 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Well it's been a day and I won't belabor the officiating. Beautiful day. Very happy I got to see the Tribe in person.

One thing I got to see sitting in the Tribe section is that Darius is able to throw passes before receivers are out of their breaks. If that's actually in his repertoire we need to make it a part of the offense rather than only waiting to do it when we're behind the sticks. It's very clear he's not great with progressive reads so get the ball out of his hand on some quick hitters and have DBs second guessing to open up room over the top. These roll outs (especially to the damn right) just aren't working.

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I remember those kinds of routes with Conklin and Musinski. I might be projecting, but Mayo seems like that kind of WR.

(10-09-2023 11:01 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(10-07-2023 07:34 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:30 PM)Zorch Wrote:  No team is going to win an FCS championship unless they not only make the playoffs but have a bye and at least 2 home games. Otherwise, it just doesn't happen.

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Why did they enter the chat? This is FCS chat. Go play Tulsa and nobody cares.

Well, many of their fans just crave attention so there’s that - but I think his point was that JMU did just that, won 3 road playoff games and then the championship in 2004. It was a great run. If my memory is correct, they won at Lehigh, at Furman, the semi here at Zable and then Montana.

(10-10-2023 08:12 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(10-09-2023 11:01 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(10-07-2023 07:34 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(10-03-2023 04:30 PM)Zorch Wrote:  No team is going to win an FCS championship unless they not only make the playoffs but have a bye and at least 2 home games. Otherwise, it just doesn't happen.

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Why did they enter the chat? This is FCS chat. Go play Tulsa and nobody cares.

Well, many of their fans just crave attention so there’s that - but I think his point was that JMU did just that, won 3 road playoff games and then the championship in 2004. It was a great run. If my memory is correct, they won at Lehigh, at Furman, the semi here at Zable and then Montana.

The exception proves the rule. One has to go back 20 years to find the last (and probably only) example. NDSU and SDSU haven’t won their championships on the road.