clt says colorado is going to be a joke. deion will be gone in two years.

write that down

(07-26-2023 11:21 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 09:26 PM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 09:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 08:34 PM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(07-26-2023 05:47 PM)grapes Wrote:  I think it's safe to say CUSA and the MAC will never touch it so it's really a 4 way race between the PAC, AAC, MWC and the SBC for those 2 automatic playoff spots.

Completely silly thing to say. MAC has had the highest ranked G5 before. An undefeated C-USA team would absolutely be in the running as well.

Good luck with that.

Rice fans aren’t in any position to be talking down to anyone.

Rice 42, Louisiana Tech 41.
¡ScOrEbOaRd!

But your original point is valid, any conference has a legit chance to place an unbeaten team in the playoff/NYD with the right schedule. LaTech in particular is most likely going to the NY6 if you go 13-0 including 3 wins against so-called power conference teams.

I promise you will find few Louisiana Tech fans talking down to anyone these days lol

My argument is that I believe anyone who thinks this is going to be an SEC/Big Ten situation at the G5 level, where your conference champion is basically in regardless if they have 2-3 losses, is mistaken. By the time this next round of realignment shakes out, there won’t be a ton of separation between any of the conferences. Is it more likely the playoff rep will come from the AAC/Sun Belt? Absolutely. That I can agree with.

If the Pac-12 manages to mostly stick together beyond Colorado, USC, and UCLA (I'm doubtful) they likely add SDSU and SMU only. If the Pac-12 lose more members they'll likely be taking more schools from the MWC (think CSU, UNLV, maybe Fresno) than the AAC. They could look to poach Tulane, and maybe Rice (lol), but I don't think those additions really move the needle. I don't think schools like Memphis, UTSA, UNT, or Tulsa are a fit for the Pac-12.

It cannot be stressed enough that there are certain schools in the MWC that are unlikely to be invited to the Pac-12 and now have virtually no shot at the B12 either. Schools like Boise State, Air Force, Utah State, New Mexico, and Wyoming are unlikely to be invited to any power conference. This could make things very interesting if the Pac-12 primarily backfills from the MWC.

If the AAC loses SMU, they could add Boise State, AFA, and another leftover MWC school fairly easily. They could also see if they can entice Army to join (football only) in a scenario where AFA and Navy are already in the AAC. They would need an Olympics-only partner, likely from the A-10, in such a case.

If the AAC keeps SMU, they may add Boise and AFA, or they could stand pat at 14. One scenario of concern is where the entire MWC and Pac-12 remnants merge, leaving them in a position to potentially poach members from the AAC, if their media deal is better.

Overall, the AAC might actually be in a decent position for this realignment cycle as the P5 looks to become the P4. That being said, I'll believe it when I see it. The AAC was once trying to poach from the B12 and we all know how that ended.

I think there are only a few ways this thing can play out....

1. The PAC only loses Colorado and replaces them with SDSU (unlikely)
2. The PAC loses a few programs and adds SDSU, SMU & a few other MWC programs (very likely)
3. The PAC loses a few programs and adds SDSU, SMU, a few other MWC programs, & Tulane (it could happen)

No matter which event unfolds, the MWC will take a serious hit, and their media deal will decline, opening the door for the AAC to add quality programs that will strengthen our position as a power conference. It is a good day to be the AAC.

(07-27-2023 09:39 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I think there are only a few ways this thing can play out....

1. The PAC only loses Colorado and replaces them with SDSU (unlikely)
2. The PAC loses a few programs and adds SDSU, SMU & a few other MWC programs (very likely)
3. The PAC loses a few programs and adds SDSU, SMU, a few other MWC programs, & Tulane (it could happen)

No matter which event unfolds, the MWC will take a serious hit, and their media deal will decline, opening the door for the AAC to add quality programs that will strengthen our position as a power conference. It is a good day to be the AAC.

Especially considering that two MWC schools who likely won't be added by the Pac-12, Boise State and Air Force, should be of great interest to the AAC.

(07-27-2023 06:14 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  I still think any AAC school bolts to the PAC if invited buuuut I think the PAC will start raiding the MWC first. That being said I think all AAC school are now off the table for the Big12 as they have shown they can poach a "Power" league.

Oh and a big "Welcome to the Club" to the PAC12 as they lose the "power" moniker in the next few years. The road to the playoffs just got easier for the AAC.

And damn if the Big12 aint getting spread the **** out. Gonna start calling them BUSA12.

(just C&Ped from the other thread since there are two on this subject...)

It makes me wonder if the distances travelled by the teams involved in these realignments will consume a good portion of the reported money increase.

Monkey wrench: Could the Big 12 add UConn as a partner for Cincinnati, West Virginia and UCF? I mean they have pretty damn good basketball and baseball (contrary to popular opinion the American did not kill their basketball programs) and football could improve with mo money. Big 12 has Houston, Cincinnati, Baylor and you know KANSAS basketball. I'm sure they'd be interested in a reigning national champion.

With respect to UConn, this is why I started the thread the way I did including them. SI reported last night what I was hearing earlier in the day yesterday that getting the other PAC schools was less likely to happen - bringing Big 12 to their secondary preference. Big 12 isn't going to just add one school.

If the rest of the Pac-12 holds together and doesn’t follow Colorado, Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark would like to target Big East basketball member and football independent Connecticut. There is belief within the conference that Yormark is far more enamored with the Huskies than other members. “There is some work to do on studying UConn,” a Big 12 source cautions. But Yormark might have gained further credibility and trust by delivering Colorado. That could empower his pitch to pursue UConn, a basketball gold mine in the northeast but a football underachiever over the last decade.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/26/co...-to-big-12

(07-27-2023 10:51 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  With respect to UConn, this is why I started the thread the way I did including them. SI reported last night what I was hearing earlier in the day yesterday that getting the other PAC schools was less likely to happen - bringing Big 12 to their secondary preference. Big 12 isn't going to just add one school.

If the rest of the Pac-12 holds together and doesn’t follow Colorado, Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark would like to target Big East basketball member and football independent Connecticut. There is belief within the conference that Yormark is far more enamored with the Huskies than other members. “There is some work to do on studying UConn,” a Big 12 source cautions. But Yormark might have gained further credibility and trust by delivering Colorado. That could empower his pitch to pursue UConn, a basketball gold mine in the northeast but a football underachiever over the last decade.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/26/co...-to-big-12

My apologies. Didn't read beginning of thread. Thought I was brilliant for a minute. Carry on

(07-27-2023 11:06 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 10:51 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  With respect to UConn, this is why I started the thread the way I did including them. SI reported last night what I was hearing earlier in the day yesterday that getting the other PAC schools was less likely to happen - bringing Big 12 to their secondary preference. Big 12 isn't going to just add one school.

If the rest of the Pac-12 holds together and doesn’t follow Colorado, Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark would like to target Big East basketball member and football independent Connecticut. There is belief within the conference that Yormark is far more enamored with the Huskies than other members. “There is some work to do on studying UConn,” a Big 12 source cautions. But Yormark might have gained further credibility and trust by delivering Colorado. That could empower his pitch to pursue UConn, a basketball gold mine in the northeast but a football underachiever over the last decade.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/26/co...-to-big-12

My apologies. Didn't read beginning of thread. Thought I was brilliant for a minute. Carry on

Hey, you made a good call. And that wasn't in response to you. Was going to throw that out there because of the SI report and others said UConn has no chance. Personally, I likewise don't necessarily get the affinity with UConn, but it's clear the Commissioner is looking beyond just football. And it seems everyone wants to have a NY/Northeast presence these days. So, I get it and I don't at the same time.

(07-27-2023 11:10 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 11:06 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 10:51 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  With respect to UConn, this is why I started the thread the way I did including them. SI reported last night what I was hearing earlier in the day yesterday that getting the other PAC schools was less likely to happen - bringing Big 12 to their secondary preference. Big 12 isn't going to just add one school.

If the rest of the Pac-12 holds together and doesn’t follow Colorado, Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark would like to target Big East basketball member and football independent Connecticut. There is belief within the conference that Yormark is far more enamored with the Huskies than other members. “There is some work to do on studying UConn,” a Big 12 source cautions. But Yormark might have gained further credibility and trust by delivering Colorado. That could empower his pitch to pursue UConn, a basketball gold mine in the northeast but a football underachiever over the last decade.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/26/co...-to-big-12

My apologies. Didn't read beginning of thread. Thought I was brilliant for a minute. Carry on

Hey, you made a good call. And that wasn't in response to you. Was going to throw that out there because of the SI report and others said UConn has no chance. Personally, I likewise don't necessarily get the affinity with UConn, but it's clear the Commissioner is looking beyond just football. And it seems everyone wants to have a NY/Northeast presence these days. So, I get it and I don't at the same time.

I think UConn might be in play for the sake of Kansas basketball if for nothing else. Certainly UConn would love being in a conference with the basketball powers. In addition, a Big 12 football schedule with some relatively close games and former Big East brothers has to be better than scheduling as an independent. Oklahoma State, TCU, etc or UMass and Liberty?

(07-27-2023 10:51 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  With respect to UConn, this is why I started the thread the way I did including them. SI reported last night what I was hearing earlier in the day yesterday that getting the other PAC schools was less likely to happen - bringing Big 12 to their secondary preference. Big 12 isn't going to just add one school.

If the rest of the Pac-12 holds together and doesn’t follow Colorado, Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark would like to target Big East basketball member and football independent Connecticut. There is belief within the conference that Yormark is far more enamored with the Huskies than other members. “There is some work to do on studying UConn,” a Big 12 source cautions. But Yormark might have gained further credibility and trust by delivering Colorado. That could empower his pitch to pursue UConn, a basketball gold mine in the northeast but a football underachiever over the last decade.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/26/co...-to-big-12

This is now the 38th thread I've posted this question in and I have yet to get an intelligent answer...

If the B12 wants Yukon so badly, then why didnt they add them as the 12th instead of BYU or UCF???

UConn had such a good record against AAC teams (.196 winning percentage), I can see why the B12 would want them. Why not just add a top Texas HS team and call it good?

They want basketball. They would be fine with Yukon being a doormat in football. Someone has to be the Vandy of each league.

(07-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 10:51 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  With respect to UConn, this is why I started the thread the way I did including them. SI reported last night what I was hearing earlier in the day yesterday that getting the other PAC schools was less likely to happen - bringing Big 12 to their secondary preference. Big 12 isn't going to just add one school.

If the rest of the Pac-12 holds together and doesn’t follow Colorado, Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark would like to target Big East basketball member and football independent Connecticut. There is belief within the conference that Yormark is far more enamored with the Huskies than other members. “There is some work to do on studying UConn,” a Big 12 source cautions. But Yormark might have gained further credibility and trust by delivering Colorado. That could empower his pitch to pursue UConn, a basketball gold mine in the northeast but a football underachiever over the last decade.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/26/co...-to-big-12

This is now the 38th thread I've posted this question in and I have yet to get an intelligent answer...

If the B12 wants Yukon so badly, then why didnt they add them as the 12th instead of BYU or UCF???

I can only surmise that the first round of decisions were driven by football only. I imagine Kansas is getting a happy trigger finger with the direction the league is taking in basketball. Interest in UConn could be a conciliatory nod to placate the Jayhawks in an effort to add viable basketball program and prevent Kansas from seeking a different pasture.

(07-26-2023 09:37 PM)ATXUTSAGRAD Wrote:  I would like to add, although I believe UTSA is in no position at the particular moment to move and shouldn’t…

The PAC 12 has tie ins with the Alamo Bowl every year and are very familiar with San Antonio, if they are looking for multiple schools in the central time zone (Texas)

The Big 12 has ties to the Liberty Bowl and is familiar with Memphis. I don't think that has helped. Sun Bowl in El Paso is PAC linked too.

Texas/Central and the PAC being weak are probably bigger factors than a bowl tie in the city.

(07-27-2023 01:44 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(07-27-2023 10:51 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  With respect to UConn, this is why I started the thread the way I did including them. SI reported last night what I was hearing earlier in the day yesterday that getting the other PAC schools was less likely to happen - bringing Big 12 to their secondary preference. Big 12 isn't going to just add one school.

If the rest of the Pac-12 holds together and doesn’t follow Colorado, Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark would like to target Big East basketball member and football independent Connecticut. There is belief within the conference that Yormark is far more enamored with the Huskies than other members. “There is some work to do on studying UConn,” a Big 12 source cautions. But Yormark might have gained further credibility and trust by delivering Colorado. That could empower his pitch to pursue UConn, a basketball gold mine in the northeast but a football underachiever over the last decade.
https://www.si.com/college/2023/07/26/co...-to-big-12

This is now the 38th thread I've posted this question in and I have yet to get an intelligent answer...

If the B12 wants Yukon so badly, then why didnt they add them as the 12th instead of BYU or UCF???

The Big12 doesn't want UConn. They're just using them as a lure to scare another PAC program into joining Colorado. Just like Yormark saying they'll be happy at 14. The Big12 would gladly add Washington, Oregon, and Arizona too. The Big12 is just trying to artificially create a supply and demand issue, so they can get those PAC programs to jump sooner rather than later.

(07-27-2023 01:17 PM)grapes Wrote:  

UTAH State makes zero sense. You have to target Army first. And even if they pass on an invitation, there would be better options left in the MWC.

(07-26-2023 05:47 PM)grapes Wrote:  This is actually great news for the American, let me tell you why.

Starting after next year we will start the first year of the 12 team college football playoff.
The 6 highest conference champions will get an automatic bid.

It's safe to say 4 of the 6 bids will be locked (SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC)
However the other 2 bids are going to be fought over by the PAC, AAC, MWC, SBC, MAC, and CUSA.

I think it's safe to say CUSA and the MAC will never touch it so it's really a 4 way race between the PAC, AAC, MWC and the SBC for those 2 automatic playoff spots.

Two of our biggest competitors for those playoff spots are now in big trouble.

PAC about to get raided
MWC about to get raided

This will weaken both conference and give the AAC an even bigger chance at securing a playoff spot each year.

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Wow...
All that seems very feasible. Good insight.
Makes me think that wont happen like that.