(07-23-2023 11:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 11:32 AM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  There's as much gossip on this site as there is at a suburban women's wine party.

IMO, that's what "sports talk" in all its forms, be it on forums, podcasts, radio, TV shows, whatever - is for.

It's the male equivalent of my wife watching the "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" or "90 day fiance" and the like, and then chatting about it on forums with other women.

True!!

(07-23-2023 01:42 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 12:59 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 09:56 AM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 07:37 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Really, I didn't get that vibe at all. While the Pac-12 tries to ignore that potential doomsday situation, the more pressing concern is if their television deal fails to get close to the Big 12’s (if there is an announcement coming at all)there is a very real chance that certain schools, and perhaps others decide they would prefer to split for the greener pastures of the Big 12 rather than continuing to hope for the best with the Pac-12.

If that happens, then the BIG could nab a few schools also and not look like the bad guys, it will all be commish GK, as he lead the Pac12 away from a 24.5M dollar deal for the open market. This is where he failed, he did not see ESPN walking away from BIG10 negotiations as a sign of ESPN change of strategy. It is going to be interesting, Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff said Friday that no deal would be announced at the conference’s football media day “on purpose, because we want the focus to be on football.”

The commissioner’s comment raised some eyebrows: Did that mean a deal was already done?

“I think you’re reading too much into that,” Kliavkoff said when asked if that was the case.

Cat & Mouse, Pac12 is in the same situation as the Big East was in 2012.

In no world is the B1G following the nBig 12’s lead in realignment. If the Big Ten really wanted more Pac 12 schools, they would move to do so, regardless of what the nBig 12 wants/does.

At Pac 12 media day, UCLA coach Chip Kelly said of the advantage of moving to B1G:

"You're playing on CBS, NBC (and) FOX. You're not going to play a game later than 8 o'clock on the East Coast because of the time slots that the Big Ten has," Kelly said, via Bruin Report Online. "So their exposer to be shown to more of the country is a positive. ... I think the kids in California are excited about playing in that. You get to play at a Michigan, or at a Penn State, or at an Ohio State or a Wisconsin."

UCLA and USC, along with the rest of the BIG schools, have no interest whatsoever in Big Ten After Dark games, none. So there wouldn’t be interest in adding more Pac 12 schools for a media package no one wants any part of. You already have current BIG schools pushing back on playing home dates in November on prime time with NBC, good luck getting Penn State to travel to Seattle for a 10:30 est start on Amazon Prime.

IMO, much of the delay on the Pac 12 media deal was coming from the Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal sector, believing/hoping the delay tactics could eventually bring a BIG invite that’s not coming, not in this media cycle anyway. It’s time to go back to the wife and kids and rebuild the marriage.

If you can’t be with the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.

That's a point, a good one IMO, that I hadn't considered.

I had thought the delay was purely due to the complexity of negotiating the deal and of getting to a number that mollifies the four corners.

But this makes a lot of sense - since a completed deal would mean signing a GOR, which would effectively take moving to the B1G off the table for the next several years, the length of the media deal, that seems like a very compelling reason for those schools with B1G ambitions to want to see the negotiations dragged out until it becomes clear that an invite in the short-term isn't coming.

In my mind, this is one more reason for me to think that defections to the nB12 aren't going to happen, that the nPAC is going to stay together for this media cycle at least.

There was an article Dodd wrote back in March. While it didn't say they were delaying, the info it gave would lead one to reason that Oregon and Washington might want to extend the process.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-966748-post-18...id18831586

I don’t buy it. GK hasn’t even reported actual hard numbers to the university presidents.

If certain presidents are fighting against the fundamental structure of the deal (e.g. 100% streaming) then GK has to keep working to find something more acceptable. And while they might truly be against all streaming in this example, it also doubles as extending the time frame due to GK having to find options that they would approve of. The lack of hard numbers is just a result of the drawn out process.

(07-23-2023 09:56 AM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 07:37 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 09:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  My sense from the PAC 12 media day is that frustration has subsided.

Really, I didn't get that vibe at all. While the Pac-12 tries to ignore that potential doomsday situation, the more pressing concern is if their television deal fails to get close to the Big 12’s (if there is an announcement coming at all)there is a very real chance that certain schools, and perhaps others decide they would prefer to split for the greener pastures of the Big 12 rather than continuing to hope for the best with the Pac-12.

If that happens, then the BIG could nab a few schools also and not look like the bad guys, it will all be commish GK, as he lead the Pac12 away from a 24.5M dollar deal for the open market. This is where he failed, he did not see ESPN walking away from BIG10 negotiations as a sign of ESPN change of strategy. It is going to be interesting, Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff said Friday that no deal would be announced at the conference’s football media day “on purpose, because we want the focus to be on football.”

The commissioner’s comment raised some eyebrows: Did that mean a deal was already done?

“I think you’re reading too much into that,” Kliavkoff said when asked if that was the case.

Cat & Mouse, Pac12 is in the same situation as the Big East was in 2012.

In no world is the B1G following the nBig 12’s lead in realignment. If the Big Ten really wanted more Pac 12 schools, they would move to do so, regardless of what the nBig 12 wants/does.

At Pac 12 media day, UCLA coach Chip Kelly said of the advantage of moving to B1G:

"You're playing on CBS, NBC (and) FOX. You're not going to play a game later than 8 o'clock on the East Coast because of the time slots that the Big Ten has," Kelly said, via Bruin Report Online. "So their exposer to be shown to more of the country is a positive. ... I think the kids in California are excited about playing in that. You get to play at a Michigan, or at a Penn State, or at an Ohio State or a Wisconsin."

UCLA and USC, along with the rest of the BIG schools, have no interest whatsoever in Big Ten After Dark games, none. So there wouldn’t be interest in adding more Pac 12 schools for a media package no one wants any part of. You already have current BIG schools pushing back on playing home dates in November on prime time with NBC, good luck getting Penn State to travel to Seattle for a 10:30 est start on Amazon Prime.

IMO, much of the delay on the Pac 12 media deal was coming from the Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal sector, believing/hoping the delay tactics could eventually bring a BIG invite that’s not coming, not in this media cycle anyway. It’s time to go back to the wife and kids and rebuild the marriage.

If you can’t be with the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.

Their fans may not be on board, nor the Big 10 fans be on board either. USC and UCLA signed their death certificate.

USC will do fine. UCLA is the new Nebraska.

(07-22-2023 05:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  None of these guys know what is going on. It sounds like Colorado is committed to the PAC 12. These idiots wants to throw mud at the PAC 12. There is no hurry to get the deal done now since they still have over a year on their contract left.

Their GOR expires on August 1 2024. Yes, that is just over one year away.

But that's outside the norm for conference TV deals.
The Big Ten deal was announced on August 18, 2022 effective probably July 31 2023. But that was after they brought in valuable new members at the end of June, which was a big surprise. Link

Big 12 signed their deal that starts in 2025, or maybe 2024, in October 2022. (I don't think anybody outside the offices knows if the new deal starts when Texas and Oklahoma leave.)

ACC signed or extended their deals years before they expired. Last time their deal came close to expiring was in 2010, when they announced a deal on July 8 2010 that started with the 2011-12 season. Just under 13 months, a long long time ago. Link

SEC signed their Tier One deal with ESPN December 2020, effective 2024.

PAC 12 signed their last deal in May 2011, effective 2012-13. link

Further down the food chain, the Big East signed our TV contract in December 2012, about six months before the old contract expired. But we had an excuse, we were in the middle of a conference split from the AAC.

The AAC signed their deal in February 2012. Their basketball tv contract was expiring, the football contract had another year to run. link

Mountain West signed their deal in January 2020, effective the next season. link

MAC renewed with ESPN in 2014, three years before the existing deal was supposed to expire. link. We're not too far away from that timeframe on the then-new, now-current MAC deal. Hmmm

Sun Belt extended their deal with ESPN in 2021 through 2030. It looks like that deal extended the deal signed in 2018 to run through 2028. link. They did a new deal in June of 2022, but that looks like it added events, maybe added money, but didn't extend the contract so I'm leaving that out.

Conference USA signed their deal in November 2022 starting in 2023-24. link

In conclusion, if you go into the last year of your TV deal without a new contract, usually it means your conference is a dumpster fire.

(07-23-2023 01:42 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 12:59 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 09:56 AM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 07:37 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Really, I didn't get that vibe at all. While the Pac-12 tries to ignore that potential doomsday situation, the more pressing concern is if their television deal fails to get close to the Big 12’s (if there is an announcement coming at all)there is a very real chance that certain schools, and perhaps others decide they would prefer to split for the greener pastures of the Big 12 rather than continuing to hope for the best with the Pac-12.

If that happens, then the BIG could nab a few schools also and not look like the bad guys, it will all be commish GK, as he lead the Pac12 away from a 24.5M dollar deal for the open market. This is where he failed, he did not see ESPN walking away from BIG10 negotiations as a sign of ESPN change of strategy. It is going to be interesting, Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff said Friday that no deal would be announced at the conference’s football media day “on purpose, because we want the focus to be on football.”

The commissioner’s comment raised some eyebrows: Did that mean a deal was already done?

“I think you’re reading too much into that,” Kliavkoff said when asked if that was the case.

Cat & Mouse, Pac12 is in the same situation as the Big East was in 2012.

In no world is the B1G following the nBig 12’s lead in realignment. If the Big Ten really wanted more Pac 12 schools, they would move to do so, regardless of what the nBig 12 wants/does.

At Pac 12 media day, UCLA coach Chip Kelly said of the advantage of moving to B1G:

"You're playing on CBS, NBC (and) FOX. You're not going to play a game later than 8 o'clock on the East Coast because of the time slots that the Big Ten has," Kelly said, via Bruin Report Online. "So their exposer to be shown to more of the country is a positive. ... I think the kids in California are excited about playing in that. You get to play at a Michigan, or at a Penn State, or at an Ohio State or a Wisconsin."

UCLA and USC, along with the rest of the BIG schools, have no interest whatsoever in Big Ten After Dark games, none. So there wouldn’t be interest in adding more Pac 12 schools for a media package no one wants any part of. You already have current BIG schools pushing back on playing home dates in November on prime time with NBC, good luck getting Penn State to travel to Seattle for a 10:30 est start on Amazon Prime.

IMO, much of the delay on the Pac 12 media deal was coming from the Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal sector, believing/hoping the delay tactics could eventually bring a BIG invite that’s not coming, not in this media cycle anyway. It’s time to go back to the wife and kids and rebuild the marriage.

If you can’t be with the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.

That's a point, a good one IMO, that I hadn't considered.

I had thought the delay was purely due to the complexity of negotiating the deal and of getting to a number that mollifies the four corners.

But this makes a lot of sense - since a completed deal would mean signing a GOR, which would effectively take moving to the B1G off the table for the next several years, the length of the media deal, that seems like a very compelling reason for those schools with B1G ambitions to want to see the negotiations dragged out until it becomes clear that an invite in the short-term isn't coming.

In my mind, this is one more reason for me to think that defections to the nB12 aren't going to happen, that the nPAC is going to stay together for this media cycle at least.

There was an article Dodd wrote back in March. While it didn't say they were delaying, the info it gave would lead one to reason that Oregon and Washington might want to extend the process.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-966748-post-18...id18831586

I don’t buy it. GK hasn’t even reported actual hard numbers to the university presidents.

And yet there is an agreement between all the PAC schools to sign a GOR once the deal is finalized. Yes, they have a good idea what the numbers will be unless recent actions may add to it.

(07-24-2023 05:04 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 01:42 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 12:59 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 09:56 AM)BruinNation Wrote:  In no world is the B1G following the nBig 12’s lead in realignment. If the Big Ten really wanted more Pac 12 schools, they would move to do so, regardless of what the nBig 12 wants/does.

At Pac 12 media day, UCLA coach Chip Kelly said of the advantage of moving to B1G:

"You're playing on CBS, NBC (and) FOX. You're not going to play a game later than 8 o'clock on the East Coast because of the time slots that the Big Ten has," Kelly said, via Bruin Report Online. "So their exposer to be shown to more of the country is a positive. ... I think the kids in California are excited about playing in that. You get to play at a Michigan, or at a Penn State, or at an Ohio State or a Wisconsin."

UCLA and USC, along with the rest of the BIG schools, have no interest whatsoever in Big Ten After Dark games, none. So there wouldn’t be interest in adding more Pac 12 schools for a media package no one wants any part of. You already have current BIG schools pushing back on playing home dates in November on prime time with NBC, good luck getting Penn State to travel to Seattle for a 10:30 est start on Amazon Prime.

IMO, much of the delay on the Pac 12 media deal was coming from the Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal sector, believing/hoping the delay tactics could eventually bring a BIG invite that’s not coming, not in this media cycle anyway. It’s time to go back to the wife and kids and rebuild the marriage.

If you can’t be with the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.

That's a point, a good one IMO, that I hadn't considered.

I had thought the delay was purely due to the complexity of negotiating the deal and of getting to a number that mollifies the four corners.

But this makes a lot of sense - since a completed deal would mean signing a GOR, which would effectively take moving to the B1G off the table for the next several years, the length of the media deal, that seems like a very compelling reason for those schools with B1G ambitions to want to see the negotiations dragged out until it becomes clear that an invite in the short-term isn't coming.

In my mind, this is one more reason for me to think that defections to the nB12 aren't going to happen, that the nPAC is going to stay together for this media cycle at least.

There was an article Dodd wrote back in March. While it didn't say they were delaying, the info it gave would lead one to reason that Oregon and Washington might want to extend the process.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-966748-post-18...id18831586

I don’t buy it. GK hasn’t even reported actual hard numbers to the university presidents.

And yet there is an agreement between all the PAC schools to sign a GOR once the deal is finalized. Yes, they have a good idea what the numbers will be unless recent actions may add to it.

The have agreed to a framework for the GOR, not an actual GOR. It is meaningless at this point until an agreement is at hand.

(07-23-2023 01:42 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 12:59 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 09:56 AM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 07:37 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Really, I didn't get that vibe at all. While the Pac-12 tries to ignore that potential doomsday situation, the more pressing concern is if their television deal fails to get close to the Big 12’s (if there is an announcement coming at all)there is a very real chance that certain schools, and perhaps others decide they would prefer to split for the greener pastures of the Big 12 rather than continuing to hope for the best with the Pac-12.

If that happens, then the BIG could nab a few schools also and not look like the bad guys, it will all be commish GK, as he lead the Pac12 away from a 24.5M dollar deal for the open market. This is where he failed, he did not see ESPN walking away from BIG10 negotiations as a sign of ESPN change of strategy. It is going to be interesting, Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff said Friday that no deal would be announced at the conference’s football media day “on purpose, because we want the focus to be on football.”

The commissioner’s comment raised some eyebrows: Did that mean a deal was already done?

“I think you’re reading too much into that,” Kliavkoff said when asked if that was the case.

Cat & Mouse, Pac12 is in the same situation as the Big East was in 2012.

In no world is the B1G following the nBig 12’s lead in realignment. If the Big Ten really wanted more Pac 12 schools, they would move to do so, regardless of what the nBig 12 wants/does.

At Pac 12 media day, UCLA coach Chip Kelly said of the advantage of moving to B1G:

"You're playing on CBS, NBC (and) FOX. You're not going to play a game later than 8 o'clock on the East Coast because of the time slots that the Big Ten has," Kelly said, via Bruin Report Online. "So their exposer to be shown to more of the country is a positive. ... I think the kids in California are excited about playing in that. You get to play at a Michigan, or at a Penn State, or at an Ohio State or a Wisconsin."

UCLA and USC, along with the rest of the BIG schools, have no interest whatsoever in Big Ten After Dark games, none. So there wouldn’t be interest in adding more Pac 12 schools for a media package no one wants any part of. You already have current BIG schools pushing back on playing home dates in November on prime time with NBC, good luck getting Penn State to travel to Seattle for a 10:30 est start on Amazon Prime.

IMO, much of the delay on the Pac 12 media deal was coming from the Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal sector, believing/hoping the delay tactics could eventually bring a BIG invite that’s not coming, not in this media cycle anyway. It’s time to go back to the wife and kids and rebuild the marriage.

If you can’t be with the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.

That's a point, a good one IMO, that I hadn't considered.

I had thought the delay was purely due to the complexity of negotiating the deal and of getting to a number that mollifies the four corners.

But this makes a lot of sense - since a completed deal would mean signing a GOR, which would effectively take moving to the B1G off the table for the next several years, the length of the media deal, that seems like a very compelling reason for those schools with B1G ambitions to want to see the negotiations dragged out until it becomes clear that an invite in the short-term isn't coming.

In my mind, this is one more reason for me to think that defections to the nB12 aren't going to happen, that the nPAC is going to stay together for this media cycle at least.

There was an article Dodd wrote back in March. While it didn't say they were delaying, the info it gave would lead one to reason that Oregon and Washington might want to extend the process.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-966748-post-18...id18831586

I don’t buy it. GK hasn’t even reported actual hard numbers to the university presidents.

Oregon and UW have every reason to extend the process until they get a firm yes or no from the B1G. A "yes, but the Pac needs to have some defections first" seems to be what was on offer a few months ago, though that might have been just a rumor, or it might have changed now. Everyone OTHER THAN UW/UO has a strong incentive to find out hard numbers sooner rather than later so that they can plan for 2024 and into the future.

(07-24-2023 05:04 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 01:42 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 12:59 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 11:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 09:56 AM)BruinNation Wrote:  In no world is the B1G following the nBig 12’s lead in realignment. If the Big Ten really wanted more Pac 12 schools, they would move to do so, regardless of what the nBig 12 wants/does.

At Pac 12 media day, UCLA coach Chip Kelly said of the advantage of moving to B1G:

"You're playing on CBS, NBC (and) FOX. You're not going to play a game later than 8 o'clock on the East Coast because of the time slots that the Big Ten has," Kelly said, via Bruin Report Online. "So their exposer to be shown to more of the country is a positive. ... I think the kids in California are excited about playing in that. You get to play at a Michigan, or at a Penn State, or at an Ohio State or a Wisconsin."

UCLA and USC, along with the rest of the BIG schools, have no interest whatsoever in Big Ten After Dark games, none. So there wouldn’t be interest in adding more Pac 12 schools for a media package no one wants any part of. You already have current BIG schools pushing back on playing home dates in November on prime time with NBC, good luck getting Penn State to travel to Seattle for a 10:30 est start on Amazon Prime.

IMO, much of the delay on the Pac 12 media deal was coming from the Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal sector, believing/hoping the delay tactics could eventually bring a BIG invite that’s not coming, not in this media cycle anyway. It’s time to go back to the wife and kids and rebuild the marriage.

If you can’t be with the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.

That's a point, a good one IMO, that I hadn't considered.

I had thought the delay was purely due to the complexity of negotiating the deal and of getting to a number that mollifies the four corners.

But this makes a lot of sense - since a completed deal would mean signing a GOR, which would effectively take moving to the B1G off the table for the next several years, the length of the media deal, that seems like a very compelling reason for those schools with B1G ambitions to want to see the negotiations dragged out until it becomes clear that an invite in the short-term isn't coming.

In my mind, this is one more reason for me to think that defections to the nB12 aren't going to happen, that the nPAC is going to stay together for this media cycle at least.

There was an article Dodd wrote back in March. While it didn't say they were delaying, the info it gave would lead one to reason that Oregon and Washington might want to extend the process.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-966748-post-18...id18831586

I don’t buy it. GK hasn’t even reported actual hard numbers to the university presidents.

And yet there is an agreement between all the PAC schools to sign a GOR once the deal is finalized. Yes, they have a good idea what the numbers will be unless recent actions may add to it.

Sure. Sure they do.

(07-23-2023 09:56 AM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 07:37 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 09:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  My sense from the PAC 12 media day is that frustration has subsided.

Really, I didn't get that vibe at all. While the Pac-12 tries to ignore that potential doomsday situation, the more pressing concern is if their television deal fails to get close to the Big 12’s (if there is an announcement coming at all)there is a very real chance that certain schools, and perhaps others decide they would prefer to split for the greener pastures of the Big 12 rather than continuing to hope for the best with the Pac-12.

If that happens, then the BIG could nab a few schools also and not look like the bad guys, it will all be commish GK, as he lead the Pac12 away from a 24.5M dollar deal for the open market. This is where he failed, he did not see ESPN walking away from BIG10 negotiations as a sign of ESPN change of strategy. It is going to be interesting, Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff said Friday that no deal would be announced at the conference’s football media day “on purpose, because we want the focus to be on football.”

The commissioner’s comment raised some eyebrows: Did that mean a deal was already done?

“I think you’re reading too much into that,” Kliavkoff said when asked if that was the case.

Cat & Mouse, Pac12 is in the same situation as the Big East was in 2012.

In no world is the B1G following the nBig 12’s lead in realignment. If the Big Ten really wanted more Pac 12 schools, they would move to do so, regardless of what the nBig 12 wants/does.

At Pac 12 media day, UCLA coach Chip Kelly said of the advantage of moving to B1G:

"You're playing on CBS, NBC (and) FOX. You're not going to play a game later than 8 o'clock on the East Coast because of the time slots that the Big Ten has," Kelly said, via Bruin Report Online. "So their exposer to be shown to more of the country is a positive. ... I think the kids in California are excited about playing in that. You get to play at a Michigan, or at a Penn State, or at an Ohio State or a Wisconsin."

UCLA and USC, along with the rest of the BIG schools, have no interest whatsoever in Big Ten After Dark games, none. So there wouldn’t be interest in adding more Pac 12 schools for a media package no one wants any part of. You already have current BIG schools pushing back on playing home dates in November on prime time with NBC, good luck getting Penn State to travel to Seattle for a 10:30 est start on Amazon Prime.

IMO, much of the delay on the Pac 12 media deal was coming from the Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal sector, believing/hoping the delay tactics could eventually bring a BIG invite that’s not coming, not in this media cycle anyway. It’s time to go back to the wife and kids and rebuild the marriage.

If you can’t be with the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrOn15wmJRs

"if colorado or Arizona...they appear the most likely candidates to leave the pac 12 for the big 12...does that mean they're going to do it? Absolutely not. Could they do it? Absolutely. If they do that, again that's a big if, if they do that, I've been told by people that I trust that at that point the big 10 could take a harder look at Oregon and Washington because at that point, Oregon and Washington, not that they're not desperate now, but they'd be even more desperate to get out of the league. They could get Oregon and Washington for even a smaller share until they gradually ramp them up to a full share."

"I'm told that the Big 10 and Fox do not want to have blood on their hands...(or) they're the reason that the Pac 12 blew up"

McMurphy interview from a couple months ago on 365 sports.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm going to take McMurphy's word on this over some random internet poster's theorizing.

(07-23-2023 07:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 09:56 AM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(07-23-2023 07:37 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-22-2023 09:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  My sense from the PAC 12 media day is that frustration has subsided.

Really, I didn't get that vibe at all. While the Pac-12 tries to ignore that potential doomsday situation, the more pressing concern is if their television deal fails to get close to the Big 12’s (if there is an announcement coming at all)there is a very real chance that certain schools, and perhaps others decide they would prefer to split for the greener pastures of the Big 12 rather than continuing to hope for the best with the Pac-12.

If that happens, then the BIG could nab a few schools also and not look like the bad guys, it will all be commish GK, as he lead the Pac12 away from a 24.5M dollar deal for the open market. This is where he failed, he did not see ESPN walking away from BIG10 negotiations as a sign of ESPN change of strategy. It is going to be interesting, Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff said Friday that no deal would be announced at the conference’s football media day “on purpose, because we want the focus to be on football.”

The commissioner’s comment raised some eyebrows: Did that mean a deal was already done?

“I think you’re reading too much into that,” Kliavkoff said when asked if that was the case.

Cat & Mouse, Pac12 is in the same situation as the Big East was in 2012.

In no world is the B1G following the nBig 12’s lead in realignment. If the Big Ten really wanted more Pac 12 schools, they would move to do so, regardless of what the nBig 12 wants/does.

At Pac 12 media day, UCLA coach Chip Kelly said of the advantage of moving to B1G:

"You're playing on CBS, NBC (and) FOX. You're not going to play a game later than 8 o'clock on the East Coast because of the time slots that the Big Ten has," Kelly said, via Bruin Report Online. "So their exposer to be shown to more of the country is a positive. ... I think the kids in California are excited about playing in that. You get to play at a Michigan, or at a Penn State, or at an Ohio State or a Wisconsin."

UCLA and USC, along with the rest of the BIG schools, have no interest whatsoever in Big Ten After Dark games, none. So there wouldn’t be interest in adding more Pac 12 schools for a media package no one wants any part of. You already have current BIG schools pushing back on playing home dates in November on prime time with NBC, good luck getting Penn State to travel to Seattle for a 10:30 est start on Amazon Prime.

IMO, much of the delay on the Pac 12 media deal was coming from the Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal sector, believing/hoping the delay tactics could eventually bring a BIG invite that’s not coming, not in this media cycle anyway. It’s time to go back to the wife and kids and rebuild the marriage.

If you can’t be with the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.

Their fans may not be on board, nor the Big 10 fans be on board either. USC and UCLA signed their death certificate.

That might be the first post of yours I've seen all month without "Boise" in it. Congratulations for branching out!

(07-23-2023 07:43 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  USC will do fine. UCLA is the new Nebraska.

UCLA has been doing just fine hanging with most of the B1G even on their Pac budget. And unlike Nebraska, UCLA is joining the B1G with a full share from day 1. They might struggle, but if so, it won't be for the same reasons that Nebraska struggled.

(07-24-2023 05:52 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

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(07-22-2023 09:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  My sense from the PAC 12 media day is that frustration has subsided.

Really, I didn't get that vibe at all. While the Pac-12 tries to ignore that potential doomsday situation, the more pressing concern is if their television deal fails to get close to the Big 12’s (if there is an announcement coming at all)there is a very real chance that certain schools, and perhaps others decide they would prefer to split for the greener pastures of the Big 12 rather than continuing to hope for the best with the Pac-12.

If that happens, then the BIG could nab a few schools also and not look like the bad guys, it will all be commish GK, as he lead the Pac12 away from a 24.5M dollar deal for the open market. This is where he failed, he did not see ESPN walking away from BIG10 negotiations as a sign of ESPN change of strategy. It is going to be interesting, Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff said Friday that no deal would be announced at the conference’s football media day “on purpose, because we want the focus to be on football.”

The commissioner’s comment raised some eyebrows: Did that mean a deal was already done?

“I think you’re reading too much into that,” Kliavkoff said when asked if that was the case.

Cat & Mouse, Pac12 is in the same situation as the Big East was in 2012.

In no world is the B1G following the nBig 12’s lead in realignment. If the Big Ten really wanted more Pac 12 schools, they would move to do so, regardless of what the nBig 12 wants/does.

At Pac 12 media day, UCLA coach Chip Kelly said of the advantage of moving to B1G:

"You're playing on CBS, NBC (and) FOX. You're not going to play a game later than 8 o'clock on the East Coast because of the time slots that the Big Ten has," Kelly said, via Bruin Report Online. "So their exposer to be shown to more of the country is a positive. ... I think the kids in California are excited about playing in that. You get to play at a Michigan, or at a Penn State, or at an Ohio State or a Wisconsin."

UCLA and USC, along with the rest of the BIG schools, have no interest whatsoever in Big Ten After Dark games, none. So there wouldn’t be interest in adding more Pac 12 schools for a media package no one wants any part of. You already have current BIG schools pushing back on playing home dates in November on prime time with NBC, good luck getting Penn State to travel to Seattle for a 10:30 est start on Amazon Prime.

IMO, much of the delay on the Pac 12 media deal was coming from the Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Cal sector, believing/hoping the delay tactics could eventually bring a BIG invite that’s not coming, not in this media cycle anyway. It’s time to go back to the wife and kids and rebuild the marriage.

If you can’t be with the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrOn15wmJRs

"if colorado or Arizona...they appear the most likely candidates to leave the pac 12 for the big 12...does that mean they're going to do it? Absolutely not. Could they do it? Absolutely. If they do that, again that's a big if, if they do that, I've been told by people that I trust that at that point the big 10 could take a harder look at Oregon and Washington because at that point, Oregon and Washington, not that they're not desperate now, but they'd be even more desperate to get out of the league. They could get Oregon and Washington for even a smaller share until they gradually ramp them up to a full share."

"I'm told that the Big 10 and Fox do not want to have blood on their hands...(or) they're the reason that the Pac 12 blew up"

McMurphy interview from a couple months ago on 365 sports.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm going to take McMurphy's word on this over some random internet poster's theorizing.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/the-big-t...-this-year

“At this point, we're not looking at that. We had a discussion about that earlier this year, and we decided that we’re just gonna pause and integrate USC and UCLA,” Smith told Eleven Warriors in an interview on this week’s Real Pod Wednesdays. “We always look at it. And we'll probably look at it again next year at some point. But I don't see us doing anything at this point in time.”

Gene Smith interview from one month ago on the Eleven Warriors site.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm going to take Gene Smith’s word on this over some random internet poster's theorizing as well. Even with a Kevin Warren planted McMurphy take.

(07-23-2023 11:32 AM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  There's as much gossip on this site as there is at a suburban women's wine party.

Snark, too.