(06-23-2023 09:28 AM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 08:57 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Not interested in whatever argument is going on here.

Just here to say I'm happy an EMU player was drafted and wish Emoni the best of luck in the NBA (as I would for any EMU athlete).

I couldn't have said it any better! Anytime anyone that gets EASTERN Michigan mentioned multiple times is a beautiful thing!

I think most of this debate is a glass half full vs half empty perspective. Some are pointing out what EMU did not get from Emoni Bates playing at EMU, while others pointing out what EMU did get.

In any case, I wish Emoni Bates the best luck and success!!! …For his sake alone of course. But also to keep getting EASTERN Michigan mentioned nationally as you say.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxhxa5K84qQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f_zWxgMsrLc

(06-23-2023 07:27 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 04:08 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 01:24 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 01:12 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 10:14 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Then why even post on the thread dude?

Also emoni didn't do squat for EMU while he was here. Don't even bring up ticket sales or notoriety. That was out the window after about 5 games. start talking about something sense able like soccer, lacrosse, football, volleyball even golf!

Then post in a different thread. you're adding nothing to this conversation. Kindly see yourself out.

I got a better suggestion. Stop it with this flash in the pan emoni bate.and start talking about real EMU sports! I thought it was stupid from very beginning. All most everyone on here said he was a one and done. He gone let it go. He had no interest in coming in the first place and only when I one else want him rumors has it they finally had to pay him to come here. So stop it with BS how now after he might make the NBA he's going to all these great things for EMU. Put the drink down and face reality.

Incoherent. I literally tried to read this mess 3 times. It makes no sense at all. You were either drunk when you typed this or you were having a medical emergency. I can't believe you looked at your post with all the squiggly red lines under words and said, "Yep looks good, let's hit the post reply button now."

Read squiggly lines? The only ones I see are under coffee.. you need to upgrade your grammar checker. lol! ?????????????????

(06-23-2023 06:39 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Cleveland's only pick was Bates. That's pretty neat. I wish he went somewhere with a little more veteran leadership but thats a place he WON'T have the be THE GUY and that's the best thing for him. I predict he'll have a decent NBA career as a situational bench guy who can provide microwave points off the bench.

I have agreed with your assessment on Bates throughout your posts- very accurate and perceptive. Cleveland seems to be a decent team that relies heavily on their starting 5 and get some minutes from a couple taller wings off the bench possibly offsetting the height limitations of their starting backcourt. This might be the perfect role for Emoni Bates. If he meets his potential and improves his defense, this could be a boon for Cleveland. And more importantly a no pressure objective for Emoni Bates to strive for over the next couple of years.

He was the best player on EMU’s team but was not capable of shouldering that load given his state of development- probably both skill wise and emotionally. This could be a much better situation for him even if it does not have the veteran leadership you were hoping for.

(06-23-2023 07:16 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 01:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 11:27 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  2 things are clear so far:

1) Emoni Bates is not a first round pick. (Jerry, feel free to gloat)

2) Superfan has some anger issues.

2nd round 49th! He did more for Eastern Michigan basketball then anyone has the past 25 years! Eastern Michigan was mentioned by Jay Bilas and JJ Redick 5 times. Wish him nothing but the best........

But he didn't help us win. Any thing. In fact he may have cost some talented players who were disenchanted with its all about Emoni approach last season and elected to transfer. As one NBA scout stated Emoni was a circus and therefore our program was a circus last season. But it get him drafted which apparently was the main goal last season vs a winning program. Good luck to him.

Didn't help us win? It couldn't have possibly been that his teammates were terrible! No way that could have been a factor!

Bob I really suggest you read the NBA scout assessments. They are far from flattering about his play and maturity. I am happy he got drafted.

(06-23-2023 07:25 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:16 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 01:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 11:27 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  2 things are clear so far:

1) Emoni Bates is not a first round pick. (Jerry, feel free to gloat)

2) Superfan has some anger issues.

2nd round 49th! He did more for Eastern Michigan basketball then anyone has the past 25 years! Eastern Michigan was mentioned by Jay Bilas and JJ Redick 5 times. Wish him nothing but the best........

But he didn't help us win. Any thing. In fact he may have cost some talented players who were disenchanted with its all about Emoni approach last season and elected to transfer. As one NBA scout stated Emoni was a circus and therefore our program was a circus last season. But it get him drafted which apparently was the main goal last season vs a winning program. Good luck to him.

Didn't help us win? It couldn't have possibly been that his teammates were terrible! No way that could have been a factor!

Bates did more for the Team this year than Supe has done for any conversation or thread about Bates.

I have to see Carl play hoops. But Carl did serve in the Marines in Vietnam and works with troubled youth. So which person do you think contributes more to our society?

[quote='RamyEMU' pid='18991096' dateline='1687532931']
Super/79, you are stating things about Emoni Bates and his role at EMU that no one can actually discern especially from an outside perspective. The season did not go as planned- not for the players, not for the coaches, not for EMU, and not for Emoni Bates. Who do you blame for that, impossible to say. It happens (usually not this bad, but stil…). Time to move on.

I certainly don’t think you can blame one player. Also want to point out Vanzee’s tweet about UM’s season just for perspective…
https://twitter.com/thevannzee/status/16...7282432004
[/quote

The team was better the year before without him. Look at the record and schedule. As I Bob read the scouting report many depict what we saw him do on the court at EMU. Their words not mine. I am glad he got drafted.

(06-23-2023 01:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 11:27 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  2 things are clear so far:

1) Emoni Bates is not a first round pick. (Jerry, feel free to gloat)

2) Superfan has some anger issues.

2nd round 49th! He did more for Eastern Michigan basketball then anyone has the past 25 years! Eastern Michigan was mentioned by Jay Bilas and JJ Redick 5 times. Wish him nothing but the best........

But he didn't help us win. Any thing. In fact he may have cost some talented players who were disenchanted with its all about Emoni approach last season and elected to transfer. As one NBA scout stated Emoni was a circus and therefore our program was a circus last season. But it get him drafted which apparently was the main goal last season vs a winning program. Good luck to him.

See this guy gets it.

(06-23-2023 11:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:25 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:16 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 01:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 11:27 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  2nd round 49th! He did more for Eastern Michigan basketball then anyone has the past 25 years! Eastern Michigan was mentioned by Jay Bilas and JJ Redick 5 times. Wish him nothing but the best........

But he didn't help us win. Any thing. In fact he may have cost some talented players who were disenchanted with its all about Emoni approach last season and elected to transfer. As one NBA scout stated Emoni was a circus and therefore our program was a circus last season. But it get him drafted which apparently was the main goal last season vs a winning program. Good luck to him.

Didn't help us win? It couldn't have possibly been that his teammates were terrible! No way that could have been a factor!

Bates did more for the Team this year than Supe has done for any conversation or thread about Bates.

I have to see Carl play hoops. But Carl did serve in the Marines in Vietnam and works with troubled youth. So which person do you think contributes more to our society?

Well said.

Bates has a lot of work to do so be mentioned in the same sentence as Carl when it comes to humanitarian contributions. Or contributions to EMU for that matter.

(06-23-2023 12:11 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 11:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:25 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:16 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 01:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  But he didn't help us win. Any thing. In fact he may have cost some talented players who were disenchanted with its all about Emoni approach last season and elected to transfer. As one NBA scout stated Emoni was a circus and therefore our program was a circus last season. But it get him drafted which apparently was the main goal last season vs a winning program. Good luck to him.

Didn't help us win? It couldn't have possibly been that his teammates were terrible! No way that could have been a factor!

Bates did more for the Team this year than Supe has done for any conversation or thread about Bates.

I have to see Carl play hoops. But Carl did serve in the Marines in Vietnam and works with troubled youth. So which person do you think contributes more to our society?

Well said.

Bates has a lot of work to do so be mentioned in the same sentence as Carl when it comes to humanitarian contributions. Or contributions to EMU for that matter.

Some fair points, Bovine/79. Superfan’s contributions are clear. But I must also say his flaws are also clear. This is probably a normal dichotomy for any individual.

Same goes for Emoni Bates. As a mere twelve year old he initiated support for Ty Groce suffering from depression- and his father followed suit- simply because he was a member of the Ypsi community in trouble. When Emoni Bates was at the height of his prestige in high school, he treated the offer from them EMU coach Rob Murphy with the outmost respect and did so VERY PUBLICLY… are you guys getting my points?

(06-23-2023 01:44 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 12:11 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 11:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:25 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:16 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Didn't help us win? It couldn't have possibly been that his teammates were terrible! No way that could have been a factor!

Bates did more for the Team this year than Supe has done for any conversation or thread about Bates.

I have to see Carl play hoops. But Carl did serve in the Marines in Vietnam and works with troubled youth. So which person do you think contributes more to our society?

Well said.

Bates has a lot of work to do so be mentioned in the same sentence as Carl when it comes to humanitarian contributions. Or contributions to EMU for that matter.

Some fair points, Bovine/79. Superfan’s contributions are clear. But I must also say his flaws are also clear. This is probably a normal dichotomy for any individual.

Same goes for Emoni Bates. As a mere twelve year old he initiated support for Ty Groce suffering from depression- and his father followed suit- simply because he was a member of the Ypsi community in trouble. When Emoni Bates was at the height of his prestige in high school, he treated the offer from them EMU coach Rob Murphy with the outmost respect and did so VERY PUBLICLY… are you guys getting my points?

To be clear I'm not roasting Carl as a person - merely as a poster on any post relating to Emoni Bates. He absolutely has contributed to the world at large - just not any conversation about Bates.

(06-23-2023 11:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:25 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:16 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 01:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 11:27 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  2nd round 49th! He did more for Eastern Michigan basketball then anyone has the past 25 years! Eastern Michigan was mentioned by Jay Bilas and JJ Redick 5 times. Wish him nothing but the best........

But he didn't help us win. Any thing. In fact he may have cost some talented players who were disenchanted with its all about Emoni approach last season and elected to transfer. As one NBA scout stated Emoni was a circus and therefore our program was a circus last season. But it get him drafted which apparently was the main goal last season vs a winning program. Good luck to him.

Didn't help us win? It couldn't have possibly been that his teammates were terrible! No way that could have been a factor!

Bates did more for the Team this year than Supe has done for any conversation or thread about Bates.

I have to see Carl play hoops. But Carl did serve in the Marines in Vietnam and works with troubled youth. So which person do you think contributes more to our society?

I applaud Carl for both of these distinguished contributions

(06-23-2023 02:04 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 01:44 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 12:11 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 11:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:25 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Bates did more for the Team this year than Supe has done for any conversation or thread about Bates.

I have to see Carl play hoops. But Carl did serve in the Marines in Vietnam and works with troubled youth. So which person do you think contributes more to our society?

Well said.

Bates has a lot of work to do so be mentioned in the same sentence as Carl when it comes to humanitarian contributions. Or contributions to EMU for that matter.

Some fair points, Bovine/79. Superfan’s contributions are clear. But I must also say his flaws are also clear. This is probably a normal dichotomy for any individual.

Same goes for Emoni Bates. As a mere twelve year old he initiated support for Ty Groce suffering from depression- and his father followed suit- simply because he was a member of the Ypsi community in trouble. When Emoni Bates was at the height of his prestige in high school, he treated the offer from them EMU coach Rob Murphy with the outmost respect and did so VERY PUBLICLY… are you guys getting my points?

To be clear I'm not roasting Carl as a person - merely as a poster on any post relating to Emoni Bates. He absolutely has contributed to the world at large - just not any conversation about Bates.

Me as well. I'm not trying to attack emoni what I want to do is shut down what's to me is a cult of his on here. I hope does good . But to imply that he's going to or has done great things for EMU is outrageous. All I heard on here and on campus was we got emoni Bates! So what he hasn't proven to be that big a deal here. And to compare to dials is just as outrageous. Dials spent four years here got his degree here was very well like and supported school and students. Also if I remember rightly he was a walk on that earned his scholarship. Another poster stated that emoni was the greatest thing happen here in 25 years! Well given what we've been through the l ast 25 with coaches. That's not saying much. Again my anger isn't with Bates it's with his cult followers.

(06-23-2023 01:44 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 12:11 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 11:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:25 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 07:16 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Didn't help us win? It couldn't have possibly been that his teammates were terrible! No way that could have been a factor!

Bates did more for the Team this year than Supe has done for any conversation or thread about Bates.

I have to see Carl play hoops. But Carl did serve in the Marines in Vietnam and works with troubled youth. So which person do you think contributes more to our society?

Well said.

Bates has a lot of work to do so be mentioned in the same sentence as Carl when it comes to humanitarian contributions. Or contributions to EMU for that matter.

Some fair points, Bovine/79. Superfan’s contributions are clear. But I must also say his flaws are also clear. This is probably a normal dichotomy for any individual.

Same goes for Emoni Bates. As a mere twelve year old he initiated support for Ty Groce suffering from depression- and his father followed suit- simply because he was a member of the Ypsi community in trouble. When Emoni Bates was at the height of his prestige in high school, he treated the offer from them EMU coach Rob Murphy with the outmost respect and did so VERY PUBLICLY… are you guys getting my points?

Great points on Emoni

(06-23-2023 06:39 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(06-23-2023 01:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 11:27 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(06-22-2023 10:20 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  2 things are clear so far:

1) Emoni Bates is not a first round pick. (Jerry, feel free to gloat)

2) Superfan has some anger issues.

2nd round 49th! He did more for Eastern Michigan basketball then anyone has the past 25 years! Eastern Michigan was mentioned by Jay Bilas and JJ Redick 5 times. Wish him nothing but the best........

But he didn't help us win. Any thing. In fact he may have cost some talented players who were disenchanted with its all about Emoni approach last season and elected to transfer. As one NBA scout stated Emoni was a circus and therefore our program was a circus last season. But it get him drafted which apparently was the main goal last season vs a winning program. Good luck to him.

Supe is a dope and his behavior regarding Bates borderline invalidates anything he has to say going forward. I'd call him a clown but i like clowns.

Cleveland's only pick was Bates. That's pretty neat. I wish he went somewhere with a little more veteran leadership but thats a place he WON'T have the be THE GUY and that's the best thing for him. I predict he'll have a decent NBA career as a situational bench guy who can provide microwave points off the bench.

Emoni will fit in with the Cleveland team. There’s no D in C-A-V-A-L-I-E-R-S. LOL

C’mon y’all! We got an EMU AND DERRICK DIAL reference out Emoni being drafted…
Can we enjoy the moment a little bit? LoL

(06-23-2023 07:37 PM)KPJ Wrote:  C’mon y’all! We got an EMU AND DERRICK DIAL reference out Emoni being drafted…
Can we enjoy the moment a little bit? LoL

Obviously love the Derrick Dial mention! That is beyond cool.

(06-23-2023 03:15 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Me as well. I'm not trying to attack emoni what I want to do is shut down what's to me is a cult of his on here. I hope does good . But to imply that he's going to or has done great things for EMU is outrageous. All I heard on here and on campus was we got emoni Bates! So what he hasn't proven to be that big a deal here. And to compare to dials is just as outrageous. Dials spent four years here got his degree here was very well like and supported school and students. Also if I remember rightly he was a walk on that earned his scholarship. Another poster stated that emoni was the greatest thing happen here in 25 years! Well given what we've been through the l ast 25 with coaches. That's not saying much. Again my anger isn't with Bates it's with his cult followers.

No way, Super. You attack Emoni Bates far more than you attack what you are perceiving as his cult followers. EMU has not had an NBA draftee in 25 years, and likely won’t again for another 25 years or more. I recommend relaxing a little and just enjoy it for what it is- as KPJ suggests.

I lost my hero worship of athletes long ago. I guess Jim Boutons Ball Four ruined that for me and opened up my eyes. Athletes are just ordinary people who are gifted in another area than the rest of us. Many other folks like teachers nurses etc. contribute much to our society and sadly arent as celebrated or paid.

Cult like devotion often blinds folks when it comes to heroes. It blinds to the reality than like most of our heroes they are human and have weaknesses and faults like the rest of us.

I will always put our programs above an individual player and evaluate them to how they contribute to the overall health and reputation of the program. It can't be it's all about me when it's a team sport. Our coaches should never let that happen.

(06-24-2023 06:11 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I lost my hero worship of athletes long ago. I guess Jim Boutons Ball Four ruined that for me and opened up my eyes. Athletes are just ordinary people who are gifted in another area than the rest of us. Many other folks like teachers nurses etc. contribute much to our society and sadly arent as celebrated or paid.

Cult like devotion often blinds folks when it comes to heroes. It blinds to the reality than like most of our heroes they are human and have weaknesses and faults like the rest of us.

I will always put our programs above an individual player and evaluate them to how they contribute to the overall health and reputation of the program. It can't be it's all about me when it's a team sport. Our coaches should never let that happen.

One point: a teacher vs. Wembenyama.

A teacher may effect say 150 children in a school year.

Wemby may effect the entertainment of many millions each NBA year.

Hence the one is paid in the tens of thousands and the other will be paid in time tens of millions.