(05-30-2023 12:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:39 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 07:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 03:01 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  If Penn St's scandal which was a global, worldwide story didn't impact realignment, why would any other school's scandal?

It kept BYU from getting the invite to the Big 12 in 2016 when students at several Big 12 campuses were protesting to not let BYU into the conference. I am still shock that they still invited them in with still some people's displeasure.

That wasn't it.

BYU made sense and would have been an addition had the league been willing to go to 11.

They were not. They wanted 10 or 12.

The available #12's were dilutive enough to make 12 not worth it.

There was fuss over it in the news but if the deal was legitimately additive it would not have paused things at all.

BYU was a headache at the time when coming off the headache of Baylor's football players rape scandals at the time. There were calls for Baylor to be booted from the conference. The students at the other Universities were loud and vocal along with alums and donors said no to BYU at the time. The BYU story at the time when they expelled a rape victim made headline news at the time as well killed any chances for BYU to join then. 5 years later after the news faded, and people forgot there was an issue? BYU finally got the call.

This is about money. It didn't make money to go to 12 then so it didnt happen.

The rest was bad PR but as your post alludes to that PR can be outlived.

(05-28-2023 06:17 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(05-28-2023 02:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Colorado brings no value to the Big 12 what so ever.

Maybe you are too young to remember, or did not participate in the Big 8's culture and games? Bringing back a chunk of that to the Big XII would be huge, even if revenue-neutral.

As a long time Coloradan who has watched CU flounder since they joined the PAC, you have no idea who much many long times fans in the state want CU out of the PAC 12/10.

(05-29-2023 11:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 07:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 05:52 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2023 05:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Colorado does not want the Big 12. There are too much distained for BYU, TCU and Baylor.

TCU is more secular these days than they used to be. As for BYU and Baylor, well, they had already shared a league with Baylor when the Big XII was first formed, and there's a big Mormon contingent in the Centennial State.

And you need to start citing your sources, pal.

I already said why before. You are goading me into why so I could get warned or banned from this forum because of the social political issues on why the PAC 12 schools reject the private schools for the scandals recently with the rape, murder and all that, and the blame towards the victims. I won't go into anymore details than that and just to say they reject those three schools. The only chance those schools would join the Big 12 if they boot out Baylor, BYU and TCU.

There is no doubt the Pac schools prefer staying together if they can get close on a TV deal. If rumors are true, and that is a big if. 20 to 22 mil per year with 1/2 on streaming is going to be a tough pill to swallow. If Georgie can get a 27 plus deal with 50% plus over the air, and OR and WA don't have a new BIG gig the B12 will not get any Pac schools.

Sounds about right.

Hard to know what the money is. Pretty clear exposure has been a huge problem for him to get. He's probably got about 30 days to solidify something.

I want to say that you're right, but the goalposts keep moving and even CU/UArizona keep giving him more rope. He's had enough to hang himself for awhile, they should be careful that he doesn't take a bunch of them down with him once he goes.

At the current pace, we could be in 1/2 way through the football season with no resolution in sight.

(05-30-2023 08:22 AM)CFBLurker Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 07:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 05:52 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2023 05:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Colorado does not want the Big 12. There are too much distained for BYU, TCU and Baylor.

TCU is more secular these days than they used to be. As for BYU and Baylor, well, they had already shared a league with Baylor when the Big XII was first formed, and there's a big Mormon contingent in the Centennial State.

And you need to start citing your sources, pal.

I already said why before. You are goading me into why so I could get warned or banned from this forum because of the social political issues on why the PAC 12 schools reject the private schools for the scandals recently with the rape, murder and all that, and the blame towards the victims. I won't go into anymore details than that and just to say they reject those three schools. The only chance those schools would join the Big 12 if they boot out Baylor, BYU and TCU.

There is no doubt the Pac schools prefer staying together if they can get close on a TV deal. If rumors are true, and that is a big if. 20 to 22 mil per year with 1/2 on streaming is going to be a tough pill to swallow. If Georgie can get a 27 plus deal with 50% plus over the air, and OR and WA don't have a new BIG gig the B12 will not get any Pac schools.

Repeating and spreading waim rumors is just going to make Big 12 fans sick when they inevitably don't get to add P5 programs and expand elsewhere

It's possible that everything works out for the Pac, but I'd hardly call it "inevitable".

(05-30-2023 12:50 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 11:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  2036 is going to take extra long to arrive for you, huh?

UNC is one of the lynchpins for when. Fortunately, two brass rings (and lots of $$$) await y'all if you want to grab one. Hopefully KU will get a chance too.

If UNC holds out too long (e.g., turns down invites; blocks others; makes less than glowing public statements, etc.), I could see the B1G and SEC rescinding their open-invitations, just in spite.

UNC has the perfect excuse to hold off until 2036, "like ND, FSU and Clemson, we looked at the GoR and couldn't figure a way out of it". By the time the GoR is over, the SEC, B1G and UNC will likely all have new leadership, making it highly unlikely that they'd carry any sort of grudge. If we don't invite them in the future, it will be due to their (hypothetical) Athletic deterioration rather than to a spiteful move on our part.

(05-30-2023 12:50 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 11:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  2036 is going to take extra long to arrive for you, huh?

UNC is one of the lynchpins for when. Fortunately, two brass rings (and lots of $$$) await y'all if you want to grab one. Hopefully KU will get a chance too.

If UNC holds out too long (e.g., turns down invites; blocks others; makes less than glowing public statements, etc.), I could see the B1G and SEC rescinding their open-invitations, just in spite.

All the extra overhead money would go to attempting to compete with the Bamas and Buckeyes in football—which is just not going to happen in Chapel Hill (nor Lawrence for that matter). Safe bet is to stay in a less football-forward league and make playoff runs.

(05-31-2023 09:03 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:50 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 11:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  2036 is going to take extra long to arrive for you, huh?

UNC is one of the lynchpins for when. Fortunately, two brass rings (and lots of $$$) await y'all if you want to grab one. Hopefully KU will get a chance too.

If UNC holds out too long (e.g., turns down invites; blocks others; makes less than glowing public statements, etc.), I could see the B1G and SEC rescinding their open-invitations, just in spite.

All the extra overhead money would go to attempting to compete with the Bamas and Buckeyes in football—which is just not going to happen in Chapel Hill (nor Lawrence for that matter). Safe bet is to stay in a less football-forward league and make playoff runs.

The problem is, those SEC and B1G teams can also use that football money to get better in sports UNC does care about. E.g., this past season, Alabama was better in basketball than North Carolina. Which used to happen about as often as Carolina is better than Alabama in football - which hasn't happened in my memory. And it's likely going to get worse, when the SEC and B1G get their extra cash boosts next year.

That's one reason why I think UNC is a member of the M7. I think they realize they need to get out of the ACC, as painful as that is to them.

Just MO.

(05-31-2023 09:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ...
That's one reason why I think UNC is a member of the M7. I think they realize they need to get out of the ACC, as painful as that is to them. ...

Fortunately for them (long term), I think UNC is entering, belatedly, the bargaining stage:

https://www.healthline.com/health/stages...f#5-stages

(05-31-2023 09:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-31-2023 09:03 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 12:50 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(05-30-2023 11:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  2036 is going to take extra long to arrive for you, huh?

UNC is one of the lynchpins for when. Fortunately, two brass rings (and lots of $$$) await y'all if you want to grab one. Hopefully KU will get a chance too.

If UNC holds out too long (e.g., turns down invites; blocks others; makes less than glowing public statements, etc.), I could see the B1G and SEC rescinding their open-invitations, just in spite.

All the extra overhead money would go to attempting to compete with the Bamas and Buckeyes in football—which is just not going to happen in Chapel Hill (nor Lawrence for that matter). Safe bet is to stay in a less football-forward league and make playoff runs.

The problem is, those SEC and B1G teams can also use that football money to get better in sports UNC does care about. E.g., this past season, Alabama was better in basketball than North Carolina. Which used to happen about as often as Carolina is better than Alabama in football - which hasn't happened in my memory. And it's likely going to get worse, when the SEC and B1G get their extra cash boosts next year.

That's one reason why I think UNC is a member of the M7. I think they realize they need to get out of the ACC, as painful as that is to them.

Just MO.

Alabama has a great coach, that's it, end of story. They hired him before their billion dollar deal so how does that add up? Also, Alabama needs all the money they can to stay atop the SEC. I don't seem them risking their football stature to invest in basketball.

(05-29-2023 09:26 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 07:18 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-29-2023 05:52 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(05-28-2023 05:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-28-2023 09:15 AM)Outsider6 Wrote:  Colorado to Big 12 is happening real soon.

Colorado does not want the Big 12. There are too much distained for BYU, TCU and Baylor.

TCU is more secular these days than they used to be. As for BYU and Baylor, well, they had already shared a league with Baylor when the Big XII was first formed, and there's a big Mormon contingent in the Centennial State.

And you need to start citing your sources, pal.

I already said why before. You are goading me into why so I could get warned or banned from this forum because of the social political issues on why the PAC 12 schools reject the private schools for the scandals recently with the rape, murder and all that, and the blame towards the victims. I won't go into anymore details than that and just to say they reject those three schools. The only chance those schools would join the Big 12 if they boot out Baylor, BYU and TCU.

There is no doubt the Pac schools prefer staying together if they can get close on a TV deal. If rumors are true, and that is a big if. 20 to 22 mil per year with 1/2 on streaming is going to be a tough pill to swallow. If Georgie can get a 27 plus deal with 50% plus over the air, and OR and WA don't have a new BIG gig the B12 will not get any Pac schools.

Yes, that's a fair point. I'd say if the number's, say between $28-32 Million, the PAC as we know it sticks together, and maybe even add a couple schools. The fact this is being dragged out looks more and more like it may not happen, but I do hope it does for the league's sake. I don't want it or any other FBS league to get dismantled all for the sake of money. (I do think, however, that Colorado should rejoin the Big XII because they've been crap in the PAC, sadly, whereas they held their own in the Big XII.)

For the record, I just get sick and tired of David talking about how "good" Boise State is all the time while talking crap about Colorado, a school that the majority of the league has at least some history with. He has no sources. He just likes to pull crap out of his butt. There are times where he does make some sense, but usually, he's just throwing whatever random rumor he can find or come up with himself at the wall and seeing what sticks, then says "I told you so" even though it's mere luck.