Would love to see the competing AI technologies produce for P5 and G5 conference. Might as well see how well developed they are regarding college sports.

Asking AI technology about realignment would also be interesting. I just asked ChatGPT what it has to say about conference realignment and this is what it said...


"Show me an example of how each of the FBS Power 5 football conferences would look like if they chose teams based on geography."


ChatGPT:
Sure! Here's an example of how the FBS Power 5 football conferences would look like if they chose teams based on geography:


ACC:
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Maryland
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest
Duke
Clemson
South Carolina

Big Ten Conference:
Penn State
Cincinnati
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Purdue
Indiana
Louisville
Kentucky
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota

SEC:
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Central Florida
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Auburn
Alabama
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Arkansas

Big 12 Conference:
Iowa
Iowa State
Missouri
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
Baylor
TCU
Houston

Pac 12 Conference:
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
California
UCLA
USC
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado

ChatGPT relegated BYU.

Might as well just throw them all in a hat. Geography doesn't matter anymore.

(05-20-2023 07:55 PM)andy98 Wrote:  Asking AI technology about realignment would also be interesting. I just asked ChatGPT what it has to say about conference realignment and this is what it said...


"Show me an example of how each of the FBS Power 5 football conferences would look like if they chose teams based on geography."


ChatGPT:
Sure! Here's an example of how the FBS Power 5 football conferences would look like if they chose teams based on geography:


ACC:
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Maryland
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest
Duke
Clemson
South Carolina

Big Ten Conference:
Penn State
Cincinnati
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Purdue
Indiana
Louisville
Kentucky
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota

SEC:
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Central Florida
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Auburn
Alabama
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Arkansas

Big 12 Conference:
Iowa
Iowa State
Missouri
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
Baylor
TCU
Houston

Pac 12 Conference:
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
California
UCLA
USC
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado

Not horrible.

Might as well just add SDSU and BYU to the PAC and call it done.

Then you'd just have Boise and Fresno begging to make it a PAC 16. Memphis and Tulane trying to get in the SEC. UConn and Temple to the ACC. SMU and UTSA to the B12. And uh Toledo and NIU to the B1G

(05-20-2023 08:28 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(05-20-2023 07:55 PM)andy98 Wrote:  Asking AI technology about realignment would also be interesting. I just asked ChatGPT what it has to say about conference realignment and this is what it said...


"Show me an example of how each of the FBS Power 5 football conferences would look like if they chose teams based on geography."


ChatGPT:
Sure! Here's an example of how the FBS Power 5 football conferences would look like if they chose teams based on geography:


ACC:
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Maryland
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Wake Forest
Duke
Clemson
South Carolina

Big Ten Conference:
Penn State
Cincinnati
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Purdue
Indiana
Louisville
Kentucky
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota

SEC:
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Central Florida
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Auburn
Alabama
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Arkansas

Big 12 Conference:
Iowa
Iowa State
Missouri
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
Baylor
TCU
Houston

Pac 12 Conference:
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
California
UCLA
USC
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado

Not horrible.

Chat GPT mostly has information only through 2021. I wonder what it would spit out if it was 100% up to date on current events?

Certainly! Here's one way to organize FBS conferences with 16 schools in each conference based on institutional similarity:

Conference 1:
1. Ohio State University
2. University of Michigan
3. Penn State University
4. University of Wisconsin
5. University of Nebraska
6. University of Iowa
7. Michigan State University
8. Northwestern University
9. University of Minnesota
10. Purdue University
11. Indiana University
12. University of Illinois
13. University of Maryland
14. Rutgers University
15. University of Pittsburgh
16. Syracuse University

Conference 2:
1. University of Texas
2. University of Oklahoma
3. Oklahoma State University
4. Texas Tech University
5. Baylor University
6. Iowa State University
7. Kansas State University
8. West Virginia University
9. TCU
10. University of Kansas
11. Kansas University
12. University of Houston
13. Texas Christian University
14. Texas State University
15. University of Tulsa
16. University of Memphis

Conference 3:
1. Clemson University
2. Florida State University
3. University of Miami
4. University of North Carolina
5. Virginia Tech
6. Georgia Tech
7. Duke University
8. Wake Forest University
9. University of Virginia
10. North Carolina State University
11. Boston College
12. University of Louisville
13. University of South Carolina
14. University of Kentucky
15. University of Tennessee
16. Vanderbilt University

Conference 4:
1. University of Southern California (USC)
2. University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)
3. Stanford University
4. University of Washington
5. University of Oregon
6. University of Arizona
7. Arizona State University
8. University of Colorado
9. University of Utah
10. Oregon State University
11. Washington State University
12. University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV)
13. University of New Mexico
14. San Diego State University
15. University of Hawaii
16. Colorado State University

Please note that this organization is just one possible arrangement based on institutional similarity. Other criteria or perspectives could result in different conference formations.

(05-20-2023 08:47 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Might as well just add SDSU and BYU to the PAC and call it done.

Then you'd just have Boise and Fresno begging to make it a PAC 16. Memphis and Tulane trying to get in the SEC. UConn and Temple to the ACC. SMU and UTSA to the B12. And uh Toledo and NIU to the B1G

I'd argue Rice in place of UTSA because of the history, but not a dealbreaker. B1G would gladly take Tenple and UCONN because east coast presence and academics. ACC take USF and UCF to get back into Florida.

It’s curious that these are almost purely geographic, with the exception of Penn St—the Nittany Lions are a Big 10 outpost within ACC land. I’d maybe expect to see the geographically closer Pitt placed in the Big 10 instead.

If we're going by geography, schools in the same state (ex. Penn State/Pittsburgh, Iowa/Iowa State, Florida/Florida State, etc) need to be in the same conference.

Institutional similarity? Might be thought of as AAU/not AAU, large population vs. small population (state or student body), public vs. private, etc.

(05-21-2023 12:18 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Certainly! Here's one way to organize FBS conferences with 16 schools in each conference based on institutional similarity:

Conference 1:
1. Ohio State University
2. University of Michigan
3. Penn State University
4. University of Wisconsin
5. University of Nebraska
6. University of Iowa
7. Michigan State University
8. Northwestern University
9. University of Minnesota
10. Purdue University
11. Indiana University
12. University of Illinois
13. University of Maryland
14. Rutgers University
15. University of Pittsburgh
16. Syracuse University

Conference 2:
1. University of Texas
2. University of Oklahoma
3. Oklahoma State University
4. Texas Tech University
5. Baylor University
6. Iowa State University
7. Kansas State University
8. West Virginia University
9. TCU
10. University of Kansas
11. Kansas University
12. University of Houston
13. Texas Christian University
14. Texas State University
15. University of Tulsa
16. University of Memphis

Conference 3:
1. Clemson University
2. Florida State University
3. University of Miami
4. University of North Carolina
5. Virginia Tech
6. Georgia Tech
7. Duke University
8. Wake Forest University
9. University of Virginia
10. North Carolina State University
11. Boston College
12. University of Louisville
13. University of South Carolina
14. University of Kentucky
15. University of Tennessee
16. Vanderbilt University

Conference 4:
1. University of Southern California (USC)
2. University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)
3. Stanford University
4. University of Washington
5. University of Oregon
6. University of Arizona
7. Arizona State University
8. University of Colorado
9. University of Utah
10. Oregon State University
11. Washington State University
12. University of Nevada, Las Vegas (UNLV)
13. University of New Mexico
14. San Diego State University
15. University of Hawaii
16. Colorado State University

Please note that this organization is just one possible arrangement based on institutional similarity. Other criteria or perspectives could result in different conference formations.

SEC in whole other league? Only a few listed.

ChatGPT seems to have started from a premise that 14 was the ideal number of teams in a conference. Earlier I posited a single 72 team conference with eight divisions of 9 teams each, organized as much as possible by geography. To get to 72 I had to promote 3 western G5 schools (bold). The idea was there would be a playoff with the 8 division winners hosting 8 at large teams. These were my divisions.

Penn State
Louisville
West Virginia
Pitt
Cincinnati
Syracuse
Boston College
Maryland
Rutgers

Clemson
South Carolina
Virginia Tech
NC State
UNC
Kentucky
Duke
Wake Forest
Virginia

Georgia
Florida State
Auburn
Florida
Tennessee
Miami
UCF
Georgia Tech
Vanderbilt

Alabama
LSU
Texas A&M
TCU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Missouri
Arkansas
Houston

Ohio State
Wisconsin
Michigan
Notre Dame
Michigan State
Northwestern
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Baylor
Iowa
Texas
Minnesota
Nebraska
Texas Tech
Iowa State

Kansas State
Utah
Boise State
Arizona State
BYU
Arizona
Colorado
Colorado State
Kansas

Oregon
Washington
Southern Cal
Stanford
UCLA
Washington State
Cal
San Diego State
Oregon State

(05-20-2023 08:47 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Might as well just add SDSU and BYU to the PAC and call it done.

Then you'd just have Boise and Fresno begging to make it a PAC 16. Memphis and Tulane trying to get in the SEC. UConn and Temple to the ACC. SMU and UTSA to the B12. And uh Toledo and NIU to the B1G

Buffalo would be aiming for the ACC as well.

I have to admit I like the geography-based line-ups; Of course I remember simpler times

Very GIGO result

Conference #1. - THE P1
1. Bama
2. Ohio St
3. Notre Dame
4. Texas
5. Georgia
6. USC
7. Michigan
8. PSU
9. Florida
10. Clemson
11. Oklahoma
12. UNC
13. Wash
14. LSU
15. Tenn
16. Florida St
17. Wisc
18. UCLA

Conference #2.
1. Nebraska
2. Mich St
3. Iowa
4. Minn
5. Illinois
6. Purdue
7. Indiana
8. Mizzou
9. Kan
10. Col
11. Stan
12. Cal
13. Ore
14. Ariz
15. Ariz St
16. Utah

Conference #3. -
1. Miami
2. UCF
3. USF
4. GT
5. South Carolina
6. NCSU
7. Auburn
8. Ole Miss
9. Texas A&M
10. TCU
11. Ark
12. Ok St
13. Iowa St
14. BYU

Conference #4
1. Cuse
2. Pitt
3. WV
4. Lou
5. Cincy
6. Memphis
7. Kentucky
8. Rutgers
9. BC
10. Uconn
11 MD
12. Va
13. VT
14. Duke

Conference #5
1. Miss St
2. Baylor
3. TT
4. Kan St
5. Houston
6. NW
7. Vanderbilt
8. Wake
9. Ore St
10. Wash St
11. SDSU
12. SMU

Gave it a go. ChatGPT. In my first try, it missed a few, but interesting choices. After adding a few parameters, it gave a "better" set, though the MAC seems to be forgotten.

Attempt 3 was eye-opening. ChatGPT was trained on data from a few years ago. Groups 2 and 3 show some of the moves we've seen the last two summers. Does that mean Group 1 is due for this Summer??

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Place each FBS team into 1 of 10 groups, based on geographic location, academic profile, and football prowess.


Place each FBS team into 1 of 10 groups, based on geographic location, academic profile, and football prowess. Include every FBS team.


Rearrange the teams from the following athletic conferences: SEC, ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12, Big 12, MAC, Sun Belt, MWC, AAC, and Conference USA. Create 10 new grouping for these teams based on football rivalries. Each group should have between 10 and 16 teams and no more than 8 from any of one of the original groups.

(05-20-2023 08:12 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Might as well just throw them all in a hat. Geography doesn't matter anymore.

For Olympic athletes it does or at least should

On a broader topic, all these alignments have their own strengths and are somewhat logical, but I do wonder if AI is only as good as the weakest link. And I say this as a lay person that has no understanding whatsoever on the subject, but say these scenarios are a combination of vast data sets and logic written by the programmers, do you get an output from the most precise and comprehensive logic, or does the weaker and more bias logic slip into the output?

I haven’t read any papers on the matter, but if it’s just lumping categories and groups together (which is easily achievable in these hypothetical AI generated realignment scenarios), it’s not really AI IMO.

You need extremely precise logic from a vast array of data sets that completely removes human bias. I mean, I’d love for a BE conference to return in some form to harken back to my days where CFB mattered in the tri-state area, and I’m constantly trying to fit round pegs into square holes to fill that nostalgia, and that’s where the weak links in this type of AI could be pronounced, assuming an iota of bias in the logic.

Then again, I’ve heard arguments that the AI or even the data scientist has to have a bias when interpreting a data set, otherwise everything can have seemingly random correlations when there’s more to it when looking through a particular lens.

Sort of like the thread from the new poster, “why do we care so much about realignment?”, where many of us admitted to our own personal views and bias.