(05-15-2023 01:45 PM)otown Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:38 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:31 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If this actually happened you’d have Louisville, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Wake Forest, Duke, Syracuse, and Georgia Tech left as full time members.

The big 12 would no doubt be interested in some of these schools. The question would become how many? and then a decision for the ACC schools to jump or rebuild with UConn and some AAC call ups…

This isn't a bad core for a conference to be honest. Yeah it's not a world beater, but you've got some good history (especially on the basketball side). Get UConn and Temple in there, maybe Memphis as well to get to 10. If you want a Florida presence then also bring in USF and try to find a 12th.

It's salvageable to come out as behind only the conferences that are currently "P" conference if this is what's left to work with.

Whoever is left from the ACC will be banging down the door of the Big 12. they are not gonna start a new conference. Remember, if this all goes down, this is a conference dissolution, so no exit fees. However, if the magnificent 7 manage to break the GOR without dissolving the conference, those teams will really have to way the risks of keeping the exit fees for short term game while living in a conference that will be a tweener, or joining up with the Big 12 for a safety umbrella.

Yeah, assume what I was listing out was if the ACC continues to exist and those 7 don't want to join in on the hefty exit fee party (and just take all the payments from the leavers to rebuild as best as possible).

(05-15-2023 01:45 PM)otown Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:38 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:31 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If this actually happened you’d have Louisville, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Wake Forest, Duke, Syracuse, and Georgia Tech left as full time members.

The big 12 would no doubt be interested in some of these schools. The question would become how many? and then a decision for the ACC schools to jump or rebuild with UConn and some AAC call ups…

This isn't a bad core for a conference to be honest. Yeah it's not a world beater, but you've got some good history (especially on the basketball side). Get UConn and Temple in there, maybe Memphis as well to get to 10. If you want a Florida presence then also bring in USF and try to find a 12th.

It's salvageable to come out as behind only the conferences that are currently "P" conference if this is what's left to work with.

Whoever is left from the ACC will be banging down the door of the Big 12. they are not gonna start a new conference. Remember, if this all goes down, this is a conference dissolution, so no exit fees. However, if the magnificent 7 manage to break the GOR without dissolving the conference, those teams will really have to way the risks of keeping the exit fees for short term game while living in a conference that will be a tweener, or joining up with the Big 12 for a safety umbrella.

They could do both. Merge into big 12, keep the exit fees, keep the ACCN...it would be a big win for both the big 12 and ACC leftovers, even though it would mean that the big 12 had to take BC and Wake Forest. The value of the other 5 + the ACCN would absolutely be worth it.

Somehow I am thinking with this Magnificent 7 the ACC needs to figure how to get an NIL deal from Perkins.

(05-15-2023 01:47 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

Nobody's aligning with the Secret 7 Breakaway Consortium without a SEC and/or B1G wink-wink, hush-hush invite, right?

If it was an ironclad "we're doing this come hell or high water" meeting, then I agree with you 100%. However, if it was "FSU is starting a working group on ways to figure out how we can get into the P2", then that's not necessarily the case. And 4 of those schools in the Secret 7 can't be 100% certain of anything better than a big 12 invite right now.

(05-15-2023 11:43 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 11:38 AM)JamesHowell Wrote:  FSU
Clemson
Miami

UNC
UVA

NCSU
VPI

That's exactly who they are. Duke is not driving this.

Good call. Should have been obvious.

Dellenger confirms

(05-15-2023 01:28 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Did not expect to see NC State and VTech in the group but alright then. I wonder if this means that UVA and UNC want a B1G invite which paves the way for a potential SEC bid for NC State and VTech.

I'm not a fan of either, but anyone who suggested Duke over NC State was just being ridiculous. NC State is the largest school in N.C., an R1, and in the center of the second-largest N.C. city (Charlotte is #1, but no P5 school there).

I said multiple times on this forum that Duke was way down on the list, and people tried to say I had some personal vendetta against Duke or something. Well, you're welcome.

Flugaur had a good question. Did the ACC7 find out about the Magnificent 7 meetings the same way we did? This is going to be interesting to watch.

(05-15-2023 01:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Interesting, I would think the Big 10 would at least look at GT?

I think the Big Ten, on paper, would be interested in GT and Duke (outside of that Magnificent 7 group).

Of course, the Big Ten also ought to be interested in several other Pac-12 schools on paper (even beyond Washington and Oregon) - it’s a matter of what moves the needle with the financial bar being set so incredibly high.

You have been consistently underrating VaTech and NCSU. Now we have this. B1G can have Duke and GaTech if they want them. They are not driving the bus here. I don't think the Big 12 would even be interested in Duke given the other options, like Pitt, UL, and GaTech, potentially.

(05-15-2023 01:46 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Ironclad 7: Duke, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, and Wake Forest.

Do some of them jump to Big 12?

When fast-talkin' Yappy Yormark proclaimed his soon-to-be rebranded Big XII was "going national" and then later on leaks out UConn as a potential invite ... it's pretty apparent where the ACC's "Best of the Rest" are going to matriculate when all is said and done.

Once the panic sets in and the musical chairs resume, Strength in Numbers is going to be an overriding theme

Duke: SEC or B1G (coin flip)
GT: SEC
Louisville: Conference #3
Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Wake: Conference #3 or Big East and come up with something "regional" for football.

(05-15-2023 01:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Interesting, I would think the Big 10 would at least look at GT?

I think the Big Ten, on paper, would be interested in GT and Duke (outside of that Magnificent 7 group).

Of course, the Big Ten also ought to be interested in several other Pac-12 schools on paper (even beyond Washington and Oregon) - it’s a matter of what moves the needle with the financial bar being set so incredibly high.

We don’t know if the BIG isn’t the option for several of the 7.

It’s the first step. The collection of schools that have a P2 invite band together. They include any transaction cost schools they’re willing to try and force in, that otherwise have no chance if without the GOR leverage

Next they work out the horse trading with networks. Who gets what, including leftover ACC obligations. Likely nearly a year into this

All under flaming the risk of not needing permission or settlement. Is that risk high? Unlikely, but if you’re Pitt or Louisville or particularly BC, and you see all the power of the ACC working to get out, you seek any deal that removes untenable outcomes. Made whole through 2036 and some type of conference membership security post-ACC becomes very appealing.

Pitt and Louisville likely the most stubborn, believing they are a lock for whatever M1 or M2 eventually forms

(05-15-2023 01:54 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:28 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Did not expect to see NC State and VTech in the group but alright then. I wonder if this means that UVA and UNC want a B1G invite which paves the way for a potential SEC bid for NC State and VTech.

I'm not a fan of either, but anyone who suggested Duke over NC State was just being ridiculous. NC State is the largest school in N.C., an R1, and in the center of the second-largest N.C. city (Charlotte is #1, but no P5 school there).

I said multiple times on this forum that Duke was way down on the list, and people tried to say I had some personal vendetta against Duke or something. Well, you're welcome.

Well, I’ll be honest: I thought Duke would be on there.

It had nothing to do with the local fan base, but rather I see them as the school that people *nationally* have the strongest feelings about next to Notre Dame. To the extent basketball brand matters even a small percentage (and to be sure, it may be the case that it doesn’t), then Duke is the #1 national brand in that category. This is more evidence about how little basketball is getting valued at the power conference level, which we all have known for quite awhile but it’s becoming even more stark in this latest realignment round.

(05-15-2023 01:54 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm not a fan of either, but anyone who suggested Duke over NC State was just being ridiculous. NC State is the largest school in N.C., an R1, and in the center of the second-largest N.C. city (Charlotte is #1, but no P5 school there).

NC State and VT are often undervalued as SEC expansion candidates

(05-15-2023 01:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 11:43 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 11:38 AM)JamesHowell Wrote:  FSU
Clemson
Miami

UNC
UVA

NCSU
VPI

That's exactly who they are. Duke is not driving this.

Good call. Should have been obvious.

It was. The only surprise to me is that Georgia Tech isn't included, being an R1 in Atlanta.

(05-15-2023 01:55 PM)ENCterrapin Wrote:  Flugaur had a good question. Did the ACC7 find out about the Magnificent 7 meetings the same way we did? This is going to be interesting to watch.

The ACC office bulked up its legal team at the end of March. ADs from individual schools have been laying groundwork in public remarks. Everyone knew something was cooking. And all ACC member schools realise, as Dellenger observed, that the financial disparity with the P2 leagues is untenable.

So no, it's not such a good question.

If ESPN had to choose between Magnificent 7 and PAC 10.... I think the Magnificent 7 win. They represent higher quality brands.

(05-15-2023 01:31 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  If this actually happened you’d have Louisville, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Wake Forest, Duke, Syracuse, and Georgia Tech left as full time members.
....

If the Magnificent 7 move to the SEC, you've still got 2–4 legit B1G possibilities in this group that's left.

Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Duke
Georgia Tech

(05-15-2023 01:54 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:28 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Did not expect to see NC State and VTech in the group but alright then. I wonder if this means that UVA and UNC want a B1G invite which paves the way for a potential SEC bid for NC State and VTech.

I'm not a fan of either, but anyone who suggested Duke over NC State was just being ridiculous. NC State is the largest school in N.C., an R1, and in the center of the second-largest N.C. city (Charlotte is #1, but no P5 school there).

I said multiple times on this forum that Duke was way down on the list, and people tried to say I had some personal vendetta against Duke or something. Well, you're welcome.

NC State is also the #2 or 3 school in a mid-sized state. I'd rather have UVA or VT, and I'd rather have Missouri than any of them. They're all marginal at best. One of them might get into the P2 on UNC's coattails, the rest are staying in the ACC or joining Conference 3.

(05-15-2023 01:58 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  When fast-talkin' Yappy Yormark proclaimed his soon-to-be rebranded Big XII was "going national" and then later on leaks out UConn as a potential invite ... it's pretty apparent where the ACC's "Best of the Rest" are going to matriculate when all is said and done.

Once the panic sets in and the musical chairs resume, Strength in Numbers is going to be an overriding theme

Duke: SEC or B1G (coin flip)
GT: SEC
Louisville: Conference #3
Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Wake: Conference #3 or Big East and come up with something "regional" for football.

Magnificent 7 plus UO, UW, Stanford, Cal, Zona, ASU, CU/Utah may be an option if the P2 are really not going to expand in this cycle.

Magnificent 7 alone has superhero in tights written all over it. Make an academic conference that's national. Add Duke, GaTech, Utah, KU if divisions are necessitated. ND would keep the scheduling agreement. And they'd get a GoR with that. That's 18 schools with perhaps the best BBall in the country.

(05-15-2023 02:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:54 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(05-15-2023 01:28 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Did not expect to see NC State and VTech in the group but alright then. I wonder if this means that UVA and UNC want a B1G invite which paves the way for a potential SEC bid for NC State and VTech.

I'm not a fan of either, but anyone who suggested Duke over NC State was just being ridiculous. NC State is the largest school in N.C., an R1, and in the center of the second-largest N.C. city (Charlotte is #1, but no P5 school there).

I said multiple times on this forum that Duke was way down on the list, and people tried to say I had some personal vendetta against Duke or something. Well, you're welcome.

NC State is also the #2 or 3 school in a mid-sized state. I'd rather have UVA or VT, and I'd rather have Missouri than any of them. They're all marginal at best. One of them might get into the P2 on UNC's coattails, the rest are staying in the ACC or joining Conference 3.

#3 in N.C.? Based on what?