(05-10-2023 11:21 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I think all of the CUSA 3.0 leftovers (MTSU, WKU, LT, FIU, UTEP) can tell you first hand that it isn’t easy to convince people to join when the boat is sinking.

I don't think that is the case.

We added 5 (2 more than we technically needed, 1 more than I think is ideal).

(05-10-2023 11:21 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  Adding to protect yourself against future realignment happens a lot at the FBS level and I think that’s what we’re seeing. If we stay at 10 and lose 2-4 teams the boat can sink real quick (CUSA 3.0 having 9 teams leave).

I don't disagree, but I just don't see any signs of movement above us which would cause anything similar to what happened during the last realignment apocalypse.

We could still conceivably lose 2-4 teams. I'm not saying it's not possible. But that 4-team scenario is way out there and involves a crazy amount of moving pieces.

I do think we will (and probably should) expand to 12 at some point, but I don't think we're under any pressure to do it quickly to stave off Realignment Apocalypse 2.0.

It might be different if FCS had multiple "home run" candidates available, but it really doesn't. (And before anyone down at that level gets offended, no, I don't consider Jax State, KSU, and SHSU to have been "home run" candidates either. Solid base hits, yes. But not homers.)

To extend the baseball metaphor, with future expansion looking more like small ball, with base hits and strategic bunts instead of towering 500-foot blasts to deep center, it just makes more sense to wait and see what actually does happen above us. The teams we seek to add could change radically depending on which teams we lose.

(05-10-2023 11:03 AM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 10:41 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 10:27 AM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 09:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 08:58 AM)3DogNight Wrote:  Add one more school and make CUSA a 12 member conference. I would love to see Chattanooga as the other add, but as it's been discussed before, they seem to have no desire to move up. Several have mentioned EKU and I would have no problem at all if they were the other addition. I think they would be a solid addition as well.

With that 12 though, are you doing pods or something? Or WKU in the west with permanent rivals so they don't miss MTSU (meaning the other 10 teams are stuck with pretty random "rivals"). Or do like the SEC did with Missouri and make your second new team play in the West even if they're geographically more eastern than WKU or MTSU? I guess you could send both MTSU and WKU west and make Missouri State go east (in a true mirror of the SEC/Missouri thing).

I'm not sure what we'd gain from going to 12 here. What would improve, do you think? In a vacuum I do like 12 more than 10. I just don't see 2 more schools that work with the other 10 we already have in this case. Who helps? And how?

I'm not sure that you would even need the East-West separation. The ACC for example is moving away from divisions and they have 14 football members. I know that the 15th member, Notre Dame, isn't a football member, but they still are required to play some ACC teams. The fanbases seem to be mostly excited about the change.

I also think that the 12 teams give us a cushion if someone leaves with all the realignment going on. If NMSU or UTEP are offered a spot in the MWC if it came available, do you think they would stay or leave? I could be totally wrong, but I think they would be gone in a heartbeat. If that happened, it would tighten up our footprint eastward.

Expanding to 12 would also expand the conference footprint and fanbase which could eventually help the media deal. For example, as of now, the state of Missouri has 1 FBS team. They are the 19th most populous state in the country. Springfield is larger than Columbia, where the University of Missouri is located.

Short term, I can see the argument of how having to slice the pie 2 more pieces might not be beneficial monetary wise. But, long term, I think it could turn out to be very beneficial. Depending of course on choosing the right additions. If we have the intentions of expanding and wait too long, we could miss out on the right additions.

So add teams because others might leave? Why not just add them when they DO leave? What additions are you afraid of missing out on if we don’t expand soon? Missouri State+1 would be a fine if want you go to 12 but that seems like expanding just to expand.

So, that's what you come away with from my post? Apparently, you didn't read the whole post. My thoughts are called being proactive. I think this conference has already gone through the effects of waiting until they're gone and then replace 'um. Wasn't it not long ago this conference went from 14 to 5 practically overnight? I think that those results were because of the conference's leadership sitting on their hands and then reacting rather than acting beforehand.

And then what happened after it went from 14 to “5”?

No, I read your whole post, I think it’s off base so that’s what I “came away with.” Missouri State will still most likely be in the MVFC, waiting for an FBS call, if/when UTEP and NMSU leave. Whether that be next year or later down the road.

(05-10-2023 08:46 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 08:21 PM)kip dynamite Wrote:  Mo State is also really good in Soccer. The men’s team is historically ranked in the top 10 to 15 in the country for several years in a row and make the NCAA tournament on a regular basis.


Swim and dive is also unbelievably good. We presently compete in the MAC for that sport.

Very sincerely that is great for y'all. No sarcasm intended. Fantastic.

But CUSA doesn't sponsor men's soccer or swimming or diving. So none of that is very relevant to this discussion.

I can see why it'd be a motivating factor in Missouri State wanting to join the 'belt (and vice versa), at least on the soccer thing (no idea if SB does swimming).

Y'all got bowling? I think we're going to be a power conference in bowling.

I am ALL FOR Missouri State---- BUT...


--this is not a done deal

-- more shifting could occur above us which could change everything

So IMO--- they should be at the top of the list--but should NOT be added at this time.

(I agree with inutech more than he thinks)

*By the way--"The Eyes of Texas are upon YOU"-- if there is a 12th addition--it will be from TEXAS.
Shucks, the 11th team may also be from the Lone Star state.

Some new folks here need a reminder---the Political Decision POWER in this conference lies in Texas-- not Tenn., Ky., or anywhere else.

It is "possible" that the Bears get an invite from the SBC and a small chance (I said small) for a MAC invite.

This may just be "positioning" by Missouri St.--in case a few dominoes fall---they want to be MORE ready and be "top of mind."

(05-10-2023 11:45 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 11:03 AM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 10:41 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 10:27 AM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 09:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  With that 12 though, are you doing pods or something? Or WKU in the west with permanent rivals so they don't miss MTSU (meaning the other 10 teams are stuck with pretty random "rivals"). Or do like the SEC did with Missouri and make your second new team play in the West even if they're geographically more eastern than WKU or MTSU? I guess you could send both MTSU and WKU west and make Missouri State go east (in a true mirror of the SEC/Missouri thing).

I'm not sure what we'd gain from going to 12 here. What would improve, do you think? In a vacuum I do like 12 more than 10. I just don't see 2 more schools that work with the other 10 we already have in this case. Who helps? And how?

I'm not sure that you would even need the East-West separation. The ACC for example is moving away from divisions and they have 14 football members. I know that the 15th member, Notre Dame, isn't a football member, but they still are required to play some ACC teams. The fanbases seem to be mostly excited about the change.

I also think that the 12 teams give us a cushion if someone leaves with all the realignment going on. If NMSU or UTEP are offered a spot in the MWC if it came available, do you think they would stay or leave? I could be totally wrong, but I think they would be gone in a heartbeat. If that happened, it would tighten up our footprint eastward.

Expanding to 12 would also expand the conference footprint and fanbase which could eventually help the media deal. For example, as of now, the state of Missouri has 1 FBS team. They are the 19th most populous state in the country. Springfield is larger than Columbia, where the University of Missouri is located.

Short term, I can see the argument of how having to slice the pie 2 more pieces might not be beneficial monetary wise. But, long term, I think it could turn out to be very beneficial. Depending of course on choosing the right additions. If we have the intentions of expanding and wait too long, we could miss out on the right additions.

So add teams because others might leave? Why not just add them when they DO leave? What additions are you afraid of missing out on if we don’t expand soon? Missouri State+1 would be a fine if want you go to 12 but that seems like expanding just to expand.

So, that's what you come away with from my post? Apparently, you didn't read the whole post. My thoughts are called being proactive. I think this conference has already gone through the effects of waiting until they're gone and then replace 'um. Wasn't it not long ago this conference went from 14 to 5 practically overnight? I think that those results were because of the conference's leadership sitting on their hands and then reacting rather than acting beforehand.

And then what happened after it went from 14 to “5”?

No, I read your whole post, I think it’s off base so that’s what I “came away with.” Missouri State will still most likely be in the MVFC, waiting for an FBS call, if/when UTEP and NMSU leave. Whether that be next year or later down the road.

I’m not sure thinking Missouri State will be waiting around if CUSA calls is the best plan, but that’s me. The lack of foresight almost destroyed this conference before. The foresight and vision of other conferences is the reason CUSA lost 9 teams not long ago.There’s no guarantee that waiting until or if someone leaves, that in desperation they can be replaced quickly. Being a part of this conference, I want CUSA to succeed and be the best G5 conference out there. Sitting around and doing nothing or having no plan until something happens is not a formula for success in my opinion. You and I just have different ideas of what a successful CUSA looks like.

(05-10-2023 02:25 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  I’m not sure thinking Missouri State will be waiting around if CUSA calls is the best plan, but that’s me.

Where are they going to go? And if they did, is it a huge drop-off to whoever would still be available? And is this chance worth the costs of adding them now?

The lack of foresight almost destroyed this conference before. The foresight and vision of other conferences is the reason CUSA lost 9 teams not long ago.

Not when it comes to the number of members. CUSA was way out in front of that trend. How'd it work out? You can't argue "don't do what you did before" when "having too many unconnected teams" is exactly what we did before.

There’s no guarantee that waiting until or if someone leaves, that in desperation they can be replaced quickly.

Of course not, but once again - the teams we could add now are probably going to be available in the future. There are two possibilities, right? At some point, we either need additional teams or we don't. If we don't add (now) and don't need them - that's ideal. If we don't add now and then do need to add later, then we either can or we can't. If we can, we're good (err - "as good as could be expected"). If we need to add and can't, well, sure - that's bad, assuming we could have added those needed teams now, which also isn't guaranteed.

Nothing is guaranteed in this business (or most others).

Being a part of this conference, I want CUSA to succeed and be the best G5 conference out there. Sitting around and doing nothing or having no plan until something happens is not a formula for success in my opinion.

We're just talking about one aspect of a successful conference. And not expanding is a choice, too. A choice that has to be considered (as a choice). It's not "doing nothing" to choose not to do the wrong thing. Or the worse thing. Or the riskier thing. Or the unnecessary thing.

This is like saying "choosing not to jump off the bridge is failing to act." It's making an active choice not to do the more harmful thing. Not "sitting around and doing nothing."

They added the 4 teams we needed. They added another for <reasons>. They added DBU for baseball. They negotiated a tv deal. They added women's bowling (and became an instant power, apparently). They picked a new location for the basketball tournament. Eventually (I guess) they'll pick a scheduling plan for a ten team conference. I assume they're kicking the tires on every possible realignment scenario (including adding Missouri State).

You can't assume that not adding them (or fans not being convinced it would be worth it) is the same as sitting around and doing nothing. It could be. But it could also be a considered choice (that, in turn, could end up being the right or wrong choice over the next year, 5 years, 10 years).

You and I just have different ideas of what a successful CUSA looks like.

This likely applies to me as well. But maybe not.

This wasn't a reply to me, but (shockingly) I had thoughts.

BEARS having APR troubles... story came out early today. Could face post season ban in 2024. Athletic director is hoping for "adjustment" or "relief" due to pandemic and massive Portal turnover. Due to lack of retention--not GPA.

A LOT of player turnover during Petrino era. One year and gone players with no progress toward degree.

Still think they are a good candidate--assuming this problem is solved.

SOURCE: Wyatt Wheeler, Springfield News Leader

@WyattWheeler_NL---- If you want the straight truth---read his tweets--a true old-fashioned "beat writer".

(05-10-2023 03:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  A LOT of player turnover during Petrino era.

Who'da thunk?

(05-09-2023 09:32 PM)kip dynamite Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 09:29 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 06:29 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 06:23 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 06:00 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Jones-- "bad at every other sport"

Quick research: Baseball currently 2nd in ten team MVC; 2018 NCAA regional: 2022 NCAA regional--won one game each year

--FCS FB-- 2020 and 2021-- made playoffs

-- Women's Basketball-- 2019- NCAA Sweet 16-- 2021-NCAA Sweet 16, 2022-NCAA-2nd round, 2023-WNIT

** 17 NCAA's, 5 Sweet Sixteens, TWO FINAL FOURS, 14 Conference titles

-- Men's BB-- GREAT attendance; 2022(net 72) NIT bid, 2021 (net 97)

Softball-- 2022 and 2023 2nd place in ten then twelve team league

note--There is strong talk that the NCAA will soon start awarding MONEY-- NCAA "units" for the Women's NCAA Basketball Tournament.

MORE-- The MVC has traditionally been one of the TOP Ten conferences in Men's Basketball and Top Fifteen or higher in Womens-- this shows that these teams even when not in the post season--are playing at a high level.

MVFC--- the #1 or 2 fcs league--again this shows that their team is playing at a very competitive level

CONCLUSION: Adding Missouri State would most certainly make C-USA stronger.

(problem--they may want SBC only and/or may not want to or be ready to move up)

I'm not seeing that your conclusion necessarily follows from your list of "evidence."

Well-- it sure seems obvious that Basketball (M and W) would improve and raise C-USA's NET rating even more. Baseball would be solid and give added quality depth. Other sports would be very competitive. Are you FORGETTING how much MONEY (see FAU) basketball can bring in? Not to mention possible women's tourney units($).

Football--playing in the MVFC already is high level fcs-- so not as far to go as someone from a weaker conference.

They have not had a FCS playoff win since 1999. JSU, KSU and SHSU have been better than Mo St in football in the past 5 years. Mo St is not good at football, however, they are good in basketball and baseball.

My God, are you 15 years old? Would you like to compare athletic resumes side-by-side on all sports? I would absolutely love to do that with you.

Mo St is a good program overall but to act like Mo St has been killing it in football is dumb. That is just the truth. JJOHN368 can go against me all he wants but he only does it to dissagre with me. If someone else said it, he would not respond but since I am saying it, it is an issue. I love Mo St to join C-USA, but I would like football to improve. That is what I am saying and have been saying if you read my comments to Topstright. The point that you have an issue with the statement I just made is beyond me. I said you were good at the main sports you are good at but you are still mad???

(05-10-2023 10:37 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-09-2023 10:08 PM)CornerSeats Wrote:  I think Missouri State would instantly be one of the best athletic programs in CUSA.

Their football team is always complete ass and basketball success looks to be overblown with their most recent tournament being 1999, so not sure about this one.

I said the same thing regarding football but JJOHN368 is down my throat. I have no issue with Mo St joining. They are good in basketball and baseball, but they just need to improve in football thats it.

I have to continually remind myself that any opinion about improvements to the conference just triggers some people.

Opinions posted on a message board are supposed to trigger a response, right?

Sometimes the response is in agreement, sometimes not. Hopefully either way it's reasoned and logical and respectful.

Adding (or trying to add) another school might be a way to improve the conference (or might not be, that seems to be the point of the discussion).

How might it be an improvement? How might it not? How do we balance the pros and cons?

(05-10-2023 02:25 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 11:45 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 11:03 AM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 10:41 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 10:27 AM)3DogNight Wrote:  I'm not sure that you would even need the East-West separation. The ACC for example is moving away from divisions and they have 14 football members. I know that the 15th member, Notre Dame, isn't a football member, but they still are required to play some ACC teams. The fanbases seem to be mostly excited about the change.

I also think that the 12 teams give us a cushion if someone leaves with all the realignment going on. If NMSU or UTEP are offered a spot in the MWC if it came available, do you think they would stay or leave? I could be totally wrong, but I think they would be gone in a heartbeat. If that happened, it would tighten up our footprint eastward.

Expanding to 12 would also expand the conference footprint and fanbase which could eventually help the media deal. For example, as of now, the state of Missouri has 1 FBS team. They are the 19th most populous state in the country. Springfield is larger than Columbia, where the University of Missouri is located.

Short term, I can see the argument of how having to slice the pie 2 more pieces might not be beneficial monetary wise. But, long term, I think it could turn out to be very beneficial. Depending of course on choosing the right additions. If we have the intentions of expanding and wait too long, we could miss out on the right additions.

So add teams because others might leave? Why not just add them when they DO leave? What additions are you afraid of missing out on if we don’t expand soon? Missouri State+1 would be a fine if want you go to 12 but that seems like expanding just to expand.

So, that's what you come away with from my post? Apparently, you didn't read the whole post. My thoughts are called being proactive. I think this conference has already gone through the effects of waiting until they're gone and then replace 'um. Wasn't it not long ago this conference went from 14 to 5 practically overnight? I think that those results were because of the conference's leadership sitting on their hands and then reacting rather than acting beforehand.

And then what happened after it went from 14 to “5”?

No, I read your whole post, I think it’s off base so that’s what I “came away with.” Missouri State will still most likely be in the MVFC, waiting for an FBS call, if/when UTEP and NMSU leave. Whether that be next year or later down the road.

I’m not sure thinking Missouri State will be waiting around if CUSA calls is the best plan, but that’s me. The lack of foresight almost destroyed this conference before. The foresight and vision of other conferences is the reason CUSA lost 9 teams not long ago.There’s no guarantee that waiting until or if someone leaves, that in desperation they can be replaced quickly. Being a part of this conference, I want CUSA to succeed and be the best G5 conference out there. Sitting around and doing nothing or having no plan until something happens is not a formula for success in my opinion. You and I just have different ideas of what a successful CUSA looks like.

Okay, so the Sun Belt scoops up Missouri State. That’s fine. They’re not a “can’t miss” add. Guess what? There are 5+ other FCS schools in the region that would love to be in CUSA. Not adding teams doesn’t necessarily mean we lack foresight, in fact I’d argue the opposite.

Yeah, based on your response, I’d guess we have different goals for our schools’ times in CUSA.

What if we only added Missouri St and stayed at 11? CUSA did that this past season and it was fine.

(05-10-2023 05:19 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 02:25 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 11:45 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 11:03 AM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 10:41 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  So add teams because others might leave? Why not just add them when they DO leave? What additions are you afraid of missing out on if we don’t expand soon? Missouri State+1 would be a fine if want you go to 12 but that seems like expanding just to expand.

So, that's what you come away with from my post? Apparently, you didn't read the whole post. My thoughts are called being proactive. I think this conference has already gone through the effects of waiting until they're gone and then replace 'um. Wasn't it not long ago this conference went from 14 to 5 practically overnight? I think that those results were because of the conference's leadership sitting on their hands and then reacting rather than acting beforehand.

And then what happened after it went from 14 to “5”?

No, I read your whole post, I think it’s off base so that’s what I “came away with.” Missouri State will still most likely be in the MVFC, waiting for an FBS call, if/when UTEP and NMSU leave. Whether that be next year or later down the road.

I’m not sure thinking Missouri State will be waiting around if CUSA calls is the best plan, but that’s me. The lack of foresight almost destroyed this conference before. The foresight and vision of other conferences is the reason CUSA lost 9 teams not long ago.There’s no guarantee that waiting until or if someone leaves, that in desperation they can be replaced quickly. Being a part of this conference, I want CUSA to succeed and be the best G5 conference out there. Sitting around and doing nothing or having no plan until something happens is not a formula for success in my opinion. You and I just have different ideas of what a successful CUSA looks like.

Okay, so the Sun Belt scoops up Missouri State. That’s fine. They’re not a “can’t miss” add. Guess what? There are 5+ other FCS schools in the region that would love to be in CUSA. Not adding teams doesn’t necessarily mean we lack foresight, in fact I’d argue the opposite.

Yeah, based on your response, I’d guess we have different goals for our schools’ times in CUSA.

Why would the SBC go past 14 for Mo St unless the SBC is losing a member?

(05-10-2023 09:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 05:19 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 02:25 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 11:45 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 11:03 AM)3DogNight Wrote:  So, that's what you come away with from my post? Apparently, you didn't read the whole post. My thoughts are called being proactive. I think this conference has already gone through the effects of waiting until they're gone and then replace 'um. Wasn't it not long ago this conference went from 14 to 5 practically overnight? I think that those results were because of the conference's leadership sitting on their hands and then reacting rather than acting beforehand.

And then what happened after it went from 14 to “5”?

No, I read your whole post, I think it’s off base so that’s what I “came away with.” Missouri State will still most likely be in the MVFC, waiting for an FBS call, if/when UTEP and NMSU leave. Whether that be next year or later down the road.

I’m not sure thinking Missouri State will be waiting around if CUSA calls is the best plan, but that’s me. The lack of foresight almost destroyed this conference before. The foresight and vision of other conferences is the reason CUSA lost 9 teams not long ago.There’s no guarantee that waiting until or if someone leaves, that in desperation they can be replaced quickly. Being a part of this conference, I want CUSA to succeed and be the best G5 conference out there. Sitting around and doing nothing or having no plan until something happens is not a formula for success in my opinion. You and I just have different ideas of what a successful CUSA looks like.

Okay, so the Sun Belt scoops up Missouri State. That’s fine. They’re not a “can’t miss” add. Guess what? There are 5+ other FCS schools in the region that would love to be in CUSA. Not adding teams doesn’t necessarily mean we lack foresight, in fact I’d argue the opposite.

Yeah, based on your response, I’d guess we have different goals for our schools’ times in CUSA.

Why would the SBC go past 14 for Mo St unless the SBC is losing a member?

I don’t think they are, Liberty guy seems to think they might not be there for CUSA to take when we need more members though. That’s why he said “ I’m not sure thinking Missouri State will be waiting around if CUSA calls is the best plan “

Also Jones, I heard Missouri State fans tend to be KSU bashers. Should join their board.

(05-10-2023 09:37 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 09:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 05:19 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 02:25 PM)3DogNight Wrote:  

(05-10-2023 11:45 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  And then what happened after it went from 14 to “5”?

No, I read your whole post, I think it’s off base so that’s what I “came away with.” Missouri State will still most likely be in the MVFC, waiting for an FBS call, if/when UTEP and NMSU leave. Whether that be next year or later down the road.

I’m not sure thinking Missouri State will be waiting around if CUSA calls is the best plan, but that’s me. The lack of foresight almost destroyed this conference before. The foresight and vision of other conferences is the reason CUSA lost 9 teams not long ago.There’s no guarantee that waiting until or if someone leaves, that in desperation they can be replaced quickly. Being a part of this conference, I want CUSA to succeed and be the best G5 conference out there. Sitting around and doing nothing or having no plan until something happens is not a formula for success in my opinion. You and I just have different ideas of what a successful CUSA looks like.

Okay, so the Sun Belt scoops up Missouri State. That’s fine. They’re not a “can’t miss” add. Guess what? There are 5+ other FCS schools in the region that would love to be in CUSA. Not adding teams doesn’t necessarily mean we lack foresight, in fact I’d argue the opposite.

Yeah, based on your response, I’d guess we have different goals for our schools’ times in CUSA.

Why would the SBC go past 14 for Mo St unless the SBC is losing a member?

I don’t think they are, Liberty guy seems to think they might not be there for CUSA to take when we need more members though. That’s why he said “ I’m not sure thinking Missouri State will be waiting around if CUSA calls is the best plan “

Also Jones, I heard Missouri State fans tend to be KSU bashers. Should join their board.

I have no issues with Missouri State or their fans. Like I said may times they are a good program but their football needs to improve. KSU beat then by a good bit back in 2018 so Missouri State fans bashing KSU from a football perspective would not work well for them.

(05-10-2023 05:47 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  What if we only added Missouri St and stayed at 11? CUSA did that this past season and it was fine.

To what end? Why?

Make your case.