(12-14-2023 08:30 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 12:12 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 09:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I’m not going to mention everyone we are following, or every online tweet I see that mentions a potential transfer coming to Rice. But I did see some Akron DB starter has been contacted by Rice. Akron was 2-10 this past season but their defense wasn’t the reason.

More noteworthy was the fact that we hosted the Buffalo grad transfer QB on a campus visit last weekend. Someone else can post his bio and stats.

This coaching staff has no loyalty. I hope Padgett yes throws for 400 yards against Texas State.

If you are not bringing in established quarterbacks with college football experience at this point, you are doing it wrong. Those are just the facts.

I don't like it. If time is actually taken to develop them, Padgett and Jenkins could be good quarterbacks for us for the next five years. There must be [b]something[b] that Tui and other coaches saw in them to offer them scholarships.

I've never liked the way Bloomgren handles his quarterbacks, and never will. There's no stability in rolling the dice on a portal QB every season at the expense of having underclassmen with promising abilities watch from the sidelines. If you ask me, it's sleazy. It sends the wrong message.

Padgett came through for him in the final two games in a very big way. He saved Bloomgren's job. The coach needs to repay him by showing some loyalty and some faith in his ability. Rant over.

https://x.com/pregameempire/status/17353...cqyFze8kYQ

(12-14-2023 09:33 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 08:30 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 12:12 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 09:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I’m not going to mention everyone we are following, or every online tweet I see that mentions a potential transfer coming to Rice. But I did see some Akron DB starter has been contacted by Rice. Akron was 2-10 this past season but their defense wasn’t the reason.

More noteworthy was the fact that we hosted the Buffalo grad transfer QB on a campus visit last weekend. Someone else can post his bio and stats.

This coaching staff has no loyalty. I hope Padgett yes throws for 400 yards against Texas State.

If you are not bringing in established quarterbacks with college football experience at this point, you are doing it wrong. Those are just the facts.

I don't like it. If time is actually taken to develop them, Padgett and Jenkins could be good quarterbacks for us for the next five years. There must be [b]something[b] that Tui and other coaches saw in them to offer them scholarships.

I've never liked the way Bloomgren handles his quarterbacks, and never will. There's no stability in rolling the dice on a portal QB every season at the expense of having underclassmen with promising abilities watch from the sidelines. If you ask me, it's sleazy. It sends the wrong message.

Padgett came through for him in the final two games in a very big way. He saved Bloomgren's job. The coach needs to repay him by showing some loyalty and some faith in his ability. Rant over.

I get your point. College sports are pretty sleazy in general.

College football is either win or get left behind. Bringing in a quarterback who has shown that they can do it at the collegiate level and has game experience is a massive advantage over relying only on high school quarterbacks. It just is. Loyalty goes both ways and the door to the transfer portal does too.

I wish we could do away with NIL and the hyperactive transfer portal but we can’t. To say that we are not going to use it to our advantage would be coaching/athletic administrative malpractice.

(12-14-2023 09:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 09:33 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 08:30 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 12:12 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 09:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I’m not going to mention everyone we are following, or every online tweet I see that mentions a potential transfer coming to Rice. But I did see some Akron DB starter has been contacted by Rice. Akron was 2-10 this past season but their defense wasn’t the reason.

More noteworthy was the fact that we hosted the Buffalo grad transfer QB on a campus visit last weekend. Someone else can post his bio and stats.

This coaching staff has no loyalty. I hope Padgett yes throws for 400 yards against Texas State.

If you are not bringing in established quarterbacks with college football experience at this point, you are doing it wrong. Those are just the facts.

I don't like it. If time is actually taken to develop them, Padgett and Jenkins could be good quarterbacks for us for the next five years. There must be [b]something[b] that Tui and other coaches saw in them to offer them scholarships.

I've never liked the way Bloomgren handles his quarterbacks, and never will. There's no stability in rolling the dice on a portal QB every season at the expense of having underclassmen with promising abilities watch from the sidelines. If you ask me, it's sleazy. It sends the wrong message.

Padgett came through for him in the final two games in a very big way. He saved Bloomgren's job. The coach needs to repay him by showing some loyalty and some faith in his ability. Rant over.

I get your point. College sports are pretty sleazy in general.

College football is either win or get left behind. Bringing in a quarterback who has shown that they can do it at the collegiate level and has game experience is a massive advantage over relying only on high school quarterbacks. It just is. Loyalty goes both ways and the door to the transfer portal does too.

I wish we could do away with NIL and the hyperactive transfer portal but we can’t. To say that we are not going to use it to our advantage would be coaching/athletic administrative malpractice.

It's sick. I have no problem with mining the portal if it fills a glaring need, but to bring in another quarterback right now would be just plain wrong. Padgett and Jenkins both have meaningful abilities. I wouldn't blame either for leaving if Bloomgren does them dirty. He can deal with the consequences.

(12-14-2023 10:38 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 09:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 09:33 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 08:30 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 12:12 PM)Ourland Wrote:  This coaching staff has no loyalty. I hope Padgett yes throws for 400 yards against Texas State.

If you are not bringing in established quarterbacks with college football experience at this point, you are doing it wrong. Those are just the facts.

I don't like it. If time is actually taken to develop them, Padgett and Jenkins could be good quarterbacks for us for the next five years. There must be [b]something[b] that Tui and other coaches saw in them to offer them scholarships.

I've never liked the way Bloomgren handles his quarterbacks, and never will. There's no stability in rolling the dice on a portal QB every season at the expense of having underclassmen with promising abilities watch from the sidelines. If you ask me, it's sleazy. It sends the wrong message.

Padgett came through for him in the final two games in a very big way. He saved Bloomgren's job. The coach needs to repay him by showing some loyalty and some faith in his ability. Rant over.

I get your point. College sports are pretty sleazy in general.

College football is either win or get left behind. Bringing in a quarterback who has shown that they can do it at the collegiate level and has game experience is a massive advantage over relying only on high school quarterbacks. It just is. Loyalty goes both ways and the door to the transfer portal does too.

I wish we could do away with NIL and the hyperactive transfer portal but we can’t. To say that we are not going to use it to our advantage would be coaching/athletic administrative malpractice.

It's sick. I have no problem with mining the portal if it fills a glaring need, but to bring in another quarterback right now would be just plain wrong. Padgett and Jenkins both have meaningful abilities. I wouldn't blame either for leaving if Bloomgren does them dirty. He can deal with the consequences.

Is it sick when players enter the portal and leave Rice? Are they doing the coaching staff dirty?

My understanding is that we do now have some type of modest NIL program set up. I do not have any details beyond that.

(12-14-2023 09:41 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  https://x.com/pregameempire/status/17353...cqyFze8kYQ

He is the pro-style QB that Bloom and Tui are looking for, but he’s not coming to Rice. It’s too early in his career for a move to Houston.


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(12-14-2023 11:16 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  My understanding is that we do now have some type of modest NIL program set up. I do not have any details beyond that.

Yes, with several corporate sponsors. The football NIL is far more advanced and can offer far more $$$s than the baseball or basketball NIL collectives at this point. The baseball one is just getting started and is headed up by Jimmy Comerota.

(12-14-2023 09:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  College football is either win or get left behind. Bringing in a quarterback who has shown that they can do it at the collegiate level and has game experience is a massive advantage over relying only on high school quarterbacks. It just is. Loyalty goes both ways and the door to the transfer portal does too.

I wish we could do away with NIL and the hyperactive transfer portal but we can’t. To say that we are not going to use it to our advantage would be coaching/athletic administrative malpractice.

This

I don't know if JT was 'the model' for our offense or if they simply made the offense work with his skillset.... but if he is the model then I don't see those skillsets on our bench. I don't see 'pass first', highly accurate, run only if necessary guys. I see dual threat guys.... for whom accuracy is less key because the run threat creates bigger openings. You can scheme to either set, but it seems that we did much better scheming to the former.

If we have 'the guy' on our bench then there is no need to recruit a QB... but that can change in a heartbeat if Padgett has a great bowl game and he finds a better opportunity somewhere. That's the reality.

(12-14-2023 10:54 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:38 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 09:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 09:33 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 08:30 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  If you are not bringing in established quarterbacks with college football experience at this point, you are doing it wrong. Those are just the facts.

I don't like it. If time is actually taken to develop them, Padgett and Jenkins could be good quarterbacks for us for the next five years. There must be [b]something[b] that Tui and other coaches saw in them to offer them scholarships.

I've never liked the way Bloomgren handles his quarterbacks, and never will. There's no stability in rolling the dice on a portal QB every season at the expense of having underclassmen with promising abilities watch from the sidelines. If you ask me, it's sleazy. It sends the wrong message.

Padgett came through for him in the final two games in a very big way. He saved Bloomgren's job. The coach needs to repay him by showing some loyalty and some faith in his ability. Rant over.

I get your point. College sports are pretty sleazy in general.

College football is either win or get left behind. Bringing in a quarterback who has shown that they can do it at the collegiate level and has game experience is a massive advantage over relying only on high school quarterbacks. It just is. Loyalty goes both ways and the door to the transfer portal does too.

I wish we could do away with NIL and the hyperactive transfer portal but we can’t. To say that we are not going to use it to our advantage would be coaching/athletic administrative malpractice.

It's sick. I have no problem with mining the portal if it fills a glaring need, but to bring in another quarterback right now would be just plain wrong. Padgett and Jenkins both have meaningful abilities. I wouldn't blame either for leaving if Bloomgren does them dirty. He can deal with the consequences.

Is it sick when players enter the portal and leave Rice? Are they doing the coaching staff dirty?

That depends on the circumstances surrounding the decision to transfer. Players typically leave because they are unhappy, or because they aren't getting enough playing time. That's understandable. On the other hand, there's always the player who develops at one place, and then decides to leave to make more money and get more attention somewhere else. That's wrong to the coaches who signed him when he had very few, or no other offers at all coming out of high school. There's no loyalty in that to the coaches and his teammates.

What we have at Rice are two young, capable quarterbacks, one of which played well enough to help save Bloomgren's neck for one more season. That being the case, he should continue to develop him as if he will be the starter.

My only hope is that Padgett is good enough to beat out whomever is imported, because I know it's coming. I'm confident that he'll be good enough by Spring practice and two-a-days to win the starting position. He'll be a good quarterback for us if this staff decides to give him all of the snaps.

I have no - zero - problem with the transfer rules. If a player doesn't want to be here or wants to be elsewhere for any reason, let him/her go.

I have tremendous problems with the NIL. It is quickly transforming college athletics into a minor pro league. Suddenly the part-time job called an athletic scholarship - at Rice, worth $60K - is not enough recompense.

(12-15-2023 04:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I have no - zero - problem with the transfer rules. If a player doesn't want to be here or wants to be elsewhere for any reason, let him/her go.

I have tremendous problems with the NIL. It is quickly transforming college athletics into a minor pro league. Suddenly the part-time job called an athletic scholarship - at Rice, worth $60K - is not enough recompense.

Agree. If a student -athlete is unhappy for any reason, he or she should be permitted to leave without judgement. The problem I have are with the athletes that use one university to vault themselves into what they see as a better situation at another.

NIL has ruined college athletics in every way. It should be enough that athletes are getting a free education , as well as free room and board in the nicest dorms on campus. . Now, none of that matters. It's all about money.

(12-15-2023 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 04:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I have no - zero - problem with the transfer rules. If a player doesn't want to be here or wants to be elsewhere for any reason, let him/her go.

I have tremendous problems with the NIL. It is quickly transforming college athletics into a minor pro league. Suddenly the part-time job called an athletic scholarship - at Rice, worth $60K - is not enough recompense.

Agree. If a student -athlete is unhappy for any reason, he or she should be permitted to leave without judgement. The problem I have are with the athletes that use one university to vault themselves into what they see as a better situation at another.

NIL has ruined college athletics in every way. It should be enough that athletes are getting a free education , as well as free room and board in the nicest dorms on campus. . Now, none of that matters. It's all about money.

Re: the bolded and italicized part.

I see that as akin to an employee leaving one corporation for another because he thinks that is a good career step for him. I think everybody is entitled to pursue what he perceives as the best path to his goal.

Other than that, we are in agreement.

(12-15-2023 11:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 04:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I have no - zero - problem with the transfer rules. If a player doesn't want to be here or wants to be elsewhere for any reason, let him/her go.

I have tremendous problems with the NIL. It is quickly transforming college athletics into a minor pro league. Suddenly the part-time job called an athletic scholarship - at Rice, worth $60K - is not enough recompense.

Agree. If a student -athlete is unhappy for any reason, he or she should be permitted to leave without judgement. The problem I have are with the athletes that use one university to vault themselves into what they see as a better situation at another.

NIL has ruined college athletics in every way. It should be enough that athletes are getting a free education , as well as free room and board in the nicest dorms on campus. . Now, none of that matters. It's all about money.

Re: the bolded and italicized part.

I see that as akin to an employee leaving one corporation for another because he thinks that is a good career step for him. I think everybody is entitled to pursue what he perceives as the best path to his goal.

Other than that, we are in agreement.

I see you're point. My feeling is that the NFL is going to find the best talent, no matter if it's at Rice or Texas.

I'm a traditionalist. I hate to see what has happened to the game, and to the student-athlete. Neither entity is loyal to the other. It's a shame. Everything has changed, and it's never going back.

(12-15-2023 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It should be enough that athletes are getting a free education , as well as free room and board in the nicest dorms on campus. . Now, none of that matters. It's all about money.

But that's the problem. At far too many football and basketball factories, the "education" consists of a parks & recreation or similar major, with test questions like, "How many points do you get for a 3-point basket?" That degree is basically worthless. When Dexter Manley can play football at Oklahoma State and the Washington Redskins witout knowing how to read, he obviously did not get an education of much value.

If athletes received real educations that provided excellent preparation for lifetime success, the story would be different.

(12-16-2023 08:35 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 11:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 04:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I have no - zero - problem with the transfer rules. If a player doesn't want to be here or wants to be elsewhere for any reason, let him/her go.

I have tremendous problems with the NIL. It is quickly transforming college athletics into a minor pro league. Suddenly the part-time job called an athletic scholarship - at Rice, worth $60K - is not enough recompense.

Agree. If a student -athlete is unhappy for any reason, he or she should be permitted to leave without judgement. The problem I have are with the athletes that use one university to vault themselves into what they see as a better situation at another.

NIL has ruined college athletics in every way. It should be enough that athletes are getting a free education , as well as free room and board in the nicest dorms on campus. . Now, none of that matters. It's all about money.

Re: the bolded and italicized part.

I see that as akin to an employee leaving one corporation for another because he thinks that is a good career step for him. I think everybody is entitled to pursue what he perceives as the best path to his goal.

Other than that, we are in agreement.

I see you're point. My feeling is that the NFL is going to find the best talent, no matter if it's at Rice or Texas.

I'm a traditionalist. I hate to see what has happened to the game, and to the student-athlete. Neither entity is loyal to the other. It's a shame. Everything has changed, and it's never going back.

I miss the old days too, but they are gone, gone forever.

I think we will evolve to two divisions, one where athletes are well compensated monetarily and may take classes as a perk of their employment, and another in which they agree to take limited NIL AND a full scholarship as recompense for their athletic involvement.

Neither involves lifelong loyalty, and never did.

(12-16-2023 08:50 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It should be enough that athletes are getting a free education , as well as free room and board in the nicest dorms on campus. . Now, none of that matters. It's all about money.

But that's the problem. At far too many football and basketball factories, the "education" consists of a parks & recreation or similar major, with test questions like, "How many points do you get for a 3-point basket?" That degree is basically worthless. When Dexter Manley can play football at Oklahoma State and the Washington Redskins witout knowing how to read, he obviously did not get an education of much value.

If athletes received real educations that provided excellent preparation for lifetime success, the story would be different.

Athletes get the educations they want. There are plenty of athletes at lesser schools who become doctors, lawyers, engineers - if they want to. The courses you mention are primarily for those majoring in pre-NFL or preNBA. Of course there will be those in each group who fail to reach their goals, but that’s life.

(12-16-2023 10:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 08:50 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  It should be enough that athletes are getting a free education , as well as free room and board in the nicest dorms on campus. . Now, none of that matters. It's all about money.

But that's the problem. At far too many football and basketball factories, the "education" consists of a parks & recreation or similar major, with test questions like, "How many points do you get for a 3-point basket?" That degree is basically worthless. When Dexter Manley can play football at Oklahoma State and the Washington Redskins witout knowing how to read, he obviously did not get an education of much value.

If athletes received real educations that provided excellent preparation for lifetime success, the story would be different.

Athletes get the educations they want. There are plenty of athletes at lesser schools who become doctors, lawyers, engineers - if they want to. The courses you mention are primarily for those majoring in pre-NFL or preNBA. Of course there will be those in each group who fail to reach their goals, but that’s life.

+1

(12-16-2023 08:35 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 11:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 04:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I have no - zero - problem with the transfer rules. If a player doesn't want to be here or wants to be elsewhere for any reason, let him/her go.

I have tremendous problems with the NIL. It is quickly transforming college athletics into a minor pro league. Suddenly the part-time job called an athletic scholarship - at Rice, worth $60K - is not enough recompense.

Agree. If a student -athlete is unhappy for any reason, he or she should be permitted to leave without judgement. The problem I have are with the athletes that use one university to vault themselves into what they see as a better situation at another.

NIL has ruined college athletics in every way. It should be enough that athletes are getting a free education , as well as free room and board in the nicest dorms on campus. . Now, none of that matters. It's all about money.

Re: the bolded and italicized part.

I see that as akin to an employee leaving one corporation for another because he thinks that is a good career step for him. I think everybody is entitled to pursue what he perceives as the best path to his goal.

Other than that, we are in agreement.

I see you're point. My feeling is that the NFL is going to find the best talent, no matter if it's at Rice or Texas.

I'm a traditionalist. I hate to see what has happened to the game, and to the student-athlete. Neither entity is loyal to the other. It's a shame. Everything has changed, and it's never going back.

Lots of people agree with you. For the most part, I do as well. But you seem to be making an accusation of the coaches displaying a moral failing for utilizing the transfer portal. For some reason you seem to single out Rice, as opposed to every other school which is doing the same thing. I guess we could be taking a moral stand and say we’re not going to participate by bringing in any transfers. Certainly, that would hasten the complete demise of the program.

Likewise, we must be involved with the portal or just pack it in.
I believe we got 5 starters this year from the portal last season.
Bringing in a quarterback just causes more competition since I doubt the staff guarantees anybody a starting role, which would be dumb. No doubt JT won us some games, and no doubt AJ saved Blooms job. But I think AJ also had time to develop as the season went on. Its very unlikely any QB plays every game and we need to be 3 deep with a 12 game season.
With only 10 or 11 commits so far I think they are planning to bring in &-10 portal guys. The MBA post grad and sports management degrees seem to be an attraction.