(04-09-2023 12:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 10:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:51 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:40 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 10:48 AM)Section 200 Wrote:  Cincinnati & Indianapolis are Big East cities!

I have tremendous respect for Xavier University and Butler University. But to say Cincinnati and Indianapolis are "Big East cities," ... is a major stretch. Perhaps you are using exaggeration for effect.

Using your definition, what are the Big East cities - only Creighton, Providence & Hartford? Xavier is the second most popular college basketball team in Cincinnati & Butler is second most popular in Indianapolis with the benefit that IU & Purdue fans root for Butler when not playing them. Cincinnati & Indianapolis are absolutely Big East cities.

For the Big East, I would say the following are "Big East cities": Hartford, New York, Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Providence, Philadelphia and Omaha.

I strongly feel Indianapolis is much more so a Big Ten city (due to IU and Purdue) than a Big East city. Those are two massive schools with lots of fans (far more than Butler). Similarly Cincinnati is much more a Big Ten city (and perhaps at some point a Big 12 city) than a Big East city. Ohio State and UC are so much larger and more influential than XU. And Cincinnati (the city) offers lots of Kentucky fans, too.

Worth noting: Neither Butler nor Xavier has a long-standing Big East history (both have been BE members a mere 10 years).

As a DePaul follower, I would like to be able to say Chicago is a Big East city. But it clearly is not. The Big Ten is much more influential in the Windy City than is the BE.

And, again, the only "Big East state" is Connecticut.

There really aren’t many Ohio State basketball fans in Cincinnati. The people that root for OSU FB here root for another school for hoops. Paul Daugherty, who wrote a sports column in town for 30 years here, wrote about a few times. With UC, XU, UD, Louisville and UK around OSU hoops is just not attractive as a product- even for people who might like their FB program.

This is a fact, the Cincinnati Enquirer did a great piece on it. OSU was down arround the same level of support as Miami(OH), NKU, Indiana, and barely above Ohio University and Wright State. There is just not much Ohio State fan base in the area anymore. Basketball support has really regionalized to the school you went to.

(04-09-2023 12:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 10:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:51 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:40 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 10:48 AM)Section 200 Wrote:  Cincinnati & Indianapolis are Big East cities!

I have tremendous respect for Xavier University and Butler University. But to say Cincinnati and Indianapolis are "Big East cities," ... is a major stretch. Perhaps you are using exaggeration for effect.

Using your definition, what are the Big East cities - only Creighton, Providence & Hartford? Xavier is the second most popular college basketball team in Cincinnati & Butler is second most popular in Indianapolis with the benefit that IU & Purdue fans root for Butler when not playing them. Cincinnati & Indianapolis are absolutely Big East cities.

For the Big East, I would say the following are "Big East cities": Hartford, New York, Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Providence, Philadelphia and Omaha.

I strongly feel Indianapolis is much more so a Big Ten city (due to IU and Purdue) than a Big East city. Those are two massive schools with lots of fans (far more than Butler). Similarly Cincinnati is much more a Big Ten city (and perhaps at some point a Big 12 city) than a Big East city. Ohio State and UC are so much larger and more influential than XU. And Cincinnati (the city) offers lots of Kentucky fans, too.

Worth noting: Neither Butler nor Xavier has a long-standing Big East history (both have been BE members a mere 10 years).

As a DePaul follower, I would like to be able to say Chicago is a Big East city. But it clearly is not. The Big Ten is much more influential in the Windy City than is the BE.

And, again, the only "Big East state" is Connecticut.

There really aren’t many Ohio State basketball fans in Cincinnati. The people that root for OSU FB here root for another school for hoops. Paul Daugherty, who wrote a sports column in town for 30 years here, wrote about a few times. With UC, XU, UD, Louisville and UK around OSU hoops is just not attractive as a product- even for people who might like their FB program.

I seem to recall you one posted a link to a Paul Daughtery piece regarding this topic. It does, in fact, seem that the city of Cincinnati is more a "Big East men's basketball city" than it is a "Big Ten (or SEC) men's basketball city." It clearly was not an "AAC city." Now with UC headed to the Big 12 and joining West Virginia, I could see the Queen City becoming a "Big 12 city" much like Louisville has become an "ACC city" as much, if not more so, than an "SEC city."

As to the type "college sports league city" Cincinnati is in a general sense, I would assume there are more Ohio State fans (football, basketball, the school in general, etc.) living in the general Cincinnati area than there are Xavier fans. Thus I view the city as more a "Big Ten in general city" than I do it a "Big East city." I could be wrong.

As we've noted before, Cincinnati (as a city that borders Kentucky and Ohio and is very near Indiana) is neither "fully Ohio" nor "fully the North/Midwest." It's a hybrid city of sorts. And I actually feel that's a positive thing. That location and "feel" has helped Xavier, for example, more effectively than perhaps otherwise establish its Big East brand. And it should do likewise for UC establishing its future Big 12 brand.

(04-09-2023 10:44 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 10:38 AM)Realigned Wrote:  Wonder what the rating were in Miami with two teams that made the Final 4.

We’ll probably never find out barring a leak, but TVB Insights released the top-10 markets for Miami-Texas Elite 8 game and Miami was not among them. Top-10 were Austin, Louisville, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Columbus, Richmond, Dayton, Tulsa, & Raleigh.

Thought Palm Beach would do better here.

(04-09-2023 06:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 12:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 10:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:51 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:40 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I have tremendous respect for Xavier University and Butler University. But to say Cincinnati and Indianapolis are "Big East cities," ... is a major stretch. Perhaps you are using exaggeration for effect.

Using your definition, what are the Big East cities - only Creighton, Providence & Hartford? Xavier is the second most popular college basketball team in Cincinnati & Butler is second most popular in Indianapolis with the benefit that IU & Purdue fans root for Butler when not playing them. Cincinnati & Indianapolis are absolutely Big East cities.

For the Big East, I would say the following are "Big East cities": Hartford, New York, Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Providence, Philadelphia and Omaha.

I strongly feel Indianapolis is much more so a Big Ten city (due to IU and Purdue) than a Big East city. Those are two massive schools with lots of fans (far more than Butler). Similarly Cincinnati is much more a Big Ten city (and perhaps at some point a Big 12 city) than a Big East city. Ohio State and UC are so much larger and more influential than XU. And Cincinnati (the city) offers lots of Kentucky fans, too.

Worth noting: Neither Butler nor Xavier has a long-standing Big East history (both have been BE members a mere 10 years).

As a DePaul follower, I would like to be able to say Chicago is a Big East city. But it clearly is not. The Big Ten is much more influential in the Windy City than is the BE.

And, again, the only "Big East state" is Connecticut.

There really aren’t many Ohio State basketball fans in Cincinnati. The people that root for OSU FB here root for another school for hoops. Paul Daugherty, who wrote a sports column in town for 30 years here, wrote about a few times. With UC, XU, UD, Louisville and UK around OSU hoops is just not attractive as a product- even for people who might like their FB program.

I seem to recall you one posted a link to a Paul Daughtery piece regarding this topic. It does, in fact, seem that the city of Cincinnati is more a "Big East men's basketball city" than it is a "Big Ten (or SEC) men's basketball city." It clearly was not an "AAC city." Now with UC headed to the Big 12 and joining West Virginia, I could see the Queen City becoming a "Big 12 city" much like Louisville has become an "ACC city" as much, if not more so, than an "SEC city."

As to the type "college sports league city" Cincinnati is in a general sense, I would assume there are more Ohio State fans (football, basketball, the school in general, etc.) living in the general Cincinnati area than there are Xavier fans. Thus I view the city as more a "Big Ten in general city" than I do it a "Big East city." I could be wrong.

As we've noted before, Cincinnati (as a city that borders Kentucky and Ohio and is very near Indiana) is neither "fully Ohio" nor "fully the North/Midwest." It's a hybrid city of sorts. And I actually feel that's a positive thing. That location and "feel" has helped Xavier, for example, more effectively than perhaps otherwise establish its Big East brand. And it should do likewise for UC establishing its future Big 12 brand.

I’d say Cincinnati as a city is a “Cincinnati” town (meaning the local teams not specifically just UC) not particularly a (fill in the blank) conference town. To explain, Columbus is a B10 town. If tOSU is out of the tournament, people in Columbus would root for whatever B10 teams are still in. In Cincinnati, it’s not as if UC fans rooted for AAC schools or Xavier fans were rooting for UConn or another Big East school. We sort of look after our own here and that’s about it. UC has been on a new conference every decade going back the last 80 years. We really don’t have loyalty to anyone else.

As to Xavier, they have a loyal fan base that routinely sells out there arena, but they are clearly second fiddle around here to the Bearcats due to the disproportionate size of the alumni base (UC has 350k living alumni most of whom who live in Greater Cincinnati; XU might have 100k). If UC and XU play on the radio at the same time, UC is on the flagship 700WLW and XU goes down the radio dial to a lower watt station. UC is the one that moves the needle so they often lead in the paper or on the local broadcast news.

(04-08-2023 12:51 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:40 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 10:48 AM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(04-07-2023 04:02 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-07-2023 02:56 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  Even without the hometown Cardinals in March Madness, Louisville led all U.S. TV markets across CBS, TNT, TBS and truTV for the NCAA Men’s Tournament, reports SBJ’s Austin Karp.

Louisville averaged a 13.3 local rating for all games this year, well above Cincinnati at No. 2 with a 11.4 local rating. Indianapolis (11.1), Kansas City (10.4) and Knoxville (10.2) rounded out the top five.

During CBS’ coverage of the UConn-San Diego State national championship on Monday night, Hartford-New Haven led all markets with a 26.5 local rating, followed by San Diego with a 19.6.

Rounding out the top five were Louisville (13.9), Cincinnati (12.2) and Birmingham (12.0).
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...04/06.aspx

CBS/TBS/TNT/truTV) NCAA Men's Championship (CBS)
RANK MARKET RAT. RANK MARKET RAT.
1 Louisville 13.2 1 Hartford-New Haven 26.5
2 Cincinnati 11.4 2 San Diego 19.6
3 Indianapolis 11.1 3 Louisville 13.9
4 Kansas City 10.4 4 Cincinnati 12.2
5 Knoxville 10.2 5 Birmingham 12.0
6 Birmingham 10.1 6 Memphis 11.5
7 Dayton 9.1 7 Indianapolis 11.3
t8 Columbus 8.7 8 Nashville 11.1
t8 Hartford-New Haven 8.7 9 Albuquerque-Santa Fe 10.9
10 Tulsa 8.6 10 Richmond 10.5

I'm pleasantly surprised to see Nashville on the list. And no Big East cities (unless you count Hartford). In fact, only one city with an MSA population of more than about 2.2 million (San Diego) is on the list.

Cincinnati & Indianapolis are Big East cities!

I have tremendous respect for Xavier University and Butler University. But to say Cincinnati and Indianapolis are "Big East cities," ... is a major stretch. Perhaps you are using exaggeration for effect.

Using your definition, what are the Big East cities - only Creighton, Providence & Hartford? Xavier is the second most popular college basketball team in Cincinnati & Butler is second most popular in Indianapolis with the benefit that IU & Purdue fans root for Butler when not playing them. Cincinnati & Indianapolis are absolutely Big East cities.

UK is the 2nd most popular bball team in Greater Cincy.

(04-09-2023 06:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I seem to recall you one posted a link to a Paul Daughtery piece regarding this topic. It does, in fact, seem that the city of Cincinnati is more a "Big East men's basketball city" than it is a "Big Ten (or SEC) men's basketball city." It clearly was not an "AAC city." Now with UC headed to the Big 12 and joining West Virginia, I could see the Queen City becoming a "Big 12 city" much like Louisville has become an "ACC city" as much, if not more so, than an "SEC city."

As to the type "college sports league city" Cincinnati is in a general sense, I would assume there are more Ohio State fans (football, basketball, the school in general, etc.) living in the general Cincinnati area than there are Xavier fans. Thus I view the city as more a "Big Ten in general city" than I do it a "Big East city." I could be wrong.

As we've noted before, Cincinnati (as a city that borders Kentucky and Ohio and is very near Indiana) is neither "fully Ohio" nor "fully the North/Midwest." It's a hybrid city of sorts. And I actually feel that's a positive thing. That location and "feel" has helped Xavier, for example, more effectively than perhaps otherwise establish its Big East brand. And it should do likewise for UC establishing its future Big 12 brand.

Louisville has never been an “SEC city.”

Until The SEC signed its deal with ESPN, UK football and basketball games were shown tape delayed here in Louisville.

If you wanted to watch UK football in Louisville you had to stay up until 2AM Sunday morning and catch it on WAVE 3.

You couldn’t even listen to a Kentucky game live on the radio in Louisville until UK athletics paid I Heart Media to broadcast their games here in the city.

Kentucky fans are just different. I would guess UK probably has the biggest percentage of fans who have never actually attended a game in Lexington.

This is what legendary Reds announcer Marty Brennaman said about UK fans

"All I hear about is Big Blue Nation, and Big Blue this and Big Blue that," he said in recalling his on-air comments. "I said, I'm frankly surprised and disappointed at the number of Kentucky fans who showed up at the ballpark tonight knowing (Calipari) and his staff and the trophy were all going to be here. "I guess you're Big Blue fans as long as you don't have to go into your pocket and buy a ticket."

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildc...reds-game/

(04-09-2023 08:04 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 06:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 12:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 10:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:51 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Using your definition, what are the Big East cities - only Creighton, Providence & Hartford? Xavier is the second most popular college basketball team in Cincinnati & Butler is second most popular in Indianapolis with the benefit that IU & Purdue fans root for Butler when not playing them. Cincinnati & Indianapolis are absolutely Big East cities.

For the Big East, I would say the following are "Big East cities": Hartford, New York, Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Providence, Philadelphia and Omaha.

I strongly feel Indianapolis is much more so a Big Ten city (due to IU and Purdue) than a Big East city. Those are two massive schools with lots of fans (far more than Butler). Similarly Cincinnati is much more a Big Ten city (and perhaps at some point a Big 12 city) than a Big East city. Ohio State and UC are so much larger and more influential than XU. And Cincinnati (the city) offers lots of Kentucky fans, too.

Worth noting: Neither Butler nor Xavier has a long-standing Big East history (both have been BE members a mere 10 years).

As a DePaul follower, I would like to be able to say Chicago is a Big East city. But it clearly is not. The Big Ten is much more influential in the Windy City than is the BE.

And, again, the only "Big East state" is Connecticut.

There really aren’t many Ohio State basketball fans in Cincinnati. The people that root for OSU FB here root for another school for hoops. Paul Daugherty, who wrote a sports column in town for 30 years here, wrote about a few times. With UC, XU, UD, Louisville and UK around OSU hoops is just not attractive as a product- even for people who might like their FB program.

I seem to recall you one posted a link to a Paul Daughtery piece regarding this topic. It does, in fact, seem that the city of Cincinnati is more a "Big East men's basketball city" than it is a "Big Ten (or SEC) men's basketball city." It clearly was not an "AAC city." Now with UC headed to the Big 12 and joining West Virginia, I could see the Queen City becoming a "Big 12 city" much like Louisville has become an "ACC city" as much, if not more so, than an "SEC city."

As to the type "college sports league city" Cincinnati is in a general sense, I would assume there are more Ohio State fans (football, basketball, the school in general, etc.) living in the general Cincinnati area than there are Xavier fans. Thus I view the city as more a "Big Ten in general city" than I do it a "Big East city." I could be wrong.

As we've noted before, Cincinnati (as a city that borders Kentucky and Ohio and is very near Indiana) is neither "fully Ohio" nor "fully the North/Midwest." It's a hybrid city of sorts. And I actually feel that's a positive thing. That location and "feel" has helped Xavier, for example, more effectively than perhaps otherwise establish its Big East brand. And it should do likewise for UC establishing its future Big 12 brand.

I’d say Cincinnati as a city is a “Cincinnati” town (meaning the local teams not specifically just UC) not particularly a (fill in the blank) conference town. To explain, Columbus is a B10 town. If tOSU is out of the tournament, people in Columbus would root for whatever B10 teams are still in. In Cincinnati, it’s not as if UC fans rooted for AAC schools or Xavier fans were rooting for UConn or another Big East school. We sort of look after our own here and that’s about it. UC has been on a new conference every decade going back the last 80 years. We really don’t have loyalty to anyone else.

As to Xavier, they have a loyal fan base that routinely sells out there arena, but they are clearly second fiddle around here to the Bearcats due to the disproportionate size of the alumni base (UC has 350k living alumni most of whom who live in Greater Cincinnati; XU might have 100k). If UC and XU play on the radio at the same time, UC is on the flagship 700WLW and XU goes down the radio dial to a lower watt station. UC is the one that moves the needle so they often lead in the paper or on the local broadcast news.

Interesting info, C-Ave. I always enjoy getting your take on Cincinnati (both the city and the university).

(04-10-2023 02:33 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 06:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I seem to recall you one posted a link to a Paul Daughtery piece regarding this topic. It does, in fact, seem that the city of Cincinnati is more a "Big East men's basketball city" than it is a "Big Ten (or SEC) men's basketball city." It clearly was not an "AAC city." Now with UC headed to the Big 12 and joining West Virginia, I could see the Queen City becoming a "Big 12 city" much like Louisville has become an "ACC city" as much, if not more so, than an "SEC city."

As to the type "college sports league city" Cincinnati is in a general sense, I would assume there are more Ohio State fans (football, basketball, the school in general, etc.) living in the general Cincinnati area than there are Xavier fans. Thus I view the city as more a "Big Ten in general city" than I do it a "Big East city." I could be wrong.

As we've noted before, Cincinnati (as a city that borders Kentucky and Ohio and is very near Indiana) is neither "fully Ohio" nor "fully the North/Midwest." It's a hybrid city of sorts. And I actually feel that's a positive thing. That location and "feel" has helped Xavier, for example, more effectively than perhaps otherwise establish its Big East brand. And it should do likewise for UC establishing its future Big 12 brand.

Louisville has never been an “SEC city.”

Until The SEC signed its deal with ESPN, UK football and basketball games were shown tape delayed here in Louisville.

If you wanted to watch UK football in Louisville you had to stay up until 2AM Sunday morning and catch it on WAVE 3.

You couldn’t even listen to a Kentucky game live on the radio in Louisville until UK athletics paid I Heart Media to broadcast their games here in the city.

Kentucky fans are just different. I would guess UK probably has the biggest percentage of fans who have never actually attended a game in Lexington.

This is what legendary Reds announcer Marty Brennaman said about UK fans

"All I hear about is Big Blue Nation, and Big Blue this and Big Blue that," he said in recalling his on-air comments. "I said, I'm frankly surprised and disappointed at the number of Kentucky fans who showed up at the ballpark tonight knowing (Calipari) and his staff and the trophy were all going to be here. "I guess you're Big Blue fans as long as you don't have to go into your pocket and buy a ticket."

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildc...reds-game/

There is clearly some validity to that statement, C-Jim.

During the many times I visited Louisville (the city) between 1985 and 2005 (the year UL joined the Big East), I didn't seek many folks wearing Kentucky Wildcat gear.

The most recent time I visited Lexington, I saw far fewer people wearing UK hats, offering UK stickers on their vehicles' bumpers, etc., than I was expecting. I was surprised (and pleased, for that matter).

(04-09-2023 06:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 12:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 10:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:51 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:40 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I have tremendous respect for Xavier University and Butler University. But to say Cincinnati and Indianapolis are "Big East cities," ... is a major stretch. Perhaps you are using exaggeration for effect.

Using your definition, what are the Big East cities - only Creighton, Providence & Hartford? Xavier is the second most popular college basketball team in Cincinnati & Butler is second most popular in Indianapolis with the benefit that IU & Purdue fans root for Butler when not playing them. Cincinnati & Indianapolis are absolutely Big East cities.

For the Big East, I would say the following are "Big East cities": Hartford, New York, Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Providence, Philadelphia and Omaha.

I strongly feel Indianapolis is much more so a Big Ten city (due to IU and Purdue) than a Big East city. Those are two massive schools with lots of fans (far more than Butler). Similarly Cincinnati is much more a Big Ten city (and perhaps at some point a Big 12 city) than a Big East city. Ohio State and UC are so much larger and more influential than XU. And Cincinnati (the city) offers lots of Kentucky fans, too.

Worth noting: Neither Butler nor Xavier has a long-standing Big East history (both have been BE members a mere 10 years).

As a DePaul follower, I would like to be able to say Chicago is a Big East city. But it clearly is not. The Big Ten is much more influential in the Windy City than is the BE.

And, again, the only "Big East state" is Connecticut.

There really aren’t many Ohio State basketball fans in Cincinnati. The people that root for OSU FB here root for another school for hoops. Paul Daugherty, who wrote a sports column in town for 30 years here, wrote about a few times. With UC, XU, UD, Louisville and UK around OSU hoops is just not attractive as a product- even for people who might like their FB program.

I seem to recall you one posted a link to a Paul Daughtery piece regarding this topic. It does, in fact, seem that the city of Cincinnati is more a "Big East men's basketball city" than it is a "Big Ten (or SEC) men's basketball city." It clearly was not an "AAC city." Now with UC headed to the Big 12 and joining West Virginia, I could see the Queen City becoming a "Big 12 city" much like Louisville has become an "ACC city" as much, if not more so, than an "SEC city."

As to the type "college sports league city" Cincinnati is in a general sense, I would assume there are more Ohio State fans (football, basketball, the school in general, etc.) living in the general Cincinnati area than there are Xavier fans. Thus I view the city as more a "Big Ten in general city" than I do it a "Big East city." I could be wrong.

As we've noted before, Cincinnati (as a city that borders Kentucky and Ohio and is very near Indiana) is neither "fully Ohio" nor "fully the North/Midwest." It's a hybrid city of sorts. And I actually feel that's a positive thing. That location and "feel" has helped Xavier, for example, more effectively than perhaps otherwise establish its Big East brand. And it should do likewise for UC establishing its future Big 12 brand.

I agree that Cincinnati is not "100% Ohio." It's not Ohio at all. It's its own thing. It's Cincinnati.

However, Cincinnati is 100% Midwestern. Sure, some Appalachians have moved in over the years... but the same is true in Cleveland, Detroit, and even (to a lesser extent) Chicago.

The dominant ethnic group is German, much like Milwaukee and St. Louis. Although Cincinnati's dominant group of Germans was a generation earlier and more urban than those cities. One result of this earlier massive migration of German 48ers is that Cincinnatians are intensely egalitarian, even moreso than the rest of the Midwest.

Cincinnati's most dominant religions are Catholic and Methodist, not Baptist. Cincinnati manners are Midwestern, not Southern. Cincinnatians learn euchre, not spades. The spoken accent is Midland; Cincinnati is actually North of the pin=pen line, which places its accent as more Northern than either Indianapolis or Kansas City.

(04-10-2023 09:44 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 06:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 12:47 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-09-2023 10:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-08-2023 12:51 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Using your definition, what are the Big East cities - only Creighton, Providence & Hartford? Xavier is the second most popular college basketball team in Cincinnati & Butler is second most popular in Indianapolis with the benefit that IU & Purdue fans root for Butler when not playing them. Cincinnati & Indianapolis are absolutely Big East cities.

For the Big East, I would say the following are "Big East cities": Hartford, New York, Washington D.C., Milwaukee, Providence, Philadelphia and Omaha.

I strongly feel Indianapolis is much more so a Big Ten city (due to IU and Purdue) than a Big East city. Those are two massive schools with lots of fans (far more than Butler). Similarly Cincinnati is much more a Big Ten city (and perhaps at some point a Big 12 city) than a Big East city. Ohio State and UC are so much larger and more influential than XU. And Cincinnati (the city) offers lots of Kentucky fans, too.

Worth noting: Neither Butler nor Xavier has a long-standing Big East history (both have been BE members a mere 10 years).

As a DePaul follower, I would like to be able to say Chicago is a Big East city. But it clearly is not. The Big Ten is much more influential in the Windy City than is the BE.

And, again, the only "Big East state" is Connecticut.

There really aren’t many Ohio State basketball fans in Cincinnati. The people that root for OSU FB here root for another school for hoops. Paul Daugherty, who wrote a sports column in town for 30 years here, wrote about a few times. With UC, XU, UD, Louisville and UK around OSU hoops is just not attractive as a product- even for people who might like their FB program.

I seem to recall you one posted a link to a Paul Daughtery piece regarding this topic. It does, in fact, seem that the city of Cincinnati is more a "Big East men's basketball city" than it is a "Big Ten (or SEC) men's basketball city." It clearly was not an "AAC city." Now with UC headed to the Big 12 and joining West Virginia, I could see the Queen City becoming a "Big 12 city" much like Louisville has become an "ACC city" as much, if not more so, than an "SEC city."

As to the type "college sports league city" Cincinnati is in a general sense, I would assume there are more Ohio State fans (football, basketball, the school in general, etc.) living in the general Cincinnati area than there are Xavier fans. Thus I view the city as more a "Big Ten in general city" than I do it a "Big East city." I could be wrong.

As we've noted before, Cincinnati (as a city that borders Kentucky and Ohio and is very near Indiana) is neither "fully Ohio" nor "fully the North/Midwest." It's a hybrid city of sorts. And I actually feel that's a positive thing. That location and "feel" has helped Xavier, for example, more effectively than perhaps otherwise establish its Big East brand. And it should do likewise for UC establishing its future Big 12 brand.

I agree that Cincinnati is not "100% Ohio." It's not Ohio at all. It's its own thing. It's Cincinnati.

However, Cincinnati is 100% Midwestern. Sure, some Appalachians have moved in over the years... but the same is true in Cleveland, Detroit, and even (to a lesser extent) Chicago.

The dominant ethnic group is German, much like Milwaukee and St. Louis. Although Cincinnati's dominant group of Germans was a generation earlier and more urban than those cities. One result of this earlier massive migration of German 48ers is that Cincinnatians are intensely egalitarian, even moreso than the rest of the Midwest.

Cincinnati's most dominant religions are Catholic and Methodist, not Baptist. Cincinnati manners are Midwestern, not Southern. Cincinnatians learn euchre, not spades. The spoken accent is Midland; Cincinnati is actually North of the pin=pen line, which places its accent as more Northern than either Indianapolis or Kansas City.

All fair and interesting points.

I've always seen Cincinnati as having a slight bit of a Southern flavor, which the other major Ohio cities have none of. Not as much as the Southern feel Louisville offers, of course. But there nonetheless. And the climate is a bit more humid than what is found in, say, Indianapolis.

My brother (born and raised in Nashville) attended both Indiana University and UC. He always said that the city of Cincinnati offered a subtle touch of Southern feel, whereas Bloomington, Indiana, did not even remotely.

I'm sure there is some subjectivity involved.

On a related theme, Nashville is nowhere near as Southern as it was when I left in the 1980s. We are starting to mimic, to an extent, Atlanta in that respect. Dramatic change in Nashville has yielded a much different feel to the citizenry. Now in terms of climate — we remain VERY Southern.

I think OVC looking at UIndy might have played into this. Uindy is in one of the top tv markets for men's basketball. UINdy is a very strong men's basketball down at D2.