(03-31-2023 09:17 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  that's okay ... they'll mail in your dem '24 vote for ya...

If he is the Republican candidate I'll vote libertarian again...

And you will continue to struggle under an oppressive administration which will become increasingly authoritarian.

(03-31-2023 10:27 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:17 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  that's okay ... they'll mail in your dem '24 vote for ya...

If he is the Republican candidate I'll vote libertarian again...

so you will vote for the loser, someone that has no change of winning and feel smugly intelligent as a democrat will continue to destroy the country.

worse than prog filth to be honest.

I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

(03-31-2023 10:33 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 10:27 AM)shere khan Wrote:  so you will vote for the loser, someone that has no change of winning and feel smugly intelligent as a democrat will continue to destroy the country.

worse than prog filth to be honest.

I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth

You got it. And I'll feel good about myself that I didn't vote for the lesser of two evils... that is why our country has gotten to this point. If we all started doing it we'd force both parties to give a decent candidate, not the idiots that have been in office for a long time.

The naivety(arrogance?) of libertarians never ceases to amaze me. It's ironic that the closest thing to a libertarian we ever got into the WH came in the form of DJT.

No matter what happens you always hedge your bets so you can smugly be "right" and above the fray.

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(03-31-2023 10:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:15 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  With the indictment of former President Trump, America is officially dead. The liberals and Democrats won. The conservatives, Christians and Republicans lost. Say goodbye to the Constitution and say hello to the NWO.

While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

Yeah, that's a ridiculous take. America was basically founded on no one being above the law. And we apparently already carved out an exception to this for currently serving presidents.

What the OP seems to be suggesting is that no former elected official should be able to be charged for suspected crimes by anyone who happens to be from another political party. Talk about killing America, that would be ridiculous.

In America we do not investigate people----we investigate crimes. What we have now is literally prosecutors running on the platform of investigating political enemies until they can find something to craft a case around---even if it requires a novel interpretation of the law to create a charge. That is a very different version of "nobody is above the law". This is clearly the weaponization of the law to eliminate political opponents with the goal of creating a totalitarian single party state---and trust me when I say this----Democrats will rue the day they normalize this banana Republic behavior. Its basically the same as having a Highway Patrolman assigned to follow your car everywhere you go---but only you and nobody else (not because you have committed crimes, but simply because you are conservative). Even if you perfectly obey every traffic law, eventually your left rear brake light will burn out and you will be in violation of the law. As the head of Stalin's secret police once famously boasted, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime".

Spot on. This latest crap with Trump and the SDNY is nothing more than political theater designed to incite the dem party base, who've had a steady diet of OMB for the last 7 years, into a seething frothing mass come 2024. That it got this far is proof positive that the left feels it can - and now it obviously can - operate with complete impunity in manipulating the law to produce a desired outcome, in this case effecting a political opponent. They've set the stage so that every person in this country can be treated similarly, most without the resources of a Donald Trump to defend themselves.

(03-31-2023 11:46 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:35 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:31 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  In no way have I ever underestimated DJT. He represents a grass roots blowback against traditional politics that is very appealing to a lot of people..myself included.

I was rooting for him... really was, but I got tired of the circus that was around him at all times. I honestly didn't think he had a chance against Hillary then was surprised when he was elected. The sheer number of people who clearly didn't want to admit to voting for him in 2016 showed me that they all were upset about his character but voted for the party over candidate. I really thought Gary Johnson would get enough votes that year to get the Libertarian candidate in 2020 into the debates. Can you imagine getting a real fiscal conservative on that debate state? Both parties would be scared of that message hitting the masses.

....and I was rooting for him as POTUS. Im just weary now of his toxicity. The GOP has potential candidates with similar policy views without that baggage that can win the WH and actually stay for 2 terms. The man could not beat Joe Biden. SMH. It would not even have been close if he had just let the smart people around him do their jobs and kept his big mouth shut. Now we have this moron in charge. I directly blame him and am not going to ever forgive him for it.

and all of the above is fair … however, if you guys can’t get past the fact the mail-it-inns make all that rhetorical/moot (regardless who the pubs nominate) ???? … yeah, I can’t help further prove the point…

nobody hopes I’m wrong more than thine…

edit: when MAGA becomes the enema, last chance chucky just left the bldg…

They would have treated any GOP candidate who won that election over their preordained queen the same damn way. By the time the left was done with them they would have been every bit hated by the left as Trump is. There was NO WAY they were going to let it happen again in 20...

(04-04-2023 08:54 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:46 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:35 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:31 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  In no way have I ever underestimated DJT. He represents a grass roots blowback against traditional politics that is very appealing to a lot of people..myself included.

I was rooting for him... really was, but I got tired of the circus that was around him at all times. I honestly didn't think he had a chance against Hillary then was surprised when he was elected. The sheer number of people who clearly didn't want to admit to voting for him in 2016 showed me that they all were upset about his character but voted for the party over candidate. I really thought Gary Johnson would get enough votes that year to get the Libertarian candidate in 2020 into the debates. Can you imagine getting a real fiscal conservative on that debate state? Both parties would be scared of that message hitting the masses.

....and I was rooting for him as POTUS. Im just weary now of his toxicity. The GOP has potential candidates with similar policy views without that baggage that can win the WH and actually stay for 2 terms. The man could not beat Joe Biden. SMH. It would not even have been close if he had just let the smart people around him do their jobs and kept his big mouth shut. Now we have this moron in charge. I directly blame him and am not going to ever forgive him for it.

and all of the above is fair … however, if you guys can’t get past the fact the mail-it-inns make all that rhetorical/moot (regardless who the pubs nominate) ???? … yeah, I can’t help further prove the point…

nobody hopes I’m wrong more than thine…

edit: when MAGA becomes the enema, last chance chucky just left the bldg…

They would have treated any GOP candidate who won that election over their preordained queen the same damn way. By the time the left was done with them they would have been every bit hated by the left as Trump is. There was NO WAY they were going to let it happen again in 20...

And 24 and every election there after.

(03-31-2023 02:16 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Andy, I don't know what has happened to you in your life for you to be such a pessimist. Your posts are so full of doom and gloom.

All is lost

America is dead

No Republican will ever win again

I get it. Things look grim for the country. As bad as they have ever looked, it seems.

The United States is a big country, and actually pretty sturdy. We have weathered big storms before, although I'll admit nothing of this magnitude in both scope and targeting.

What is happening is that the leftists and the deep state (the criminal syndicate) are using their favorite leftist political tools - Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, and the Cloward - Piven strategy. C/P tells them to "overwhelm the system" and that is why we are seeing assaults across a wide range of issues and topics all at the same time. This is supposed to cause the entire system to crash and burn.

Should we be prepared for further assaults on us the citizens? Absolutely.

Should we throw in the towel and give up? That's up to you.

There has been research that shows that it only takes 3% of the population and/or 8% of the adult population showing up in the streets to protest to cause a government to back down.

We know that the extremists causing this strife are NOT the majority in this country. Not even close. We also know that generally, conservatives or the right in general does not do street protests. Especially now, seeing what the leftists and deep state have done to those who showed up on Jan. 6th.

But there will come a time when the people have had it up to their eyeballs. If a few million show up in D.C. or even all over the country in their own states to protest, unarmed and peacefully, it may cause the extremists some alarm.

THAT is what they are afraid of - YOU, ME and our neighbors.

Americans are slow to anger and often even slower to act. But when we do decide it is time, those trying to steamroll us into submission will start to feel real fear.

8% of the adult population is all it takes. Things are bad, but all is not lost. It may take decades to return to something resembling what this country was and perhaps it won't ever return. But wetting the bed over your anger and fear does nothing for us and the country.

We must fight this takeover. Don't give up hope. Hope is not a strategy but those with no hope will not prevail.

As to the part in bold above, I've mentioned CP before and people read right past it. I assume they are either unaware of the strategy or they choose to ignore that it's going on under their very noses right now.

(03-31-2023 07:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 07:30 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 12:05 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 11:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  Fo, I can only hope I’m wrong…

Hell...I don't know what is going to happen. My guess? Trump will win the nomination and lose again. He probably will lose voters over Jan 6, this stuff now and what is coming in other investigations. Those lost votes[/i] will seal his defeat again given the Democrats machine to win urban voters.

My guess? Trump fizzles before the primaries start.

He is riding a crest of emotion right now - - as he should: the indictment is an absolute abomination.

But it is an abomination more for our nation than it is for Donald Trump. He is most likely enjoying this. And he is taking us all for dupes. He gets to behave like a sleazy p.o.s., one that repeatedly exposes himself to leftist attacks, and then insist that the right all join forces to treat him as if he is some sort of champion.

Trump gets the front-page attention he so desperately craves for the next several weeks. But I don't believe that it will not last out the spring.

And I believe (and pray) that when it really matters it will be a candidate that actually cares about the best interests of our nation who gets the GOP nod. There are plenty of good options who fit that role. Trump is not one of them. He, hopefully, will just be a sorry political memory by the start of the real 2024 season.

and..... look at the staggering amount of moolah that is flying to his campaign presently. Much of it used by him as a lifestyle piggy bank, and another crapload to all the attorneys.

I feel sorry for the chumps that think they are donating to a campaign but are really only funding the metric ton of legal fees he has going out.....

I'm confused, are we talking about the Clintons, Bidens or Donald Trump?

You can pin those same attacks on any powerful entity in Washington, its rather absurd to pretend its a Trump thing.

In fact thee are mountains more evidence of corruption in the Clinton and Biden families inside Washington than Trump. 2 of those families are life long insiders married to permanent Washington and its corruption, the other is hated and despised by permanent Washington.

Dude, you're blowing their narrative...

(04-04-2023 08:39 AM)b2b Wrote:  The naivety(arrogance?) of libertarians never ceases to amaze me. It's ironic that the closest thing to a libertarian we ever got into the WH came in the form of DJT.

No matter what happens you always hedge your bets so you can smugly be "right" and above the fray.

Please explain to me since I'm so naïve. How was he a libertarian?

The Dems won. Seeing a lot of R's turning on Trump (friends & family). I guess if you're a D & throw a tantrum long enough & lie lie lie while doing it you get what you want. Silly they think Generic R has a chance in 2024.

Rush: "They want to tie it to you. You came first before Trump."

Anyone who thinks DeSantis & his voters won't be described as a Nazi, women-hater, facist, racist, buffoon, etc. is naive AF. If they can do it to Trump, they'll do it to DeSantis & maybe you someday. Sorry. Period.

(03-31-2023 09:00 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

He fights for us. King David committed adultery & murdered a bunch of people as well in response to it; the Bible is full of figures that made mistakes & describes their mistakes as sinful, but God still uses them anyways. It's that simple.

He fights for himself.

(04-04-2023 11:43 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:00 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:50 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  While I understand it's very easy to get down at times over things...I don't believe this one iota.

QFT.

First off, I don't believe he'll ever be found guilty of a felony on this. It's all bluster.

Second off, the Georgia trial looks like his biggest chance of anything significant happening.

At the end of the day, the political pendulum will swing back wildly. The more the democrats do to disenfranchise voters, the more people who will switch sides. But they need a candidate they can believe in. DJT has so much baggage that he isn't the person.

Personally I wish the Republicans would stop pushing people who have so many skeletons in their closet that they make it easy for the Democrats. Trump probably had/has more skeletons than any candidate in presidential history. And how any moral and/or religious person can vote for a man with zero morals is beyond me... he is an adulterer and a liar at minimum, and quite likely much worse.

But then again, anyone who actually wants to be President is probably mentally deranged anyway.

He fights for us. King David committed adultery & murdered a bunch of people as well in response to it; the Bible is full of figures that made mistakes & describes their mistakes as sinful, but God still uses them anyways. It's that simple.

He fights for himself.

I'm sure a lot of David's enemies said the same thing

Sorry about resurrecting this thread.

Saw an exceptional movie a few nights ago, and thought it was superb.

The movie is a 'horror' movie, but really ingrained with a huge amount of political messaging, and a very implied religious right message. (In all honesty, I am agnostic, but I did not begrudge the messaging in the movie.)

The movie was called "Nefarious".

A client of mine recently produced a movie having the star of Nefarious in it, and urged me to watch it just to see the performance.

The main role is played by Sean Patrick Flanery ("Boondock Saints"), and the performance was absolutely riveting. And, the context and subtext of the movie was really well done.

The subtext mirrors some of the discussion in here (who would have thought a film about demonic possession would have done that).

Enjoy --

Pass….

(03-31-2023 09:17 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  that's okay ... they'll mail in your dem '24 vote for ya...

If he is the Republican candidate I'll vote libertarian again...

I'll take futile symbolic gesture for 1000...

(07-13-2023 07:11 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:17 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  that's okay ... they'll mail in your dem '24 vote for ya...

If he is the Republican candidate I'll vote libertarian again...

I'll take futile symbolic gesture for 1000...

XACLY! ... why waste the time, Ja?!

#excerciseInFutility

(04-04-2023 08:32 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:17 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  that's okay ... they'll mail in your dem '24 vote for ya...

If he is the Republican candidate I'll vote libertarian again...

And you will continue to struggle under an oppressive administration which will become increasingly authoritarian.

When you don't vote for the lesser of two evils you deserve the greater evil you get.

I'm a small l libertarian. When the party actually nominates someone who isn't a complete goober I'll consider them.

(07-13-2023 10:01 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 08:32 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:17 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  that's okay ... they'll mail in your dem '24 vote for ya...

If he is the Republican candidate I'll vote libertarian again...

And you will continue to struggle under an oppressive administration which will become increasingly authoritarian.

When you don't vote for the lesser of two evils you deserve the greater evil you get.

I'm a small l libertarian. When the party actually nominates someone who isn't a complete goober I'll consider them.

in a two party system, why leave the house when ya have a farm to tend …

(04-04-2023 11:06 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 08:39 AM)b2b Wrote:  The naivety(arrogance?) of libertarians never ceases to amaze me. It's ironic that the closest thing to a libertarian we ever got into the WH came in the form of DJT.

No matter what happens you always hedge your bets so you can smugly be "right" and above the fray.

Please explain to me since I'm so naïve. How was he a libertarian?

The "closest thing". He wasn't a Republican. He wasn't a Democrat. He wasn't anti gay. He didn't want endless war and he was pro border. Like I said he was the closest thing to a Libertarian that will ever get anywhere close to living in the White House. Y'all are just too "smart" to accept it.

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(07-13-2023 10:01 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-04-2023 08:32 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:17 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-31-2023 09:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  that's okay ... they'll mail in your dem '24 vote for ya...

If he is the Republican candidate I'll vote libertarian again...

And you will continue to struggle under an oppressive administration which will become increasingly authoritarian.

When you don't vote for the lesser of two evils you deserve the greater evil you get.

I'm a small l libertarian. When the party actually nominates someone who isn't a complete goober I'll consider them.

But the nominating convention of the big L Libertarian party is always an absolute entertainment blockbuster due to the freak show that it seemingly has become a light for the freak show moths.

I wouldnt miss a live one for all the tea in China just to get some laughs.

The best was when one of the candidates stripped buck naked on stage. You literally cannot make these conventions up in fiction.