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(02-07-2024 08:39 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  There are many talented players in FCS killing it and stacking FBS offers, and there’s some of the guys Kenni has been signing. With the portal being what it is, even if there’s a couple guys that shine they’ll be gone ASAP because they don’t want to be buried in a program that will find Ws far and few between.

Especially if the NCAA makes the current one-year moratorium on having to sit out a year permanent.

(02-07-2024 08:46 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 08:39 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  There are many talented players in FCS killing it and stacking FBS offers, and there’s some of the guys Kenni has been signing. With the portal being what it is, even if there’s a couple guys that shine they’ll be gone ASAP because they don’t want to be buried in a program that will find Ws far and few between.

Especially if the NCAA makes the current one-year moratorium on having to sit out a year permanent.

I don’t think the NCAA will have a thing to do about it. The courts will and they’ll back the players no doubt. Besides the Big 10 and SEC formed a committee to come up with reasonable NIL and transfer portal rules. The NCAA if it exists at all will become a D2 and D3 tournament organizer for all sports. They might take care of D1 sports too but only the ones ESPN are not interested in.

Reasonable NIL rules are a must when you have a “student-athlete” buying a Lamborghini.

(02-07-2024 09:41 PM)burden Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 08:46 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 08:39 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  There are many talented players in FCS killing it and stacking FBS offers, and there’s some of the guys Kenni has been signing. With the portal being what it is, even if there’s a couple guys that shine they’ll be gone ASAP because they don’t want to be buried in a program that will find Ws far and few between.

Especially if the NCAA makes the current one-year moratorium on having to sit out a year permanent.

I don’t think the NCAA will have a thing to do about it. The courts will and they’ll back the players no doubt. Besides the Big 10 and SEC formed a committee to come up with reasonable NIL and transfer portal rules. The NCAA if it exists at all will become a D2 and D3 tournament organizer for all sports. They might take care of D1 sports too but only the ones ESPN are not interested in.

The NCAA has been losing power as the governing board for the last 40 years. Courts and legislative bodies have been stripping them of power. I just saw the other day where some court ruled that the players at some school can form a union. Eventually the "big" schools will either form their own body and leave the NCAA or stay in the NCAA but be allowed to self-govern. That gap between the "big" programs and the mid-majors, and lower, is greater than ever. Heck, the gap between the premier programs and the rest of the "majors" is greater than ever.

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 09:41 PM)burden Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 08:46 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 08:39 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  There are many talented players in FCS killing it and stacking FBS offers, and there’s some of the guys Kenni has been signing. With the portal being what it is, even if there’s a couple guys that shine they’ll be gone ASAP because they don’t want to be buried in a program that will find Ws far and few between.

Especially if the NCAA makes the current one-year moratorium on having to sit out a year permanent.

I don’t think the NCAA will have a thing to do about it. The courts will and they’ll back the players no doubt. Besides the Big 10 and SEC formed a committee to come up with reasonable NIL and transfer portal rules. The NCAA if it exists at all will become a D2 and D3 tournament organizer for all sports. They might take care of D1 sports too but only the ones ESPN are not interested in.

The NCAA has been losing power as the governing board for the last 40 years. Courts and legislative bodies have been stripping them of power. I just saw the other day where some court ruled that the players at some school can form a union. Eventually the "big" schools will either form their own body and leave the NCAA or stay in the NCAA but be allowed to self-govern. That gap between the "big" programs and the mid-majors, and lower, is greater than ever. Heck, the gap between the premier programs and the rest of the "majors" is greater than ever.

https://apnews.com/article/ncaa-baker-ni...167026dbe6

Polish Hammer, some have been calling for that at least since the late 1980s, but in the last few years the drumbeat has gotten louder and louder. There are actually studies underway. You can bet, though, that if what is now FBS (formerly known as I-A) is split, there will be schools who want in the top division that have no business being there. The article, of course, refers to "covering all sports". Interestingly, all such talk the last few reasons, and the movement of schools to different conferences, has been all about football. Clearly, college basketball is the red-headed stepchild, and always has been. People get all excited about "The Dance" In March, but other than that the interest in college basketball is nowhere near college football. There are very few schools that have football in which basketball is more popular, or even as popular. I've always wondered what college basketball coaches have thought about all the conference-shifting.

(02-07-2024 09:54 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Reasonable NIL rules are a must when you have a “student-athlete” buying a Lamborghini.

So sad - when other scholarship kids end up with loans to pay back.

(02-08-2024 03:18 PM)OLNWFLSH Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 09:54 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Reasonable NIL rules are a must when you have a “student-athlete” buying a Lamborghini.

So sad - when other scholarship kids end up with loans to pay back.

There are many things about college sports that are sad. I often ask myself why I still care at all. Really, though, I watch very little, other than Kent State. Certainly less than at any time since I was a little kid.

(02-08-2024 07:54 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 09:41 PM)burden Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 08:46 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  

(02-07-2024 08:39 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  There are many talented players in FCS killing it and stacking FBS offers, and there’s some of the guys Kenni has been signing. With the portal being what it is, even if there’s a couple guys that shine they’ll be gone ASAP because they don’t want to be buried in a program that will find Ws far and few between.

Especially if the NCAA makes the current one-year moratorium on having to sit out a year permanent.

I don’t think the NCAA will have a thing to do about it. The courts will and they’ll back the players no doubt. Besides the Big 10 and SEC formed a committee to come up with reasonable NIL and transfer portal rules. The NCAA if it exists at all will become a D2 and D3 tournament organizer for all sports. They might take care of D1 sports too but only the ones ESPN are not interested in.

The NCAA has been losing power as the governing board for the last 40 years. Courts and legislative bodies have been stripping them of power. I just saw the other day where some court ruled that the players at some school can form a union. Eventually the "big" schools will either form their own body and leave the NCAA or stay in the NCAA but be allowed to self-govern. That gap between the "big" programs and the mid-majors, and lower, is greater than ever. Heck, the gap between the premier programs and the rest of the "majors" is greater than ever.

Has anybody been listening to ESPN lately. They are pushing women’s basketball so hard that they now criticize men’s basketball continuously. Players don’t stick around, total free agency etc etc. you know all the things they use to push because the players were being treated unfairly. I actually heard someone say players shouldn’t have total freedom to transfer just because coaches do. Someone actually dared to suggest that coaches were adults with families and a career. What a concept!! What they don’t realize is the women will be doing all the same things pretty soon. Watch college gymnastics on Friday. Half the Olympic teams in the world are represented in just the SEC. And I wonder why Kent can’t make the NCAA’s.

Always seemed to me that basketball dealt with fluctuating rosters on a yearly basis years ago, long before the new portal age. Kids would transfer from prep program to prep program, different AAU programs, and then bounce around between NCAA and JUCO. The old adage that a kid should be granted free agency because a coach left to me is weak. I get it, despite being told numerous times in recruiting to choose a school for the school, they choose the coaches instead. But, coaches are in for a career, moving around is part of the profession, players are supposed to chose their one school and possibly transfer, but now we're seeing kids playing at 2-4 different NCAA programs.

Last place BY FAR in the MAC for recruiting per multiple sources. I guess his mantra of "developing men" is not resonating with recruits.

(02-13-2024 08:48 AM)KSUforever Wrote:  Last place BY FAR in the MAC for recruiting per multiple sources. I guess his mantra of "developing men" is not resonating with recruits.

5th in Rivals Comprehensive Rankings. 4th in HS/JUCO and 2nd in Transfer Rankings. Feel free to use whatever site, but Rivals is the only one with all signings and commitments in the system for all MAC schools.

By no means am I defending Burns recruiting because there are a few head scratchers, but I think this class is very similar to last year’s where it’s top heavy.

(02-13-2024 09:10 AM)CoachPMac Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 08:48 AM)KSUforever Wrote:  Last place BY FAR in the MAC for recruiting per multiple sources. I guess his mantra of "developing men" is not resonating with recruits.

5th in Rivals Comprehensive Rankings. 4th in HS/JUCO and 2nd in Transfer Rankings. Feel free to use whatever site, but Rivals is the only one with all signings and commitments in the system for all MAC schools.

By no means am I defending Burns recruiting because there are a few head scratchers, but I think this class is very similar to last year’s where it’s top heavy.

Certainly are a few guys that can step in and produce, which means they'll be out the door to the portal as soon as they build that resume. But it also seems to me that there are quite a few guys that would be PWOs anywhere else. I've seen better PWOs' at other programs than some of our scholarship recruits and I've seen better recruiting being done at FCS programs. Two full recruiting cycles into the new regime and our program was set back to zero. With this collection of talent we might be able to double our win total from last season.

PS: Those Rivals rankings are based on total points, so the more recruits the higher the total. Based on average stars, which to me is a far better measure of the quality of player as opposed to the quantity, we are next to last and ahead of only BallsTate for prep recruits. Regarding transfer recruits we're only ahead of CMU, BallsTate, Buffalo, and NIU. Comprehensive rankings we are ahead of CMU, Buffalo, BallsTate and NIU.