(03-14-2023 02:44 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 02:09 PM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:Tarleton State have not one D1 conference title at any sport, they have not won a D1 post season game nor have the budget even close to EKU let alone KSU. Hell KSU's budget is twice Tarleton's. "Potential" facility improvements don't mean you will be a good fit. Tarleton have alot of growing to do before they think about moving to C-USA. They will be the worst team overall in this conference and that is not what we need.

Fair points. I'd probably walk back the KSU part of what I said, but I think it's also fair to point out that these seem to be more than potential. These are scheduled things...which is why I put them ahead of us. I also think with their system connection they have the ability to ramp up the budget as needed, but I could be wrong.

My main issue with Tarleton is that they're going to be handed an FBS invite simply by getting daddy's money to build all this stuff despite not really earning anything by having a fanbase, athletic success, or self funded facilities.

Tbh their football stuff isnt even that nice, very patched together. The baseball/softball stuff is a huge improvement over what they had but nothing outstanding. That basketball rendering looks amazing though.

That too but you did say that GSU had more potential then KSU when GSU was Tarleton state of the SBC when they join. GSU bought themselves into the FBS and they have not achieve anything outside of basketball. KSU have been to the regionals twice and won a regional in baseball and advance to the super regional since GSU won the CAA in baseball in 2009.

Potential or not GSU has already been FBS for a decade and been relatively successful. Way to bring up something completely unrelated.

(03-14-2023 03:51 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 03:33 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  IMO jones682 is another poster (along with a few others new to C-USA) that does not understand the recent history in C-USA. And the realities.

TEXAS has a LOT of political power in this league!

You can complain (we have for YEARS).

You can bring up logic and facts.

You can even threaten to leave (ODU and Marshall did finally).

There are really only two choices.

1)-learn to live with it and continue to discuss (so it won't get worse)

2)- Go to another FBS conf. at the first opportunity


Now, YELL some more about it---won't help--but might make you feel better.

KSU OWLS better get used to a LOT of trips WEST of the MISSISSIPPI.

I understand that, I just don't agree with it. TU will not help us. SFA is ok, EKU, Mo St are good adds.

Your protest has been "noted" and deposited in file 13 at the conference office in Dallas.

(03-14-2023 04:23 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 03:51 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 03:33 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  IMO jones682 is another poster (along with a few others new to C-USA) that does not understand the recent history in C-USA. And the realities.

TEXAS has a LOT of political power in this league!

You can complain (we have for YEARS).

You can bring up logic and facts.

You can even threaten to leave (ODU and Marshall did finally).

There are really only two choices.

1)-learn to live with it and continue to discuss (so it won't get worse)

2)- Go to another FBS conf. at the first opportunity


Now, YELL some more about it---won't help--but might make you feel better.

KSU OWLS better get used to a LOT of trips WEST of the MISSISSIPPI.

I understand that, I just don't agree with it. TU will not help us. SFA is ok, EKU, Mo St are good adds.

Your protest has been "noted" and deposited in file 13 at the conference office in Dallas.

I know that decisions from the commissioner’s office in the past have not been popular at all. And understandably so. Didn’t know who Judy was until Liberty joined the conference. But after becoming aquatinted with her, I’ve wondered how in the world she got the job to begin with. How does someone who seems so unqualified have so much power? Why haven’t the school presidents replaced her? Schools who haven’t already left want to do the same. Why is she still the commissioner when it seems nobody likes her? Doesn’t she work for the conference and not the other way around. Really interested on the thoughts of those who’ve been here awhile.

He, Ha--- the previous post has been repeated over and over-- for years. It is a mystery of life.

(03-14-2023 07:18 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  He, Ha--- the previous post has been repeated over and over-- for years. It is a mystery of life.

Would you agree that it would seem the school administrations are the ones who have created the mess and the ones who could fix it?

Sure-- I agree. Get the Liberty brass to throw a fit--- maybe it would help. The rest of us have nearly given up.

#Stop TEXAS

(03-14-2023 04:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Potential or not GSU has already been FBS for a decade and been relatively successful. Way to bring up something completely unrelated.

GSU has not been successful. You call only having 4 winning seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call going 7-5 for 4 seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call not even coming close to winning the conference over 11 seasons "relatively" successful? Do you know anything about GSU football history or recored? Lets let SHSU go 11 season and not have one 10 win season and lets see if you call SHSU "relatively" successful.

The complaints about Texas are hilarious. It's as if schools in CUSA but not located in Texas never attended meetings, never had a say in anything. Who do you think Judy works for? Good grief. Oh and by the way, the Texas schools, even when there were 4, have always been outnumbered by non-Texas schools.

(03-14-2023 09:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 04:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Potential or not GSU has already been FBS for a decade and been relatively successful. Way to bring up something completely unrelated.

GSU has not been successful. You call only having 4 winning seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call going 7-5 for 4 seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call not even coming close to winning the conference over 11 seasons "relatively" successful? Do you know anything about GSU football history or recored? Lets let SHSU go 11 season and not have one 10 win season and lets see if you call SHSU "relatively" successful.

I call winning bowl games, knocking off a huge SEC team, and winning a NCAA tourney upset successful. A lot of G5s would love to do those things and no matter how much you want to put your finger in your ears and scream the same things over and over again those bowl wins alone brought GSU way more notoriety than anything KSU did in the FCS, an entity that might as well not exist to the common fan. Not to mention the other stuff....

For the record, I am not sure Liberty would be outside of any Texan coalition in spite of a distant location. One of the most appealing aspects of joining this league was access to Texas for a school that values not only recruiting athletes but also students from the Lone Star State. Being in a league with teams in Tennessee, Georgia, Florida and Texas is right in the sweet spot for attracting potential students in the Bible Belt. It is also why we tried so hard to get into the Belt when we were Independent. We operate with different objectives than most schools.

That said, just say no to Tarleton & SFA. Breaking into the West Texas and East Texas markets is not high on our priority list.

Tarleton isn't exactly west Texas but I'd like to think SHSU /La Tech has the eastern part covered.

Anything west of Fort Worth is West Texas in my book.

(03-15-2023 09:21 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 09:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 04:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Potential or not GSU has already been FBS for a decade and been relatively successful. Way to bring up something completely unrelated.

GSU has not been successful. You call only having 4 winning seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call going 7-5 for 4 seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call not even coming close to winning the conference over 11 seasons "relatively" successful? Do you know anything about GSU football history or recored? Lets let SHSU go 11 season and not have one 10 win season and lets see if you call SHSU "relatively" successful.

I call winning bowl games, knocking off a huge SEC team, and winning a NCAA tourney upset successful. A lot of G5s would love to do those things and no matter how much you want to put your finger in your ears and scream the same things over and over again those bowl wins alone brought GSU way more notoriety than anything KSU did in the FCS, an entity that might as well not exist to the common fan. Not to mention the other stuff....

Bro they had 11 losing seasons out of 14. They had one win over a bad SEC team at the time. Bowl games don't mean anything anymore because it only take 6 wins to get to them. That is the reason why people don't like bowl games and people say there are too many bowl games. There best season is 7-5. GSU only won a total of 6 FCS games over the 3 years they were in the FCS.

You are comparing the best start up program to one of the worst start up programs. Just Stop. Out side of basketball GSU is not good at sports. What do you have against KSU? You have been bashing then since that it was announced that they are joining C-USA. What is your problem?

ACU won a upset against Texas in the NCAA tourney

(03-15-2023 04:13 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 09:21 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 09:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 04:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Potential or not GSU has already been FBS for a decade and been relatively successful. Way to bring up something completely unrelated.

GSU has not been successful. You call only having 4 winning seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call going 7-5 for 4 seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call not even coming close to winning the conference over 11 seasons "relatively" successful? Do you know anything about GSU football history or recored? Lets let SHSU go 11 season and not have one 10 win season and lets see if you call SHSU "relatively" successful.

I call winning bowl games, knocking off a huge SEC team, and winning a NCAA tourney upset successful. A lot of G5s would love to do those things and no matter how much you want to put your finger in your ears and scream the same things over and over again those bowl wins alone brought GSU way more notoriety than anything KSU did in the FCS, an entity that might as well not exist to the common fan. Not to mention the other stuff....

Bro they had 11 losing seasons out of 14. They had one win over a bad SEC team at the time. Bowl games don't mean anything anymore because it only take 6 wins to get to them. That is the reason why people don't like bowl games and people say there are too many bowl games. There best season is 7-5. GSU only won a total of 6 FCS games over the 3 years they were in the FCS.

You are comparing the best start up program to one of the worst start up programs. Just Stop. Out side of basketball GSU is not good at sports. What do you have against KSU? You have been bashing then since that it was announced that they are joining C-USA. What is your problem?

ACU won a upset against Texas in the NCAA tourney

If you're going to say that bowl games are meaningless(I mostly agree) you cannot beat your chest about FCS success. KSU is not the best anything program because they haven't played a snap of FBS ball and unless you win national title, FCS success is meaningless and titles don't mean much to anyone outside of FCS if we're being honest.

(03-15-2023 06:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 04:13 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 09:21 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 09:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 04:10 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Potential or not GSU has already been FBS for a decade and been relatively successful. Way to bring up something completely unrelated.

GSU has not been successful. You call only having 4 winning seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call going 7-5 for 4 seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call not even coming close to winning the conference over 11 seasons "relatively" successful? Do you know anything about GSU football history or recored? Lets let SHSU go 11 season and not have one 10 win season and lets see if you call SHSU "relatively" successful.

I call winning bowl games, knocking off a huge SEC team, and winning a NCAA tourney upset successful. A lot of G5s would love to do those things and no matter how much you want to put your finger in your ears and scream the same things over and over again those bowl wins alone brought GSU way more notoriety than anything KSU did in the FCS, an entity that might as well not exist to the common fan. Not to mention the other stuff....

Bro they had 11 losing seasons out of 14. They had one win over a bad SEC team at the time. Bowl games don't mean anything anymore because it only take 6 wins to get to them. That is the reason why people don't like bowl games and people say there are too many bowl games. There best season is 7-5. GSU only won a total of 6 FCS games over the 3 years they were in the FCS.

You are comparing the best start up program to one of the worst start up programs. Just Stop. Out side of basketball GSU is not good at sports. What do you have against KSU? You have been bashing then since that it was announced that they are joining C-USA. What is your problem?

ACU won a upset against Texas in the NCAA tourney

If you're going to say that bowl games are meaningless(I mostly agree) you cannot beat your chest about FCS success. KSU is not the best anything program because they haven't played a snap of FBS ball and unless you win national title, FCS success is meaningless and titles don't mean much to anyone outside of FCS if we're being honest.

I am not beating my chest about FCS success. The whole point of this thread is to compare KSU potential to Georgia State when they moved up. Georgia State FCS career does not hold a candle to KSU FCS career. If you call only having 4 barely winning (7-5) Seasons out of 11 losing season successful, you are just disagreeing with me to disagree with me at this point. PERIOD

(03-15-2023 06:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  I am not beating my chest about FCS success. The whole point of this thread is to compare KSU potential to Georgia State when they moved up. Georgia State FCS career does not hold a candle to KSU FCS career. If you call only having 4 barely winning (7-5) Seasons out of 11 losing season successful, you are just disagreeing with me to disagree with me at this point. PERIOD

I never called Georgia State anything and I could not care less whose "FCS career" can hold a candle to whose, especially when we're talking about a decade total in the division between the two programs. What either program did at the FCS level is entirely irrelevant to anyone outside of those fan bases and to a lesser extent their FCS conference mates at the time they were in them.

Also jonesy that is not the point of this thread...

(03-15-2023 06:23 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 06:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 04:13 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 09:21 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 09:25 PM)jones682 Wrote:  GSU has not been successful. You call only having 4 winning seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call going 7-5 for 4 seasons out of 11 seasons successful? You call not even coming close to winning the conference over 11 seasons "relatively" successful? Do you know anything about GSU football history or recored? Lets let SHSU go 11 season and not have one 10 win season and lets see if you call SHSU "relatively" successful.

I call winning bowl games, knocking off a huge SEC team, and winning a NCAA tourney upset successful. A lot of G5s would love to do those things and no matter how much you want to put your finger in your ears and scream the same things over and over again those bowl wins alone brought GSU way more notoriety than anything KSU did in the FCS, an entity that might as well not exist to the common fan. Not to mention the other stuff....

Bro they had 11 losing seasons out of 14. They had one win over a bad SEC team at the time. Bowl games don't mean anything anymore because it only take 6 wins to get to them. That is the reason why people don't like bowl games and people say there are too many bowl games. There best season is 7-5. GSU only won a total of 6 FCS games over the 3 years they were in the FCS.

You are comparing the best start up program to one of the worst start up programs. Just Stop. Out side of basketball GSU is not good at sports. What do you have against KSU? You have been bashing then since that it was announced that they are joining C-USA. What is your problem?

ACU won a upset against Texas in the NCAA tourney

If you're going to say that bowl games are meaningless(I mostly agree) you cannot beat your chest about FCS success. KSU is not the best anything program because they haven't played a snap of FBS ball and unless you win national title, FCS success is meaningless and titles don't mean much to anyone outside of FCS if we're being honest.

I am not beating my chest about FCS success. The whole point of this thread is to compare KSU potential to Georgia State when they moved up. Georgia State FCS career does not hold a candle to KSU FCS career. If you call only having 4 barely winning (7-5) Seasons out of 11 losing season successful, you are just disagreeing with me to disagree with me at this point. PERIOD

That's a different thread over on the main CUSA board. The point of this thread was the rumor about CUSA visiting Tarleton State. No confirmation of that yet.

(03-13-2023 06:33 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Unless better options present themselves. The future adds are SFA and Tarleton.** Geography, rivalries, travel saving divisions. Fills out Western division for 12 team league.

Future survival of G5 DEPENDS on--- lower travel costs-which include hotels, meals, time out of class, trans. cost. Also is aided by natural rivalries which increase ticket sales, fan interest, and local media attention.

The above are reasons given by the continually Texas-centric conference.

Could be 2026 or later-- but IMHO is likely.

**OF COURSE any MAJOR national realignment upheavals would change everything.**

I agree with Tarleton and SFA, unless better options present themselves. The one thing that could change that is more realignment. If UTEP and NMS left, the conference could become more SE focused and the need for both Tarleton and SFA would be less.