With the win last night, UNCW secured the 3 or 4 spot in the CAA tournament and a first round bye. HUGE accomplishment if we are to have chance to win the tournament.

#1 Hofstra
#2 CofC
#3/#4 UNCW(11-4) - at Delaware, Stony Brook, Towson
Towson(10-5) A&T, at CofC, at UNCW
Drexel(9-7) at Hampton, Northeastern at home (Drexel has the tiebreaker)

#6 A&T(7-8) SHOULD be able to keep the #6 spot with three games left against Towson, Delaware and Hampton
#7 -#11 Stony Brook(6-9) Hofstra, at UNCW and at Charleston
Delaware(5-10) UNCW, at A&T and at Elon
W&M (5-10) at Northeastern, hosts Elon and Monmouth.
NU (5-10) hosts W&M, at Drexel, at Hofstra
Elon (5-10) Monmouth, W&M, Delaware
Monmouth(5-10) Elon, Hampton, W&M
#12/13 Hampton (3-12)

IF Drexel and A&T stay at #5 and #6, here is what the bracket looks like on the first full day,

#1 plays winner 8/9 seed (noon)
#4 plays Drexel/Towson v #12/#13 seed winner (2:30)
#2 plays 7/10 seed winner (6:00)
#3 plays A&T v 11 seed winner (8:30)

#4 seed will likely play against Drexel or Towson(if they win first round game) and #3 seed will play against A&T/ #11 seed. So the #3 seed has a far easier path to the semifinals.

#3 seed would also likely face Charleston and #4 seed would likley face Hofstra to get to the final. Not sure that matters, but getting the #3 seed matters a lot.

The final game against Towson at Trask could determine the #3 seed. If we beat Delaware and Stony Brook and Towson beats A&T but loses to CofC in Charleston, we will have clinched the #3 spot when Towson comes to Trask. CofC feels they are still playing for an at large bid, so even though they have secured at least a #2 seed in the conference, they aren't slacking off against Towson. They also don't play the Saturday before they play Towson Thursday so they should be well rested and prepared.

If we win our next 2 and Charleston or A&T beatTowson then we will have the 3 seed clinched win or lose vs Towson on senior night. If that doesn't happen then the game against Towson will be for the 3 seed.

(02-17-2023 07:33 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If we win our next 2 and Charleston or A&T beatTowson then we will have the 3 seed clinched win or lose vs Towson on senior night. If that doesn't happen then the game against Towson will be for the 3 seed.

Yep, the Delaware game tomorrow is huge. Win there and we come home against Stony Brook while Towson will play at Charleston, who is still looking for an at large bid. If we lose at Delaware our only chance at a 3 seed will be the final game against Towson.

(02-17-2023 07:45 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(02-17-2023 07:33 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If we win our next 2 and Charleston or A&T beatTowson then we will have the 3 seed clinched win or lose vs Towson on senior night. If that doesn't happen then the game against Towson will be for the 3 seed.

Yep, the Delaware game tomorrow is huge. Win there and we come home against Stony Brook while Towson will play at Charleston, who is still looking for an at large bid. If we lose at Delaware our only chance at a 3 seed will be the final game against Towson.

The elephant in the room here is being the 3 likely pits you against CoC in the Semis. Sorry, i want no part of that smoke.

To win in DC you're going to have to beat both Hofstra and Charleston.

4th seed will have to fight Drexel on Sunday while 3rd seed will get A&T.

I'd rather play A&T on Sunday than Drexel again.

(02-17-2023 09:09 AM)solohawks Wrote:  To win in DC you're going to have to beat both Hofstra and Charleston.

4th seed will have to fight Drexel on Sunday while 3rd seed will get A&T.

I'd rather play A&T on Sunday than Drexel again.

I'm not scared of Hofstra. I'd rather get to the title game and lose than get bounced in the semis. Also, if you get one of those two teams after they have to battle one another?

Honestly Drexel doesn't scare me, we couldn't have possibly have played worse yesterday and still managed to win at their place.

It was a very ugly and sometimes frustrating game last night. There are still things that have to be improved on. Some game planning has to change. The one good thing here is we uglied out a win against a team that was 11-2 at home, including a win against Charleston. We now have a top 4 seed and in a good place. Just need the team to come together like they did in the Bahamas, and against Jacksonville and A&T.

(02-17-2023 09:14 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-17-2023 09:09 AM)solohawks Wrote:  To win in DC you're going to have to beat both Hofstra and Charleston.

4th seed will have to fight Drexel on Sunday while 3rd seed will get A&T.

I'd rather play A&T on Sunday than Drexel again.

I'm not scared of Hofstra. I'd rather get to the title game and lose than get bounced in the semis. Also, if you get one of those two teams after they have to battle one another?

Honestly Drexel doesn't scare me, we couldn't have possibly have played worse yesterday and still managed to win at their place.

Not sure i follow. Hofstra and Charleston aren't going to meet until the finals

I can see the argument that Charleston is the better team and thus you want to avoid playing them longer. I myself just don't see much difference. Both are good and have trounced us. We have proven we can hang with Charleston if we play smart and they are not hitting those 3s.

(02-17-2023 09:24 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-17-2023 09:14 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-17-2023 09:09 AM)solohawks Wrote:  To win in DC you're going to have to beat both Hofstra and Charleston.

4th seed will have to fight Drexel on Sunday while 3rd seed will get A&T.

I'd rather play A&T on Sunday than Drexel again.

I'm not scared of Hofstra. I'd rather get to the title game and lose than get bounced in the semis. Also, if you get one of those two teams after they have to battle one another?

Honestly Drexel doesn't scare me, we couldn't have possibly have played worse yesterday and still managed to win at their place.

Not sure i follow. Hofstra and Charleston aren't going to meet until the finals

I can see the argument that Charleston is the better team and thus you want to avoid playing them longer. I myself just don't see much difference. Both are good and have trounced us. We have proven we can hang with Charleston if we play smart and they are not hitting those 3s.

I think we match up better with Hofstra than CoC, CoC beat us twice. We laid one 1/2 of an egg against Hofstra, we have laid 3 halves of eggs against CoC

(02-17-2023 09:36 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I think we match up better with Hofstra than CoC, CoC beat us twice. We laid one 1/2 of an egg against Hofstra, we have laid 3 halves of eggs against CoC

I get the idea that we'd rather play "X" rather than "Y in a hypothetical semi final game. But either way, if you want to be a champion, you have to beat both X and Y. If you can't you go home. The only question would be if you'd rather it be later than sooner.

Yesterday was the first win we have had over a CAA team with a winning record. The idea of prospectively losing to Towson in the regular season, then trying to game-out the relative merits of being a 3 or 4 seed doesn't make much sense to me.

I don't think Charleston has a chance at an at-large bid, but they are playing for the regular season title. If Charleston wins the regular season and tournament, the CAA will not get a team in the NIT. Hofstra would be invited to the CIT or CBI. If Hofstra wins the regular season title, they will win tournament with Charleston going to the NIT, or Hofstra will get an NIT automatic bid for regular season champions that do not make the NCAA.

I wonder if a team has ever clinched the 1 seed on a day they did not play on. That will happen if Hofstra wins at Stony Brook tomorrow while Charleston has off, and Charleston loses hosting Towson on Thursday while Hofstra has off.

(02-17-2023 10:15 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(02-17-2023 09:36 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I think we match up better with Hofstra than CoC, CoC beat us twice. We laid one 1/2 of an egg against Hofstra, we have laid 3 halves of eggs against CoC

I get the idea that we'd rather play "X" rather than "Y in a hypothetical semi final game. But either way, if you want to be a champion, you have to beat both X and Y. If you can't you go home. The only question would be if you'd rather it be later than sooner.

Yesterday was the first win we have had over a CAA team with a winning record. The idea of prospectively losing to Towson in the regular season, then trying to game-out the relative merits of being a 3 or 4 seed doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not suggesting in any way we lose intentionally. Just simply stating i'd rather not play CoC until title game whatever that looks like.

(02-17-2023 12:55 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I'm not suggesting in any way we lose intentionally. Just simply stating i'd rather not play CoC until title game whatever that looks like.I gainst Hofstra, we have laid 3 halves of eggs against CoC

Fair enough. I guess my point is that I will think about that more once we show that we can beat/have beaten any of the other top four teams, which as of yet we haven't done.

Our team showed character by not folding while down on the road against Drexel, but if Drexel's big man had not been hurt and Nick Farrar hadn't lit it up we would still be winless against CAA teams with winning records. Let's win our remaining games - including Towson - and then consider the ramifications of seeding.

(02-17-2023 04:57 PM)70shawk Wrote:  

(02-17-2023 12:55 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I'm not suggesting in any way we lose intentionally. Just simply stating i'd rather not play CoC until title game whatever that looks like.I gainst Hofstra, we have laid 3 halves of eggs against CoC

Fair enough. I guess my point is that I will think about that more once we show that we can beat/have beaten any of the other top four teams, which as of yet we haven't done.

Our team showed character by not folding while down on the road against Drexel, but if Drexel's big man had not been hurt and Nick Farrar hadn't lit it up we would still be winless against CAA teams with winning records. Let's win our remaining games - including Towson - and then consider the ramifications of seeding.

To be fair, we can only beat the teams we play. We lost to CofC twice and Hofstra once. We finally played Drexel, but we still have yet to play Delaware and Towson. If we beat them, we will have beaten every team with a winning record except CofC and Hofstra and we will have beaten Drexel at home, which CofC couldn't pull off.