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(02-08-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  On a serious note....does anything think Blaine would actually excel in todays basketball?

He's been out of the game for years, Im sure he's lost a lot of contacts. Concepts in basketball are much different today than when he coached. You also don't get the ability to develop someone for 5 years.

And this wont be popular, but outside of his years with Bazemore, we weren't a powerhouse some people like to believe. Better than what we have now, but we were never a top 50 team without Bazemore. (ducks)

What coaches go on a few years siesta and return successfully?

He will certainly have a hard time readjusting and he may truly not be interested, assuming the job opens up. But I think we will have better options. Mark Few for one.

(02-08-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  On a serious note....does anything think Blaine would actually excel in todays basketball?

He's been out of the game for years, Im sure he's lost a lot of contacts. Concepts in basketball are much different today than when he coached. You also don't get the ability to develop someone for 5 years.

And this wont be popular, but outside of his years with Bazemore, we weren't a powerhouse some people like to believe. Better than what we have now, but we were never a top 50 team without Bazemore. (ducks)

What coaches go on a few years siesta and return successfully?

He'd have to run a completely different system than he did when he was here before. I have NO IDEA how well that would go.

But, seriously, it doesn't matter. He is not going back to coaching.

(02-08-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  On a serious note....does anything think Blaine would actually excel in todays basketball?

He's been out of the game for years, Im sure he's lost a lot of contacts. Concepts in basketball are much different today than when he coached. You also don't get the ability to develop someone for 5 years.

And this wont be popular, but outside of his years with Bazemore, we weren't a powerhouse some people like to believe. Better than what we have now, but we were never a top 50 team without Bazemore. (ducks)

What coaches go on a few years siesta and return successfully?

Bill Snyder is an example of someone who took an extended leave and came back to resurrect Kansas State. But football is a completely different beast since it's more of a CEO role and comes with a massive support staff.

Griff Aldrich took 20 years off from coaching and has Longwood playing good ball, but he ramped up to that with an assistant role first at UMBC from 2016 to 2018. Not too many other examples unless you include the coaches like Bruce Pearl who were literally not allowed to coach during their break.

Not getting a new coach anyway, so unfortunately all of this wishful thinking is for nothing. It is fun to think about though.

(02-08-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  On a serious note....does anything think Blaine would actually excel in todays basketball?

He's been out of the game for years, Im sure he's lost a lot of contacts. Concepts in basketball are much different today than when he coached. You also don't get the ability to develop someone for 5 years.

And this wont be popular, but outside of his years with Bazemore, we weren't a powerhouse some people like to believe. Better than what we have now, but we were never a top 50 team without Bazemore. (ducks)

What coaches go on a few years siesta and return successfully?

I love Baze, but he wasn't the world beater folks like to think he was. He was a great player who's game translated best to the NBA. And Im happy for him. He's a great guy and deserves everything he has. But he was probably the 4th best player on the team most of his time here. He was the man his senior year, but by then the other stars of the BT era had graduated. Id take Finney, Lee and Hassell on my all BT Bazemore era picks ahead of Baze himself.

Ill take your word on the top 50 stuff, but I would think that Loughton, Williamson, Johnson, Dahi, VV, Carter era would be close. That team would crush any squad JJ has had except mayyyyyybe the Freeman team.

(02-08-2023 12:35 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  On a serious note....does anything think Blaine would actually excel in todays basketball?

He's been out of the game for years, Im sure he's lost a lot of contacts. Concepts in basketball are much different today than when he coached. You also don't get the ability to develop someone for 5 years.

And this wont be popular, but outside of his years with Bazemore, we weren't a powerhouse some people like to believe. Better than what we have now, but we were never a top 50 team without Bazemore. (ducks)

What coaches go on a few years siesta and return successfully?

Bill Snyder is an example of someone who took an extended leave and came back to resurrect Kansas State. But football is a completely different beast since it's more of a CEO role and comes with a massive support staff.

Griff Aldrich took 20 years off from coaching and has Longwood playing good ball, but he ramped up to that with an assistant role first at UMBC from 2016 to 2018. Not too many other examples unless you include the coaches like Bruce Pearl who were literally not allowed to coach during their break.

Pearl is a good one, I didn't consider. About 3 years, I think?

(02-08-2023 12:54 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  On a serious note....does anything think Blaine would actually excel in todays basketball?

He's been out of the game for years, Im sure he's lost a lot of contacts. Concepts in basketball are much different today than when he coached. You also don't get the ability to develop someone for 5 years.

And this wont be popular, but outside of his years with Bazemore, we weren't a powerhouse some people like to believe. Better than what we have now, but we were never a top 50 team without Bazemore. (ducks)

What coaches go on a few years siesta and return successfully?

I love Baze, but he wasn't the world beater folks like to think he was. He was a great player who's game translated best to the NBA. And Im happy for him. He's a great guy and deserves everything he has. But he was probably the 4th best player on the team most of his time here. He was the man his senior year, but by then the other stars of the BT era had graduated. Id take Finney, Lee and Hassell on my all BT Bazemore era picks ahead of Baze himself.

Ill take your word on the top 50 stuff, but I would think that Loughton, Williamson, Johnson, Dahi, VV, Carter era would be close. That team would crush any squad JJ has had except mayyyyyybe the Freeman team.

Bazemore may have been the 4th best as a freshman, but certainly not "most of the time." And being a huge fan of Finney, he wasn't Bazemore. Lee was only with Bazemore during Baze freshman and soph teams. None of those guys were as good as Bazemore., either way.

Outside of Baze years, the best teams Blain had were in 06 (67 in KenPom) and 07 (64 in KenPom).

Not arguing that Jones did anything near Blaine, but Jones best teams were 2015 (70 in KenPom) and 2018 (64 in KenPom).Jones problem is the team fell off 3 years ago and they haven't gotten back up.

Blaine use to tell players that they have a one year scholarship at practice. Now players telling coaches they have one year.

(02-09-2023 06:37 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Blaine use to tell players that they have a one year scholarship at practice. Now players telling coaches they have one year.

Well said!

(02-08-2023 01:15 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 12:54 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 12:21 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  On a serious note....does anything think Blaine would actually excel in todays basketball?

He's been out of the game for years, Im sure he's lost a lot of contacts. Concepts in basketball are much different today than when he coached. You also don't get the ability to develop someone for 5 years.

And this wont be popular, but outside of his years with Bazemore, we weren't a powerhouse some people like to believe. Better than what we have now, but we were never a top 50 team without Bazemore. (ducks)

What coaches go on a few years siesta and return successfully?

I love Baze, but he wasn't the world beater folks like to think he was. He was a great player who's game translated best to the NBA. And Im happy for him. He's a great guy and deserves everything he has. But he was probably the 4th best player on the team most of his time here. He was the man his senior year, but by then the other stars of the BT era had graduated. Id take Finney, Lee and Hassell on my all BT Bazemore era picks ahead of Baze himself.

Ill take your word on the top 50 stuff, but I would think that Loughton, Williamson, Johnson, Dahi, VV, Carter era would be close. That team would crush any squad JJ has had except mayyyyyybe the Freeman team.

Bazemore may have been the 4th best as a freshman, but certainly not "most of the time." And being a huge fan of Finney, he wasn't Bazemore. Lee was only with Bazemore during Baze freshman and soph teams. None of those guys were as good as Bazemore., either way.

Outside of Baze years, the best teams Blain had were in 06 (67 in KenPom) and 07 (64 in KenPom).

Not arguing that Jones did anything near Blaine, but Jones best teams were 2015 (70 in KenPom) and 2018 (64 in KenPom).Jones problem is the team fell off 3 years ago and they haven't gotten back up.

Ask Blaine Taylor. A group of us were talking to him at the VT football game this fall and Blaine said Finley was the 4th best player on that ‘09-10 team behind Finney, Hassell, Lee.

No way I’d ever want BT coaching ODU again. Not a fan of 46 to 45 games. Plus he embarrassed the school beyond forgiveness.
My vote is Drew Williamson. See link..

https://govsutrojans.com/news/2020/11/23...alist.aspx


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(02-11-2023 06:39 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  No way I’d ever want BT coaching ODU again. Not a fan of 46 to 45 games. Plus he embarrassed the school beyond forgiveness.
My vote is Drew Williamson. See link..

https://govsutrojans.com/news/2020/11/23...alist.aspx


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I'd vote for his boss, Dusty May

(02-11-2023 06:39 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  No way I’d ever want BT coaching ODU again. Not a fan of 46 to 45 games. Plus he embarrassed the school beyond forgiveness.
My vote is Drew Williamson. See link..

https://govsutrojans.com/news/2020/11/23...alist.aspx


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I’m with you there about BT, 100%!

Not sure where to put this. Troy just extended their football coach big time. He also got a significant undisclosed as of yet raise and promises of more resources. If we are going to compete we need to know what we are up against.

https://fifthquarter.net/news/2023/03/25...vestments/

(02-05-2023 08:49 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(02-05-2023 07:30 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(02-04-2023 11:19 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-04-2023 10:18 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(02-04-2023 02:41 PM)monarx Wrote:  It definitely can work. We’ve been watching it for nearly 20 years now. 15 of them weren’t too bad. But I’d love to see us be able to win with a pretty, fun to watch, fast paced offense like Wood said he was bringing in (before the coach we were going to hire went to USC). But that said, I’d rather win ugly than lose pretty. And Blaine Taylor was the master at winning ugly. JJ is basically a poor man’s, less successful BT. It’d be fun to try something different. Ollie was able to win with a good looking, faster, skilled team.

Unfortunately I would be very interested in how BT would fare in today’s college basketball scene. He was highly successful in getting players to accept coaching development over time. I would be highly skeptical that anyone can get a high % of kids to commit to 4-5 years in the current landscape.

A fair point, but every coach has to figure out how to win with the hand they’re dealt at the time. BT figured out how to win in the world he was coaching in. Not sure that strategy would work now either. But it was great for that time.

The hand they are dealt with is the hand they chose! Nobody can win with the quality of players JJ is bringing in here. We are losing games before they are even played. Unsersized, poor shooters & weak defenders. Year after year after year. This is the best JJ can do. One of the worst recruiters in college basketball.

But stat man said we shouldn’t change coaches because we have a core group that can win a championship.

Jones has the worse habit of looking at 3 and 4’s but coming up empty, for 10 years unless he gets a coach to have his sons transfer here. When he does get a top 100 player like Jadin Johnson, he sits on the bench, like many others. This tells me doesn’t know how to develop player’s or after playing for him they become disenchanted with his coaching or the way he degrades his player’s. I truely believe other coaches have told player’s to stay away from ODU. This is in reference to the previous part of this thread.

(02-05-2023 11:27 AM)mac Wrote:  

(02-05-2023 10:37 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(02-05-2023 08:47 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  Nice to think about an ex-Monarch as the next coach but it’s not going to happen. Wood said next coach will definitely not be an ex ODU player. [/u]

Wood is an idiot. Why even make a remark like that? What if the best candidate is an ex player? Not saying it is but how can you just eliminate a group of people like that ahead of time? There’s been plenty of good examples of former players having success coaching their former teams.

Don’t worry bro, Wood is the man!

He’ll likely bring in ex UVA great Terry Holland to coach. After all, Terry is only 80, plenty left in the tank. I’m only worried he hasn’t coached in a decade or two but with that UVA pedigree, he’ll do great at a little school like ODU! We will be back in no time. Yep, no time at all.

Sorry to say, but Terry past away about a month ago.

These threads could stop, if Wood would have the guts to tell the VP that either JJ is being retained or he would get a new coach. But of course he probably will not, just like he told no public fans that he extended JJ an extra (spring of 2021) year to 2025. Now a double buy out, Thanks to Wood. He has been at UVA, WKU and now ODU. It is time to move on to your next screw up, for as long as they Will keep you. Then we can talk about a new coach.

(03-25-2023 06:31 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(02-05-2023 08:49 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(02-05-2023 07:30 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(02-04-2023 11:19 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-04-2023 10:18 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  Unfortunately I would be very interested in how BT would fare in today’s college basketball scene. He was highly successful in getting players to accept coaching development over time. I would be highly skeptical that anyone can get a high % of kids to commit to 4-5 years in the current landscape.

A fair point, but every coach has to figure out how to win with the hand they’re dealt at the time. BT figured out how to win in the world he was coaching in. Not sure that strategy would work now either. But it was great for that time.

The hand they are dealt with is the hand they chose! Nobody can win with the quality of players JJ is bringing in here. We are losing games before they are even played. Unsersized, poor shooters & weak defenders. Year after year after year. This is the best JJ can do. One of the worst recruiters in college basketball.

But stat man said we shouldn’t change coaches because we have a core group that can win a championship.

Jones has the worse habit of looking at 3 and 4’s but coming up empty, for 10 years unless he gets a coach to have his sons transfer here. When he does get a top 100 player like Jadin Johnson, he sits on the bench, like many others. This tells me doesn’t know how to develop player’s or after playing for him they become disenchanted with his coaching or the way he degrades his player’s. I truely believe other coaches have told player’s to stay away from ODU. This is in reference to the previous part of this thread.

Jadin Johnson was not a top 100 player

(03-25-2023 09:02 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-25-2023 06:31 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(02-05-2023 08:49 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(02-05-2023 07:30 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(02-04-2023 11:19 PM)monarx Wrote:  A fair point, but every coach has to figure out how to win with the hand they’re dealt at the time. BT figured out how to win in the world he was coaching in. Not sure that strategy would work now either. But it was great for that time.

The hand they are dealt with is the hand they chose! Nobody can win with the quality of players JJ is bringing in here. We are losing games before they are even played. Unsersized, poor shooters & weak defenders. Year after year after year. This is the best JJ can do. One of the worst recruiters in college basketball.

But stat man said we shouldn’t change coaches because we have a core group that can win a championship.

Jones has the worse habit of looking at 3 and 4’s but coming up empty, for 10 years unless he gets a coach to have his sons transfer here. When he does get a top 100 player like Jadin Johnson, he sits on the bench, like many others. This tells me doesn’t know how to develop player’s or after playing for him they become disenchanted with his coaching or the way he degrades his player’s. I truely believe other coaches have told player’s to stay away from ODU. This is in reference to the previous part of this thread.

Jadin Johnson was not a top 100 player

Maybe it was within his position, anyway JJ thought he was good. In the one type I saw him play, he made Two shots and had a pretty stroke