He tweeted he had an offer from Arizona in early January: https://twitter.com/gabehoffmann/status/...jkEBw&s=19

Doesn't specify that it was PWO, so I'd assume scholarship. But not sure.

(02-01-2023 01:35 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 01:16 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 01:02 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 12:58 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 12:21 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Speaking of scholarships we are giving
We just got a commitment from TE Gabe Hoffman
https://twitter.com/SSN_EMU/status/16208...uaRmg&s=19

Had offer from Arizona

Are you sure? I don't see it. 247 says No offer from Arizona.

He was offered by Arizona
But he received a lot of interest from TCU
That's where I had my money on for him to go
I think it was at most a PWO from TCU but it very well could have been a scholarship

I don't want to doubt you, esp. if you have information we don't, but 247 sports indicate he was NOT offered by Arizona.

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Gabe-H...Interests/

Was his offer late? PWO? Something else?

Here is another site saying "100% TCU". Again scholarship? PWO?

https://www.on3.com/db/gabe-hoffmann-44517/

I'm just trying to make sense of the contradictions which do not sort themselves out.

I mentioned him in the 2023 recruiting thread. Surprised we added another TE but Evan Fortney transferred out to Grand Valley and maybe that is why we had another TE.

(02-01-2023 01:38 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  He tweeted he had an offer from Arizona in early January: https://twitter.com/gabehoffmann/status/...jkEBw&s=19

Doesn't specify that it was PWO, so I'd assume scholarship. But not sure.

Good info.

I will repeat what 'dad' and I have been posting about on this forum. A verbal offer is mostly a statement of interest unless it is in writing.

I have no idea if his offer is conditional on something, e.g., a scholarship opens or something we are not privy.

All of that said, if he thought he had a Pac-12 offer or B12 offer (including TCU!!) and they don't work out, I'm sure C.C. would take him in a heart beat if we have a scholarship. (and as I posted elsewhere, a school can 'go over 85 in February and get down to 85 by I think August.' As '79 reminds us, scholarships typically open after spring ball is over.

(02-01-2023 01:35 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 01:16 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 01:02 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 12:58 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 12:21 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Speaking of scholarships we are giving
We just got a commitment from TE Gabe Hoffman
https://twitter.com/SSN_EMU/status/16208...uaRmg&s=19

Had offer from Arizona

Are you sure? I don't see it. 247 says No offer from Arizona.

He was offered by Arizona
But he received a lot of interest from TCU
That's where I had my money on for him to go
I think it was at most a PWO from TCU but it very well could have been a scholarship

I don't want to doubt you, esp. if you have information we don't, but 247 sports indicate he was NOT offered by Arizona.

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Gabe-H...Interests/

Was his offer late? PWO? Something else?

Here is another site saying "100% TCU". Again scholarship? PWO?

https://www.on3.com/db/gabe-hoffmann-44517/

I'm just trying to make sense of the contradictions which do not sort themselves out.

He was offered by both
Arizona did offer a scholarship
TCU did offer him
As to whether or not it was a PWO or a scholarship
I have no idea
I didn't see it as too important to ask
But I would lean on it being a PWO offer

(02-01-2023 02:46 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 01:35 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 01:16 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 01:02 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 12:58 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Had offer from Arizona

Are you sure? I don't see it. 247 says No offer from Arizona.

He was offered by Arizona
But he received a lot of interest from TCU
That's where I had my money on for him to go
I think it was at most a PWO from TCU but it very well could have been a scholarship

I don't want to doubt you, esp. if you have information we don't, but 247 sports indicate he was NOT offered by Arizona.

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Gabe-H...Interests/

Was his offer late? PWO? Something else?

Here is another site saying "100% TCU". Again scholarship? PWO?

https://www.on3.com/db/gabe-hoffmann-44517/

I'm just trying to make sense of the contradictions which do not sort themselves out.

He was offered by both
Arizona did offer a scholarship
TCU did offer him
As to whether or not it was a PWO or a scholarship
I have no idea
I didn't see it as too important to ask
But I would lean on it being a PWO offer

Okay. Someone from the West Coast chose EMU over Arizona. Doesn't happen every day (or every year for that matter).

https://twitter.com/gabehoffmann/status/...lvvQ2KNX2A

3.89 GPA.

Another surprise (if you want to call it that) was that Kellen McDonough had not been fully evaluated on 247. Yesterday they updated him and not only did he pass Blair has our top rated recruit in his class, but he passed Roback as our highest rated recruit ever! Did not see that coming.

BTW, it might be a good time to dust off the difference between gray shirting and signing a regular full scholarship LOI.

Why is this relevant? Maybe to EMU? A recruit may think he has a full ride scholarship offer to university X. He later discovers before the 2nd signing period, that it is a 'gray shirt.' Yes, they found someone they liked better for the full ride. The recruit is on in a pickle. Take the lesser offer or go shopping for university Y or Z

Why is this relevant? EMU just signed a supposed Pac-10 recruit. Howard signed a recruit who was verballed to MSU. Is there more to the story? WHO KNOWS? Did Arizona and MSU pull a fast one?

So in either case did EMU and Howard offer full athletic scholarships? Did Arizona and MSU offer gray shirt scholarship offers? Did either school (AZ or MSU) get cold feet that they may be signing too many LOIs?

Anyway, here is an article describing grayshirting...

https://www.2adays.com/blog/grayshirt-vs...-and-cons/

"What Makes You a Grayshirt?
A grayshirt is a college offering an athlete a scholarship only after they are a part-time student and are not a part of team activities during their first semester. In your second semester, you can receive a scholarship, take classes full-time, and participate in team activities. This is a loophole for colleges to get around their yearly scholarship allotment amounts. If they’re taking this approach, they must really want you on the team.

Related: What’s the Difference: Headcount and Equivalency Scholarships

Each team has only so many scholarships that they can offer per NCAA rules, so grayshirts allow them to recruit more players without going over their limit. Many people criticize grayshirting because it takes an athlete’s redshirt year without allowing them to hone their skills during team practices.

Related: Redshirt or COVID: How to Use Your Extra Year of Eligibility

Grayshirt offers may sometimes also blindside an athlete. You can commit to a school believing you will receive a normal scholarship offer, and right before signing day, the school may reveal that their offer is only a grayshirt. This prevents you from exploring their other options because you’ve planned on attending this school for so long."

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This sounds nice and fine, but... For ONE semester the student (not yet a student-athlete) is NOT on athletic scholarship. So he is forced to pay his own way... Oh, mom and dad need to shell out, unless he can be given academic $.

Note, reading the text of the article, the student-athlete (2nd semester) can do S&C, spring ball, etc. like an early enroller from h.s. for say Jan 2024. He just starts early (like a 2024 recruit, rather than 2023).

(02-02-2023 07:16 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  Another surprise (if you want to call it that) was that Kellen McDonough had not been fully evaluated on 247. Yesterday they updated him and not only did he pass Blair has our top rated recruit in his class, but he passed Roback as our highest rated recruit ever! Did not see that coming.

Wonder what changed their rating?

(02-02-2023 07:16 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  Another surprise (if you want to call it that) was that Kellen McDonough had not been fully evaluated on 247. Yesterday they updated him and not only did he pass Blair has our top rated recruit in his class, but he passed Roback as our highest rated recruit ever! Did not see that coming.

Hmmm...is that enough to bump the 2023 recruiting class into the top three in the MAC?

(02-02-2023 09:10 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 07:16 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  Another surprise (if you want to call it that) was that Kellen McDonough had not been fully evaluated on 247. Yesterday they updated him and not only did he pass Blair has our top rated recruit in his class, but he passed Roback as our highest rated recruit ever! Did not see that coming.

Hmmm...is that enough to bump the 2023 recruiting class into the top three in the MAC?

We were number 2 without his rating
Now we are number 2 in the MAC

BTW, I just pulled a senior moment (not like the EMU class of 2023) but like my Medicare card has turned yellow (that's a joke).

I forgot to add Dylan Summers in my count of players who were on scholarship but won't play in 2023.

Did he just give up on FB and give up a scholarship? Did he decide to 'retire' due to a medical issue? Something else?

IF he 'retired' due to medical reasons, I think he can remain on scholarship but the scholarship can be given out. Does this explain the last signee who wasn't in the mix weeks ago?
As we always say, recruiting is dynamic because it is a 'numbers game.'

EDIT: I looked him up. He started at Cornell (2019) and transferred to EMU. Am I right that he should graduate in 2023 (or graduated in December)???
Did he not play in 2022? Was he injured?

I don't see Hoffman rated on the class composite, but on his individual page is an 84.

(02-02-2023 09:23 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 09:10 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 07:16 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  Another surprise (if you want to call it that) was that Kellen McDonough had not been fully evaluated on 247. Yesterday they updated him and not only did he pass Blair has our top rated recruit in his class, but he passed Roback as our highest rated recruit ever! Did not see that coming.

Hmmm...is that enough to bump the 2023 recruiting class into the top three in the MAC?

We were number 2 without his rating
Now we are number 2 in the MAC

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/high...end/?amp=1

(02-02-2023 12:23 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/high...end/?amp=1

That article says it all. Great find!

(02-02-2023 12:35 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 12:23 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/high...end/?amp=1

That article says it all. Great find!

I am not the best contributor when it comes to football. But I do want to point out an issue with the article, they misspelled Ypsi:
“On Wednesday morning Hoffmann faxed his letter of intent more than halfway across the country to Yipsilanti, Michigan, the home of Eastern Michigan University.”

Otherwise, interesting article. Thanks, Cid! And sounds like we got a fairly sought after player which always good. Best of luck to the kid.

(02-02-2023 09:23 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 09:10 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 07:16 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  Another surprise (if you want to call it that) was that Kellen McDonough had not been fully evaluated on 247. Yesterday they updated him and not only did he pass Blair has our top rated recruit in his class, but he passed Roback as our highest rated recruit ever! Did not see that coming.

Hmmm...is that enough to bump the 2023 recruiting class into the top three in the MAC?

We were number 2 without his rating
Now we are number 2 in the MAC

That is great news! Who is number 1?

(02-02-2023 12:47 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 12:35 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 12:23 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/high...end/?amp=1

That article says it all. Great find!

I am not the best contributor when it comes to football. But I do want to point out an issue with the article, they misspelled Ypsi:
“On Wednesday morning Hoffmann faxed his letter of intent more than halfway across the country to Yipsilanti, Michigan, the home of Eastern Michigan University.”

Otherwise, interesting article. Thanks, Cid! And sounds like we got a fairly sought after player which always good. Best of luck to the kid.

This reminds me of the Ben Roethlisberger and his recruitment.

OSU wanted him as a TE. Miami wanted him as a QB. Miami won out. The rest is history.

(02-02-2023 12:52 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 12:47 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 12:35 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 12:23 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/high...end/?amp=1

That article says it all. Great find!

I am not the best contributor when it comes to football. But I do want to point out an issue with the article, they misspelled Ypsi:
“On Wednesday morning Hoffmann faxed his letter of intent more than halfway across the country to Yipsilanti, Michigan, the home of Eastern Michigan University.”

Otherwise, interesting article. Thanks, Cid! And sounds like we got a fairly sought after player which always good. Best of luck to the kid.

This reminds me of the Ben Roethlisberger and his recruitment.

OSU wanted him as a TE. Miami wanted him as a QB. Miami won out. The rest is history.

You may want to rethink any Ben Roethlisberger comparisons moving forward.

(02-02-2023 12:52 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 09:23 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 09:10 AM)cidbearit Wrote:  

(02-02-2023 07:16 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  Another surprise (if you want to call it that) was that Kellen McDonough had not been fully evaluated on 247. Yesterday they updated him and not only did he pass Blair has our top rated recruit in his class, but he passed Roback as our highest rated recruit ever! Did not see that coming.

Hmmm...is that enough to bump the 2023 recruiting class into the top three in the MAC?

We were number 2 without his rating
Now we are number 2 in the MAC

That is great news! Who is number 1?

Buffalo! We're actually really #1! We've the highest per player average 82.78! The kid from Pittsburgh who's the highest rated recruit to ever play at EMU is an astonishing 87.50! That's typically not A MAC recruit