does the league add two schools or go for four to kill off the WAC/A-Sun coalition?

(This is assuming Pac-12 invites SDSU and SMU; MW adds UTEP; AAC adds Georgia State; Sun Belt adds WKU).

Is there any reason to believe that any of this is happening?

RERUN TOPIC. WRONG BOARD.

The SBC won't be adding WKU.

(01-29-2023 09:20 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  does the league add two schools or go for four to kill off the WAC/A-Sun coalition?

(This is assuming Pac-12 invites SDSU and SMU; MW adds UTEP; AAC adds Georgia State; Sun Belt adds WKU).

There is a good possibility that SDSU & SMU will be invited to the PAC. If the MWC adds just one at that point then UTEP might get some consideration but so would NMSU, Texas St, La Tech and possibly others.

The AAC would probably like a big city addition to replace SMU so Georgia St could be a target as could MTSU. WKU may have a bad blood situation with the SBC but I'll bet that could be overcome.

So your scenario is certainly within the realm of possibility. If CUSA did lose 2 or 3 schools, I think replacements would likely have to come from WACASUN schools like SFA, EKU, Tarleton St and maybe even UTRGV.

(01-29-2023 11:06 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 09:20 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  does the league add two schools or go for four to kill off the WAC/A-Sun coalition?

(This is assuming Pac-12 invites SDSU and SMU; MW adds UTEP; AAC adds Georgia State; Sun Belt adds WKU).

There is a good possibility that SDSU & SMU will be invited to the PAC. If the MWC adds just one at that point then UTEP might get some consideration but so would NMSU, Texas St, La Tech and possibly others.

The AAC would probably like a big city addition to replace SMU so Georgia St could be a target as could MTSU. WKU may have a bad blood situation with the SBC but I'll bet that could be overcome.

So your scenario is certainly within the realm of possibility. If CUSA did lose 2 or 3 schools, I think replacements would likely have to come from WACASUN schools like SFA, EKU, Tarleton St and maybe even UTRGV.

UNT was added for a reason

Why would WKU go to the SBC?

(01-29-2023 11:06 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 09:20 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  does the league add two schools or go for four to kill off the WAC/A-Sun coalition?

(This is assuming Pac-12 invites SDSU and SMU; MW adds UTEP; AAC adds Georgia State; Sun Belt adds WKU).

There is a good possibility that SDSU & SMU will be invited to the PAC. If the MWC adds just one at that point then UTEP might get some consideration but so would NMSU, Texas St, La Tech and possibly others.

The AAC would probably like a big city addition to replace SMU so Georgia St could be a target as could MTSU. WKU may have a bad blood situation with the SBC but I'll bet that could be overcome.

So your scenario is certainly within the realm of possibility. If CUSA did lose 2 or 3 schools, I think replacements would likely have to come from WACASUN schools like SFA, EKU, Tarleton St and maybe even UTRGV.

It’s difficult to see MTSU being added to the AAC until Memphis moves on. I could definitely see Georgia St. or ODU going to the AAC, assuming they view the additional travel of the AAC as being worth it for the slight upgrade in competition of the SBC.

The SBC would then likely add WKU (perfect fit for the league) and CUSA likely fills in with Tarleton St. and EKU.

Assumption #1: Pac-12 takes SDSU & SMU. Possible but still not likely. The B1G leadership change has given the current Pac-12 members reason not to panic.

Assumption #2: MWC takes UTEP. Again a possibility but still far from a certainty as referenced by the Miners poster above. Texas State in particular would essentially get the league into two fast-growing markets with Austin & San Antonio with just one addition. Again that assumed the folks in San Marcos would accept. Then again the MWC could look closer tot he Canadian border for backfill.

Assumption #3: Honestly this would be the most likely of your dominoes to fall.

Assumption #4: WKU and the Sun Belt will take awhile to happen. And frankly in spite of the desperation in Bowling Green to jump ship to the MAC just a year ago, some time and recognition that the league is not going to fold around them and the easier path to potential football playoff has to given them pause.

I don't see CUSA adding any other schools for a few years. Then again, we have rehashed this ad nauseum on this board. So my opinion is not significant.

I'm not sure why people keep talking about the SBC taking WKU. The obvious is staring everyone in the face.

1. The old SBC members don't want WKU.
2. The basketball is horrid so why would WKU want that?
3. WKU doesn't fit the geography of the new SBC. Geographically, WKU would be an outlier. All the rest of the schools are in Coastal states, except Marshall, but it's close enough to some of the Eastern Division schools and then theres ArkSt, but ArkSt is geographically and culturally tied to ULL, ULM, etc.

The MAC isn't a real option either for WKU because of many of the same reasons and the AAC will never take a small town school. WKU is left with but one option, CUSA, and it's future as a viable conference is much brighter and more stable than a year ago when WKU put out feelers for the MAC and the SBC.

The AAC very much wants Ga State, but I'm not so sure the feeling is mutual. It's not a question of the American having more "prestige" or whatever. Of course it does (especially when it comes to financials, media markets, and basketball).

But right now, Ga State is very happy building a still-young athletic program in a conference (and division) with a cross-state rival in Ga Southern, and well-known, well-respected regional rivals such as App and Coastal.

Give the Panthers 5-10 more years of growth as an athletic program. Give the revamped AAC time to improve beyond its current status and really set itself as a cut above the rest of the G5. Maybe then, Ga State will be interested. But right now? It's not happening.

A lot of what-ifs have to ALL happen for C-USA to lose anyone. Focus on the big dominoes at the top.

Oh good, this has never been discussed before...

(02-01-2023 02:12 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Oh good, this has never been discussed before...

There will be countless more threads about this drivel. There's no stopping it. Lol

So actual news about the PAC and their possible expansion. McMurphy tweets that the PAC commish will visit SMU tomorrow. If SMU is a target then they are #12 after SDSU. So who will replace SMU in the AAC? MTSU? Georgia State? I'm guessing Texas State to the MWC to replace SDSU since the MWC wants into big Texas markets. Could the falling dominoes create 2 SBC openings? Interesting times ahead.

Georgia State is not ready for the AAC nor the AAC wants them. Georgia State already tried to get into the AAC and they was not interested.

Just a visit by the PAC commish. But remember the PAC can still stay at ten or go just to eleven. Still speculation.

I'll have to respectfully disagree with the previous posts in some ways. IMHO.

-- MT to the AAC? No way. Memphis will easily keep that from happening.

-- Ga. St. indeed would be on the short list for the AAC IMO along with ARMY, ODU, etc..
IF the AAC decides to add--they might decide to not add anyone for now.

--Similar for the MW-- if they lose just one--they could decide to just stay at eleven.
Texas St.? Really? They seem too weak but I guess anything is possible. UTEP or NDSU FB only?

Texas State has an awful athletic department. But it is a large anchor school squarely in the sweet spot of two of the fastest growing markets in the nation. At some point they will get their act together in football & hoops. I consider them a sleeping giant and I suspect others do as well. They would likely be a more attractive target than UTEP in 2023 ... as absurd as they might have sounded a decade ago.

As for the Dallas visit, that is the new Pac-12 commish doing his due diligence publicly to appease those in his own league that believe he is fiddling while Rome burns. I will be shocked if they are the new #12. I get the inventory and Central time zone discussion. But those in Dallas don't even care about the Ponies. And their small, local alumni base are literally dying off. hat doesn't even bring in their lack of research to fit the conference profile.

(01-29-2023 11:27 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Why would WKU go to the SBC?

If we were asked today, I am betting we would join.

SBC is more stable, has better leadership, *likely* has a better media deal, has better geography, and is stronger in football and baseball.

C-USA is stronger in hoops.

I doubt an invite is imminent so its not likely to be a decision that has to be made, but there are pros to going for sure. In a limited run I valued our budding rivalry with Marshall over "100 miles of hate" with MTSU.

The potential snag I see is if it is Texas State that leaves for the AAC vs. Georgia State. WKU would be less willing to join the SBC West. I think LaTech makes more sense in that scenario.

(02-08-2023 08:52 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Texas State has an awful athletic department. But it is a large anchor school squarely in the sweet spot of two of the fastest growing markets in the nation. At some point they will get their act together in football & hoops. I consider them a sleeping giant and I suspect others do as well. They would likely be a more attractive target than UTEP in 2023 ... as absurd as they might have sounded a decade ago.

As for the Dallas visit, that is the new Pac-12 commish doing his due diligence publicly to appease those in his own league that believe he is fiddling while Rome burns. I will be shocked if they are the new #12. I get the inventory and Central time zone discussion. But those in Dallas don't even care about the Ponies. And their small, local alumni base are literally dying off. hat doesn't even bring in their lack of research to fit the conference profile.

IMO you are mistaken-- multiple national reporters are now strongly implying (some directly) that it is SDSU and SMU.

They need 12 in order to have enough inventory for a better media deal. Future Media deal is pushing them to do this fairly soon.

SMU-- central time zone games; texas recruiting; DFW ; easy airport access; excellent academics.