RamyEMU, We've both been in Bates corner all season! He has been special......He's playing with players not in the same hemisphere, and it shows! The problem with this team surely isn't him.......It's the head coach!

(01-25-2023 07:03 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 05:14 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  And yet again. Emoni Bates has got Eastern Michigan University in the national news. Can’t beat that free advertising for name recognition of our Alma Mater. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Yahoo sports, etc… So yet again, THANK YOU EMONI BATES!!

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/01...gan-toledo

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/01/emoni-b...basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-top-recr...05309.html

(‘79, please spare us your standard response of “the team is still 4-16”. We are aware, but they would be 1-19 without Emoni Bates and this way the University still gets the free press despite being a horrible basketball team)
(Luckey, still want to bench Emoni Bates?)

We have dour fans... Sometimes I need to see if I have any vodka in the kitchen cabinet.

That is putting it diplomatically. This forum has always had a ton of informative posters some (many?) of which also doubled as sour fans who never fully treated the student athletes with respect and way overvalued their own opinion. But the way they were handling Emoni Bates was completely disgusting- and completely irrational if not delusional. I was somewhat past it all once we started setting the record straight (and even Sidelines Twitter account called it out)…

But then that Memphis fan from Texas posts on here chiming in on the Emoni Bates debate, and I got p***ed beyond belief. You’re gonna invite this s*** in here???? People here need to get past their incompetence and delusions, be decent, and if nothing else avoid creating fodder for the outside idiots. Celebrate for EMU what we have to celebrate. It certainly isn’t a good basketball team- but at least we’ll get an NBA draft pick. He is one of us, defend your own. It is in your self interest. And not to beat a dead horse: just treat Emoni Bates (and any other player) like human being regardless!!!

I am just so disgusted by some of those on here. I think I am going to take a break from this forum. Otherwise, I am going to be making a lot of enemies real fast among our fellow posters… But thanks for fighting the good fight to Steve and BobW and all others who are of like mind!! Go EMU!!!

(01-25-2023 05:14 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  And yet again. Emoni Bates has got Eastern Michigan University in the national news. Can’t beat that free advertising for name recognition of our Alma Mater. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Yahoo sports, etc… So yet again, THANK YOU EMONI BATES!!

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/01...gan-toledo

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/01/emoni-b...basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-top-recr...05309.html

(‘79, please spare us your standard response of “the team is still 4-16”. We are aware, but they would be 1-19 without Emoni Bates and this way the University still gets the free press despite being a horrible basketball team)
(Luckey, still want to bench Emoni Bates?)

Ramy facts are facts. 4-16. great game against Toledo no doubt one for the record book but do we ignore the three games prior to that? Players are brought into a program to win not to get selected in the NBA. The fact is that we discuss its Noah's half or Emoni's half shows some of us don't understand the concept of teamwork or team. By the way we got free publiclty when he got arrested too. The kind no program wants. Being balanced about the team and pointing out reality I guess comes across as being critical to some on this board. They stay silent for weeks on end without comment and one game they all come out and say see I told you so. Hm. Being 1-19 without Bates and being 4-16 with him is like say it would be -50 without him but its -25 with him. It doesn't matter does it? Its still damn cold.

(01-25-2023 02:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 02:03 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 11:54 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 11:39 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Magic Johnson was 6'8 but in my opinion a more complete player than Bates who also played guard. I do think the Gervin comparison is a good one since both are great shooters and excel at scoring. I don't recall Gervin being praised as highly on other aspects of his game ie defense rebounding passing.

The one thing I use as a criteria is size (H/W).

I remember Magic having a fully developed body at MSU. I believe Kobe was muscular coming out of H.S.

I have NO idea what Gervin weighed in H.S. Hence, I can not make that comparison.

As stated, the closest physical comparison I remember is JaQuan Hart. I hope a photo of he and I from 2022. I was reasonably thin (back then). I would have offered to buy him lunch if I could. Or else a CARE package. He was rail thin.

Time for me to search the last 10 years of NBA drafts and see the last what 600 draftees...

Steve Magic didn't come into MSU out of high school with a fully developed body. He played guard for the first time ever at MSU and averaged 17 pts 8 rebounds and 7.5 assists per game as a frosh. He was selected as an All American.

Understood. I'm trying to remember what he looked like coming to MSU.

My guess is that neither Magic or Kobe were as skinny as Emoni.

The MSU roster for 1977-1978 lists Magic at 215 so yes he was heavier than Emoni.

(01-26-2023 03:37 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 05:14 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  And yet again. Emoni Bates has got Eastern Michigan University in the national news. Can’t beat that free advertising for name recognition of our Alma Mater. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Yahoo sports, etc… So yet again, THANK YOU EMONI BATES!!

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/01...gan-toledo

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/01/emoni-b...basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-top-recr...05309.html

(‘79, please spare us your standard response of “the team is still 4-16”. We are aware, but they would be 1-19 without Emoni Bates and this way the University still gets the free press despite being a horrible basketball team)
(Luckey, still want to bench Emoni Bates?)

Ramy facts are facts. 4-16. great game against Toledo no doubt one for the record book but do we ignore the three games prior to that? Players are brought into a program to win not to get selected in the NBA. The fact is that we discuss its Noah's half or Emoni's half shows some of us don't understand the concept of teamwork or team. By the way we got free publiclty when he got arrested too. The kind no program wants. Being balanced about the team and pointing out reality I guess comes across as being critical to some on this board. They stay silent for weeks on end without comment and one game they all come out and say see I told you so. Hm. Being 1-19 without Bates and being 4-16 with him is like say it would be -50 without him but its -25 with him. It doesn't matter does it? Its still damn cold.

Blah, blah, blah.

A player is brought into a program to do what he can do. A 5-star recruit might be expected to average 15 - 20 ppg. A 2-star 5 ppg.

One always lives out their lives doing what they can to make the world and those around them better. That is how they should live out their lives. I worked on excellent teams (shout out to BLS, an excellent federal agency) and some less than great (I'm being charitable) teams. None of that raises or diminishes me.

Emoni is doing all that he can. Many of us have been and are with him from day one (me 'day zero' - I was trumpeting Emoni when posters thought I was crazy for thinking he could come to EMU).

If EMU win 5, 10, 15, or 20 games is NOT a reflection on him. It is more likely a REFLECTION ON OTHERS, be it players, coaches, etc. He is not a hoops messiah. He is a very talented basketball player. Wilt Chamberlain was unable to lead his team to NBA championships over Bill Russell and the 'green machine' Celtics. That does not diminish his career, but it might the 76ers president/GM. Matthew Stafford never won with the Lions, but won a Super Bowl with the Rams. What does that say about the team? Was Calvin Johnson's career worthless because he never won a Super Bowl? Barry Sanders?

In MLB, a player may be on a team with a 65M payroll. Another player may be on a different team with a 250M payroll. Which player is likely to see October?

Are we denigrating the careers of a lot of EMU MBB and FB players who played of very bad teams? John Bowler was a good player on bad teams. Should we denigrate him because his teams never won big?

Emoni has no need to apologize.

And talk about no need to apologize. Once again, Emoni need not apologize for the sins of his father. The incident people refer could have been a huge travesty of justice. He handled a very difficult situation with remarkable maturity and good judgment. No one likes to mention that he had better judgment than most people would have. And thankfully the Washtenaw County prosecutor had good sense. Not all law enforcement in the U.S. is pristine. At times, heaven called out for justice.

Those numb nuts on CSB SN said Emoni had head phones on during warm ups. WHO CARES. Sometimes folks try to find a story line, albeit trivial. Emoni wore head phones and scored 29 points in the 1st half, maybe others should try it and see if they can score 10 or 15 in the 1st half.

## End of Rejoinder ##

P.S. When Emoni carried the team on his back (first half) the team did very well. When he didn't carry the load, the team came up short. That speaks volumes about this team.

We need a few other players to step up and put up more double-digit scoring games.

So far this board has come up dry on the question: To whom can Emoni be compared. Hence I went to Twitter and asked ACE NBA draft analyst Sam Venecie for help.

https://twitter.com/emu_steve/status/161...Mhe89QHgKA

(01-26-2023 05:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 03:37 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 05:14 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  And yet again. Emoni Bates has got Eastern Michigan University in the national news. Can’t beat that free advertising for name recognition of our Alma Mater. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Yahoo sports, etc… So yet again, THANK YOU EMONI BATES!!

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/01...gan-toledo

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/01/emoni-b...basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-top-recr...05309.html

(‘79, please spare us your standard response of “the team is still 4-16”. We are aware, but they would be 1-19 without Emoni Bates and this way the University still gets the free press despite being a horrible basketball team)
(Luckey, still want to bench Emoni Bates?)

Ramy facts are facts. 4-16. great game against Toledo no doubt one for the record book but do we ignore the three games prior to that? Players are brought into a program to win not to get selected in the NBA. The fact is that we discuss its Noah's half or Emoni's half shows some of us don't understand the concept of teamwork or team. By the way we got free publiclty when he got arrested too. The kind no program wants. Being balanced about the team and pointing out reality I guess comes across as being critical to some on this board. They stay silent for weeks on end without comment and one game they all come out and say see I told you so. Hm. Being 1-19 without Bates and being 4-16 with him is like say it would be -50 without him but its -25 with him. It doesn't matter does it? Its still damn cold.

Blah, blah, blah.

A player is brought into a program to do what he can do. A 5-star recruit might be expected to average 15 - 20 ppg. A 2-star 5 ppg.

One always lives out their lives doing what they can to make the world and those around them better. That is how they should live out their lives. I worked on excellent teams (shout out to BLS, an excellent federal agency) and some less than great (I'm being charitable) teams. None of that raises or diminishes me.

Emoni is doing all that he can. Many of us have been and are with him from day one (me 'day zero' - I was trumpeting Emoni when posters thought I was crazy for thinking he could come to EMU).

If EMU win 5, 10, 15, or 20 games is NOT a reflection on him. It is more likely a REFLECTION ON OTHERS, be it players, coaches, etc. He is not a hoops messiah. He is a very talented basketball player. Wilt Chamberlain was unable to lead his team to NBA championships over Bill Russell and the 'green machine' Celtics. That does not diminish his career, but it might the 76ers president/GM. Matthew Stafford never won with the Lions, but won a Super Bowl with the Rams. What does that say about the team? Was Calvin Johnson's career worthless because he never won a Super Bowl? Barry Sanders?

In MLB, a player may be on a team with a 65M payroll. Another player may be on a different team with a 250M payroll. Which player is likely to see October?

Are we denigrating the careers of a lot of EMU MBB and FB players who played of very bad teams? John Bowler was a good player on bad teams. Should we denigrate him because his teams never won big?

Emoni has no need to apologize.

And talk about no need to apologize. Once again, Emoni need not apologize for the sins of his father. The incident people refer could have been a huge travesty of justice. He handled a very difficult situation with remarkable maturity and good judgment. No one likes to mention that he had better judgment than most people would have. And thankfully the Washtenaw County prosecutor had good sense. Not all law enforcement in the U.S. is pristine. At times, heaven called out for justice.

Those numb nuts on CSB SN said Emoni had head phones on during warm ups. WHO CARES. Sometimes folks try to find a story line, albeit trivial. Emoni wore head phones and scored 29 points in the 1st half, maybe others should try it and see if they can score 10 or 15 in the 1st half.

## End of Rejoinder ##

P.S. When Emoni carried the team on his back (first half) the team did very well. When he didn't carry the load, the team came up short. That speaks volumes about this team.

We need a few other players to step up and put up more double-digit scoring games.

Blad blah yourself. Isn't the right question why aren't we 16-4 with Emoni and the other transfers? Certainly that was everyone's expectation including yours Steve prior to the season. Now we defending 4-16. By the way what's up with calling Acuff for his three turnovers while ignoring Bates 3? Like I said Steve some of disappeared over the past three games and one decent game everyone is back. Well at the least the Toledo game proved the team has a heartbeat.

I admit to drinking some of Miggy's kool aid.
The "pros" did not predict a great season for even w. Emoni.
As far as turnovers, THREE for Emoni as much as he handled the ball was miniscule. Accuff didn't handle the ball much and was very shaky.

I don't think Emoni compares to many college players so this is tough. It's not much of a match size-wise but I'll say Trae Young for lack of a closer comparison. Volume shooter. Polarizing on a national scale. Hometown kid. Needs improvement defensively.

(01-26-2023 09:45 AM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  I don't think Emoni compares to many college players so this is tough. It's not much of a match size-wise but I'll say Trae Young for lack of a closer comparison. Volume shooter. Polarizing on a national scale. Hometown kid. Needs improvement defensively.

Trae Young did go through my mind. Exactly. I try to match game + size and I can't.

He has the size of JaQuan Hart and the shooting of Trae Young. That's the best I can do.

As I indicated above I have a Tweet in to San Venecie, The Athletics, ace NBA draft expert, for his thoughts.

Emoni gets marked down on defense but is that because he expends so much energy on offense and plays so many minutes. Did he play FORTY MINUTES Tuesday? Or it could be when playing on a losing team defense is the first to go?

(01-26-2023 07:06 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 05:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 03:37 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 05:14 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  And yet again. Emoni Bates has got Eastern Michigan University in the national news. Can’t beat that free advertising for name recognition of our Alma Mater. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Yahoo sports, etc… So yet again, THANK YOU EMONI BATES!!

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/01...gan-toledo

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/01/emoni-b...basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-top-recr...05309.html

(‘79, please spare us your standard response of “the team is still 4-16”. We are aware, but they would be 1-19 without Emoni Bates and this way the University still gets the free press despite being a horrible basketball team)
(Luckey, still want to bench Emoni Bates?)

Ramy facts are facts. 4-16. great game against Toledo no doubt one for the record book but do we ignore the three games prior to that? Players are brought into a program to win not to get selected in the NBA. The fact is that we discuss its Noah's half or Emoni's half shows some of us don't understand the concept of teamwork or team. By the way we got free publiclty when he got arrested too. The kind no program wants. Being balanced about the team and pointing out reality I guess comes across as being critical to some on this board. They stay silent for weeks on end without comment and one game they all come out and say see I told you so. Hm. Being 1-19 without Bates and being 4-16 with him is like say it would be -50 without him but its -25 with him. It doesn't matter does it? Its still damn cold.

Blah, blah, blah.

A player is brought into a program to do what he can do. A 5-star recruit might be expected to average 15 - 20 ppg. A 2-star 5 ppg.

One always lives out their lives doing what they can to make the world and those around them better. That is how they should live out their lives. I worked on excellent teams (shout out to BLS, an excellent federal agency) and some less than great (I'm being charitable) teams. None of that raises or diminishes me.

Emoni is doing all that he can. Many of us have been and are with him from day one (me 'day zero' - I was trumpeting Emoni when posters thought I was crazy for thinking he could come to EMU).

If EMU win 5, 10, 15, or 20 games is NOT a reflection on him. It is more likely a REFLECTION ON OTHERS, be it players, coaches, etc. He is not a hoops messiah. He is a very talented basketball player. Wilt Chamberlain was unable to lead his team to NBA championships over Bill Russell and the 'green machine' Celtics. That does not diminish his career, but it might the 76ers president/GM. Matthew Stafford never won with the Lions, but won a Super Bowl with the Rams. What does that say about the team? Was Calvin Johnson's career worthless because he never won a Super Bowl? Barry Sanders?

In MLB, a player may be on a team with a 65M payroll. Another player may be on a different team with a 250M payroll. Which player is likely to see October?

Are we denigrating the careers of a lot of EMU MBB and FB players who played of very bad teams? John Bowler was a good player on bad teams. Should we denigrate him because his teams never won big?

Emoni has no need to apologize.

And talk about no need to apologize. Once again, Emoni need not apologize for the sins of his father. The incident people refer could have been a huge travesty of justice. He handled a very difficult situation with remarkable maturity and good judgment. No one likes to mention that he had better judgment than most people would have. And thankfully the Washtenaw County prosecutor had good sense. Not all law enforcement in the U.S. is pristine. At times, heaven called out for justice.

Those numb nuts on CSB SN said Emoni had head phones on during warm ups. WHO CARES. Sometimes folks try to find a story line, albeit trivial. Emoni wore head phones and scored 29 points in the 1st half, maybe others should try it and see if they can score 10 or 15 in the 1st half.

## End of Rejoinder ##

P.S. When Emoni carried the team on his back (first half) the team did very well. When he didn't carry the load, the team came up short. That speaks volumes about this team.

We need a few other players to step up and put up more double-digit scoring games.

Blad blah yourself. Isn't the right question why aren't we 16-4 with Emoni and the other transfers? Certainly that was everyone's expectation including yours Steve prior to the season. Now we defending 4-16. By the way what's up with calling Acuff for his three turnovers while ignoring Bates 3? Like I said Steve some of disappeared over the past three games and one decent game everyone is back. Well at the least the Toledo game proved the team has a heartbeat.

Just a reminder your talking to sunshine Steve. He has prescription rose colored glasses.

(01-26-2023 11:43 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 07:06 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 05:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 03:37 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 05:14 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  And yet again. Emoni Bates has got Eastern Michigan University in the national news. Can’t beat that free advertising for name recognition of our Alma Mater. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Yahoo sports, etc… So yet again, THANK YOU EMONI BATES!!

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/01...gan-toledo

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/01/emoni-b...basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-top-recr...05309.html

(‘79, please spare us your standard response of “the team is still 4-16”. We are aware, but they would be 1-19 without Emoni Bates and this way the University still gets the free press despite being a horrible basketball team)
(Luckey, still want to bench Emoni Bates?)

Ramy facts are facts. 4-16. great game against Toledo no doubt one for the record book but do we ignore the three games prior to that? Players are brought into a program to win not to get selected in the NBA. The fact is that we discuss its Noah's half or Emoni's half shows some of us don't understand the concept of teamwork or team. By the way we got free publiclty when he got arrested too. The kind no program wants. Being balanced about the team and pointing out reality I guess comes across as being critical to some on this board. They stay silent for weeks on end without comment and one game they all come out and say see I told you so. Hm. Being 1-19 without Bates and being 4-16 with him is like say it would be -50 without him but its -25 with him. It doesn't matter does it? Its still damn cold.

Blah, blah, blah.

A player is brought into a program to do what he can do. A 5-star recruit might be expected to average 15 - 20 ppg. A 2-star 5 ppg.

One always lives out their lives doing what they can to make the world and those around them better. That is how they should live out their lives. I worked on excellent teams (shout out to BLS, an excellent federal agency) and some less than great (I'm being charitable) teams. None of that raises or diminishes me.

Emoni is doing all that he can. Many of us have been and are with him from day one (me 'day zero' - I was trumpeting Emoni when posters thought I was crazy for thinking he could come to EMU).

If EMU win 5, 10, 15, or 20 games is NOT a reflection on him. It is more likely a REFLECTION ON OTHERS, be it players, coaches, etc. He is not a hoops messiah. He is a very talented basketball player. Wilt Chamberlain was unable to lead his team to NBA championships over Bill Russell and the 'green machine' Celtics. That does not diminish his career, but it might the 76ers president/GM. Matthew Stafford never won with the Lions, but won a Super Bowl with the Rams. What does that say about the team? Was Calvin Johnson's career worthless because he never won a Super Bowl? Barry Sanders?

In MLB, a player may be on a team with a 65M payroll. Another player may be on a different team with a 250M payroll. Which player is likely to see October?

Are we denigrating the careers of a lot of EMU MBB and FB players who played of very bad teams? John Bowler was a good player on bad teams. Should we denigrate him because his teams never won big?

Emoni has no need to apologize.

And talk about no need to apologize. Once again, Emoni need not apologize for the sins of his father. The incident people refer could have been a huge travesty of justice. He handled a very difficult situation with remarkable maturity and good judgment. No one likes to mention that he had better judgment than most people would have. And thankfully the Washtenaw County prosecutor had good sense. Not all law enforcement in the U.S. is pristine. At times, heaven called out for justice.

Those numb nuts on CSB SN said Emoni had head phones on during warm ups. WHO CARES. Sometimes folks try to find a story line, albeit trivial. Emoni wore head phones and scored 29 points in the 1st half, maybe others should try it and see if they can score 10 or 15 in the 1st half.

## End of Rejoinder ##

P.S. When Emoni carried the team on his back (first half) the team did very well. When he didn't carry the load, the team came up short. That speaks volumes about this team.

We need a few other players to step up and put up more double-digit scoring games.

Blad blah yourself. Isn't the right question why aren't we 16-4 with Emoni and the other transfers? Certainly that was everyone's expectation including yours Steve prior to the season. Now we defending 4-16. By the way what's up with calling Acuff for his three turnovers while ignoring Bates 3? Like I said Steve some of disappeared over the past three games and one decent game everyone is back. Well at the least the Toledo game proved the team has a heartbeat.

Just a reminder your talking to sunshine Steve. He has prescription rose colored glasses.

If my personality was dour I wouldn't come here and share it with those who do not want to experience it.

Eleven years ago I could have died. I had an extremely aggressive prostate cancer (Gleason score of 10 / 10, the highest). I had surgery, they got it but I developed internal bleeding from the blood thinner. I developed a pulmonary embolism and briefly passed out. I had felt good and was walking outside. boom I passed out climbing the stairs to go to the bedroom. I remember the instructions about pulmonary embolism. 911 to the hospital.

The ONLY person on this forum who knew was Dennis. I was posting from the hospital with assisted breathing in my noise and getting blood transfusions.

Dennis wished me well and began talking recruiting.

I never told anyone publicly. Didn't ask for sympathy. I kept the story to those closest to me. And I gave thanks to God. My urologist said the residents said I was their 'miracle patient.' That's good, but also scary!! Don't know if it was because I survived a Gleason 10 cancer OR survived the pulmonary embolism OR BOTH.

Back in the days of the old Olympia I was robbed by 3 guys at knive point after a Saturday afternoon Red Wings game.

In a sense, I feel very lucky like Jim Steeter who apparently was starting to have a heart attack and an EMU trainer saw and said we need to go to the hospital. He went to St. Joes. I believe he had an artery which was almost completely closed. One is called the "widow maker" which says it all.

Note on prostate cancer: for middle aged guys. Get tested yearly. A doc or urologist will look to see if your PSA goes up >10% in a year. If so it can be BPH, prostatitis, or prostate cancer. May need a biopsy. Remember a PSA going from 1.5 to 2 is NOT good, even though 2 is considered low. A fmr. co-worker had that.

WHAT MEN NEED TO KNOW: If caught BEFORE it spreads outside the prostate, things are good. HOWEVER, if it has SPREAD, it can not be eradicated like other cancers. They can try to slow, but NOT stop the spread.

It's hard to say an exact player. Young is OK because of the shot-taking comparison, but Emoni struggles to beat defenders off the dribble, something Trae never had (or has) a problem with.

Maybe Chet Holmgren? I realize this is recency bias since Holmgren was just in college basketball, and admittedly this is a lot based mostly off body type. But that's who comes to mind immediately.

(01-26-2023 03:40 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  It's hard to say an exact player. Young is OK because of the shot-taking comparison, but Emoni struggles to beat defenders off the dribble, something Trae never had (or has) a problem with.

Maybe Chet Holmgren? I realize this is recency bias since Holmgren was just in college basketball, and admittedly this is a lot based mostly off body type. But that's who comes to mind immediately.

Interesting that we have Chet and Emoni both rail thin. I'm curious how Chet does next season after he recovers from injury.

(01-26-2023 03:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 03:40 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  It's hard to say an exact player. Young is OK because of the shot-taking comparison, but Emoni struggles to beat defenders off the dribble, something Trae never had (or has) a problem with.

Maybe Chet Holmgren? I realize this is recency bias since Holmgren was just in college basketball, and admittedly this is a lot based mostly off body type. But that's who comes to mind immediately.

Interesting that we have Chet and Emoni both rail thin. I'm curious how Chet does next season after he recovers from injury.

Chet was a defensive genius.

Bates is a diet kmart version of kevin durant.

(01-26-2023 03:57 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 03:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 03:40 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  It's hard to say an exact player. Young is OK because of the shot-taking comparison, but Emoni struggles to beat defenders off the dribble, something Trae never had (or has) a problem with.

Maybe Chet Holmgren? I realize this is recency bias since Holmgren was just in college basketball, and admittedly this is a lot based mostly off body type. But that's who comes to mind immediately.

Interesting that we have Chet and Emoni both rail thin. I'm curious how Chet does next season after he recovers from injury.

Chet was a defensive genius.

Bates is a diet kmart version of kevin durant.

You're right, Bates defense holds him back from being adequately compared to many in his general body type.

Chet's body type (Though I believe Holmgren's wingspan is wider than his 7'1" frame and Emoni is pretty proportional)
Trae's offensive usage/defense.
My final answer is a combo of those two.

(01-25-2023 09:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 07:03 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 05:14 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  And yet again. Emoni Bates has got Eastern Michigan University in the national news. Can’t beat that free advertising for name recognition of our Alma Mater. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Yahoo sports, etc… So yet again, THANK YOU EMONI BATES!!

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/01...gan-toledo

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/01/emoni-b...basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-top-recr...05309.html

(‘79, please spare us your standard response of “the team is still 4-16”. We are aware, but they would be 1-19 without Emoni Bates and this way the University still gets the free press despite being a horrible basketball team)
(Luckey, still want to bench Emoni Bates?)

We have dour fans... Sometimes I need to see if I have any vodka in the kitchen cabinet.

That is putting it diplomatically. This forum has always had a ton of informative posters some (many?) of which also doubled as sour fans who never fully treated the student athletes with respect and way overvalued their own opinion. But the way they were handling Emoni Bates was completely disgusting- and completely irrational if not delusional. I was somewhat past it all once we started setting the record straight (and even Sidelines Twitter account called it out)…

But then that Memphis fan from Texas posts on here chiming in on the Emoni Bates debate, and I got p***ed beyond belief. You’re gonna invite this s*** in here???? People here need to get past their incompetence and delusions, be decent, and if nothing else avoid creating fodder for the outside idiots. Celebrate for EMU what we have to celebrate. It certainly isn’t a good basketball team- but at least we’ll get an NBA draft pick. He is one of us, defend your own. It is in your self interest. And not to beat a dead horse: just treat Emoni Bates (and any other player) like human being regardless!!!

I am just so disgusted by some of those on here. I think I am going to take a break from this forum. Otherwise, I am going to be making a lot of enemies real fast among our fellow posters… But thanks for fighting the good fight to Steve and BobW and all others who are of like mind!! Go EMU!!!

Ramy, don't give up. We need you! Certain posters here were going to be anti Emoni Bates no matter what. There was nothing he was going to do that would please some people here which absolutely blows my mind. His body language, his hairstyle, his perceived cockiness, and the most disgusting and egregious allegation: that he wasn't really hurt when he took a spill in a game! Stay positive. I think there are some special moments still to come. This team (Emoni) has already produced 2 thrilling, jump out of your seat, high five everyone in the room games: Michigan and Toledo. I don't think he will be around next season so enjoy every remaining game...if somehow he gets on a crazy hot run, who knows maybe we can still shock the (MAC) world!

(01-26-2023 12:05 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 11:43 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 07:06 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 05:24 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 03:37 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Ramy facts are facts. 4-16. great game against Toledo no doubt one for the record book but do we ignore the three games prior to that? Players are brought into a program to win not to get selected in the NBA. The fact is that we discuss its Noah's half or Emoni's half shows some of us don't understand the concept of teamwork or team. By the way we got free publiclty when he got arrested too. The kind no program wants. Being balanced about the team and pointing out reality I guess comes across as being critical to some on this board. They stay silent for weeks on end without comment and one game they all come out and say see I told you so. Hm. Being 1-19 without Bates and being 4-16 with him is like say it would be -50 without him but its -25 with him. It doesn't matter does it? Its still damn cold.

Blah, blah, blah.

A player is brought into a program to do what he can do. A 5-star recruit might be expected to average 15 - 20 ppg. A 2-star 5 ppg.

One always lives out their lives doing what they can to make the world and those around them better. That is how they should live out their lives. I worked on excellent teams (shout out to BLS, an excellent federal agency) and some less than great (I'm being charitable) teams. None of that raises or diminishes me.

Emoni is doing all that he can. Many of us have been and are with him from day one (me 'day zero' - I was trumpeting Emoni when posters thought I was crazy for thinking he could come to EMU).

If EMU win 5, 10, 15, or 20 games is NOT a reflection on him. It is more likely a REFLECTION ON OTHERS, be it players, coaches, etc. He is not a hoops messiah. He is a very talented basketball player. Wilt Chamberlain was unable to lead his team to NBA championships over Bill Russell and the 'green machine' Celtics. That does not diminish his career, but it might the 76ers president/GM. Matthew Stafford never won with the Lions, but won a Super Bowl with the Rams. What does that say about the team? Was Calvin Johnson's career worthless because he never won a Super Bowl? Barry Sanders?

In MLB, a player may be on a team with a 65M payroll. Another player may be on a different team with a 250M payroll. Which player is likely to see October?

Are we denigrating the careers of a lot of EMU MBB and FB players who played of very bad teams? John Bowler was a good player on bad teams. Should we denigrate him because his teams never won big?

Emoni has no need to apologize.

And talk about no need to apologize. Once again, Emoni need not apologize for the sins of his father. The incident people refer could have been a huge travesty of justice. He handled a very difficult situation with remarkable maturity and good judgment. No one likes to mention that he had better judgment than most people would have. And thankfully the Washtenaw County prosecutor had good sense. Not all law enforcement in the U.S. is pristine. At times, heaven called out for justice.

Those numb nuts on CSB SN said Emoni had head phones on during warm ups. WHO CARES. Sometimes folks try to find a story line, albeit trivial. Emoni wore head phones and scored 29 points in the 1st half, maybe others should try it and see if they can score 10 or 15 in the 1st half.

## End of Rejoinder ##

P.S. When Emoni carried the team on his back (first half) the team did very well. When he didn't carry the load, the team came up short. That speaks volumes about this team.

We need a few other players to step up and put up more double-digit scoring games.

Blad blah yourself. Isn't the right question why aren't we 16-4 with Emoni and the other transfers? Certainly that was everyone's expectation including yours Steve prior to the season. Now we defending 4-16. By the way what's up with calling Acuff for his three turnovers while ignoring Bates 3? Like I said Steve some of disappeared over the past three games and one decent game everyone is back. Well at the least the Toledo game proved the team has a heartbeat.

Just a reminder your talking to sunshine Steve. He has prescription rose colored glasses.

If my personality was dour I wouldn't come here and share it with those who do not want to experience it.

Eleven years ago I could have died. I had an extremely aggressive prostate cancer (Gleason score of 10 / 10, the highest). I had surgery, they got it but I developed internal bleeding from the blood thinner. I developed a pulmonary embolism and briefly passed out. I had felt good and was walking outside. boom I passed out climbing the stairs to go to the bedroom. I remember the instructions about pulmonary embolism. 911 to the hospital.

The ONLY person on this forum who knew was Dennis. I was posting from the hospital with assisted breathing in my noise and getting blood transfusions.

Dennis wished me well and began talking recruiting.

I never told anyone publicly. Didn't ask for sympathy. I kept the story to those closest to me. And I gave thanks to God. My urologist said the residents said I was their 'miracle patient.' That's good, but also scary!! Don't know if it was because I survived a Gleason 10 cancer OR survived the pulmonary embolism OR BOTH.

Back in the days of the old Olympia I was robbed by 3 guys at knive point after a Saturday afternoon Red Wings game.

In a sense, I feel very lucky like Jim Steeter who apparently was starting to have a heart attack and an EMU trainer saw and said we need to go to the hospital. He went to St. Joes. I believe he had an artery which was almost completely closed. One is called the "widow maker" which says it all.

Note on prostate cancer: for middle aged guys. Get tested yearly. A doc or urologist will look to see if your PSA goes up >10% in a year. If so it can be BPH, prostatitis, or prostate cancer. May need a biopsy. Remember a PSA going from 1.5 to 2 is NOT good, even though 2 is considered low. A fmr. co-worker had that.

WHAT MEN NEED TO KNOW: If caught BEFORE it spreads outside the prostate, things are good. HOWEVER, if it has SPREAD, it can not be eradicated like other cancers. They can try to slow, but NOT stop the spread.

You're not the only one with medical issues. Some of you know about mine. But that's not what we are talking about when we say you look through rosé colored glasses. It's how you view emu athletes and coaches. You don't view them critically. You view them as you want them to be not as they are. That's the meaning of looking through rose colored glasses. No coffee/tea emoji this time.

(01-26-2023 04:25 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 09:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 07:03 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 05:14 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  And yet again. Emoni Bates has got Eastern Michigan University in the national news. Can’t beat that free advertising for name recognition of our Alma Mater. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Yahoo sports, etc… So yet again, THANK YOU EMONI BATES!!

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/01...gan-toledo

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/01/emoni-b...basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-top-recr...05309.html

(‘79, please spare us your standard response of “the team is still 4-16”. We are aware, but they would be 1-19 without Emoni Bates and this way the University still gets the free press despite being a horrible basketball team)
(Luckey, still want to bench Emoni Bates?)

We have dour fans... Sometimes I need to see if I have any vodka in the kitchen cabinet.

That is putting it diplomatically. This forum has always had a ton of informative posters some (many?) of which also doubled as sour fans who never fully treated the student athletes with respect and way overvalued their own opinion. But the way they were handling Emoni Bates was completely disgusting- and completely irrational if not delusional. I was somewhat past it all once we started setting the record straight (and even Sidelines Twitter account called it out)…

But then that Memphis fan from Texas posts on here chiming in on the Emoni Bates debate, and I got p***ed beyond belief. You’re gonna invite this s*** in here???? People here need to get past their incompetence and delusions, be decent, and if nothing else avoid creating fodder for the outside idiots. Celebrate for EMU what we have to celebrate. It certainly isn’t a good basketball team- but at least we’ll get an NBA draft pick. He is one of us, defend your own. It is in your self interest. And not to beat a dead horse: just treat Emoni Bates (and any other player) like human being regardless!!!

I am just so disgusted by some of those on here. I think I am going to take a break from this forum. Otherwise, I am going to be making a lot of enemies real fast among our fellow posters… But thanks for fighting the good fight to Steve and BobW and all others who are of like mind!! Go EMU!!!

Ramy, don't give up. We need you! Certain posters here were going to be anti Emoni Bates no matter what. There was nothing he was going to do that would please some people here which absolutely blows my mind. His body language, his hairstyle, his perceived cockiness, and the most disgusting and egregious allegation: that he wasn't really hurt when he took a spill in a game! Stay positive. I think there are some special moments still to come. This team (Emoni) has already produced 2 thrilling, jump out of your seat, high five everyone in the room games: Michigan and Toledo. I don't think he will be around next season so enjoy every remaining game...if somehow he gets on a crazy hot run, who knows maybe we can still shock the (MAC) world!

RamyEMU, I seriously don't understand how anyone on this board can say anything but positives about Emoni! He's averaging 21 pts and 6 Rbs a game! No one else is even close! He's a big time talent! The fact that the team is 4-16, and 1-6 in the MAC isn't his fault! Without him we would be without a doubt 1-19, and that only win would be versus A D2 school! Don't blame him period, there's only one person to blame, and that's Stan Heath, sorry he's 14-37 at EMU, with 3 D2 wins! Only 11 D1 wins currently! You don't hire a coach with a losing track record! Heath has been A college coach for 15 seasons, only 5 have been winning seasons! And, one of those was at Kent St, where he inherited a team who's top nine players returned! This is who you blame! He has won 27 percent of his games at EMU! Tod K went 4-28 his 1st year at Toledo and then 19-17 in year 2! Look at Groce at Akron, Ohio U coach in year 2, Rob Murphy won the MAC West in year one, and went 14-18, then 16-18 in year 2, and in year 3 22-15! Heath's career record without the gift one season at Kent St is 193-244! 51 games below .500! Bronkema, Boykins, would've been much better choices! If you throw in the Kent St year, he's still 21 games below .500! His career record at Kent St was 30-6, he inherited the team! Arkansas 82-71, South Florida 97-130, E Michigan 14-37! Again if you're an AD is this what you want?

(01-26-2023 04:49 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-26-2023 04:25 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 09:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 07:03 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-25-2023 05:14 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  And yet again. Emoni Bates has got Eastern Michigan University in the national news. Can’t beat that free advertising for name recognition of our Alma Mater. Sports Illustrated, USA Today, Yahoo sports, etc… So yet again, THANK YOU EMONI BATES!!

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/01...gan-toledo

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2023/01/emoni-b...basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/former-top-recr...05309.html

(‘79, please spare us your standard response of “the team is still 4-16”. We are aware, but they would be 1-19 without Emoni Bates and this way the University still gets the free press despite being a horrible basketball team)
(Luckey, still want to bench Emoni Bates?)

We have dour fans... Sometimes I need to see if I have any vodka in the kitchen cabinet.

That is putting it diplomatically. This forum has always had a ton of informative posters some (many?) of which also doubled as sour fans who never fully treated the student athletes with respect and way overvalued their own opinion. But the way they were handling Emoni Bates was completely disgusting- and completely irrational if not delusional. I was somewhat past it all once we started setting the record straight (and even Sidelines Twitter account called it out)…

But then that Memphis fan from Texas posts on here chiming in on the Emoni Bates debate, and I got p***ed beyond belief. You’re gonna invite this s*** in here???? People here need to get past their incompetence and delusions, be decent, and if nothing else avoid creating fodder for the outside idiots. Celebrate for EMU what we have to celebrate. It certainly isn’t a good basketball team- but at least we’ll get an NBA draft pick. He is one of us, defend your own. It is in your self interest. And not to beat a dead horse: just treat Emoni Bates (and any other player) like human being regardless!!!

I am just so disgusted by some of those on here. I think I am going to take a break from this forum. Otherwise, I am going to be making a lot of enemies real fast among our fellow posters… But thanks for fighting the good fight to Steve and BobW and all others who are of like mind!! Go EMU!!!

Ramy, don't give up. We need you! Certain posters here were going to be anti Emoni Bates no matter what. There was nothing he was going to do that would please some people here which absolutely blows my mind. His body language, his hairstyle, his perceived cockiness, and the most disgusting and egregious allegation: that he wasn't really hurt when he took a spill in a game! Stay positive. I think there are some special moments still to come. This team (Emoni) has already produced 2 thrilling, jump out of your seat, high five everyone in the room games: Michigan and Toledo. I don't think he will be around next season so enjoy every remaining game...if somehow he gets on a crazy hot run, who knows maybe we can still shock the (MAC) world!

RamyEMU, I seriously don't understand how anyone on this board can say anything but positives about Emoni! He's averaging 21 pts and 6 Rbs a game! No one else is even close! He's a big time talent! The fact that the team is 4-16, and 1-6 in the MAC isn't his fault! Without him we would be without a doubt 1-19, and that only win would be versus A D2 school! Don't blame him period, there's only one person to blame, and that's Stan Heath, sorry he's 14-37 at EMU, with 3 D2 wins! Only 11 D1 wins currently! You don't hire a coach with a losing track record! Heath has been A college coach for 15 seasons, only 5 have been winning seasons! And, one of those was at Kent St, where he inherited a team who's top nine players returned! This is who you blame! He has won 27 percent of his games at EMU! Tod K went 4-28 his 1st year at Toledo and then 19-17 in year 2! Look at Groce at Akron, Ohio U coach in year 2, Rob Murphy won the MAC West in year one, and went 14-18, then 16-18 in year 2, and in year 3 22-15! Heath's career record without the gift one season at Kent St is 193-244! 51 games below .500! Bronkema, Boykins, would've been much better choices! If you throw in the Kent St year, he's still 21 games below .500! His career record at Kent St was 30-6, he inherited the team! Arkansas 82-71, South Florida 97-130, E Michigan 14-37! Again if you're an AD is this what you want?

The blame Stan Heath broken record is almost as bad as the Emoni hate. It's got to stop. In one breath you say that Emoni is special (true) and that no one else on the team is close to him in talent (also true). Here's the thing. It is hard to win games with one productive player. You watched the Toledo game, it was 5 on 2 out there and Eastern almost pulled it off on the road despite being a 21 point underdog. Heath is coaching with one hand tied behind his back. You know better than that. Coaching is definitely not the problem, a serious lack of blue chip talent outside of Emoni and Noah is the problem. Your dislike of Heath is duly noted, can you please move on from it and maybe revisit it after the season?