If ETSU wants to go to the NCAA tournament they better start looking for tickets right now. I hear seats are expensive.

Right now we cannot get passed the Friday game in Asheville.

(01-14-2023 06:19 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  4 days in March Jay. All that counts. Wonder how Dr. Noland is feeling right now.

Hope he has green lighted Dr Sander to hire a new AD, then work closely with that hire to replace the football and basketball coaches — using whatever ethical means available to get this done.

Oliver, we thank your for not allowing the players to kneel. Your service to this nation and program are duly noted. How does a 3-year vacation sound?

Captain Obvious called and said a pretty poor showing, whatever it was. He wasn't sure it was basketball. This team is average on a good day and today wasn't a good day.

(01-14-2023 07:07 PM)shampoo Wrote:  Oliver, we thank your for not allowing the players to kneel. Your service to this nation and program are duly noted. How does a 3-year vacation sound?

Im starting the Hire Frank Martin movement good coach probably still has alot of coaching left in him but probably not on radar for any bigtime jobs at this point and probably not looking for that kind of headache again be like an andy kennedy hire at UAB

Such a letdown especially after the Citadel game.
The offense was largely nonexistent. The loss of Taylor definitely hurt, but I don't know how much difference he would have ultimately made. Not sure what offense we're running. I largely see a bunch of pick and rolls and very little else.
Defense wasn't awful, but simply couldn't get any stops to close the margin to give us a chance. The zone at the end was run about the same time Mercer hit some threes.
I still see the issues with these team as more coaching and less about the players.

Maybe people can put this or believe things are different, but there’s one thing that’s true:

This team sucks.

(01-14-2023 09:15 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Maybe people can put this or believe things are different, but there’s one thing that’s true:

This team sucks.

our guard play is bad but coaching doesn't help them if he doesn't run something or put them in positions to maximize whatever success they are capable of and if anyone else noticed on multiple occasions we would be 15 to 17 seconds into the shot clock before we made our first pass at times that's on the coach that means they're not running anything but that's why other teams are always shooting wide-open and we can't get a shot off other teams move the ball and move without the ball we dont that's why it's so hard for us to even get a shot sometimes

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(01-14-2023 09:15 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Maybe people can put this or believe things are different, but there’s one thing that’s true:

This team sucks.

our guard play is bad but coaching doesn't help them if he doesn't run something or put them in positions to maximize whatever success they are capable of and if anyone else noticed on multiple occasions we would be 15 to 17 seconds into the shot clock before we made our first pass at times that's on the coach that means they're not running anything but that's why other teams are always shooting wide-open and we can't get a shot off other teams move the ball and move without the ball we dont that's why it's so hard for us to even get a shot sometimes
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Yes. Where do we go from here? Most people on here are not negative just to be negative. We are truly concerned and want our program straightened out. How do we fix this mess?

(01-14-2023 09:33 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  [quotec nekkid' pid='18725203' dateline='1673749767']

(01-14-2023 09:15 PM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Maybe people can put this or believe things are different, but there’s one thing that’s true:

This team sucks.

our guard play is bad but coaching doesn't help them if he doesn't run something or put them in positions to maximize whatever success they are capable of and if anyone else noticed on multiple occasions we would be 15 to 17 seconds into the shot clock before we made our first pass at times that's on the coach that means they're not running anything but that's why other teams are always shooting wide-open and we can't get a shot off other teams move the ball and move without the ball we dont that's why it's so hard for us to even get a shot sometimes

Yes. Where do we go from here? Most people on here are not negative just to be negative. We are truly concerned and want our program straightened out. How do we fix this mess?
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I actually would really like this coach to have at least some success just because I don't want to be one of those programs with constant turnover every two or three years because then you get coaches who wouldn't want to come here anyway I just don't think he's a good fit he may work out as a head coach somewhere but I just don't think he's a good fit here but I will say if they make a change I hope they do it while Dr. Sander is in charge because he has a tremendous track record everywhere he's been hiring coaches but I don't know if he will make the hire if he's not staying permanently

does anyone know anything about the coaching staff besides Joe Huguely? And I just say that because I have no idea if it's a good staff or if it's a weak staff outside of the head coach makes a big difference sometimes more than people realize I think Forbes is a really good coach but I think he had a really good staff that helped him I don't know one way or the other about this coaching staff

nekkid sounds like some ChatGPT spam acct. Ban it Fan1

lol yea im spam i paid for my season tickets in L 24 with crypto are you trying to impress anyone here throwing out chatgpt? lol everyone raise your hand if youre impressed how about coming out of your parents basement sometime and actually going to a game

Lol nice. You passed the test

I decided to do some research. Coach Oliver has already lost 13 home games in Freedom Hall during his short tenure. Coach Forbes lost 12 home games in 5 years.....Forbes lost 2 games at home his 1st year to UNC Wilmington (25 wins) and UTC (29 wins). Both teams played in the NCAA Tournament. He lost 2 games at home his 2nd year to Tennessee (15 wins) and UNCG (25 wins). UNCG played in the NIT. He lost 4 games at home his 3rd year to Troy (16 wins), and then 3 in a row to end the season to Citadel (11 wins), Wofford (21 wins), and Furman (23 wins), costing ETSU the SoCon title. His 4th year the Bucs lost 3 home games to UNCG (29 wins), Wofford (30 wins), and UWGB (21 wins) in the CIT. Forbes did not coach the CIT game due the death of his father, but I counted it in his 12 home losses. UNCG played in the NIT and Wofford won a game in the NCAA Tournament. In Forbes final year at ETSU the Bucs lost 1 home game, to Mercer (17 wins). The Bucs only lost at home to 3 teams with a losing record during his 5 years at ETSU, El Cid, the Big Orange, and Troy. In addition, Forbes NEVER lost a game to VMI, Western Carolina, and Samford - home or away in 5 years and only lost to Mercer and El Cid 1x. Times have changed.....

(01-14-2023 09:33 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  Yes. Where do we go from here? Most people on here are not negative just to be negative. We are truly concerned and want our program straightened out. How do we fix this mess?

My observations/opinions (and that's all message boards are for!)
I typically do not listen to the coach's show, primarily just the post game interviews, so I miss some stuff he says. I would like to hear him say some things that HE could improve - not players, not we, but him. I get that he's in his second year (and a really difficult first year) as a head coach, and I expect that he'll be ignorant of all the things he needs to do.
In spite of the dissatisfaction with this year's performance, I still think coaches should get four years, unless there's some major scandal, NCAA violations, or team performance declines significantly. Given the contract and the messiness from the previous administration, I don't see he's going anywhere anytime soon and I'm OK with that.
And with regards to a coaching change, some fans just assume there's some great coach out there that you can pluck off a shelf.
Now on the court:
I wonder if breaking out a press would be helpful. I wouldn't be looking for turnovers as much as disrupting the opposing offense and eating up an additional 5 seconds or so from the shot clock.
It looks like our 2nd best post option is Smith. So when Haynes is out, get Seymour and Jancek out of the lane and try posting up Smith once during the possession.
See what you can do to make Ilic a better post defender. I was struck how small Jancek looked compared to their big guy. The discrepancy was less so with Ilic and I thought Ilic did a better on him, although it was fairly limited minutes.
This may be too late in the year, but run an offense. It's not apparent what/if an offense is being run each time down. The standing around stuff just isn't going to cut it.
Stress the importance to Haynes of not getting silly fouls. 3 of the 5 he got yesterday were in the silly category. Sometimes you got to let it go and realize that the opponent getting an easy 2 is less hurtful than you getting a foul, particularly at the 4 and 5 position. I've observed that our half court offense functions better with him out there. With Taylor gone, I think we need him 30 minutes per game.

It seems like coach wants to run a run and gun type offense where we go downcourt and quickly shoot a three. That hasn't worked since he has been here because we don't have the outside shooters that can consistently hit outside shots unless they are in rhythm. We also are a very poor transition team. We don't have the players to run an inside-out offense like Forbes did when he had Armus and N'Guessan, nor do we have the guard play to make that work. We also can't do a pick and roll effectively because the guards can't penetrate with the dribble and finish at the rim.

Offensively, our best and most efficient player is Justice Smith, so the ball should go through him most possessions. I hope our coach figures out the importance of Justice (most of his public comments about him have been negative even at the start of the season) and figures out a way to make it work.

Has there be any word of Taylors injury? Looked to be bad.

(01-15-2023 11:28 AM)Etsuwins Wrote:  Has there be any word of Taylors injury? Looked to be bad.

I sure hope he is ok. He is a very good player and deserves to be out there. He makes a difference by just being out on the court for us.