Does anyone know what caused Coach Heath to get 2 technical fouls? It seemed to occur off camera, all I did was hear 2 whistles. No argument.

Often times, I do feel like EMU gets the wrong side of biased refs for some reason, but yesterday’s game was not one of them. Seemed like fair calls. No doubt, emotions are running high with this horrific season. Though, still curious about what Coach Heath was complaining about.

(01-13-2023 10:33 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Won a couple games in the dance with USF too…the first tournament wins in school history. Stan was no “one hit wonder”. He was more than qualified for this job.

I don’t know what else to say that hasn’t been said already in this thread. This is the worst EMU basketball I’ve ever seen, and I remember Ramsey’s last year. This team is unwatchable. Heath is doing a terrible job, but the players deserve a ton of blame. They don’t seem to be playing hard at all outside of Lovejoy, and occasionally Golson and Billingsley. Have a little pride. A result like this should be completely unacceptable to the players, but I don’t get that vibe from this group.

Solid post again Sam.

I was NOT in the Heath camp, I wanted Bronkema. I reasoned that Stan having been out of the college game for so long would emulate a Herm Edwards and not recruit aggressively. I was wrong, Stan embraced the portal and got the "home run" recruit.

I never expected that he would not be able to manage college players or develop the appropriate schemes. In his inaugural season, he took a freaking East Carolina reject (Noah) and made him a star. Mo Njie was a disaster starting the season, much like Randle is now, and he finished as an adequate MAC post player. Stan is competent.

What this team lacks is pure hustle and effort. Defense and rebounding, while aided by athleticism are still largely dependent on perspiration derived from plain hard work, something I see only from Orlando Lovejoy. This team's total effort is reminiscent of those of Ray Lee's and JT4's disappointing senior seasons, when we were loaded with talent. This team is not loaded, hence our horrendous results.

I did not see this one coming.

(01-14-2023 04:15 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Does anyone know what caused Coach Heath to get 2 technical fouls? It seemed to occur off camera, all I did was hear 2 whistles. No argument.

Often times, I do feel like EMU gets the wrong side of biased refs for some reason, but yesterday’s game was not one of them. Seemed like fair calls. No doubt, emotions are running high with this horrific season. Though, still curious about what Coach Heath was complaining about.

Ramy, I agree. The officiating seemed more than fair especially when playing away from home. Coaches often get ejected, hoping that will inspire their teams. If that were the case, it obviously did not work.

(01-14-2023 04:07 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:33 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Dearest Ramy and Bob. This is the main reason you're on my ignore list. By Michigan state law you're a man at 18! stand up and take it like a man. All he did was embarrass himself, the team and our university. It's you emoni lovers are most to blame you built him up for failure.

I don’t think BobW and I are glorifying Emoni Bates, we are sympathizing with his predicament. He is talented enough to average 20 ppg in D1 basketball at the young age of 18, but it is all for nought on so many levels.

I personally find it strange that 60+ year old men publicly gripe about an 18 year old “man” who the state does not deem mature enough to buy cigarettes. And you are publicly gloating in his struggles. Give it a rest already, “fan”.

Bravo Ramy! Couldn't have said it better myself, so of course, I will take a toast (of coffee) in solidarity. Great post.

(01-14-2023 12:10 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:27 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:07 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:03 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 10:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I agree with BobW. Never explain away such a great season and tourney run. Great seasons need great coaching to be great.

He took over a team and in year one won big, very big.

He inherited 4 senior starters, and A junior named Antonio Gates! Did he recruit one of them? NO! He simply won with A championship team from the year earlier! Has he every won like that since? NO! Groce rebuilt Akron after every one left literally when their coach went to Duquesne! That's an enormous difference!

Very few coaches have EVER won like that period! Are you out of your mind?

Nate Oats just did it a few years ago, and he recruited those players! Sorry, Bob, We won't agree on this one! If he went to other schools with his players, and won 30 games, then I'd agree! He has A losing record, and was plus 24 after his 1st season coaching! Look what Oats is doing at Alabama for example! He dominated at the MAC level, and has continued at his next stop! Heath has never been a winner! 5 seasons out 15, and I'm giving him the one MAC season! Gary Waters built Kent St not Stan Heath!

Heath is the one who convinced Gates to go to Kent through their MSU connection. Then he got Gates to gel with Huffman and the rest which actually took until January to happen. After that, everyone knows the story. It was a great coaching job. And he did a respectable job at both Arkansas and USF. Of course, that doesn’t mean he’s doing great work now. Things change. I thought he was a great hire. Hasn’t worked so far. It doesn’t appear as if he has the players on the same page. Part of that’s on him, part of that is on the players who have to be willing to buy in.

Well said. He makes it sound like Heath inherited Duke's roster or something. He took a team to the elite 8 with 1 player who had a cup of coffee in the NBA, a crafty, excellent college point guard, and a HOF Tight End who did a nice job in basketball. This was a team that played well together but certainly not Elite 8 talent by any stretch.

(01-16-2023 04:56 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:10 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:27 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:07 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:03 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  He inherited 4 senior starters, and A junior named Antonio Gates! Did he recruit one of them? NO! He simply won with A championship team from the year earlier! Has he every won like that since? NO! Groce rebuilt Akron after every one left literally when their coach went to Duquesne! That's an enormous difference!

Very few coaches have EVER won like that period! Are you out of your mind?

Nate Oats just did it a few years ago, and he recruited those players! Sorry, Bob, We won't agree on this one! If he went to other schools with his players, and won 30 games, then I'd agree! He has A losing record, and was plus 24 after his 1st season coaching! Look what Oats is doing at Alabama for example! He dominated at the MAC level, and has continued at his next stop! Heath has never been a winner! 5 seasons out 15, and I'm giving him the one MAC season! Gary Waters built Kent St not Stan Heath!

Heath is the one who convinced Gates to go to Kent through their MSU connection. Then he got Gates to gel with Huffman and the rest which actually took until January to happen. After that, everyone knows the story. It was a great coaching job. And he did a respectable job at both Arkansas and USF. Of course, that doesn’t mean he’s doing great work now. Things change. I thought he was a great hire. Hasn’t worked so far. It doesn’t appear as if he has the players on the same page. Part of that’s on him, part of that is on the players who have to be willing to buy in.

Well said. He makes it sound like Heath inherited Duke's roster or something. He took a team to the elite 8 with 1 player who had a cup of coffee in the NBA, a crafty, excellent college point guard, and a HOF Tight End who did a nice job in basketball. This was a team that played well together but certainly not Elite 8 talent by any stretch.

I simply don't agree sorry! Heath has FOUR winning seasons out of the other fourteen years he has coached if you take away that one season! Heath has A career winning percentage below .500! Oats has A 68 percent winning percentage! And, it took Oats into his 4th season to win 33 games at Buffalo! Heath is a very below average coach period! If he won ever close to 30 games again in the next 14 seasons I'd agree with you, but he has never come close with players he has recruited! Maybe, at EMU he will be the next Ben Braun! Yes, Kent St got HOT, but Gary Waters would've done just as well period! We can simply just disagree! One question was Rick Majerus or Stan Heath A better MAC head coach? My vote Rick Majerus by a mile!

(01-16-2023 06:03 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-16-2023 04:56 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:10 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:27 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:07 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Very few coaches have EVER won like that period! Are you out of your mind?

Nate Oats just did it a few years ago, and he recruited those players! Sorry, Bob, We won't agree on this one! If he went to other schools with his players, and won 30 games, then I'd agree! He has A losing record, and was plus 24 after his 1st season coaching! Look what Oats is doing at Alabama for example! He dominated at the MAC level, and has continued at his next stop! Heath has never been a winner! 5 seasons out 15, and I'm giving him the one MAC season! Gary Waters built Kent St not Stan Heath!

Heath is the one who convinced Gates to go to Kent through their MSU connection. Then he got Gates to gel with Huffman and the rest which actually took until January to happen. After that, everyone knows the story. It was a great coaching job. And he did a respectable job at both Arkansas and USF. Of course, that doesn’t mean he’s doing great work now. Things change. I thought he was a great hire. Hasn’t worked so far. It doesn’t appear as if he has the players on the same page. Part of that’s on him, part of that is on the players who have to be willing to buy in.

Well said. He makes it sound like Heath inherited Duke's roster or something. He took a team to the elite 8 with 1 player who had a cup of coffee in the NBA, a crafty, excellent college point guard, and a HOF Tight End who did a nice job in basketball. This was a team that played well together but certainly not Elite 8 talent by any stretch.

I simply don't agree sorry! Heath has FOUR winning seasons out of the other fourteen years he has coached if you take away that one season! Heath has A career winning percentage below .500! Oats has A 68 percent winning percentage! And, it took Oats into his 4th season to win 33 games at Buffalo! Heath is a very below average coach period! If he won ever close to 30 games again in the next 14 seasons I'd agree with you, but he has never come close with players he has recruited! Maybe, at EMU he will be the next Ben Braun! Yes, Kent St got HOT, but Gary Waters would've done just as well period! We can simply just disagree! One question was Rick Majerus or Stan Heath A better MAC head coach? My vote Rick Majerus by a mile!

Gary Waters would've done just as well period?! You are the king of coulda should woulda. I will go out on a limb and say that when the world comes to an end, hopefully many many years from now, the ONLY Elite 8 appearance Kent State will have made will be the one engineered by Stan Heath. It will never happen again in a million years! It is that rare of an accomplishment. It is absolutely laughable that you give him no credit! Just bizarre.

I'm just watching the Akron game. I know I'm about 4 days late.

I'm moaning how bad the PxP and color is. I went to the Wizards/Warriors game yesterday and I could do better.

Then I saw a video shot. Were both the PxP and analyst calling the game REMOTELY???? Is this 2020, redux? Everyone sheltering at home? ESPN just saving money?

I know watching the game how hard it is to see numbers, etc. and call a true PxP. Too many shots are closeup of the scorer and completely lose the rest of the play.

This is ESPN-U. ESPN. ESPN. ESPN.

(01-17-2023 02:32 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I'm just watching the Akron game. I know I'm about 4 days late.

I'm moaning how bad the PxP and color is. I went to the Wizards/Warriors game yesterday and I could do better.

Then I saw a video shot. Were both the PxP and analyst calling the game REMOTELY???? Is this 2020, redux? Everyone sheltering at home? ESPN just saving money?

I know watching the game how hard it is to see numbers, etc. and call a true PxP. Too many shots are closeup of the scorer and completely lose the rest of the play.

This is ESPN-U. ESPN. ESPN. ESPN.

ESPN is owned by Disney. M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E. Enough said.