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RE: Charleston Cracks AP Top 25
(01-31-2023 08:48 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I've seen COC play a few times on TV and I was the game here when they beat UNCW . They can't lose another game and get an at large but I don't think they get it either way and might be just another Monday talk team-where they are talked up by everyone and got screwed . They are fun to watch but I don't see anything special about them other than style of play,no superstar player that puts them on the radar and gets the attention of the committee. Don't forget that just 3 weeks ago UConn was projected as a 1 seed and now they should not be ranked at all but teams like them get the nod all the time by writers who know nothing about basketball but have a vote-much like the "committee" .

While they don't have a "superstar" they have 5 guys averaging double figures. Which is crazy, considering we struggle to break 50 some nights
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RE: Charleston Cracks AP Top 25
(01-31-2023 09:25 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 08:48 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I've seen COC play a few times on TV and I was the game here when they beat UNCW . They can't lose another game and get an at large but I don't think they get it either way and might be just another Monday talk team-where they are talked up by everyone and got screwed . They are fun to watch but I don't see anything special about them other than style of play,no superstar player that puts them on the radar and gets the attention of the committee. Don't forget that just 3 weeks ago UConn was projected as a 1 seed and now they should not be ranked at all but teams like them get the nod all the time by writers who know nothing about basketball but have a vote-much like the "committee" .

While they don't have a "superstar" they have 5 guys averaging double figures. Which is crazy, considering we struggle to break 50 some nights

The selection system has been broken by the greed of the Power 5 conferences. NET rankings are pathetic. I'd like to see the Mid-majors boycott the NCAA tournament and see how the ratings drop without a cinderella!
01-31-2023 09:47 AM
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RE: Charleston Cracks AP Top 25
(01-30-2023 04:24 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-30-2023 02:00 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Maybe I'm wrong, but a 3-4 loss Charleston team is still one of the best 68 teams in the country.

But the top 68 don't get in. More like the top 40-45 do (and the metrics that decide who those top 40-45 teams are is heavily slanted towards the power conferences). The rest of the field are conference champs who would have no business being in the field if not for auto bids.

Does Charleston have a top 40-ish resume at this stage? Ehh....I guess?
You are right about 40 to 45. In order for the 45th best team to get an at-large bid, at least 9 teams above them must win automatic bids, which is likely.

In 1995-1996, Charleston had 3 losses, but were ineligible for the TAAC (now Atlantic Sun) Tournament because they were transitioning to Division I. They were eligible for the NCAA Tournament, but not chosen, and they won one game in the NIT.

(01-31-2023 09:22 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 08:48 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I've seen COC play a few times on TV and I was the game here when they beat UNCW . They can't lose another game and get an at large but I don't think they get it either way and might be just another Monday talk team-where they are talked up by everyone and got screwed . They are fun to watch but I don't see anything special about them other than style of play,no superstar player that puts them on the radar and gets the attention of the committee. Don't forget that just 3 weeks ago UConn was projected as a 1 seed and now they should not be ranked at all but teams like them get the nod all the time by writers who know nothing about basketball but have a vote-much like the "committee" .

By my calculation, if Charleston ran the table the rest of the regular season, then lost in the CAA Championship game, they would have a record of 31-3.

That scenario is unlikely to happen, but if it does my money says they will get an at-large bid. No 30 win team has ever been left out of the NCAA Tournament.
Teams play more games than they used to. Hofstra's snubbed 2005-2006 team that beat George Mason twice was 24-6 on Selection Sunday with four fewer games than teams that will play in this CAA Final. Hofstra could not have been snubbed with 30 wins because they would have been undefeated.

(01-30-2023 05:54 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I’m not pulling for Charleston by any stretch. I haven’t encountered their fans, but I don’t doubt the arrogant ones are being obnoxious. But, dismissing them after losing to Hofstra (CAA 2nd place) is a slap. Q3 is BS...how many of HU. losses were without a healthy Estrada? Or, are only P5 schools allowed nuance? They’re being dismissed like they lost to Monmouth or Hampton.
Estrada was injured at the end of an 81-77 overtime loss at George Mason. With 12 seconds left in overtime down 77-75, he got unlucky because he deserved to foul out, but the foul was called on the wrong player, and he got injured with 8 seconds left. He missed an 85-66 loss at Purdue, and a 71-56 loss against Massachusetts at Barclays Center in Brooklyn. He returned for one game, was rested in a non-Division I game, and played every game after that. His injury did not cost Hofstra any games.

Regardless of the rankings, if Charleston wins every game until losing to Hofstra, Towson, or you in the CAA Final, I would give them an at-large bid.

Towson gets the 1 seed if they win out. In that case they would be above or tied with Charleston, have a head-to-head split, and have a better record than Charleston against the next team or group of tied teams. Towson's losses are to Charleston and Delaware, and Delaware is 4 games behind third. Hofstra needs help from Charleston losing at least one more time than Hofstra does. On the last Thursday, Hofstra has off, so they can watch Towson at Charleston.
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RE: Charleston Cracks AP Top 25
(01-31-2023 01:49 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-30-2023 04:24 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-30-2023 02:00 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Maybe I'm wrong, but a 3-4 loss Charleston team is still one of the best 68 teams in the country.

But the top 68 don't get in. More like the top 40-45 do (and the metrics that decide who those top 40-45 teams are is heavily slanted towards the power conferences). The rest of the field are conference champs who would have no business being in the field if not for auto bids.

Does Charleston have a top 40-ish resume at this stage? Ehh....I guess?
You are right about 40 to 45. In order for the 45th best team to get an at-large bid, at least 9 teams above them must win automatic bids, which is likely.

In 1995-1996, Charleston had 3 losses, but were ineligible for the TAAC (now Atlantic Sun) Tournament because they were transitioning to Division I. They were eligible for the NCAA Tournament, but not chosen, and they won one game in the NIT.

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(01-31-2023 08:48 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I've seen COC play a few times on TV and I was the game here when they beat UNCW . They can't lose another game and get an at large but I don't think they get it either way and might be just another Monday talk team-where they are talked up by everyone and got screwed . They are fun to watch but I don't see anything special about them other than style of play,no superstar player that puts them on the radar and gets the attention of the committee. Don't forget that just 3 weeks ago UConn was projected as a 1 seed and now they should not be ranked at all but teams like them get the nod all the time by writers who know nothing about basketball but have a vote-much like the "committee" .

By my calculation, if Charleston ran the table the rest of the regular season, then lost in the CAA Championship game, they would have a record of 31-3.

That scenario is unlikely to happen, but if it does my money says they will get an at-large bid. No 30 win team has ever been left out of the NCAA Tournament.
Teams play more games than they used to. Hofstra's snubbed 2005-2006 team that beat George Mason twice was 24-6 on Selection Sunday with four fewer games than teams that will play in this CAA Final. Hofstra could not have been snubbed with 30 wins because they would have been undefeated.

(01-30-2023 05:54 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  I’m not pulling for Charleston by any stretch. I haven’t encountered their fans, but I don’t doubt the arrogant ones are being obnoxious. But, dismissing them after losing to Hofstra (CAA 2nd place) is a slap. Q3 is BS...how many of HU. losses were without a healthy Estrada? Or, are only P5 schools allowed nuance? They’re being dismissed like they lost to Monmouth or Hampton.
Estrada was injured at the end of an 81-77 overtime loss at George Mason. With 12 seconds left in overtime down 77-75, he got unlucky because he deserved to foul out, but the foul was called on the wrong player, and he got injured with 8 seconds left. He missed an 85-66 loss at Purdue, and a 71-56 loss against Massachusetts at Barclays Center in Brooklyn. He returned for one game, was rested in a non-Division I game, and played every game after that. His injury did not cost Hofstra any games.

Regardless of the rankings, if Charleston wins every game until losing to Hofstra, Towson, or you in the CAA Final, I would give them an at-large bid.

Towson gets the 1 seed if they win out. In that case they would be above or tied with Charleston, have a head-to-head split, and have a better record than Charleston against the next team or group of tied teams. Towson's losses are to Charleston and Delaware, and Delaware is 4 games behind third. Hofstra needs help from Charleston losing at least one more time than Hofstra does. On the last Thursday, Hofstra has off, so they can watch Towson at Charleston.

Did get an at large in 93-94 season with a record of 24-3.
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Charleston Cracks AP Top 25
(01-31-2023 09:47 AM)Osprey#1 Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 09:25 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 08:48 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I've seen COC play a few times on TV and I was the game here when they beat UNCW . They can't lose another game and get an at large but I don't think they get it either way and might be just another Monday talk team-where they are talked up by everyone and got screwed . They are fun to watch but I don't see anything special about them other than style of play,no superstar player that puts them on the radar and gets the attention of the committee. Don't forget that just 3 weeks ago UConn was projected as a 1 seed and now they should not be ranked at all but teams like them get the nod all the time by writers who know nothing about basketball but have a vote-much like the "committee" .

While they don't have a "superstar" they have 5 guys averaging double figures. Which is crazy, considering we struggle to break 50 some nights

The selection system has been broken by the greed of the Power 5 conferences. NET rankings are pathetic. I'd like to see the Mid-majors boycott the NCAA tournament and see how the ratings drop without a cinderella!


My guess is the sports media would immediately start labeling low level P5 teams as Cinderellas, and be just fine excluding mid majors to relative obscurity.


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RE: Charleston Cracks AP Top 25
(01-31-2023 06:30 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 09:47 AM)Osprey#1 Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 09:25 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 08:48 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I've seen COC play a few times on TV and I was the game here when they beat UNCW . They can't lose another game and get an at large but I don't think they get it either way and might be just another Monday talk team-where they are talked up by everyone and got screwed . They are fun to watch but I don't see anything special about them other than style of play,no superstar player that puts them on the radar and gets the attention of the committee. Don't forget that just 3 weeks ago UConn was projected as a 1 seed and now they should not be ranked at all but teams like them get the nod all the time by writers who know nothing about basketball but have a vote-much like the "committee" .

While they don't have a "superstar" they have 5 guys averaging double figures. Which is crazy, considering we struggle to break 50 some nights

The selection system has been broken by the greed of the Power 5 conferences. NET rankings are pathetic. I'd like to see the Mid-majors boycott the NCAA tournament and see how the ratings drop without a cinderella!


My guess is the sports media would immediately start labeling low level P5 teams as Cinderellas, and be just fine excluding mid majors to relative obscurity.


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Yep

I think there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth for a season

But people will still fill out their brackets, watch, and place bets

It's a tough spot for mid majors because their leverage is minimal
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RE: Charleston Cracks AP Top 25
(01-31-2023 06:30 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 09:47 AM)Osprey#1 Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 09:25 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 08:48 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I've seen COC play a few times on TV and I was the game here when they beat UNCW . They can't lose another game and get an at large but I don't think they get it either way and might be just another Monday talk team-where they are talked up by everyone and got screwed . They are fun to watch but I don't see anything special about them other than style of play,no superstar player that puts them on the radar and gets the attention of the committee. Don't forget that just 3 weeks ago UConn was projected as a 1 seed and now they should not be ranked at all but teams like them get the nod all the time by writers who know nothing about basketball but have a vote-much like the "committee" .

While they don't have a "superstar" they have 5 guys averaging double figures. Which is crazy, considering we struggle to break 50 some nights

The selection system has been broken by the greed of the Power 5 conferences. NET rankings are pathetic. I'd like to see the Mid-majors boycott the NCAA tournament and see how the ratings drop without a cinderella!


My guess is the sports media would immediately start labeling low level P5 teams as Cinderellas, and be just fine excluding mid majors to relative obscurity.


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You are right--they already do that when a P5 team with many losses makes it to the elite 8--but I don't think it has the same cachet. Also, don't you think the first two rounds generate a ton of excitement as folks tune in to see the David-Goliath match-ups?
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RE: Charleston Cracks AP Top 25
(01-31-2023 09:25 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 08:48 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I've seen COC play a few times on TV and I was the game here when they beat UNCW . They can't lose another game and get an at large but I don't think they get it either way and might be just another Monday talk team-where they are talked up by everyone and got screwed . They are fun to watch but I don't see anything special about them other than style of play,no superstar player that puts them on the radar and gets the attention of the committee. Don't forget that just 3 weeks ago UConn was projected as a 1 seed and now they should not be ranked at all but teams like them get the nod all the time by writers who know nothing about basketball but have a vote-much like the "committee" .

While they don't have a "superstar" they have 5 guys averaging double figures. Which is crazy, considering we struggle to break 50 some nights
Very impressive and while I am pulling for UNCW at Trask, COC was really fun to watch. They jack shots at a pace that is all most insane,got a big lead doing it and had to come back to win. They never altered the style at all even when missing shots and falling behind it was the same deal .
I hate it that Ross is injured and I really think that has been a major factor in the play of the team since he went out .
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