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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-25-2022 09:40 AM)emu steve Wrote:  No one has noted that we lose our DC who made adjustments late in the season.

Lest I be wrong we had the same players the last third of the season as we did the first third. We got different coaching from our de facto OC and different schemes from our DC.

As seasoned MAC fans know, the difference between 8 - 4 and say 5 - 7 isn't much. Maybe new schemes which turned a probable 'L" into a "W".

Our DC sucked
And it wasn't him who wanted to change it
Creighton finally got sick of that stupid 4-2-5
It has handicapped us for years and Creighton finally got sick of it

If you want some evidence how stupid his defense was here you go
Jose Ramirez is an absolute BEAST
But
He didn't record a sack until week 5
Guess what happened in week 5 also?
That was the week Creighton MANDATED that our Defense be switched
This idiot was not able to get an ALL-AMERICAN a sack with his useless and crappy schemes

He is lucky Creighton was friends with him and let him finish out his contact

On another note I wanted to say something about Creighton

The biggest thing I saw this year was Creighton acting instead of standing on the sidelines
First he demanded that we switch our defense
Secondly, he realized his play calling was lackluster to say the least and handed that duty to Mike Piatkowski

He grew and thank God he did
It was the only reason we played in a bowl game
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-25-2022 06:06 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 09:40 AM)emu steve Wrote:  No one has noted that we lose our DC who made adjustments late in the season.

Lest I be wrong we had the same players the last third of the season as we did the first third. We got different coaching from our de facto OC and different schemes from our DC.

As seasoned MAC fans know, the difference between 8 - 4 and say 5 - 7 isn't much. Maybe new schemes which turned a probable 'L" into a "W".

Our DC sucked
And it wasn't him who wanted to change it
Creighton finally got sick of that stupid 4-2-5
It has handicapped us for years and Creighton finally got sick of it

If you want some evidence how stupid his defense was here you go
Jose Ramirez is an absolute BEAST
But
He didn't record a sack until week 5
Guess what happened in week 5 also?
That was the week Creighton MANDATED that our Defense be switched
This idiot was not able to get an ALL-AMERICAN a sack with his useless and crappy schemes

He is lucky Creighton was friends with him and let him finish out his contact

On another note I wanted to say something about Creighton

The biggest thing I saw this year was Creighton acting instead of standing on the sidelines
First he demanded that we switch our defense
Secondly, he realized his play calling was lackluster to say the least and handed that duty to Mike Piatkowski

He grew and thank God he did
It was the only reason we played in a bowl game

I agree totally but would be a little more temperate in my assessment of Neathery. The father of the once successful consistent 4-2-5 alignment, Patterson from TCU, lost his job because it became outdated. What worked in 2018 and before clearly did not in 2022. Coaching strategies need to evolve, as even Saban did, when he was forced to dial up his offensive approach.

EMU, like you say, was stuck in a rut and playing the same old, same old game until we ABSOLUTELY got run over by Buffalo and NIU. Those games probably saved the season, Creighton finally got the message and demanded change. You are correct, if we did not change, I don't think we go to a bowl.

Personally, I think Coach has seen the light. He no longer has to "play it safe", his contract longevity allows him to take chances, play with "house money" and this year has proven he would be well advised to do so.

I know that many of you are too young to remember, but the last time we won a bowl game was against a FAR more talented SJSU team. Harkema came out in the wishbone formation, something that heretofore we only used in goal line situations. SJSU did recover but not until the game was over. Change is good.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
Anyone who refers to a guy who has achieved what any of these men have achieved, as an "idiot" is unworthy of any further attention.
Not sure what happened that caused you to make it personal to that low of a level? There's a couple of names on this board that I completely ignore because their opinions are like the yapping of a Chihuahua. You just made the list.
Coach Neal was an integral part of the rise of this program over the last few years. He's no idiot.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-25-2022 10:03 PM)HuffyLegend Wrote:  Anyone who refers to a guy who has achieved what any of these men have achieved, as an "idiot" is unworthy of any further attention.
Not sure what happened that caused you to make it personal to that low of a level? There's a couple of names on this board that I completely ignore because their opinions are like the yapping of a Chihuahua. You just made the list.
Coach Neal was an integral part of the rise of this program over the last few years. He's no idiot.

Agree ! We should be more tactful in choosing our feelings about others on a public forum. Coach Neathery accomplished a lot at EMU and the split is most likely mutually beneficial to both parties!

Thanks Coach Neathery for helping to bring EMU to an upward ascension this past year.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-25-2022 10:03 PM)HuffyLegend Wrote:  Anyone who refers to a guy who has achieved what any of these men have achieved, as an "idiot" is unworthy of any further attention.
Not sure what happened that caused you to make it personal to that low of a level? There's a couple of names on this board that I completely ignore because their opinions are like the yapping of a Chihuahua. You just made the list.
Coach Neal was an integral part of the rise of this program over the last few years. He's no idiot.

(12-25-2022 10:23 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 10:03 PM)HuffyLegend Wrote:  Anyone who refers to a guy who has achieved what any of these men have achieved, as an "idiot" is unworthy of any further attention.
Not sure what happened that caused you to make it personal to that low of a level? There's a couple of names on this board that I completely ignore because their opinions are like the yapping of a Chihuahua. You just made the list.
Coach Neal was an integral part of the rise of this program over the last few years. He's no idiot.

Agree ! We should be more tactful in choosing our feelings about others on a public forum. Coach Neathery accomplished a lot at EMU and the split is most likely mutually beneficial to both parties!

Thanks Coach Neathery for helping to bring EMU to an upward ascension this past year.

I admit my wording could have been better
But what I meant was true
And BTW idiot is far from the worst term I have read on this forum

My problem with him is many things
But the thing that pushed me over the line is this year
He showed he can coach a stellar defense not in the 4-2-5 this year
But since 2018 our defense has always been the problem
Why was it a problem?
Because of the 4-2-5

When we started using the 4-2-5 we rocked the MAC and looked phenomenal
But after 2018 teams had us figured out
Instead of fixing it by changing scheme and making necessary changes, Neal chose to not fix his mistakes
We have had one of the worst defenses in the MAC since 2018 because of this choice

This year he proved he could do other things and be successful with those changes

Sorry for being brash but I don't like sugarcoating things
In the future I will try to appease everyone by toning down my thoughts
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-25-2022 10:23 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 10:03 PM)HuffyLegend Wrote:  Anyone who refers to a guy who has achieved what any of these men have achieved, as an "idiot" is unworthy of any further attention.
Not sure what happened that caused you to make it personal to that low of a level? There's a couple of names on this board that I completely ignore because their opinions are like the yapping of a Chihuahua. You just made the list.
Coach Neal was an integral part of the rise of this program over the last few years. He's no idiot.

Agree ! We should be more tactful in choosing our feelings about others on a public forum. Coach Neathery accomplished a lot at EMU and the split is most likely mutually beneficial to both parties!

Thanks Coach Neathery for helping to bring EMU to an upward ascension this past year.

Yes, there is a thing called decorum and not a good idea to bash our own coaches or players on a public forum.

It is perfectly okay to say, "we had problems with (opponent) gashing us up the middle. Our DT and LBs couldn't stop the run." Likewise saying things like, "we need more depth (at say) DT and LB. Our defense suffers when we have injuries."

One can make an insightful comment without being really negative and personal.
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An early look at the 2023 football season.
Based on the sentiment from the previous comments in this thread it sounds like Neathery may have been asked to retire or at least decided to retire based on having to re-tool his defense. Maybe it's just pure burnout (very understandable if that the case). According to his bio he's only about 52 years old so it's likely that he'll be working again, either in or out of football. Good luck to him.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-25-2022 06:06 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 09:40 AM)emu steve Wrote:  No one has noted that we lose our DC who made adjustments late in the season.

Lest I be wrong we had the same players the last third of the season as we did the first third. We got different coaching from our de facto OC and different schemes from our DC.

As seasoned MAC fans know, the difference between 8 - 4 and say 5 - 7 isn't much. Maybe new schemes which turned a probable 'L" into a "W".

Our DC sucked
And it wasn't him who wanted to change it
Creighton finally got sick of that stupid 4-2-5
It has handicapped us for years and Creighton finally got sick of it

If you want some evidence how stupid his defense was here you go
Jose Ramirez is an absolute BEAST
But
He didn't record a sack until week 5
Guess what happened in week 5 also?
That was the week Creighton MANDATED that our Defense be switched
This idiot was not able to get an ALL-AMERICAN a sack with his useless and crappy schemes

He is lucky Creighton was friends with him and let him finish out his contact

On another note I wanted to say something about Creighton

The biggest thing I saw this year was Creighton acting instead of standing on the sidelines
First he demanded that we switch our defense
Secondly, he realized his play calling was lackluster to say the least and handed that duty to Mike Piatkowski

He grew and thank God he did
It was the only reason we played in a bowl game

So if we are not playing the 4-2-5 anymore what defense are we playing?
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(12-26-2022 09:42 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Based on the sentiment from the previous comments in this thread it sounds like Neathery may have been asked to retire or at least decided to retire based on having to re-tool his defense. Maybe it's just pure burnout (very understandable if that the case). According to his bio he's only about 52 years old so it's likely that he'll be working again, either in or out of football. Good luck to him.

Lets not forget that he was the Associate Head Coach and was nominated a top assistant coach in the country several times. Also he may be retiring for health reasons. I too wish him the best. Whatever differences he and CC may have had its apparent that CC had great love and respect for Ned. I don't think you earn CC's respect and love and friendship unless you are class act.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-26-2022 11:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 06:06 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 09:40 AM)emu steve Wrote:  No one has noted that we lose our DC who made adjustments late in the season.

Lest I be wrong we had the same players the last third of the season as we did the first third. We got different coaching from our de facto OC and different schemes from our DC.

As seasoned MAC fans know, the difference between 8 - 4 and say 5 - 7 isn't much. Maybe new schemes which turned a probable 'L" into a "W".

Our DC sucked
And it wasn't him who wanted to change it
Creighton finally got sick of that stupid 4-2-5
It has handicapped us for years and Creighton finally got sick of it

If you want some evidence how stupid his defense was here you go
Jose Ramirez is an absolute BEAST
But
He didn't record a sack until week 5
Guess what happened in week 5 also?
That was the week Creighton MANDATED that our Defense be switched
This idiot was not able to get an ALL-AMERICAN a sack with his useless and crappy schemes

He is lucky Creighton was friends with him and let him finish out his contact

On another note I wanted to say something about Creighton

The biggest thing I saw this year was Creighton acting instead of standing on the sidelines
First he demanded that we switch our defense
Secondly, he realized his play calling was lackluster to say the least and handed that duty to Mike Piatkowski

He grew and thank God he did
It was the only reason we played in a bowl game

So if we are not playing the 4-2-5 anymore what defense are we playing?

I don't know what defense they will be using in the future
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 11:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 06:06 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 09:40 AM)emu steve Wrote:  No one has noted that we lose our DC who made adjustments late in the season.

Lest I be wrong we had the same players the last third of the season as we did the first third. We got different coaching from our de facto OC and different schemes from our DC.

As seasoned MAC fans know, the difference between 8 - 4 and say 5 - 7 isn't much. Maybe new schemes which turned a probable 'L" into a "W".

Our DC sucked
And it wasn't him who wanted to change it
Creighton finally got sick of that stupid 4-2-5
It has handicapped us for years and Creighton finally got sick of it

If you want some evidence how stupid his defense was here you go
Jose Ramirez is an absolute BEAST
But
He didn't record a sack until week 5
Guess what happened in week 5 also?
That was the week Creighton MANDATED that our Defense be switched
This idiot was not able to get an ALL-AMERICAN a sack with his useless and crappy schemes

He is lucky Creighton was friends with him and let him finish out his contact

On another note I wanted to say something about Creighton

The biggest thing I saw this year was Creighton acting instead of standing on the sidelines
First he demanded that we switch our defense
Secondly, he realized his play calling was lackluster to say the least and handed that duty to Mike Piatkowski

He grew and thank God he did
It was the only reason we played in a bowl game

So if we are not playing the 4-2-5 anymore what defense are we playing?

I don't know what defense they will be using in the future

C.C. may not know what defense they will be using in the future.

Fans one week after the last season ended come up with a ton of questions (e.g., can we beat TOL next year? what defense?, etc.) and we don't know lineups (transfers come and go), spring ball is months ahead, spring and fall injuries will happen, etc.

We see this in politics, economics, stock market, etc. Folks want to make long range (say 6 - 12 months for economics and the stock market, and say 1 - 2 years in politics) and those predictions are terribly unreliable. This is how the pros missed S&P in 2022. Half were predicting S&P 500 at say 5,000+. As this Tweet indicates it was 3,800 last week. Like being wrong by more than 20%. UGH!!! When inflation started to rise and the Fed started raising interest rates, things went to hell. https://twitter.com/BobPisani/status/160...Q_fMohBI0g

This thread is VERY HELPFUL as it sets a BASELINE for us to work from.

From this 'baseline' we will add players. We will lose players (thru transfer, injury, etc.). Based on those additions and deletions we can modify what is in this thread.

I would also like to suggest that C.C. needs to know who else may transfer before he completes his 2023 class in February. So far our losses have not been problematic.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-25-2022 10:54 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 10:03 PM)HuffyLegend Wrote:  Anyone who refers to a guy who has achieved what any of these men have achieved, as an "idiot" is unworthy of any further attention.
Not sure what happened that caused you to make it personal to that low of a level? There's a couple of names on this board that I completely ignore because their opinions are like the yapping of a Chihuahua. You just made the list.
Coach Neal was an integral part of the rise of this program over the last few years. He's no idiot.

(12-25-2022 10:23 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 10:03 PM)HuffyLegend Wrote:  Anyone who refers to a guy who has achieved what any of these men have achieved, as an "idiot" is unworthy of any further attention.
Not sure what happened that caused you to make it personal to that low of a level? There's a couple of names on this board that I completely ignore because their opinions are like the yapping of a Chihuahua. You just made the list.
Coach Neal was an integral part of the rise of this program over the last few years. He's no idiot.

Agree ! We should be more tactful in choosing our feelings about others on a public forum. Coach Neathery accomplished a lot at EMU and the split is most likely mutually beneficial to both parties!

Thanks Coach Neathery for helping to bring EMU to an upward ascension this past year.

I admit my wording could have been better
But what I meant was true
And BTW idiot is far from the worst term I have read on this forum

My problem with him is many things
But the thing that pushed me over the line is this year
He showed he can coach a stellar defense not in the 4-2-5 this year
But since 2018 our defense has always been the problem
Why was it a problem?
Because of the 4-2-5

When we started using the 4-2-5 we rocked the MAC and looked phenomenal
But after 2018 teams had us figured out
Instead of fixing it by changing scheme and making necessary changes, Neal chose to not fix his mistakes
We have had one of the worst defenses in the MAC since 2018 because of this choice

This year he proved he could do other things and be successful with those changes

Sorry for being brash but I don't like sugarcoating things
In the future I will try to appease everyone by toning down my thoughts

Don't tone it down. Geez some of you are soft. Edified didn't go after his family or make a threat. He called him an idiot for believing in a trash defensive scheme that wasn't going to work. The fact that CC had to step in for anything to change is what is upsetting about Neathery. I've been highly critical of him and rightfully so when we gave up 50 to Buffalo. (TJ Lang was even tweeting about the defensive scheme that it was garbage). No one is wishing ill will on the guy but c'mon, stop being so triggered.

The focus now will be to get the right man in charge to call plays on either side of the ball. We have the talent and a ton of momentum, we can really accelerate now!
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-26-2022 02:31 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 10:54 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 10:03 PM)HuffyLegend Wrote:  Anyone who refers to a guy who has achieved what any of these men have achieved, as an "idiot" is unworthy of any further attention.
Not sure what happened that caused you to make it personal to that low of a level? There's a couple of names on this board that I completely ignore because their opinions are like the yapping of a Chihuahua. You just made the list.
Coach Neal was an integral part of the rise of this program over the last few years. He's no idiot.

(12-25-2022 10:23 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 10:03 PM)HuffyLegend Wrote:  Anyone who refers to a guy who has achieved what any of these men have achieved, as an "idiot" is unworthy of any further attention.
Not sure what happened that caused you to make it personal to that low of a level? There's a couple of names on this board that I completely ignore because their opinions are like the yapping of a Chihuahua. You just made the list.
Coach Neal was an integral part of the rise of this program over the last few years. He's no idiot.

Agree ! We should be more tactful in choosing our feelings about others on a public forum. Coach Neathery accomplished a lot at EMU and the split is most likely mutually beneficial to both parties!

Thanks Coach Neathery for helping to bring EMU to an upward ascension this past year.

I admit my wording could have been better
But what I meant was true
And BTW idiot is far from the worst term I have read on this forum

My problem with him is many things
But the thing that pushed me over the line is this year
He showed he can coach a stellar defense not in the 4-2-5 this year
But since 2018 our defense has always been the problem
Why was it a problem?
Because of the 4-2-5

When we started using the 4-2-5 we rocked the MAC and looked phenomenal
But after 2018 teams had us figured out
Instead of fixing it by changing scheme and making necessary changes, Neal chose to not fix his mistakes
We have had one of the worst defenses in the MAC since 2018 because of this choice

This year he proved he could do other things and be successful with those changes

Sorry for being brash but I don't like sugarcoating things
In the future I will try to appease everyone by toning down my thoughts

Don't tone it down. Geez some of you are soft. Edified didn't go after his family or make a threat. He called him an idiot for believing in a trash defensive scheme that wasn't going to work. The fact that CC had to step in for anything to change is what is upsetting about Neathery. I've been highly critical of him and rightfully so when we gave up 50 to Buffalo. (TJ Lang was even tweeting about the defensive scheme that it was garbage). No one is wishing ill will on the guy but c'mon, stop being so triggered.

The focus now will be to get the right man in charge to call plays on either side of the ball. We have the talent and a ton of momentum, we can really accelerate now!

We are all on the same team here for sure. I am sure that I called Neal worse names after Buffalo and NIU, but our defense did improve, and I deeply appreciate that. Time to move on.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 11:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 06:06 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 09:40 AM)emu steve Wrote:  No one has noted that we lose our DC who made adjustments late in the season.

Lest I be wrong we had the same players the last third of the season as we did the first third. We got different coaching from our de facto OC and different schemes from our DC.

As seasoned MAC fans know, the difference between 8 - 4 and say 5 - 7 isn't much. Maybe new schemes which turned a probable 'L" into a "W".

Our DC sucked
And it wasn't him who wanted to change it
Creighton finally got sick of that stupid 4-2-5
It has handicapped us for years and Creighton finally got sick of it

If you want some evidence how stupid his defense was here you go
Jose Ramirez is an absolute BEAST
But
He didn't record a sack until week 5
Guess what happened in week 5 also?
That was the week Creighton MANDATED that our Defense be switched
This idiot was not able to get an ALL-AMERICAN a sack with his useless and crappy schemes

He is lucky Creighton was friends with him and let him finish out his contact

On another note I wanted to say something about Creighton

The biggest thing I saw this year was Creighton acting instead of standing on the sidelines
First he demanded that we switch our defense
Secondly, he realized his play calling was lackluster to say the least and handed that duty to Mike Piatkowski

He grew and thank God he did
It was the only reason we played in a bowl game

So if we are not playing the 4-2-5 anymore what defense are we playing?

I don't know what defense they will be using in the future

But the personnel on the roster are configured to play a 4-2-5which means depending on the defense you could have too many DBs and not enough LBs etc.forcexampleca 4-3-4.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-26-2022 09:57 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 11:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 06:06 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 09:40 AM)emu steve Wrote:  No one has noted that we lose our DC who made adjustments late in the season.

Lest I be wrong we had the same players the last third of the season as we did the first third. We got different coaching from our de facto OC and different schemes from our DC.

As seasoned MAC fans know, the difference between 8 - 4 and say 5 - 7 isn't much. Maybe new schemes which turned a probable 'L" into a "W".

Our DC sucked
And it wasn't him who wanted to change it
Creighton finally got sick of that stupid 4-2-5
It has handicapped us for years and Creighton finally got sick of it

If you want some evidence how stupid his defense was here you go
Jose Ramirez is an absolute BEAST
But
He didn't record a sack until week 5
Guess what happened in week 5 also?
That was the week Creighton MANDATED that our Defense be switched
This idiot was not able to get an ALL-AMERICAN a sack with his useless and crappy schemes

He is lucky Creighton was friends with him and let him finish out his contact

On another note I wanted to say something about Creighton

The biggest thing I saw this year was Creighton acting instead of standing on the sidelines
First he demanded that we switch our defense
Secondly, he realized his play calling was lackluster to say the least and handed that duty to Mike Piatkowski

He grew and thank God he did
It was the only reason we played in a bowl game

So if we are not playing the 4-2-5 anymore what defense are we playing?

I don't know what defense they will be using in the future

But the personnel on the roster are configured to play a 4-2-5which means depending on the defense you could have too many DBs and not enough LBs etc.forcexampleca 4-3-4.

If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the eagles running a 4-3, although I'd love to see a 3-4. As 79 commented personnel will dictate a lot. Having been a 4-2 team, the Eagles have recruited for a 4-man front, and they have arguably had some success in setting DE's outside for pressure. Switching to a 4-3 means the only personnel issue is do you have three LB's you can count on. With Sparacio and Kline you have two. And I'm sure one of our current backups or a potential transfer could step into the third slot.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-27-2022 03:51 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 09:57 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 11:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 06:06 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Our DC sucked
And it wasn't him who wanted to change it
Creighton finally got sick of that stupid 4-2-5
It has handicapped us for years and Creighton finally got sick of it

If you want some evidence how stupid his defense was here you go
Jose Ramirez is an absolute BEAST
But
He didn't record a sack until week 5
Guess what happened in week 5 also?
That was the week Creighton MANDATED that our Defense be switched
This idiot was not able to get an ALL-AMERICAN a sack with his useless and crappy schemes

He is lucky Creighton was friends with him and let him finish out his contact

On another note I wanted to say something about Creighton

The biggest thing I saw this year was Creighton acting instead of standing on the sidelines
First he demanded that we switch our defense
Secondly, he realized his play calling was lackluster to say the least and handed that duty to Mike Piatkowski

He grew and thank God he did
It was the only reason we played in a bowl game

So if we are not playing the 4-2-5 anymore what defense are we playing?

I don't know what defense they will be using in the future

But the personnel on the roster are configured to play a 4-2-5which means depending on the defense you could have too many DBs and not enough LBs etc.forcexampleca 4-3-4.

If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the eagles running a 4-3, although I'd love to see a 3-4. As 79 commented personnel will dictate a lot. Having been a 4-2 team, the Eagles have recruited for a 4-man front, and they have arguably had some success in setting DE's outside for pressure. Switching to a 4-3 means the only personnel issue is do you have three LB's you can count on. With Sparacio and Kline you have two. And I'm sure one of our current backups or a potential transfer could step into the third slot.

Bingo. Personnel dictates what schemes a team plays on offense and defense.

Sometimes I think fans think of schemes as something within a coordinator's DNA. Truth be told we barely had enough depth at LB to run a 4 - 2 and certainly NOT a 4 - 3 or heaven no to a 3 - 4.

The question is: Are there any FBS ready LBs in the transfer portal interested in EMU?

Are Sparcio and Kline good fits for a 4 - 3? Who plays the middle? Are both best as inside backers in a 4 - 2? Or inside backers in a 3 - 4?
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-27-2022 03:51 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 09:57 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 11:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-25-2022 06:06 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  Our DC sucked
And it wasn't him who wanted to change it
Creighton finally got sick of that stupid 4-2-5
It has handicapped us for years and Creighton finally got sick of it

If you want some evidence how stupid his defense was here you go
Jose Ramirez is an absolute BEAST
But
He didn't record a sack until week 5
Guess what happened in week 5 also?
That was the week Creighton MANDATED that our Defense be switched
This idiot was not able to get an ALL-AMERICAN a sack with his useless and crappy schemes

He is lucky Creighton was friends with him and let him finish out his contact

On another note I wanted to say something about Creighton

The biggest thing I saw this year was Creighton acting instead of standing on the sidelines
First he demanded that we switch our defense
Secondly, he realized his play calling was lackluster to say the least and handed that duty to Mike Piatkowski

He grew and thank God he did
It was the only reason we played in a bowl game

So if we are not playing the 4-2-5 anymore what defense are we playing?

I don't know what defense they will be using in the future

But the personnel on the roster are configured to play a 4-2-5which means depending on the defense you could have too many DBs and not enough LBs etc.forcexampleca 4-3-4.

If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the eagles running a 4-3, although I'd love to see a 3-4. As 79 commented personnel will dictate a lot. Having been a 4-2 team, the Eagles have recruited for a 4-man front, and they have arguably had some success in setting DE's outside for pressure. Switching to a 4-3 means the only personnel issue is do you have three LB's you can count on. With Sparacio and Kline you have two. And I'm sure one of our current backups or a potential transfer could step into the third slot.

They've been playing a 4-2-5 for years, right? Hoying seemed to play a hybrid S/CB/LB role during his time. I think that's what many teams play these days rather than expecting slower LB's to cover more athletic TE's and running QB's. I doubt anyone lines up in 4-3 for a whole set of downs anymore. If anyone runs a true 4-3, they probably have an undersized LB in for coverage.
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
When can i buy season tix?
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
BTW, our 2022 losses came at the hands of Louisiana, Buffalo, Toledo, etc.

Notice a pattern here???
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RE: An early look at the 2023 football season.
(12-27-2022 04:58 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  
(12-27-2022 03:51 PM)cidbearit Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 09:57 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 12:19 PM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  
(12-26-2022 11:35 AM)emu79 Wrote:  So if we are not playing the 4-2-5 anymore what defense are we playing?

I don't know what defense they will be using in the future

But the personnel on the roster are configured to play a 4-2-5which means depending on the defense you could have too many DBs and not enough LBs etc.forcexampleca 4-3-4.

If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the eagles running a 4-3, although I'd love to see a 3-4. As 79 commented personnel will dictate a lot. Having been a 4-2 team, the Eagles have recruited for a 4-man front, and they have arguably had some success in setting DE's outside for pressure. Switching to a 4-3 means the only personnel issue is do you have three LB's you can count on. With Sparacio and Kline you have two. And I'm sure one of our current backups or a potential transfer could step into the third slot.

They've been playing a 4-2-5 for years, right? Hoying seemed to play a hybrid S/CB/LB role during his time. I think that's what many teams play these days rather than expecting slower LB's to cover more athletic TE's and running QB's. I doubt anyone lines up in 4-3 for a whole set of downs anymore. If anyone runs a true 4-3, they probably have an undersized LB in for coverage.

The 4-2-5 is the nickel defense that nearly all teams run on third-and-long situations, Neal just deployed it on most downs like Patterson did successfully before he got canned at TCU. Our position recruiting budgets reflected such as a result. As Luckey previously pointed out, we simply had a surplus of DB's and too few LB's. Like Pop's Howe pointed out, that needs to change.
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