(04-08-2024 04:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-07-2024 06:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 06:28 PM)OrangemanRich Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 05:40 PM)lollaperuna Wrote:  

(04-02-2024 02:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  Adding UConn would only make the decision to leave a lot easier for some schools.

Nothing personal against UCONN, but if we lose 2 football brands then I’m pretty sure they will be looking for replacements that measure up in football. That’s why I voted wait, because the best move would be to poach from the Big 12

Makes sense.
Also makes sense that if UConn keeps winning hoops national championships, those drum beats are gonna become deafening.
If their Men wins this tourney, they move to 3rd championships all time, ahead of Duke.
And that would also give them 2 more than Kansas. And Kansas football is SO much better?
If UConn Women wins this tourney, that puts them in 1st by a 1/3 (12 to Volunteers’ 8).
Anyone see the Iowa/LSU viewership #s from the other night?
Women’s hoops growth is real.
Really, depending on this year’s final tourney results, UConn belongs in the room of the bluest of hoops blue bloods.
And if FSU/Clemson are out, that’s 2 less no votes.

For sure, UConn is as much of a basketball blue blood as Kansas. But I think Kansas football is significantly better than UConn football.

Not that Kansas football is great, but UConn football is really lacking, in my opinion.

Let’s consider what the ACC would demand if ESPN pushes for UConn. The ACC would ask for contract renewal as well as an additional full share for UConn from ESPN. Then the ACC would offer UConn a similar deal as SMU’s, which means zero Tier 1 money for 9 years. In addition, the ACC may also request no football participation for certain years. For example, UConn may play four or five ACC games for the first seven years before fully joining football.

I would accept UConn under these conditions but some people may still complain.

Kansas is a blueblood, the school has had sustained success in basketball over a long period of time. UConn is akin to nouveau riche.

You need to wash your mouth out with soap with all of this UConn talk. Ain't gonna happen.

One may not consider Uconn a blueblood program but they have been the most successful basketball program on the court in the last 25 years. Duke won their first championship in 1991. Uconn won their first 8 years later in 1999. Since then they have won 6 championships in 25 years while Duke has won 5 in 33 years. Why would Uconn not be a blue blood and Duke is? Uconn wins a championship over 90% of the time they make a final four. Thats 6 championships out of 7 final fours. What Uconn has accomplished in basketball is simply remarkable.

I dont want anyone to think that Im a proponent of Uconn. Im just stating reality. They may have the best coach in all of college basketball, even though he acts like a chimpanzee on the sidelines. Uconn fans use to aspire their program to be like Syracuse. Now its pretty much the other way around. I cant stand the fact that you guys make me have to defend Uconn.

(04-09-2024 10:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 07:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 07:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:47 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 04:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  
Kansas is a blueblood, the school has had sustained success in basketball over a long period of time. UConn is akin to nouveau riche.

You need to wash your mouth out with soap with all of this UConn talk. Ain't gonna happen.

UConn just won another championship.

As I said, UConn is a tough sell, but their chance is not zero, as you seem to believe. In fact, I think ESPN would like UConn the most (or dislike them the least) among non-power schools.

Weren’t you very dismissive of the idea of getting Stanford and Cal? How did that turn out? I won’t rule out UConn.

I think ESPN might have to give more than just pro rata for UConn, but I wouldn't rule them out altogether. It's been over a decade since the lawsuit, and most of the players have since retired or moved on. Tough sell, but not zero% - as you said.

No school will be offered more than pro rata, if even that much.

3 schools just got pro rata. What are you thinking?

The conference got paid pro rata for three schools, but the schools are not getting to keep all of the money. Big difference.
ESPN still owes the ACC on more addition at pro rata, whether the joining school gets to keep all or just a portion remains to be seen.

ESPN has leverage. All ESPN has to say to the ACC is that they would need UConn to extend that contract.

Do I think ESPN would want UConn that much? Probably not.

But I do think ESPN would like UConn more than any other G5 / Pac-2 schools.

In my view, ESPN would prefer a blueblood basketball + horrible football combo (UConn) over mediocre basketball + mediocre football (USF, Tulane, etc.). Of course, they would absolutely prefer blueblood football programs, but none are available.

ESPN won’t broadcast often mediocre football games on ESPN/ABC. But they would for UConn basketball.

(04-09-2024 12:10 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ESPN has leverage. All ESPN has to say to the ACC is that they would need UConn to extend that contract.

Do I think ESPN would want UConn that much? Probably not.

But I do think ESPN would like UConn more than any other G5 / Pac-2 schools.

In my view, ESPN would prefer a blueblood basketball + horrible football combo (UConn) over mediocre basketball + mediocre football (USF, Tulane, etc.). Of course, they would absolutely prefer blueblood football programs, but none are available.

ESPN won’t broadcast often mediocre football games on ESPN/ABC. But they would for UConn basketball.

When we had divisions, the prospect of UConn, Syracuse, BC, in the Atlantic was anathema to NC State, Clemson, and FSU. And that is how it would have gone if UConn had been voted into the conference over Louisville. Expansion and no divisions means the odds of three games in the Northeast in a single season are zero.

The football side of UConn is more digestible when balanced against SMU, USF, Tulane, and more of GT and VT, etc. etc.

Maryland did not leave the ACC over money.

1. They left because they Hell hated UNC and Duke.
2. Their System President wanted MD with Ohio State.
3. Their System President want to use MD to pull UM in Baltimore under UMCP
4. They knew what the vote would be on divisions and that they would be in a northern division without Pitt.
5. They knew they could bum cash off the Big 10 to fill in the gap created by the Administration killing donation by comingling donated athletic funds.

I takes more than a pull, it also takes a push to leave.

(04-09-2024 02:31 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 12:10 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ESPN has leverage. All ESPN has to say to the ACC is that they would need UConn to extend that contract.

Do I think ESPN would want UConn that much? Probably not.

But I do think ESPN would like UConn more than any other G5 / Pac-2 schools.

In my view, ESPN would prefer a blueblood basketball + horrible football combo (UConn) over mediocre basketball + mediocre football (USF, Tulane, etc.). Of course, they would absolutely prefer blueblood football programs, but none are available.

ESPN won’t broadcast often mediocre football games on ESPN/ABC. But they would for UConn basketball.

When we had divisions, the prospect of UConn, Syracuse, BC, in the Atlantic was anathema to NC State, Clemson, and FSU. And that is how it would have gone if UConn had been voted into the conference over Louisville. Expansion and no divisions means the odds of three games in the Northeast in a single season are zero.

The football side of UConn is more digestible when balanced against SMU, USF, Tulane, and more of GT and VT, etc. etc.

Maryland did not leave the ACC over money.

1. They left because they Hell hated UNC and Duke.
2. Their System President wanted MD with Ohio State.
3. Their System President want to use MD to pull UM in Baltimore under UMCP
4. They knew what the vote would be on divisions and that they would be in a northern division without Pitt.
5. They knew they could bum cash off the Big 10 to fill in the gap created by the Administration killing donation by comingling donated athletic funds.

I takes more than a pull, it also takes a push to leave.

FSU and Clemson definitely won't want UConn. Many other schools would not favor UConn either.

But let me ask you this question. If given the chance to choose again, would Yormark opt for UConn or Cincy/UCF/Houston?

In 2021, UConn's value was lower than that of the former AAC schools, but now I think UConn is at least better than one of the Eastern trio.

(04-11-2024 06:04 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 02:31 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-09-2024 12:10 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ESPN has leverage. All ESPN has to say to the ACC is that they would need UConn to extend that contract.

Do I think ESPN would want UConn that much? Probably not.

But I do think ESPN would like UConn more than any other G5 / Pac-2 schools.

In my view, ESPN would prefer a blueblood basketball + horrible football combo (UConn) over mediocre basketball + mediocre football (USF, Tulane, etc.). Of course, they would absolutely prefer blueblood football programs, but none are available.

ESPN won’t broadcast often mediocre football games on ESPN/ABC. But they would for UConn basketball.

When we had divisions, the prospect of UConn, Syracuse, BC, in the Atlantic was anathema to NC State, Clemson, and FSU. And that is how it would have gone if UConn had been voted into the conference over Louisville. Expansion and no divisions means the odds of three games in the Northeast in a single season are zero.

The football side of UConn is more digestible when balanced against SMU, USF, Tulane, and more of GT and VT, etc. etc.

Maryland did not leave the ACC over money.

1. They left because they Hell hated UNC and Duke.
2. Their System President wanted MD with Ohio State.
3. Their System President want to use MD to pull UM in Baltimore under UMCP
4. They knew what the vote would be on divisions and that they would be in a northern division without Pitt.
5. They knew they could bum cash off the Big 10 to fill in the gap created by the Administration killing donation by comingling donated athletic funds.

I takes more than a pull, it also takes a push to leave.

FSU and Clemson definitely won't want UConn. Many other schools would not favor UConn either.

But let me ask you this question. If given the chance to choose again, would Yormark opt for UConn or Cincy/UCF/Houston?

In 2021, UConn's value was lower than that of the former AAC schools, but now I think UConn is at least better than one of the Eastern trio.

Geography matters. UConn would be wise to wait for a ACC invite which I think will eventually come.

(04-09-2024 12:10 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ESPN has leverage. All ESPN has to say to the ACC is that they would need UConn to extend that contract.

Do I think ESPN would want UConn that much? Probably not.

But I do think ESPN would like UConn more than any other G5 / Pac-2 schools.

In my view, ESPN would prefer a blueblood basketball + horrible football combo (UConn) over mediocre basketball + mediocre football (USF, Tulane, etc.). Of course, they would absolutely prefer blueblood football programs, but none are available.

ESPN won’t broadcast often mediocre football games on ESPN/ABC. But they would for UConn basketball.

Perhaps another mentionable, with considerations to the Big East's FOX deal. For UConn to join ACC, that would have to be considered a loss to FOX.