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(12-21-2022 02:47 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
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(12-21-2022 10:55 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Ramy, I value your perspective too; however, I believe if the educated basketball community took the time to comment, the majority would agree that Emoni took an ill advised shot with the game in the balance. Heath commented that the team has been working on closing out games and certainly Emoni’s shot was not part of the plan. Great players make mistakes too.

This might be one of those argument examples that Steve pointed out where I am hearing one thing, and you saying another.

My take: Luckey says bench Emoni-> BobW says that makes no sense-> Luckey says yes it does because Emoni took a bad shot.

Maybe there is more to what you are saying, or maybe I am misinterpreting what you are saying. I apologize if so. I agree it was an ill advised shot, but not nearly to the extent you are suggesting. Certainly not something to bench your best player over.

Ramy,

Emoni is a very good 18 yo but he’s not our best player. I’m merely suggesting that the players who can guard their men get some starting time opportunities. Emoni should play but Heath could consider having him come off the bench until his defensive prowess matches his offensive prowess.

BTW, Noah is this teams best player hands down but he’s being too unselfish right now.

And if that is your original point, it is wrong again. For Coach Heath to send a message on defense, he would be playing only 4 players (Golson, Noah, Lovejoy, and Tyson- and I can still give solid critiques of the defense of all four). Emoni Bates defense is bad, but literally almost the whole team is also so. Things are improving defensively for everyone- albeit for each it is to varying degrees. So the same response stands: if everyone is playing bad defense, it makes no sense to limit the minutes of your leading scorer (19.4 ppg) and leading rebounder (5.7 rpg). You are overthinking it, as BobW says…
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(12-22-2022 07:54 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-21-2022 02:47 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(12-21-2022 12:38 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-21-2022 10:55 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Ramy, I value your perspective too; however, I believe if the educated basketball community took the time to comment, the majority would agree that Emoni took an ill advised shot with the game in the balance. Heath commented that the team has been working on closing out games and certainly Emoni’s shot was not part of the plan. Great players make mistakes too.

This might be one of those argument examples that Steve pointed out where I am hearing one thing, and you saying another.

My take: Luckey says bench Emoni-> BobW says that makes no sense-> Luckey says yes it does because Emoni took a bad shot.

Maybe there is more to what you are saying, or maybe I am misinterpreting what you are saying. I apologize if so. I agree it was an ill advised shot, but not nearly to the extent you are suggesting. Certainly not something to bench your best player over.

Ramy,

Emoni is a very good 18 yo but he’s not our best player. I’m merely suggesting that the players who can guard their men get some starting time opportunities. Emoni should play but Heath could consider having him come off the bench until his defensive prowess matches his offensive prowess.

BTW, Noah is this teams best player hands down but he’s being too unselfish right now.

And if that is your original point, it is wrong again. For Coach Heath to send a message on defense, he would be playing only 4 players (Golson, Noah, Lovejoy, and Tyson- and I can still give solid critiques of the defense of all four). Emoni Bates defense is bad, but literally almost the whole team is also so. Things are improving defensively for everyone- albeit for each it is to varying degrees. So the same response stands: if everyone is playing bad defense, it makes no sense to limit the minutes of your leading scorer (19.4 ppg) and leading rebounder (5.7 rpg). You are overthinking it, as BobW says…

I agree that EMU's defense is bad but I place that more on the HC than the players. I do so because Heath refuses to have a big guard the rim and to have his perimeter players reduce the number of opponent three balls attempted. As such, but for Randle, EMU's hdefensive ratings are far to hight.

EMU was better defensively last season when Njie played as teams avoided going inside against him. I'm not saying they shouldn't have, but they did chose not to.

EMU best defensive player is Randle by far, but he's not played because he fouls excessively (so does everyone else but Jihad) when he does play. But that is more offset by his defensive rating that indicates that teams avoid him when he's on the court. Since he rarely shoots to ball, It's my opinion he should be paired with Jihad if Jihad can continue to score in double figures.

When evaluating who should be on the court, I look to see who the scorers are, but also look at who has a higher offensive rating than defensive rating. EMU has 5 players who have that-Jihad, Billingsley, Golson, Getter, and Rice. If Jihad continues to play as he did in the last game, he should help EMU's defense.

I next look to see even if a player is underwater comparing his offense to defense, and whether the margin between offensive and defensive rating is small. Bates, Acuff, and Lovejoy are in that category.

Noah's defense is comparable to other players, but his offensive rating is lower due his not shooting as well as he did last season on two's, not shooting enough three's, and while his turnover rate is down from last season, his foul rate is 30 percent higher. He's starting to cut down even further on his turnovers and foul rate. He could be EMU's best perimeter defensive player if he makes more steals and fouls less.

Regardless of ratings, Heath has to put scorers like Bates, Acuff, Noah, and Jihad on the court and he does that.
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(12-22-2022 01:27 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Thank you, Miggy! That is an impressive post. While I don’t agree with everything your data is saying, I do recognize the overall/general picture.

Luckey, as I said before: If all else is equal (ie, everyone is bad at defense) why reduce the minutes of your leading scorer and rebounder? There is only one absolute truth of course, everyone perceives it a little differently. So everyone will come up with different solutions depending on how they perceive the problem. But your suggestion to pull Emoni Bates from the starting lineup is a real outlier.
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(12-22-2022 01:43 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 01:27 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Thank you, Miggy! That is an impressive post. While I don’t agree with everything your data is saying, I do recognize the overall/general picture.

Luckey, as I said before: If all else is equal (ie, everyone is bad at defense) why reduce the minutes of your leading scorer and rebounder? There is only one absolute truth of course, everyone perceives it a little differently. So everyone will come up with different solutions depending on how they perceive the problem. But your suggestion to pull Emoni Bates from the starting lineup is a real outlier.

Everyone is making good points. There's no right answer. Want to get the right combination of players on the court. But when there are glaring problems that go beyond players like opponents making a high percentage of their shots, the HC has to address that.
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(12-22-2022 01:43 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 01:27 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Thank you, Miggy! That is an impressive post. While I don’t agree with everything your data is saying, I do recognize the overall/general picture.

Luckey, as I said before: If all else is equal (ie, everyone is bad at defense) why reduce the minutes of your leading scorer and rebounder? There is only one absolute truth of course, everyone perceives it a little differently. So everyone will come up with different solutions depending on how they perceive the problem. But your suggestion to pull Emoni Bates from the starting lineup is a real outlier.

Everyone is making good points. There's no right answer.

But when opponents are scoring an astounding 81.3 ppg against EMU, and virtually all other teams in the nation are scoring far less against their opponents, Heath has to address that. As EMU defensive problems go beyond it's players.

But I'm an eternal optimist and hope Heath can come up with solutions to EMU's porous defense, and hope Jihad may help turn the tide.
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(12-23-2022 09:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Tr...00633433_1

I think a “C” is fair midterm grade especially given the rational the author is using: Emoni Bates is scoring effectively but his team is not winning (as well as the off court distraction). Hopefully Emoni’s team is winning by the end of finals.
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(12-22-2022 04:50 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 01:43 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 01:27 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Thank you, Miggy! That is an impressive post. While I don’t agree with everything your data is saying, I do recognize the overall/general picture.

Luckey, as I said before: If all else is equal (ie, everyone is bad at defense) why reduce the minutes of your leading scorer and rebounder? There is only one absolute truth of course, everyone perceives it a little differently. So everyone will come up with different solutions depending on how they perceive the problem. But your suggestion to pull Emoni Bates from the starting lineup is a real outlier.

Everyone is making good points. There's no right answer.

But when opponents are scoring an astounding 81.3 ppg against EMU, and virtually all other teams in the nation are scoring far less against their opponents, Heath has to address that. As EMU defensive problems go beyond it's players.

But I'm an eternal optimist and hope Heath can come up with solutions to EMU's porous defense, and hope Jihad may help turn the tide.

Well said, Miggy! Did Noah make it back home? If you see/talk to him, let him know how impressive his passing game is looking this season!! (Something I think he should keep exploring because not many have that kind of natural touch on the pass that he is showing. I think a next step for his passing would be to better visualize and pass to the open spaces- that was something his brother Monty did very well, but isn’t something that will come naturally to everyone either. Just some random thoughts, hope I am not overstepping by sharing my perspective)
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(12-23-2022 03:49 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 04:50 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 01:43 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 01:27 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Thank you, Miggy! That is an impressive post. While I don’t agree with everything your data is saying, I do recognize the overall/general picture.

Luckey, as I said before: If all else is equal (ie, everyone is bad at defense) why reduce the minutes of your leading scorer and rebounder? There is only one absolute truth of course, everyone perceives it a little differently. So everyone will come up with different solutions depending on how they perceive the problem. But your suggestion to pull Emoni Bates from the starting lineup is a real outlier.

Everyone is making good points. There's no right answer.

But when opponents are scoring an astounding 81.3 ppg against EMU, and virtually all other teams in the nation are scoring far less against their opponents, Heath has to address that. As EMU defensive problems go beyond it's players.

But I'm an eternal optimist and hope Heath can come up with solutions to EMU's porous defense, and hope Jihad may help turn the tide.

Well said, Miggy! Did Noah make it back home? If you see/talk to him, let him know how impressive his passing game is looking this season!! (Something I think he should keep exploring because not many have that kind of natural touch on the pass that he is showing. I think a next step for his passing would be to better visualize and pass to the open spaces- that was something his brother Monty did very well, but isn’t something that will come naturally to everyone either. Just some random thoughts, hope I am not overstepping by sharing my perspective)

Your knowledgeable of bb is very high and any advice you provide is always welcome.

Noah's hand is fine. I'll pass on your comments and suggestions regarding his passing game.

I'll be at Monty's work-out tomorrow. I've also loved watching how he took that extra moment to allow the recipient to get open before delivering his pass.

I believe he leaves for Puerta Rico in January to start training for the season. He's excited that the Grises de Humacao's General manager and recently retired NBA player JJ Barea traded a first round pick to get him. They've also signed John Stockton's son, and he'll be rejoining his EMU teammate D.Spottsville.
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(12-23-2022 04:06 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(12-23-2022 03:49 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 04:50 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 01:43 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 01:27 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Thank you, Miggy! That is an impressive post. While I don’t agree with everything your data is saying, I do recognize the overall/general picture.

Luckey, as I said before: If all else is equal (ie, everyone is bad at defense) why reduce the minutes of your leading scorer and rebounder? There is only one absolute truth of course, everyone perceives it a little differently. So everyone will come up with different solutions depending on how they perceive the problem. But your suggestion to pull Emoni Bates from the starting lineup is a real outlier.

Everyone is making good points. There's no right answer.

But when opponents are scoring an astounding 81.3 ppg against EMU, and virtually all other teams in the nation are scoring far less against their opponents, Heath has to address that. As EMU defensive problems go beyond it's players.

But I'm an eternal optimist and hope Heath can come up with solutions to EMU's porous defense, and hope Jihad may help turn the tide.

Well said, Miggy! Did Noah make it back home? If you see/talk to him, let him know how impressive his passing game is looking this season!! (Something I think he should keep exploring because not many have that kind of natural touch on the pass that he is showing. I think a next step for his passing would be to better visualize and pass to the open spaces- that was something his brother Monty did very well, but isn’t something that will come naturally to everyone either. Just some random thoughts, hope I am not overstepping by sharing my perspective)

Your knowledgeable of bb is very high and any advice you provide is always welcome.

Noah's hand is fine. I'll pass on your comments and suggestions regarding his passing game.

I'll be at Monty's work-out tomorrow. I've also loved watching how he took an extra moment to allow the recipient to get open before delivering his pass.

I believe he leaves for Puerta Rico in January to start training for the season. He's excited that the Grises de Humacao's General manager and recently retired NBA player JJ Barea traded a first round pick to get him. They've also signed John Stockton's son, and he'll be rejoining his EMU teammate D.Spottsville.

That is great news for Monty. Please wish him well. My son Daniel has got his autographed pic in a frame up in his room- it’s the coolest thing to him!
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(12-23-2022 04:26 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-23-2022 04:06 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(12-23-2022 03:49 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 04:50 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(12-22-2022 01:43 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

Everyone is making good points. There's no right answer.

But when opponents are scoring an astounding 81.3 ppg against EMU, and virtually all other teams in the nation are scoring far less against their opponents, Heath has to address that. As EMU defensive problems go beyond it's players.

But I'm an eternal optimist and hope Heath can come up with solutions to EMU's porous defense, and hope Jihad may help turn the tide.

Well said, Miggy! Did Noah make it back home? If you see/talk to him, let him know how impressive his passing game is looking this season!! (Something I think he should keep exploring because not many have that kind of natural touch on the pass that he is showing. I think a next step for his passing would be to better visualize and pass to the open spaces- that was something his brother Monty did very well, but isn’t something that will come naturally to everyone either. Just some random thoughts, hope I am not overstepping by sharing my perspective)

Your knowledgeable of bb is very high and any advice you provide is always welcome.

Noah's hand is fine. I'll pass on your comments and suggestions regarding his passing game.

Iibe also loved watching how Mo Ty took an extra moment to allow the recipient to get open before delivering his pass.

I believe he leaves for Puerta Rico in January to start training for the season. He's excited that the Grises de Humacao's General manager and recently retired NBA player JJ Barea traded a first round pick to get him. They've also signed John Stockton's son, and he'll be rejoining his EMU teammate D.Spottsville.

That is great news for Monty. Please wish him well. My son Daniel has got his autographed pic in a frame up in his room- it’s the coolest thing to him!

Will do. Have a great holiday!!
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Like to see EMU perimeter defenders stay at home and stop the three-ball rather than continue to try to help-out inside which they rarely do.
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I would like to see this starting lineup:

Pg - Farrakhan
Sg - Acuff
Sf - Golson
PF - Bates
PF - Jihad

Subs: Lovejoy, Randle - high minutes
Subs: Geeter, Billingsley, Luka - Low minutes

However, we may not win another game unless the players decide to run an offense vs 1:1 offense. Bates needs a short leash because if he starts jacking up difficult shots 6-16 two games ago, 3 points last game) I would substitute for him immediately. Not picking on Emoni because Farrakhan has not played well either but Bates is allowed to play “Wildly” and it’s a BIG reason we’re not reaching our potential. When you take 16 shots and miss 12 of them due to a high level of difficulty it’s like turning the ball over. If you consider 1/2 of his ill advised shots as turnovers then Bates alone had 10 turnovers in one game last week. No team can win if a player commits 10 TOs and is allowed to play. It hurts the player and it hurts the team.

Hustle Belts quote:

“Despite his high scoring averages, Emoni Bates has not been efficient for his squad, as he has made just 19-of-62 field goals through his first four MAC games. Stan Heath needs Bates and his fellow Eagles to score more efficiently to turn around their season.” Message to Emoni - we really enjoy you being at EMU but settle down and take good shots because Heath is going to have to override our assistant Coach from the stands (Elgin) and give you a rest.

Go Eagles! Go Emoni - take good shots!
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I would like to see this starting lineup:

Pg - Farrakhan
Sg - Acuff
Sf - Golson
PF - Bates
PF - Jihad

Subs: Lovejoy, Randle - high minutes
Subs: Geeter, Billingsley, Luka - Low minutes

However, we may not win another game unless the players decide to run an offense vs 1:1 offense. Bates needs a short leash because if he starts jacking up difficult shots 6-16 two games ago, 3 points last game) I would substitute for him immediately. Not picking on Emoni because Farrakhan has not played well either but Bates is allowed to play “Wildly” and it’s a BIG reason we’re not reaching our potential. When you take 16 shots and miss 12 of them due to a high level of difficulty it’s like turning the ball over. If you consider 1/2 of his ill advised shots as turnovers then Bates alone had 10 turnovers in one game last week. No team can win if a player commits 10 TOs and is allowed to play. It hurts the player and it hurts the team.

Hustle Belts quote:

“Despite his high scoring averages, Emoni Bates has not been efficient for his squad, as he has made just 19-of-62 field goals through his first four MAC games. Stan Heath needs Bates and his fellow Eagles to score more efficiently to turn around their season.” Message to Emoni - we really enjoy you being at EMU but settle down and take good shots because Heath is going to have to override our assistant Coach from the stands (Elgin) and give you a rest.

Go Eagles! Go Emoni - take good shots!
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(01-17-2023 11:32 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I would like to see this starting lineup:

Pg - Farrakhan
Sg - Acuff
Sf - Golson
PF - Bates
PF - Jihad

Subs: Lovejoy, Randle - high minutes
Subs: Geeter, Billingsley, Luka - Low minutes

However, we may not win another game unless the players decide to run an offense vs 1:1 offense. Bates needs a short leash because if he starts jacking up difficult shots 6-16 two games ago, 3 points last game) I would substitute for him immediately. Not picking on Emoni because Farrakhan has not played well either but Bates is allowed to play “Wildly” and it’s a BIG reason we’re not reaching our potential. When you take 16 shots and miss 12 of them due to a high level of difficulty it’s like turning the ball over. If you consider 1/2 of his ill advised shots as turnovers then Bates alone had 10 turnovers in one game last week. No team can win if a player commits 10 TOs and is allowed to play. It hurts the player and it hurts the team.

Hustle Belts quote:

“Despite his high scoring averages, Emoni Bates has not been efficient for his squad, as he has made just 19-of-62 field goals through his first four MAC games. Stan Heath needs Bates and his fellow Eagles to score more efficiently to turn around their season.” Message to Emoni - we really enjoy you being at EMU but settle down and take good shots because Heath is going to have to override our assistant Coach from the stands (Elgin) and give you a rest.

Go Eagles! Go Emoni - take good shots!

I think Emoni’s shooting and shot selection problems are primarily with the 3 point shooting. For example, yes he was 2-10 on 2s in the BG game, but he shot a lot of free throws (11-14). My point being, his shooting average probably goes up if he is “allowed to make” the shots he is shooting the fouls on. Similar with WMU game, 23 points off of only 16 shots is decent efficiency of 1.41 pps (an alternate way of looking at efficiency). The Akron game was bad all the way around- probably his only really bad game in my opinion.

Now back to the three point shooting, Emoni is 4of25 (16%) in MAC play which is horrendous. He is still 34% on the season, so obviously don’t want him to stop shooting threes altogether. But he does need to cut back until he starts feeling the heat again. ESPECIALLY on some those early possession (and way deep) threes that he takes. Those very much feel like turnovers as you suggest.

As for your starting lineup. I completely disagree. I would Ike to see Lovejoy’s defense starting, Noah sparking things off the bench, and more of Randle (need his defensive height more then we need Golson’s scoring). But who knows.
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I like to see whatever lineup is not last in the MAC in various important categories like rebounding assists and defense and can actually win games. What lineup would that be?
A lot of patting of backs on this thread for a team that has won all of four games.
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(01-17-2023 04:55 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I like to see whatever lineup is not last in the MAC in various important categories like rebounding assists and defense and can actually win games. What lineup would that be?
A lot of patting of backs on this thread for a team that has won all of four games.

So you are suggesting scrapping the team altogether?
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(01-17-2023 06:24 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-17-2023 04:55 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I like to see whatever lineup is not last in the MAC in various important categories like rebounding assists and defense and can actually win games. What lineup would that be?
A lot of patting of backs on this thread for a team that has won all of four games.

So you are suggesting scrapping the team altogether?
RamyEMU, EMU79 does make some valid points, we're last in many MAC Categories! Giving up 81 points per game! That's ranked 359th in D1! We've 3 D1 wins, and have been absolutely embarrassed twice in 4 MAC games! Hopefully, tonight we'll play well! Kent St is still A MAC school! I think we beat the spread! Heath needs to come up with adjustments, and act like a leader instead of stand there with his arms crossed! He needs to show some fire as a coach, 4-13 wasn't expected by anyone on this board! I sure thought we would beat with ease last year's 10-21 record!
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RE: EMU Basketball Proposed Starting Lineup and Role Designation
(01-17-2023 06:58 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(01-17-2023 06:24 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-17-2023 04:55 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I like to see whatever lineup is not last in the MAC in various important categories like rebounding assists and defense and can actually win games. What lineup would that be?
A lot of patting of backs on this thread for a team that has won all of four games.

So you are suggesting scrapping the team altogether?
RamyEMU, EMU79 does make some valid points, we're last in many MAC Categories! Giving up 81 points per game! That's ranked 359th in D1! We've 3 D1 wins, and have been absolutely embarrassed twice in 4 MAC games! Hopefully, tonight we'll play well! Kent St is still A MAC school! I think we beat the spread! Heath needs to come up with adjustments, and act like a leader instead of stand there with his arms crossed! He needs to show some fire as a coach, 4-13 wasn't expected by anyone on this board! I sure thought we would beat with ease last year's 10-21 record!

Oh yes, 79 raises valid points. Just saying what he wants might not be feasible… hope you are right about covering the spread (put some money on the game)
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