(12-09-2022 08:58 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 08:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  For what it's worth, I think the NET is showing out to be quite accurate at this point. The RPI is wonky as hell right now.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_sbelt_Men.html

RealtimeRPI shows South Alabama with a loss to Middle Tennessee on 12/3. Fun fact, we haven’t played Middle Tennessee since 12/3/2016 - a full 6 years ago.

Same with Marshall. They have us losing to Eastern Kentucky and Chattanooga. Schools we've not played this year.

Again, the RPI site is wonky right now.

(12-09-2022 08:19 AM)rileylives Wrote:  The only way this conference will become a two-bid league is if the bottom picks it up, there should be nobody ranked beyond 250.

Our top teams are going to fall dramatically once we have to play the bottom of the conference, it's just what it is.

If everything finished in this order, we would be lucky to have one team in the top 50.

Maybe, due to differences between NET and RPI... But if our top teams are able to schedule strong enough OOC and do well then I'm not so sure. We just need one team with a strong enough resume to get an at-large and another team strong enough to beat them in the tournament. If just a handful like USM, Marshall, JMU can get to that point then there'll be some hope each year. No doubt ODU and GSU at least should get in the mix there sooner or later too.

Look at how weak the bottom half of the CAA was when GMCC got an at-large and went to the Final Four: http://realtimerpi.com/2005-2006/rpi_coln_Men.html

(12-09-2022 09:34 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 08:58 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 08:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  For what it's worth, I think the NET is showing out to be quite accurate at this point. The RPI is wonky as hell right now.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_sbelt_Men.html

RealtimeRPI shows South Alabama with a loss to Middle Tennessee on 12/3. Fun fact, we haven’t played Middle Tennessee since 12/3/2016 - a full 6 years ago.

Same with Marshall. They have us losing to Eastern Kentucky and Chattanooga. Schools we've not played this year.

Again, the RPI site is wonky right now.

I think that site stopped working properly a few years ago. Warren Nolan is up to date I think.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/rpi-live

The non conference games matter more than regular season games.

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(12-09-2022 02:01 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:34 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 08:58 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 08:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  For what it's worth, I think the NET is showing out to be quite accurate at this point. The RPI is wonky as hell right now.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_sbelt_Men.html

RealtimeRPI shows South Alabama with a loss to Middle Tennessee on 12/3. Fun fact, we haven’t played Middle Tennessee since 12/3/2016 - a full 6 years ago.

Same with Marshall. They have us losing to Eastern Kentucky and Chattanooga. Schools we've not played this year.

Again, the RPI site is wonky right now.

I think that site stopped working properly a few years ago. Warren Nolan is up to date I think.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/rpi-live

Yes, that's much better.

The best thing about the net rankings is Louisville is only 4 spots away from being the worst team in NCAA division 1 basketball. Their fans were so snotty when we used to be in a conference together.

(12-09-2022 09:34 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 08:58 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 08:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  For what it's worth, I think the NET is showing out to be quite accurate at this point. The RPI is wonky as hell right now.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_sbelt_Men.html

RealtimeRPI shows South Alabama with a loss to Middle Tennessee on 12/3. Fun fact, we haven’t played Middle Tennessee since 12/3/2016 - a full 6 years ago.

Same with Marshall. They have us losing to Eastern Kentucky and Chattanooga. Schools we've not played this year.

Again, the RPI site is wonky right now.

Mandela Effect!

(12-09-2022 07:40 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 09:34 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 08:58 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(12-09-2022 08:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  For what it's worth, I think the NET is showing out to be quite accurate at this point. The RPI is wonky as hell right now.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_sbelt_Men.html

RealtimeRPI shows South Alabama with a loss to Middle Tennessee on 12/3. Fun fact, we haven’t played Middle Tennessee since 12/3/2016 - a full 6 years ago.

Same with Marshall. They have us losing to Eastern Kentucky and Chattanooga. Schools we've not played this year.

Again, the RPI site is wonky right now.

Mandela Effect!

Lol, i'll just jump back into the portal where Marshall is a national power, and i've lost about 30 lbs...

Updated NET ratings:

21 Southern Miss
38 Marshall
45 James Madison
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama
150 Old Dominion
216 Texas State
248 App State
259 Coastal Carolina
280 Georgia Southern
294 Arkansas State
310 Georgia State
348 ULM

More than half our teams have gone up in the rankings and as such our conference rating is up to #14. Man, if we could get the NET of Georgia State last year (158) or the year before (130) or 2020 (134).

The teams in the West are going to have a a great shot at having a decent NET.

21 Southern Miss
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama

All four of them will play each other twice when SBC play starts, not to mention they all get to play 38 Marshall and 45 James Madison at least once.

(12-11-2022 10:38 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  The teams in the West are going to have a a great shot at having a decent NET.

21 Southern Miss
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama

All four of them will play each other twice when SBC play starts, not to mention they all get to play 38 Marshall and 45 James Madison at least once.

No idea we would look forward to SBC hoops so much coming in this year. It’s a bonus. Football and baseball were a given.

(12-11-2022 10:38 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  The teams in the West are going to have a a great shot at having a decent NET.

21 Southern Miss
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama

All four of them will play each other twice when SBC play starts, not to mention they all get to play 38 Marshall and 45 James Madison at least once.

Let's hope the NET of all teams improves. This is needed to help scheduling in future years. The two go hand in hand.

(12-09-2022 02:29 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  The best thing about the net rankings is Louisville is only 4 spots away from being the worst team in NCAA division 1 basketball. Their fans were so snotty when we used to be in a conference together.

Coached by Kenny Payne, the Laurel MS native who could have turned MK Turk’s late 1980s teams into an NCAA powerhouse but went to Louisville. Boo freaking hoo. I hope they go 0-fer.

(12-11-2022 07:37 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Updated NET ratings:

21 Southern Miss
38 Marshall
45 James Madison
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama
150 Old Dominion
216 Texas State
248 App State
259 Coastal Carolina
280 Georgia Southern
294 Arkansas State
310 Georgia State
348 ULM

More than half our teams have gone up in the rankings and as such our conference rating is up to #14. Man, if we could get the NET of Georgia State last year (158) or the year before (130) or 2020 (134).

We gotta really question the Net rankings. I just took a look at Southern Miss, a 21 Net ranking and they are 157 in Kenpom rankings. They have 2 good wins with Vandy (100) and Liberty(93). I need to dig in to see how Net has them at 21. They played 3 non D-1 schools and 3 teams with a kenpom rating over 350.

Marshall is 88 in KenPom. 1 bad loss vs. queens. No top 100 wins; the best wins are Akron (126) and Duquense (125). Marshall played 2 teams in the top 200 and 6 teams ranked 259 or higher.

JMU has played 3 non Div-1 schools. There best win is vs. South Dakota State (172). They wouldn't have had a terrible schedule if it werent for the 3 non D-1 schools. Played 6 teams ranked 274 or higher.

Louisianas best win is against Samford 138. Kind of like JMU...played 3 non D-1 schools. Schedule wasn't too bad otherwise.

Troys best win is vs. Florida State 139. They also played 3 non D-1 schools.

South Alabama is the only school I have checked that had a legitimate non conference schedule that gives you the chance at an at large, but they are 3-6. Played good teams tough but weren't able to get any wins.

ODU has a good win vs. Furman (83). Bad loss against Drexel.

No one in our conference is remotely close to being considered for an at large bid. Its going to be a 1 bid conference with a 15 or 16 seed. As a conference, you have to have legitimate non conference schedules to even be in the conversation. South Alabama did it but weren't able to win. Troy, ODU, and Louisiana were ok schedules but none of them are getting an at large with those schedules.

To make matters worse, the conference schedule isn't going to help anyone.

(12-11-2022 03:51 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:37 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Updated NET ratings:

21 Southern Miss
38 Marshall
45 James Madison
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama
150 Old Dominion
216 Texas State
248 App State
259 Coastal Carolina
280 Georgia Southern
294 Arkansas State
310 Georgia State
348 ULM

More than half our teams have gone up in the rankings and as such our conference rating is up to #14. Man, if we could get the NET of Georgia State last year (158) or the year before (130) or 2020 (134).

We gotta really question the Net rankings. I just took a look at Southern Miss, a 21 Net ranking and they are 157 in Kenpom rankings. They have 2 good wins with Vandy (100) and Liberty(93). I need to dig in to see how Net has them at 21. They played 3 non D-1 schools and 3 teams with a kenpom rating over 350.

Marshall is 88 in KenPom. 1 bad loss vs. queens. No top 100 wins; the best wins are Akron (126) and Duquense (125). Marshall played 2 teams in the top 200 and 6 teams ranked 259 or higher.

JMU has played 3 non Div-1 schools. There best win is vs. South Dakota State (172). They wouldn't have had a terrible schedule if it werent for the 3 non D-1 schools. Played 6 teams ranked 274 or higher.

Louisianas best win is against Samford 138. Kind of like JMU...played 3 non D-1 schools. Schedule wasn't too bad otherwise.

Troys best win is vs. Florida State 139. They also played 3 non D-1 schools.

South Alabama is the only school I have checked that had a legitimate non conference schedule that gives you the chance at an at large, but they are 3-6. Played good teams tough but weren't able to get any wins.

ODU has a good win vs. Furman (83). Bad loss against Drexel.

No one in our conference is remotely close to being considered for an at large bid. Its going to be a 1 bid conference with a 15 or 16 seed. As a conference, you have to have legitimate non conference schedules to even be in the conversation. South Alabama did it but weren't able to win. Troy, ODU, and Louisiana were ok schedules but none of them are getting an at large with those schedules.

To make matters worse, the conference schedule isn't going to help anyone.

Queens is a Q2 loss on the road by one point. Not a bad loss as it was at the time. In fact it's a better loss than losing to 2/3rds of the conference. They are sitting at 120, 30 points above ODU.

(12-11-2022 03:51 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:37 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Updated NET ratings:

21 Southern Miss
38 Marshall
45 James Madison
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama
150 Old Dominion
216 Texas State
248 App State
259 Coastal Carolina
280 Georgia Southern
294 Arkansas State
310 Georgia State
348 ULM

More than half our teams have gone up in the rankings and as such our conference rating is up to #14. Man, if we could get the NET of Georgia State last year (158) or the year before (130) or 2020 (134).

We gotta really question the Net rankings. I just took a look at Southern Miss, a 21 Net ranking and they are 157 in Kenpom rankings. They have 2 good wins with Vandy (100) and Liberty(93). I need to dig in to see how Net has them at 21. They played 3 non D-1 schools and 3 teams with a kenpom rating over 350.

Marshall is 88 in KenPom. 1 bad loss vs. queens. No top 100 wins; the best wins are Akron (126) and Duquense (125). Marshall played 2 teams in the top 200 and 6 teams ranked 259 or higher.

JMU has played 3 non Div-1 schools. There best win is vs. South Dakota State (172). They wouldn't have had a terrible schedule if it werent for the 3 non D-1 schools. Played 6 teams ranked 274 or higher.

Louisianas best win is against Samford 138. Kind of like JMU...played 3 non D-1 schools. Schedule wasn't too bad otherwise.

Troys best win is vs. Florida State 139. They also played 3 non D-1 schools.

South Alabama is the only school I have checked that had a legitimate non conference schedule that gives you the chance at an at large, but they are 3-6. Played good teams tough but weren't able to get any wins.

ODU has a good win vs. Furman (83). Bad loss against Drexel.

No one in our conference is remotely close to being considered for an at large bid. Its going to be a 1 bid conference with a 15 or 16 seed. As a conference, you have to have legitimate non conference schedules to even be in the conversation. South Alabama did it but weren't able to win. Troy, ODU, and Louisiana were ok schedules but none of them are getting an at large with those schedules.

To make matters worse, the conference schedule isn't going to help anyone.

For JMU's part, I'm a little surprised to see us ranked so well but I don't really disagree with it. Some of the things that make me think we're really good this year don't seem like they'd really translate well to the rankings though.

Particularly the UNC game, watching the game I'd say we saw a team who took a while to settle in to dealing with the big moment of playing in Chapel Hill against the #1 ranked team. They had a lot of possessions where they did everything but make the easy basket looking like they got nervous once the opportunity was there. They settled in and kept the lead from getting bigger after that point. JMU won the second half and had a couple points where they cut it to 6 or 8(I forget exactly). But as time ticked down they didn't give up, they took the chances to try and win instead of playing conservative to keep the score from getting uglier.

So yeah, a game that inspired confidence in how good this team can be when watching the game, but not one that you would think ends up looking any good to a computer ranking system. Then the Valpo loss was a bad one, you would think that'd knock us down further. Going down to the wire with UVA should look good, but we were already #40 before that game. Obviously it helps that our wins have all been pure domination, but I'm just a little surprised they seem to have gone so far to help outweigh the Valpo loss and what ended up a 16 point loss to UNC in the NET rankings.

(12-11-2022 04:35 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 03:51 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:37 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Updated NET ratings:

21 Southern Miss
38 Marshall
45 James Madison
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama
150 Old Dominion
216 Texas State
248 App State
259 Coastal Carolina
280 Georgia Southern
294 Arkansas State
310 Georgia State
348 ULM

More than half our teams have gone up in the rankings and as such our conference rating is up to #14. Man, if we could get the NET of Georgia State last year (158) or the year before (130) or 2020 (134).

We gotta really question the Net rankings. I just took a look at Southern Miss, a 21 Net ranking and they are 157 in Kenpom rankings. They have 2 good wins with Vandy (100) and Liberty(93). I need to dig in to see how Net has them at 21. They played 3 non D-1 schools and 3 teams with a kenpom rating over 350.

Marshall is 88 in KenPom. 1 bad loss vs. queens. No top 100 wins; the best wins are Akron (126) and Duquense (125). Marshall played 2 teams in the top 200 and 6 teams ranked 259 or higher.

JMU has played 3 non Div-1 schools. There best win is vs. South Dakota State (172). They wouldn't have had a terrible schedule if it werent for the 3 non D-1 schools. Played 6 teams ranked 274 or higher.

Louisianas best win is against Samford 138. Kind of like JMU...played 3 non D-1 schools. Schedule wasn't too bad otherwise.

Troys best win is vs. Florida State 139. They also played 3 non D-1 schools.

South Alabama is the only school I have checked that had a legitimate non conference schedule that gives you the chance at an at large, but they are 3-6. Played good teams tough but weren't able to get any wins.

ODU has a good win vs. Furman (83). Bad loss against Drexel.

No one in our conference is remotely close to being considered for an at large bid. Its going to be a 1 bid conference with a 15 or 16 seed. As a conference, you have to have legitimate non conference schedules to even be in the conversation. South Alabama did it but weren't able to win. Troy, ODU, and Louisiana were ok schedules but none of them are getting an at large with those schedules.

To make matters worse, the conference schedule isn't going to help anyone.

Queens is a Q2 loss on the road by one point. Not a bad loss as it was at the time. In fact it's a better loss than losing to 2/3rds of the conference. They are sitting at 120, 30 points above ODU.

Queens is 192 in KenPom. Other than their Marshall win, the best win is vs. High Point. They lost by 12 to La Salle. Thats a bad loss.

(12-11-2022 06:30 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 03:51 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:37 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Updated NET ratings:

21 Southern Miss
38 Marshall
45 James Madison
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama
150 Old Dominion
216 Texas State
248 App State
259 Coastal Carolina
280 Georgia Southern
294 Arkansas State
310 Georgia State
348 ULM

More than half our teams have gone up in the rankings and as such our conference rating is up to #14. Man, if we could get the NET of Georgia State last year (158) or the year before (130) or 2020 (134).

We gotta really question the Net rankings. I just took a look at Southern Miss, a 21 Net ranking and they are 157 in Kenpom rankings. They have 2 good wins with Vandy (100) and Liberty(93). I need to dig in to see how Net has them at 21. They played 3 non D-1 schools and 3 teams with a kenpom rating over 350.

Marshall is 88 in KenPom. 1 bad loss vs. queens. No top 100 wins; the best wins are Akron (126) and Duquense (125). Marshall played 2 teams in the top 200 and 6 teams ranked 259 or higher.

JMU has played 3 non Div-1 schools. There best win is vs. South Dakota State (172). They wouldn't have had a terrible schedule if it werent for the 3 non D-1 schools. Played 6 teams ranked 274 or higher.

Louisianas best win is against Samford 138. Kind of like JMU...played 3 non D-1 schools. Schedule wasn't too bad otherwise.

Troys best win is vs. Florida State 139. They also played 3 non D-1 schools.

South Alabama is the only school I have checked that had a legitimate non conference schedule that gives you the chance at an at large, but they are 3-6. Played good teams tough but weren't able to get any wins.

ODU has a good win vs. Furman (83). Bad loss against Drexel.

No one in our conference is remotely close to being considered for an at large bid. Its going to be a 1 bid conference with a 15 or 16 seed. As a conference, you have to have legitimate non conference schedules to even be in the conversation. South Alabama did it but weren't able to win. Troy, ODU, and Louisiana were ok schedules but none of them are getting an at large with those schedules.

To make matters worse, the conference schedule isn't going to help anyone.

For JMU's part, I'm a little surprised to see us ranked so well but I don't really disagree with it. Some of the things that make me think we're really good this year don't seem like they'd really translate well to the rankings though.

Particularly the UNC game, watching the game I'd say we saw a team who took a while to settle in to dealing with the big moment of playing in Chapel Hill against the #1 ranked team. They had a lot of possessions where they did everything but make the easy basket looking like they got nervous once the opportunity was there. They settled in and kept the lead from getting bigger after that point. JMU won the second half and had a couple points where they cut it to 6 or 8(I forget exactly). But as time ticked down they didn't give up, they took the chances to try and win instead of playing conservative to keep the score from getting uglier.

So yeah, a game that inspired confidence in how good this team can be when watching the game, but not one that you would think ends up looking any good to a computer ranking system. Then the Valpo loss was a bad one, you would think that'd knock us down further. Going down to the wire with UVA should look good, but we were already #40 before that game. Obviously it helps that our wins have all been pure domination, but I'm just a little surprised they seem to have gone so far to help outweigh the Valpo loss and what ended up a 16 point loss to UNC in the NET rankings.

Tough to get a read on them bc of the schedule. Blew out the teams they should have beat (except Valpo) and played 2 top 25 teams fairly well. Maybe they would have some consideration for an at large with an adequate schedule but that schedule was bad.

(12-11-2022 07:01 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 06:30 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 03:51 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:37 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Updated NET ratings:

21 Southern Miss
38 Marshall
45 James Madison
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama
150 Old Dominion
216 Texas State
248 App State
259 Coastal Carolina
280 Georgia Southern
294 Arkansas State
310 Georgia State
348 ULM

More than half our teams have gone up in the rankings and as such our conference rating is up to #14. Man, if we could get the NET of Georgia State last year (158) or the year before (130) or 2020 (134).

We gotta really question the Net rankings. I just took a look at Southern Miss, a 21 Net ranking and they are 157 in Kenpom rankings. They have 2 good wins with Vandy (100) and Liberty(93). I need to dig in to see how Net has them at 21. They played 3 non D-1 schools and 3 teams with a kenpom rating over 350.

Marshall is 88 in KenPom. 1 bad loss vs. queens. No top 100 wins; the best wins are Akron (126) and Duquense (125). Marshall played 2 teams in the top 200 and 6 teams ranked 259 or higher.

JMU has played 3 non Div-1 schools. There best win is vs. South Dakota State (172). They wouldn't have had a terrible schedule if it werent for the 3 non D-1 schools. Played 6 teams ranked 274 or higher.

Louisianas best win is against Samford 138. Kind of like JMU...played 3 non D-1 schools. Schedule wasn't too bad otherwise.

Troys best win is vs. Florida State 139. They also played 3 non D-1 schools.

South Alabama is the only school I have checked that had a legitimate non conference schedule that gives you the chance at an at large, but they are 3-6. Played good teams tough but weren't able to get any wins.

ODU has a good win vs. Furman (83). Bad loss against Drexel.

No one in our conference is remotely close to being considered for an at large bid. Its going to be a 1 bid conference with a 15 or 16 seed. As a conference, you have to have legitimate non conference schedules to even be in the conversation. South Alabama did it but weren't able to win. Troy, ODU, and Louisiana were ok schedules but none of them are getting an at large with those schedules.

To make matters worse, the conference schedule isn't going to help anyone.

For JMU's part, I'm a little surprised to see us ranked so well but I don't really disagree with it. Some of the things that make me think we're really good this year don't seem like they'd really translate well to the rankings though.

Particularly the UNC game, watching the game I'd say we saw a team who took a while to settle in to dealing with the big moment of playing in Chapel Hill against the #1 ranked team. They had a lot of possessions where they did everything but make the easy basket looking like they got nervous once the opportunity was there. They settled in and kept the lead from getting bigger after that point. JMU won the second half and had a couple points where they cut it to 6 or 8(I forget exactly). But as time ticked down they didn't give up, they took the chances to try and win instead of playing conservative to keep the score from getting uglier.

So yeah, a game that inspired confidence in how good this team can be when watching the game, but not one that you would think ends up looking any good to a computer ranking system. Then the Valpo loss was a bad one, you would think that'd knock us down further. Going down to the wire with UVA should look good, but we were already #40 before that game. Obviously it helps that our wins have all been pure domination, but I'm just a little surprised they seem to have gone so far to help outweigh the Valpo loss and what ended up a 16 point loss to UNC in the NET rankings.

Tough to get a read on them bc of the schedule. Blew out the teams they should have beat (except Valpo) and played 2 top 25 teams fairly well. Maybe they would have some consideration for an at large with an adequate schedule but that schedule was bad.

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(12-11-2022 06:52 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 04:35 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 03:51 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-11-2022 07:37 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Updated NET ratings:

21 Southern Miss
38 Marshall
45 James Madison
88 Louisiana
98 Troy
124 South Alabama
150 Old Dominion
216 Texas State
248 App State
259 Coastal Carolina
280 Georgia Southern
294 Arkansas State
310 Georgia State
348 ULM

More than half our teams have gone up in the rankings and as such our conference rating is up to #14. Man, if we could get the NET of Georgia State last year (158) or the year before (130) or 2020 (134).

We gotta really question the Net rankings. I just took a look at Southern Miss, a 21 Net ranking and they are 157 in Kenpom rankings. They have 2 good wins with Vandy (100) and Liberty(93). I need to dig in to see how Net has them at 21. They played 3 non D-1 schools and 3 teams with a kenpom rating over 350.

Marshall is 88 in KenPom. 1 bad loss vs. queens. No top 100 wins; the best wins are Akron (126) and Duquense (125). Marshall played 2 teams in the top 200 and 6 teams ranked 259 or higher.

JMU has played 3 non Div-1 schools. There best win is vs. South Dakota State (172). They wouldn't have had a terrible schedule if it werent for the 3 non D-1 schools. Played 6 teams ranked 274 or higher.

Louisianas best win is against Samford 138. Kind of like JMU...played 3 non D-1 schools. Schedule wasn't too bad otherwise.

Troys best win is vs. Florida State 139. They also played 3 non D-1 schools.

South Alabama is the only school I have checked that had a legitimate non conference schedule that gives you the chance at an at large, but they are 3-6. Played good teams tough but weren't able to get any wins.

ODU has a good win vs. Furman (83). Bad loss against Drexel.

No one in our conference is remotely close to being considered for an at large bid. Its going to be a 1 bid conference with a 15 or 16 seed. As a conference, you have to have legitimate non conference schedules to even be in the conversation. South Alabama did it but weren't able to win. Troy, ODU, and Louisiana were ok schedules but none of them are getting an at large with those schedules.

To make matters worse, the conference schedule isn't going to help anyone.

Queens is a Q2 loss on the road by one point. Not a bad loss as it was at the time. In fact it's a better loss than losing to 2/3rds of the conference. They are sitting at 120, 30 points above ODU.

Queens is 192 in KenPom. Other than their Marshall win, the best win is vs. High Point. They lost by 12 to La Salle. Thats a bad loss.

You're REALLY doing this wrong if you

1) Think our 1 point loss on the road to open the season is an indication of Marshall.

2) Think ANY metric at this point can determine what is a good win/ bad loss.

3) Think Marshall is overrated IN ANY way. Just turn on a game, don't look at the numbers. You will see a damn good team worthy of taking on any in the top 25. This is a very talented group. Very talented.

You should know the NET takes into consideration not how you win, but by how much compared to your peers. If this early data shows anything at all, it is showing that the teams at the top (Southern Miss, Marshall, James Madison and others) are punching above where they should. Example, Marshall was a two point road dog against Duquesne, wins by 11....I'm sure there are more, but you should get the point. There haven't been many bad losses, and a whole slew of big wins over teams they should beat in comparison to their peers.