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Tough Non Conference Schedule Will Pay Dividends Down The Road!
I’m glad that TK scheduled a very challenging non-conference schedule this season as I think it will pay huge dividends when we get into MAC play. Playing teams like UAB, Richmond, George Mason, Northern Iowa, Marshall, and Vermont forces us to play at a high level each game to have a chance to win. It also exposes our deficiencies that we will need to work on and hopefully correct when January rolls around. Beating inferior opponents by 40+ like Ohio U did last night against Cincinnati Clermont doesn’t help a team in any way except to pad their statistics. Playing in some tight competitive games in tough environments now will truly benefit us later when we get into MAC battles against Kent St, Akron, and the other upper echelon MAC teams.
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(12-01-2022 10:03 AM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  I’m glad that TK scheduled a very challenging non-conference schedule this season as I think it will pay huge dividends when we get into MAC play. Playing teams like UAB, Richmond, George Mason, Northern Iowa, Marshall, and Vermont forces us to play at a high level each game to have a chance to win. It also exposes our deficiencies that we will need to work on and hopefully correct when January rolls around. Beating inferior opponents by 40+ like Ohio U did last night against Cincinnati Clermont doesn’t help a team in any way except to pad their statistics. Playing in some tight competitive games in tough environments now will truly benefit us later when we get into MAC battles against Kent St, Akron, and the other upper echelon MAC teams.

oh, you mean the kind of game you have against Lourdes later this month?
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(12-01-2022 10:20 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 10:03 AM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  I’m glad that TK scheduled a very challenging non-conference schedule this season as I think it will pay huge dividends when we get into MAC play. Playing teams like UAB, Richmond, George Mason, Northern Iowa, Marshall, and Vermont forces us to play at a high level each game to have a chance to win. It also exposes our deficiencies that we will need to work on and hopefully correct when January rolls around. Beating inferior opponents by 40+ like Ohio U did last night against Cincinnati Clermont doesn’t help a team in any way except to pad their statistics. Playing in some tight competitive games in tough environments now will truly benefit us later when we get into MAC battles against Kent St, Akron, and the other upper echelon MAC teams.

oh, you mean the kind of game you have against Lourdes later this month?

Arkansas broke a binding contract in October... thats why we scheduled that last second. But we have played Northwest Ohio many times, so Toledo fans shouldnt flip their thumb at that type of scheduling.
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(12-01-2022 10:57 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 10:20 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 10:03 AM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  I’m glad that TK scheduled a very challenging non-conference schedule this season as I think it will pay huge dividends when we get into MAC play. Playing teams like UAB, Richmond, George Mason, Northern Iowa, Marshall, and Vermont forces us to play at a high level each game to have a chance to win. It also exposes our deficiencies that we will need to work on and hopefully correct when January rolls around. Beating inferior opponents by 40+ like Ohio U did last night against Cincinnati Clermont doesn’t help a team in any way except to pad their statistics. Playing in some tight competitive games in tough environments now will truly benefit us later when we get into MAC battles against Kent St, Akron, and the other upper echelon MAC teams.

oh, you mean the kind of game you have against Lourdes later this month?

Arkansas broke a binding contract in October... thats why we scheduled that last second. But we have played Northwest Ohio many times, so Toledo fans shouldnt flip their thumb at that type of scheduling.

i get it; it's the life of a mid-major basketball program. you gotta do what you gotta do to survive and that includes scheduling down when there is no other choice. it happens to all of us, so yeah, no one should be flipping thumbs. good point!
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(12-01-2022 10:20 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 10:03 AM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  I’m glad that TK scheduled a very challenging non-conference schedule this season as I think it will pay huge dividends when we get into MAC play. Playing teams like UAB, Richmond, George Mason, Northern Iowa, Marshall, and Vermont forces us to play at a high level each game to have a chance to win. It also exposes our deficiencies that we will need to work on and hopefully correct when January rolls around. Beating inferior opponents by 40+ like Ohio U did last night against Cincinnati Clermont doesn’t help a team in any way except to pad their statistics. Playing in some tight competitive games in tough environments now will truly benefit us later when we get into MAC battles against Kent St, Akron, and the other upper echelon MAC teams.

oh, you mean the kind of game you have against Lourdes later this month?

I'll be the first one to deride scheduling these types of games whether its Lourdes, Cincinnati Clermont, or Fill in the Blank University. Not to make excuses, but Toledo was put into a bad situation by Arkansas not wanting to play Toledo at the last minute and then having to schedule an alternative game late so that there would not be a two week gap between their last non conference game at Vermont on 12/20 and first MAC game against Ball St on 01/3. Regardless, these types of non conference games do not help prepare you for league play.
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(12-01-2022 01:26 PM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 10:20 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 10:03 AM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  I’m glad that TK scheduled a very challenging non-conference schedule this season as I think it will pay huge dividends when we get into MAC play. Playing teams like UAB, Richmond, George Mason, Northern Iowa, Marshall, and Vermont forces us to play at a high level each game to have a chance to win. It also exposes our deficiencies that we will need to work on and hopefully correct when January rolls around. Beating inferior opponents by 40+ like Ohio U did last night against Cincinnati Clermont doesn’t help a team in any way except to pad their statistics. Playing in some tight competitive games in tough environments now will truly benefit us later when we get into MAC battles against Kent St, Akron, and the other upper echelon MAC teams.

oh, you mean the kind of game you have against Lourdes later this month?

I'll be the first one to deride scheduling these types of games whether its Lourdes, Cincinnati Clermont, or Fill in the Blank University. Not to make excuses, but Toledo was put into a bad situation by Arkansas not wanting to play Toledo at the last minute and then having to schedule an alternative game late so that there would not be a two week gap between their last non conference game at Vermont on 12/20 and first MAC game against Ball St on 01/3. Regardless, these types of non conference games do not help prepare you for league play.

Is what it is. From a local's POV, it's fun to see how the Lourdes kids, many from here will stack up. I'd want to see it even as a pre-season scrimmage type thing. I would never under estimate Dennis Hopson's ability to put together a team and coach them.
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(12-01-2022 10:57 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Arkansas broke a binding contract in October... thats why we scheduled that last second. But we have played Northwest Ohio many times, so Toledo fans shouldnt flip their thumb at that type of scheduling.

Arkansas didn't break the contract. They never signed it. UT signed it then sent it to Ark, and never heard back.
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(12-01-2022 05:28 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 10:57 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Arkansas broke a binding contract in October... thats why we scheduled that last second. But we have played Northwest Ohio many times, so Toledo fans shouldnt flip their thumb at that type of scheduling.

Arkansas didn't break the contract. They never signed it. UT signed it then sent it to Ark, and never heard back.
Not how TK made it sound... Thats what happens to every team who wont play us? lol Send em to every B1G team and play the victim? "Oh man OSU didnt want a 10 for 0 AT Savage... " disrespect.
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the non-conf schedule is looking a bit different overall than expected as Marshall is a 1 point opening game loss from being undefeated and sits 6-1. Northern Iowa, Vermont and Richmond look a little below expectations although each have played tough early schedules. George Mason is 4-4 vs solid comp. Canisius looks a little better than usual but they are usually pretty bad. UAB is undefeated outside of UT and Conf USA in general is having a great early season and emerging as possibly the 7th best overall conference this year as the A10 is down and the MWC, Valley and American (outside of UConn) have lost most of their big or close games, while the WCC has seen Gonzaga come back to earth a bit and BYU dip as well, although San Francisco and St Mary's are off to great starts.

MAC really shot themselves in the foot blowing late leads vs good competition. The following games in which MAC teams had a lead in the final minute but ended up losing would have made a big difference in overall conf profile.
EMU-UMich (N)
OU-Mich (A)
OU-Belmont (A)
Kent-Houston (A)
Kent-Charleston (A)
Akron- Nevada (N)
Buffalo-Drake (N) - not a last minute loss but UB had the lead all game until final 3 minutes when Drake went on a big run and won by 7 or 8

As far as the Lourdes game and UT's schedule, there's a glimmer of hope that game might get replaced. TK said there's a small chance we add a game against a name team that has a covid or other type cancellation. I've noticed a few possibilities here as Virginia lost a game and New Mex and New Mex St cancelled their 2 game in season series. Although none of these teams have an opening that fits into that Dec 28-30 window UT has most available. New Mexico is off to a 7-0 start and Virginia is #3 in the nation.
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(12-01-2022 07:06 PM)pono Wrote:  the non-conf schedule is looking a bit different overall than expected as Marshall is a 1 point opening game loss from being undefeated and sits 6-1. Northern Iowa, Vermont and Richmond look a little below expectations although each have played tough early schedules. George Mason is 4-4 vs solid comp. Canisius looks a little better than usual but they are usually pretty bad. UAB is undefeated outside of UT and Conf USA in general is having a great early season and emerging as possibly the 7th best overall conference this year as the A10 is down and the MWC, Valley and American (outside of UConn) have lost most of their big or close games, while the WCC has seen Gonzaga come back to earth a bit and BYU dip as well, although San Francisco and St Mary's are off to great starts.

MAC really shot themselves in the foot blowing late leads vs good competition. The following games in which MAC teams had a lead in the final minute but ended up losing would have made a big difference in overall conf profile.
EMU-UMich (N)
OU-Mich (A)
OU-Belmont (A)
Kent-Houston (A)
Kent-Charleston (A)
Akron- Nevada (N)
Buffalo-Drake (N) - not a last minute loss but UB had the lead all game until final 3 minutes when Drake went on a big run and won by 7 or 8

As far as the Lourdes game and UT's schedule, there's a glimmer of hope that game might get replaced. TK said there's a small chance we add a game against a name team that has a covid or other type cancellation. I've noticed a few possibilities here as Virginia lost a game and New Mex and New Mex St cancelled their 2 game in season series. Although none of these teams have an opening that fits into that Dec 28-30 window UT has most available. New Mexico is off to a 7-0 start and Virginia is #3 in the nation.


UConn is in the big East now.

Houston is in American though and ranked 1 in the country.
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(12-01-2022 07:06 PM)pono Wrote:  the non-conf schedule is looking a bit different overall than expected as Marshall is a 1 point opening game loss from being undefeated and sits 6-1. Northern Iowa, Vermont and Richmond look a little below expectations although each have played tough early schedules. George Mason is 4-4 vs solid comp. Canisius looks a little better than usual but they are usually pretty bad. UAB is undefeated outside of UT and Conf USA in general is having a great early season and emerging as possibly the 7th best overall conference this year as the A10 is down and the MWC, Valley and American (outside of UConn) have lost most of their big or close games, while the WCC has seen Gonzaga come back to earth a bit and BYU dip as well, although San Francisco and St Mary's are off to great starts.

MAC really shot themselves in the foot blowing late leads vs good competition. The following games in which MAC teams had a lead in the final minute but ended up losing would have made a big difference in overall conf profile.
EMU-UMich (N)
OU-Mich (A)
OU-Belmont (A)
Kent-Houston (A)
Kent-Charleston (A)
Akron- Nevada (N)
Buffalo-Drake (N) - not a last minute loss but UB had the lead all game until final 3 minutes when Drake went on a big run and won by 7 or 8

As far as the Lourdes game and UT's schedule, there's a glimmer of hope that game might get replaced. TK said there's a small chance we add a game against a name team that has a covid or other type cancellation. I've noticed a few possibilities here as Virginia lost a game and New Mex and New Mex St cancelled their 2 game in season series. Although none of these teams have an opening that fits into that Dec 28-30 window UT has most available. New Mexico is off to a 7-0 start and Virginia is #3 in the nation.

Good stuff - thanks for this
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(12-01-2022 06:58 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 05:28 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 10:57 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Arkansas broke a binding contract in October... thats why we scheduled that last second. But we have played Northwest Ohio many times, so Toledo fans shouldnt flip their thumb at that type of scheduling.

Arkansas didn't break the contract. They never signed it. UT signed it then sent it to Ark, and never heard back.
Not how TK made it sound... Thats what happens to every team who wont play us? lol Send em to every B1G team and play the victim? "Oh man OSU didnt want a 10 for 0 AT Savage... " disrespect.

That is exactly how TK made it sound. Ark reached out to Toledo. They agreed to term on a contract. UT signed and returned the contract to Ark. Ark never signed it. Your 'funny' comparison would be nowhere near the same as this situation.

Quote:On Sept. 16, Arkansas reached out to Toledo and the teams quickly settled on a date (Nov. 15) and the guarantee amount ($90,000). The game was to be played at Bud Walton Arena in Fayetteville. Oakland coach Greg Kampe even agreed to change the date of the Golden Grizzlies’ game at Toledo to accompany the Rockets.

The Razorbacks wanted to publicly reveal their schedule on Sept. 19, so UT quickly sent back a signed contract. And waited. And waited. And waited.

Then an Arkansas assistant coach texted Kowalczyk to apologize and alert him that the Razorbacks were going in a different direction.

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ut/20...0221020111
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(12-02-2022 05:37 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 06:58 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 05:28 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 10:57 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Arkansas broke a binding contract in October... thats why we scheduled that last second. But we have played Northwest Ohio many times, so Toledo fans shouldnt flip their thumb at that type of scheduling.

Arkansas didn't break the contract. They never signed it. UT signed it then sent it to Ark, and never heard back.
Not how TK made it sound... Thats what happens to every team who wont play us? lol Send em to every B1G team and play the victim? "Oh man OSU didnt want a 10 for 0 AT Savage... " disrespect.

That is exactly how TK made it sound. Ark reached out to Toledo. They agreed to term on a contract. UT signed and returned the contract to Ark. Ark never signed it. Your 'funny' comparison would be nowhere near the same as this situation.

Quote:On Sept. 16, Arkansas reached out to Toledo and the teams quickly settled on a date (Nov. 15) and the guarantee amount ($90,000). The game was to be played at Bud Walton Arena in Fayetteville. Oakland coach Greg Kampe even agreed to change the date of the Golden Grizzlies’ game at Toledo to accompany the Rockets.

The Razorbacks wanted to publicly reveal their schedule on Sept. 19, so UT quickly sent back a signed contract. And waited. And waited. And waited.

Then an Arkansas assistant coach texted Kowalczyk to apologize and alert him that the Razorbacks were going in a different direction.

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ut/20...0221020111
So they reached out then folded when someone beat us to the date? Still sounds bush league and moreso how TK made it sound.

Upon your 2nd response it sounded like we hit em up, and sent em a contract too. Lol.
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