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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-04-2022 10:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:08 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 09:41 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 08:11 AM)emueagle03 Wrote:  Good Lord. If anyone follows the athletic social media channels, there's plenty of content out there. Pre game hype videos, post game highlights, practice summaries, etc. All of which are produced very well, and posted very frequently.

Between this and the weekly podcast, I think they do an awesome job, better than most of our MAC peers.

This is EXACTLY the problem You guys keep being happy with the "comparative to the MAC" story. lol

I don't think our media relations is bad. I just think overall, what if we raised our expectations (stadium facilities, acceptance of what good coaching is, media coverage) then what would happen? shouldn't it be the goal to be so good in every aspect that we are moved out of the MAC and into a better conference?

Saying things like, well, our media department is better than Akron.....LOL wow
Right here! That is THE point. Even if we're slightly better than Akron or Ball State (Boom goes the dynamite!), that should have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Right now we can conclude that our media relations is not drawing that many fans to our major sporting events so maybe...take some constructive criticism, be creative, and try new things. Or not, if your credo is "good enough, I'm tired."

B*ll s*it.

The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.

We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.

I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.

Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.

We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.
Stevo, your takes lately...First off as a matter of accuracy, Gene Smith presided over EMU's last MAC championship football team and only bowl victory to date, hired Ben Braun, was AD for 3 of our 4 NCAA basketball tournament appearances, the success for which the Convo was able to be built. If anyone could be credited with performing miracles at EMU, it would be Gene Smith. Of course, he has gone on to do great things at Iowa State and now Ohio State. You cannot mention Heather Lyke in the same breath as Gene Smith! I don't understand why you are so resistant to Eastern trying to improve itself. You have a very defeatist, insulting attitude about the potential of EMU. And again NO ONE is comparing our media relations staff to U-M or MSU, absolutely no one. 03-lmfao
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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-04-2022 01:53 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:08 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 09:41 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 08:11 AM)emueagle03 Wrote:  Good Lord. If anyone follows the athletic social media channels, there's plenty of content out there. Pre game hype videos, post game highlights, practice summaries, etc. All of which are produced very well, and posted very frequently.

Between this and the weekly podcast, I think they do an awesome job, better than most of our MAC peers.

This is EXACTLY the problem You guys keep being happy with the "comparative to the MAC" story. lol

I don't think our media relations is bad. I just think overall, what if we raised our expectations (stadium facilities, acceptance of what good coaching is, media coverage) then what would happen? shouldn't it be the goal to be so good in every aspect that we are moved out of the MAC and into a better conference?

Saying things like, well, our media department is better than Akron.....LOL wow
Right here! That is THE point. Even if we're slightly better than Akron or Ball State (Boom goes the dynamite!), that should have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Right now we can conclude that our media relations is not drawing that many fans to our major sporting events so maybe...take some constructive criticism, be creative, and try new things. Or not, if your credo is "good enough, I'm tired."

B*ll s*it.

The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.

We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.

I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.

Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.

We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.

Steve, this is another dumb take. no one thinks we are uofM. What you and others fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to raise the standards and become a higher echelon G5 program. "10th grader..." LOL

Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Tulane, UL Monroe and others should ABSOLUTELY be what EMU aspires to be. Why can't you understand that? I can and according to you, I'm a 10th grader. lol

If the program from top down was serious about it, then think about the advantages to the overall University. Look at what resources Jackson State put in with Deion? Look at what Hugh Freeze just did for Liberty? Tulane is about to get more resources for their program and Coastal is now a household G5 name. Bottom line is that, as long as we compare ourselves to Bowling Green, we will stay with Bowling Green, or Akron, etc.
Perfectly stated.
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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-04-2022 02:33 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 01:53 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:08 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 09:41 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  This is EXACTLY the problem You guys keep being happy with the "comparative to the MAC" story. lol

I don't think our media relations is bad. I just think overall, what if we raised our expectations (stadium facilities, acceptance of what good coaching is, media coverage) then what would happen? shouldn't it be the goal to be so good in every aspect that we are moved out of the MAC and into a better conference?

Saying things like, well, our media department is better than Akron.....LOL wow
Right here! That is THE point. Even if we're slightly better than Akron or Ball State (Boom goes the dynamite!), that should have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Right now we can conclude that our media relations is not drawing that many fans to our major sporting events so maybe...take some constructive criticism, be creative, and try new things. Or not, if your credo is "good enough, I'm tired."

B*ll s*it.

The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.

We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.

I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.

Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.

We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.

Steve, this is another dumb take. no one thinks we are uofM. What you and others fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to raise the standards and become a higher echelon G5 program. "10th grader..." LOL

Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Tulane, UL Monroe and others should ABSOLUTELY be what EMU aspires to be. Why can't you understand that? I can and according to you, I'm a 10th grader. lol

If the program from top down was serious about it, then think about the advantages to the overall University. Look at what resources Jackson State put in with Deion? Look at what Hugh Freeze just did for Liberty? Tulane is about to get more resources for their program and Coastal is now a household G5 name. Bottom line is that, as long as we compare ourselves to Bowling Green, we will stay with Bowling Green, or Akron, etc.
Perfectly stated.

Guys, please do some research before you post:

Tulane is classified among "R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" and had research expenditure of $193.3 million in fiscal year 20." This is the HIGHEST classification in academia.

Has a law school. Med school, etc. etc. Its endowment is almost 2B.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University

If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and EMU in the same sentence that might accuse you of not knowing the difference between Kate Upton and Twiggy.

Don't feel bad. If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and Alabama in the same sentence Tulane alums will laugh at you.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/com..._id=100751

Here is EMU. Wikipedia said we had an endowment of less than 100M a few year ago. Or 5% of Tulane's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Mi...University

Endowment $78.2 million (2019)[2]

I'll do Liberty and Jackson State later. Hint: Liberty has tons of money because of its status as the Notre Dame of Baptist universities.

Here is Liberty's endowment: Endowment $1.71 billion (2020)[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University

Jackson State went from the out house to penthouse (w. Deion) and maybe back to the outhouse without him??? (TBD).
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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-04-2022 03:49 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 02:33 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 01:53 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:08 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Right here! That is THE point. Even if we're slightly better than Akron or Ball State (Boom goes the dynamite!), that should have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Right now we can conclude that our media relations is not drawing that many fans to our major sporting events so maybe...take some constructive criticism, be creative, and try new things. Or not, if your credo is "good enough, I'm tired."

B*ll s*it.

The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.

We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.

I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.

Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.

We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.

Steve, this is another dumb take. no one thinks we are uofM. What you and others fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to raise the standards and become a higher echelon G5 program. "10th grader..." LOL

Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Tulane, UL Monroe and others should ABSOLUTELY be what EMU aspires to be. Why can't you understand that? I can and according to you, I'm a 10th grader. lol

If the program from top down was serious about it, then think about the advantages to the overall University. Look at what resources Jackson State put in with Deion? Look at what Hugh Freeze just did for Liberty? Tulane is about to get more resources for their program and Coastal is now a household G5 name. Bottom line is that, as long as we compare ourselves to Bowling Green, we will stay with Bowling Green, or Akron, etc.
Perfectly stated.

Guys, please do some research before you post:

Tulane is classified among "R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" and had research expenditure of $193.3 million in fiscal year 20." This is the HIGHEST classification in academia.

Has a law school. Med school, etc. etc. Its endowment is almost 2B.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University

If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and EMU in the same sentence that might accuse you of not knowing the difference between Kate Upton and Twiggy.

Don't feel bad. If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and Alabama in the same sentence Tulane alums will laugh at you.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/com..._id=100751

Here is EMU. Wikipedia said we had an endowment of less than 100M a few year ago. Or 5% of Tulane's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Mi...University

Endowment $78.2 million (2019)[2]

I'll do Liberty and Jackson State later. Hint: Liberty has tons of money because of its status as the Notre Dame of Baptist universities.

Here is Liberty's endowment: Endowment $1.71 billion (2020)[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University

Jackson State went from the out house to penthouse (w. Deion) and maybe back to the outhouse without him??? (TBD).
Your arguments are odd, scatterbrained, and irrelevant. The takeaway is that it takes millions/billions of dollars to have a strong media presence...a weekly coach's show? I mean...what?
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I'm at the basketball game today, a site that has a number of EMU fans that like me, were interested in our football bowl destination. I was POSITIVE that EMU would post such information on the scoreboard and also announce it during the BB game. Ugh, I WAS TOTALLY WRONG!

I got my bowl info from Alum93 who brought his wireless phone into the Gervin and used Google.

DemIggs2018, I was not a hater of the media office, but you certainly were found SERIOUSLY WANTING in this situation. I might suggest the term "embarrassing".
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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-04-2022 03:49 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 02:33 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 01:53 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:08 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Right here! That is THE point. Even if we're slightly better than Akron or Ball State (Boom goes the dynamite!), that should have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Right now we can conclude that our media relations is not drawing that many fans to our major sporting events so maybe...take some constructive criticism, be creative, and try new things. Or not, if your credo is "good enough, I'm tired."

B*ll s*it.

The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.

We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.

I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.

Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.

We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.

Steve, this is another dumb take. no one thinks we are uofM. What you and others fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to raise the standards and become a higher echelon G5 program. "10th grader..." LOL

Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Tulane, UL Monroe and others should ABSOLUTELY be what EMU aspires to be. Why can't you understand that? I can and according to you, I'm a 10th grader. lol

If the program from top down was serious about it, then think about the advantages to the overall University. Look at what resources Jackson State put in with Deion? Look at what Hugh Freeze just did for Liberty? Tulane is about to get more resources for their program and Coastal is now a household G5 name. Bottom line is that, as long as we compare ourselves to Bowling Green, we will stay with Bowling Green, or Akron, etc.
Perfectly stated.

Guys, please do some research before you post:

Tulane is classified among "R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" and had research expenditure of $193.3 million in fiscal year 20." This is the HIGHEST classification in academia.

Has a law school. Med school, etc. etc. Its endowment is almost 2B.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University

If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and EMU in the same sentence that might accuse you of not knowing the difference between Kate Upton and Twiggy.

Don't feel bad. If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and Alabama in the same sentence Tulane alums will laugh at you.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/com..._id=100751

Here is EMU. Wikipedia said we had an endowment of less than 100M a few year ago. Or 5% of Tulane's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Mi...University

Endowment $78.2 million (2019)[2]

I'll do Liberty and Jackson State later. Hint: Liberty has tons of money because of its status as the Notre Dame of Baptist universities.

Here is Liberty's endowment: Endowment $1.71 billion (2020)[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University

Jackson State went from the out house to penthouse (w. Deion) and maybe back to the outhouse without him??? (TBD).

Dang Steve, you missed the boat again. Bob and I are likely scratching our heads. "do your research" LOL I know football. researching Wikipedia might be your thing.

It is not of importance to me the endowment funds for a school. I care about the success of a football program and how it can impact things like enrollment, national attention, better recruiting, etc. Your info about Tulane and Bama are head scratching and again you veer off the point very easily. NO ONE is saying EMU is BIG10 or Bama. It is possible that EMU could rise up and become a top tier G5 school. Start covering the team better, continue to get good recruits, continue to make good coaching adjustments, create better facilities, etc. will all lead to 9 and 10 win seasons, thus creating a buzz.
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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-04-2022 08:57 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 03:49 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 02:33 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 01:53 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  B*ll s*it.

The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.

We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.

I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.

Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.

We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.

Steve, this is another dumb take. no one thinks we are uofM. What you and others fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to raise the standards and become a higher echelon G5 program. "10th grader..." LOL

Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Tulane, UL Monroe and others should ABSOLUTELY be what EMU aspires to be. Why can't you understand that? I can and according to you, I'm a 10th grader. lol

If the program from top down was serious about it, then think about the advantages to the overall University. Look at what resources Jackson State put in with Deion? Look at what Hugh Freeze just did for Liberty? Tulane is about to get more resources for their program and Coastal is now a household G5 name. Bottom line is that, as long as we compare ourselves to Bowling Green, we will stay with Bowling Green, or Akron, etc.
Perfectly stated.

Guys, please do some research before you post:

Tulane is classified among "R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" and had research expenditure of $193.3 million in fiscal year 20." This is the HIGHEST classification in academia.

Has a law school. Med school, etc. etc. Its endowment is almost 2B.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University

If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and EMU in the same sentence that might accuse you of not knowing the difference between Kate Upton and Twiggy.

Don't feel bad. If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and Alabama in the same sentence Tulane alums will laugh at you.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/com..._id=100751

Here is EMU. Wikipedia said we had an endowment of less than 100M a few year ago. Or 5% of Tulane's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Mi...University

Endowment $78.2 million (2019)[2]

I'll do Liberty and Jackson State later. Hint: Liberty has tons of money because of its status as the Notre Dame of Baptist universities.

Here is Liberty's endowment: Endowment $1.71 billion (2020)[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University

Jackson State went from the out house to penthouse (w. Deion) and maybe back to the outhouse without him??? (TBD).

Dang Steve, you missed the boat again. Bob and I are likely scratching our heads. "do your research" LOL I know football. researching Wikipedia might be your thing.

It is not of importance to me the endowment funds for a school. I care about the success of a football program and how it can impact things like enrollment, national attention, better recruiting, etc. Your info about Tulane and Bama are head scratching and again you veer off the point very easily. NO ONE is saying EMU is BIG10 or Bama. It is possible that EMU could rise up and become a top tier G5 school. Start covering the team better, continue to get good recruits, continue to make good coaching adjustments, create better facilities, etc. will all lead to 9 and 10 win seasons, thus creating a buzz.

I completely disagree. I do understand the relationship between academics, financial heft and athletic success in intercollegiate athletics. Lot of this is chicken and egg.

Schools with the financial resources of EMU / MAC do not compete well, with rare exceptions, against the athletic, financial power house schools.

WMU got a gem in P.J. who built a powerful program but was hired away by a financial heavyweight. WMU has come back down to earth.

The endowment, operating budget, etc. etc. are damn important. It is how a school builds facilities, pays coaches salaries in an era of a coaching arms race, pays buy games, etc. (buy games are where say Minnesota will pay us 1M to visit instead us paying them 1M to visit us; Kent State played three money games, Washington, Oklahoma and Georgia).

EMU (and the MAC) has been known for producing good results with very limited budgets. Last I checked EMU's athletic department cash budget was less than 20M. It is a small fraction of the big boys who run say 100 - 200M.

It took us years to get new lights, new sound, etc. until Heather could get the money. For years we had the worst football facilities in the MAC. Eventually we got the IPF and later SAPC. W/out them we were at a tremendous disadvantage. Recruits can see with their two eyes who has good facilities who has crap. We can thank GameAbove and EMU athletics for some nifty work to get the SAPC.

Anyone who thinks that a school with poor athletic facilities can recruit against schools with Taj Mahal like facilities is essentially how 10th graders think.

Until someone can show me the EMU FB recruiting budget and compare it to say Minnesota (think P.J.'s school) we will not be on equal footing. Does any remember stories where small budget program coaches drive to their recruiting cities, stay in Motel 6s, etc.

As far as mentioning Tulane, I did not look at ESPN and pull them out of my a*s. BobW suggested why can't we be like them, w/out having a clue that Tulane is probably like Northwestern of the B1G.
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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-05-2022 04:11 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 08:57 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 03:49 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 02:33 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 01:53 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  Steve, this is another dumb take. no one thinks we are uofM. What you and others fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to raise the standards and become a higher echelon G5 program. "10th grader..." LOL

Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Tulane, UL Monroe and others should ABSOLUTELY be what EMU aspires to be. Why can't you understand that? I can and according to you, I'm a 10th grader. lol

If the program from top down was serious about it, then think about the advantages to the overall University. Look at what resources Jackson State put in with Deion? Look at what Hugh Freeze just did for Liberty? Tulane is about to get more resources for their program and Coastal is now a household G5 name. Bottom line is that, as long as we compare ourselves to Bowling Green, we will stay with Bowling Green, or Akron, etc.
Perfectly stated.

Guys, please do some research before you post:

Tulane is classified among "R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" and had research expenditure of $193.3 million in fiscal year 20." This is the HIGHEST classification in academia.

Has a law school. Med school, etc. etc. Its endowment is almost 2B.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University

If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and EMU in the same sentence that might accuse you of not knowing the difference between Kate Upton and Twiggy.

Don't feel bad. If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and Alabama in the same sentence Tulane alums will laugh at you.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/com..._id=100751

Here is EMU. Wikipedia said we had an endowment of less than 100M a few year ago. Or 5% of Tulane's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Mi...University

Endowment $78.2 million (2019)[2]

I'll do Liberty and Jackson State later. Hint: Liberty has tons of money because of its status as the Notre Dame of Baptist universities.

Here is Liberty's endowment: Endowment $1.71 billion (2020)[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University

Jackson State went from the out house to penthouse (w. Deion) and maybe back to the outhouse without him??? (TBD).

Dang Steve, you missed the boat again. Bob and I are likely scratching our heads. "do your research" LOL I know football. researching Wikipedia might be your thing.

It is not of importance to me the endowment funds for a school. I care about the success of a football program and how it can impact things like enrollment, national attention, better recruiting, etc. Your info about Tulane and Bama are head scratching and again you veer off the point very easily. NO ONE is saying EMU is BIG10 or Bama. It is possible that EMU could rise up and become a top tier G5 school. Start covering the team better, continue to get good recruits, continue to make good coaching adjustments, create better facilities, etc. will all lead to 9 and 10 win seasons, thus creating a buzz.

I completely disagree. I do understand the relationship between academics, financial heft and athletic success in intercollegiate athletics. Lot of this is chicken and egg.

Schools with the financial resources of EMU / MAC do not compete well, with rare exceptions, against the athletic, financial power house schools.

WMU got a gem in P.J. who built a powerful program but was hired away by a financial heavyweight. WMU has come back down to earth.

The endowment, operating budget, etc. etc. are damn important. It is how a school builds facilities, pays coaches salaries in an era of a coaching arms race, pays buy games, etc. (buy games are where say Minnesota will pay us 1M to visit instead us paying them 1M to visit us; Kent State played three money games, Washington, Oklahoma and Georgia).

EMU (and the MAC) has been known for producing good results with very limited budgets. Last I checked EMU's athletic department cash budget was less than 20M. It is a small fraction of the big boys who run say 100 - 200M.

It took us years to get new lights, new sound, etc. until Heather could get the money. For years we had the worst football facilities in the MAC. Eventually we got the IPF and later SAPC. W/out them we were at a tremendous disadvantage. Recruits can see with their two eyes who has good facilities who has crap. We can thank GameAbove and EMU athletics for some nifty work to get the SAPC.

Anyone who thinks that a school with poor athletic facilities can recruit against schools with Taj Mahal like facilities is essentially how 10th graders think.

Until someone can show me the EMU FB recruiting budget and compare it to say Minnesota (think P.J.'s school) we will not be on equal footing. Does any remember stories where small budget program coaches drive to their recruiting cities, stay in Motel 6s, etc.

As far as mentioning Tulane, I did not look at ESPN and pull them out of my a*s. BobW suggested why can't we be like them, w/out having a clue that Tulane is probably like Northwestern of the B1G.
I am very aware of Tulane. I never mentioned Tulane. Tulane is irrelevant to the discussion. Take your L and run along.
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(12-05-2022 07:22 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-05-2022 04:11 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 08:57 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 03:49 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 02:33 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Perfectly stated.

Guys, please do some research before you post:

Tulane is classified among "R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" and had research expenditure of $193.3 million in fiscal year 20." This is the HIGHEST classification in academia.

Has a law school. Med school, etc. etc. Its endowment is almost 2B.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University

If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and EMU in the same sentence that might accuse you of not knowing the difference between Kate Upton and Twiggy.

Don't feel bad. If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and Alabama in the same sentence Tulane alums will laugh at you.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/com..._id=100751

Here is EMU. Wikipedia said we had an endowment of less than 100M a few year ago. Or 5% of Tulane's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Mi...University

Endowment $78.2 million (2019)[2]

I'll do Liberty and Jackson State later. Hint: Liberty has tons of money because of its status as the Notre Dame of Baptist universities.

Here is Liberty's endowment: Endowment $1.71 billion (2020)[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University

Jackson State went from the out house to penthouse (w. Deion) and maybe back to the outhouse without him??? (TBD).

Dang Steve, you missed the boat again. Bob and I are likely scratching our heads. "do your research" LOL I know football. researching Wikipedia might be your thing.

It is not of importance to me the endowment funds for a school. I care about the success of a football program and how it can impact things like enrollment, national attention, better recruiting, etc. Your info about Tulane and Bama are head scratching and again you veer off the point very easily. NO ONE is saying EMU is BIG10 or Bama. It is possible that EMU could rise up and become a top tier G5 school. Start covering the team better, continue to get good recruits, continue to make good coaching adjustments, create better facilities, etc. will all lead to 9 and 10 win seasons, thus creating a buzz.

I completely disagree. I do understand the relationship between academics, financial heft and athletic success in intercollegiate athletics. Lot of this is chicken and egg.

Schools with the financial resources of EMU / MAC do not compete well, with rare exceptions, against the athletic, financial power house schools.

WMU got a gem in P.J. who built a powerful program but was hired away by a financial heavyweight. WMU has come back down to earth.

The endowment, operating budget, etc. etc. are damn important. It is how a school builds facilities, pays coaches salaries in an era of a coaching arms race, pays buy games, etc. (buy games are where say Minnesota will pay us 1M to visit instead us paying them 1M to visit us; Kent State played three money games, Washington, Oklahoma and Georgia).

EMU (and the MAC) has been known for producing good results with very limited budgets. Last I checked EMU's athletic department cash budget was less than 20M. It is a small fraction of the big boys who run say 100 - 200M.

It took us years to get new lights, new sound, etc. until Heather could get the money. For years we had the worst football facilities in the MAC. Eventually we got the IPF and later SAPC. W/out them we were at a tremendous disadvantage. Recruits can see with their two eyes who has good facilities who has crap. We can thank GameAbove and EMU athletics for some nifty work to get the SAPC.

Anyone who thinks that a school with poor athletic facilities can recruit against schools with Taj Mahal like facilities is essentially how 10th graders think.

Until someone can show me the EMU FB recruiting budget and compare it to say Minnesota (think P.J.'s school) we will not be on equal footing. Does any remember stories where small budget program coaches drive to their recruiting cities, stay in Motel 6s, etc.

As far as mentioning Tulane, I did not look at ESPN and pull them out of my a*s. BobW suggested why can't we be like them, w/out having a clue that Tulane is probably like Northwestern of the B1G.
I am very aware of Tulane. I never mentioned Tulane. Tulane is irrelevant to the discussion. Take your L and run along.

Bob, I now realize that you didn't post "Tulane" it was the "other" Steve, although you agreed with his post. When posts get quoted and re-quoted sometimes it is hard to know who said what, esp. if using a phone or tablet to read threads.

Sorry, I threw my spitball at you.

Once again, when we look at schools who may be having success in FBS we need to remember that we are not financial analysts and we do not know the financial status of each school, etc.

Any MAC coach who goes say 10 - 2 will have his salary doubled or tripled and he will be gone.

We all know that the 'big boys' can go up to 10M for a preferred coach, even a coach like at MSU who wouldn't compared to Saban, Harbaugh, etc.

I just what to remind any who have not following EMU for decades, that say 50 - 75 years ago EMU might have been called Eastern Mediocre University. In the last 50 years the U has made tremendous progress making it a really beautiful campus. There was great progress what in the late 80 and 90s. State was on a spending spree.

I did not go to EMU when they played FB at the field near where Mark Jefferson is (before my time).

I did go when EMU had all of its athletics in Bowen. We had T&F, phy ed classes, baseball practice, students doing laps on the track, MBB and WBB practice behind a net curtain, S&C, etc. Totally 3rd rate.
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(12-04-2022 02:30 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:08 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 09:41 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 08:11 AM)emueagle03 Wrote:  Good Lord. If anyone follows the athletic social media channels, there's plenty of content out there. Pre game hype videos, post game highlights, practice summaries, etc. All of which are produced very well, and posted very frequently.

Between this and the weekly podcast, I think they do an awesome job, better than most of our MAC peers.

This is EXACTLY the problem You guys keep being happy with the "comparative to the MAC" story. lol

I don't think our media relations is bad. I just think overall, what if we raised our expectations (stadium facilities, acceptance of what good coaching is, media coverage) then what would happen? shouldn't it be the goal to be so good in every aspect that we are moved out of the MAC and into a better conference?

Saying things like, well, our media department is better than Akron.....LOL wow
Right here! That is THE point. Even if we're slightly better than Akron or Ball State (Boom goes the dynamite!), that should have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Right now we can conclude that our media relations is not drawing that many fans to our major sporting events so maybe...take some constructive criticism, be creative, and try new things. Or not, if your credo is "good enough, I'm tired."

B*ll s*it.

The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.

We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.

I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.

Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.

We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.
Stevo, your takes lately...First off as a matter of accuracy, Gene Smith presided over EMU's last MAC championship football team and only bowl victory to date, hired Ben Braun, was AD for 3 of our 4 NCAA basketball tournament appearances, the success for which the Convo was able to be built. If anyone could be credited with performing miracles at EMU, it would be Gene Smith. Of course, he has gone on to do great things at Iowa State and now Ohio State. You cannot mention Heather Lyke in the same breath as Gene Smith! I don't understand why you are so resistant to Eastern trying to improve itself. You have a very defeatist, insulting attitude about the potential of EMU. And again NO ONE is comparing our media relations staff to U-M or MSU, absolutely no one. 03-lmfao

Be careful with your facts, Bob.

Gene Smith did not hire Jim Harkema. Braun may have been interim MBB HC before Smith arrived. Braun was the classic, 'move over one chair' hire.

EVERYONE agrees EMU had a golden age of 10+ years from 1987 - 98 in MBB.

Smith was at EMU apparently 1986 - 1993. Lot of EMU's MBB success occurred after he left.

SOME success (FB 1987, MBB 1991) occurred on his watch but a lot occurred on the watch (MBB 1994, 1996, & 1998) of his successor.

Smith ACTUALLY deserves GREAT credit for hiring Ron Cooper. Cooper only stayed two years but turned the program around, again, with excellent recruiting.

We can argue until the cows come home, if Smith or Braun deserve credit fpr MBB's success. I assume most think that Braun was a once in a generation or two hire. Brought is Gary Waters to recruit and brought in Marcus Kennedy who if he was on the 2022/3 EMU team could lead us to a MAC championship. Kennedy was a beast inside.

Question for the board: Who was the AD after Smith and before Diles?? Forgot and can't find it on the internet.

Answer: Tim Weiser. I looked it up. He was AD from 1993 - 97 and with Dr. Shelton (and Earl Boykins) deserve credit for the GG GA Center.
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