(12-04-2022 08:57 PM)steve4840 Wrote: (12-04-2022 03:49 PM)emu steve Wrote: (12-04-2022 02:33 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: (12-04-2022 01:53 PM)steve4840 Wrote: (12-04-2022 10:56 AM)emu steve Wrote: B*ll s*it.
The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.
We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.
I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.
Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.
We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.
Steve, this is another dumb take. no one thinks we are uofM. What you and others fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to raise the standards and become a higher echelon G5 program. "10th grader..." LOL
Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Tulane, UL Monroe and others should ABSOLUTELY be what EMU aspires to be. Why can't you understand that? I can and according to you, I'm a 10th grader. lol
If the program from top down was serious about it, then think about the advantages to the overall University. Look at what resources Jackson State put in with Deion? Look at what Hugh Freeze just did for Liberty? Tulane is about to get more resources for their program and Coastal is now a household G5 name. Bottom line is that, as long as we compare ourselves to Bowling Green, we will stay with Bowling Green, or Akron, etc.
Perfectly stated.
Guys, please do some research before you post:
Tulane is classified among "R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity" and had research expenditure of $193.3 million in fiscal year 20." This is the HIGHEST classification in academia.
Has a law school. Med school, etc. etc. Its endowment is almost 2B.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University
If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and EMU in the same sentence that might accuse you of not knowing the difference between Kate Upton and Twiggy.
Don't feel bad. If you go to New Orleans and put Tulane and Alabama in the same sentence Tulane alums will laugh at you.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/com..._id=100751
Here is EMU. Wikipedia said we had an endowment of less than 100M a few year ago. Or 5% of Tulane's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Mi...University
Endowment $78.2 million (2019)[2]
I'll do Liberty and Jackson State later. Hint: Liberty has tons of money because of its status as the Notre Dame of Baptist universities.
Here is Liberty's endowment: Endowment $1.71 billion (2020)[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_University
Jackson State went from the out house to penthouse (w. Deion) and maybe back to the outhouse without him??? (TBD).
Dang Steve, you missed the boat again. Bob and I are likely scratching our heads. "do your research" LOL I know football. researching Wikipedia might be your thing.
It is not of importance to me the endowment funds for a school. I care about the success of a football program and how it can impact things like enrollment, national attention, better recruiting, etc. Your info about Tulane and Bama are head scratching and again you veer off the point very easily. NO ONE is saying EMU is BIG10 or Bama. It is possible that EMU could rise up and become a top tier G5 school. Start covering the team better, continue to get good recruits, continue to make good coaching adjustments, create better facilities, etc. will all lead to 9 and 10 win seasons, thus creating a buzz.
I completely disagree. I do understand the relationship between academics, financial heft and athletic success in intercollegiate athletics. Lot of this is chicken and egg.
Schools with the financial resources of EMU / MAC do not compete well, with rare exceptions, against the athletic, financial power house schools.
WMU got a gem in P.J. who built a powerful program but was hired away by a financial heavyweight. WMU has come back down to earth.
The endowment, operating budget, etc. etc. are damn important. It is how a school builds facilities, pays coaches salaries in an era of a coaching arms race, pays buy games, etc. (buy games are where say Minnesota will pay us 1M to visit instead us paying them 1M to visit us; Kent State played three money games, Washington, Oklahoma and Georgia).
EMU (and the MAC) has been known for producing good results with very limited budgets. Last I checked EMU's athletic department cash budget was less than 20M. It is a small fraction of the big boys who run say 100 - 200M.
It took us years to get new lights, new sound, etc. until Heather could get the money. For years we had the worst football facilities in the MAC. Eventually we got the IPF and later SAPC. W/out them we were at a tremendous disadvantage. Recruits can see with their two eyes who has good facilities who has crap. We can thank GameAbove and EMU athletics for some nifty work to get the SAPC.
Anyone who thinks that a school with poor athletic facilities can recruit against schools with Taj Mahal like facilities is essentially how 10th graders think.
Until someone can show me the EMU FB recruiting budget and compare it to say Minnesota (think P.J.'s school) we will not be on equal footing. Does any remember stories where small budget program coaches drive to their recruiting cities, stay in Motel 6s, etc.
As far as mentioning Tulane, I did not look at ESPN and pull them out of my a*s. BobW suggested why can't we be like them, w/out having a clue that Tulane is probably like Northwestern of the B1G.