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(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
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Look, I've fallen on both sides of giving both praise and criticism of what that office does.

The real issue is that we have no local media that gives coverage to the athletic department. Those videos from the ASU perspective after we beat them earlier this year? All local media. NOT the media relations department.

You know what could be a real help? The EMU Journalism / Media Studies program taking a step up. When I was on campus as a student the Echo was pretty solid, and ETV existed, but this could be a HUGE opportunity for students in those areas. ETV hasn't posted a new video on YouTube in TWO YEARS! The Echo didn't write a story after our men's team beat FIU.

The Lantern from Ohio State is writing recaps, previews, opinion pieces, etc. They've got quotes from pressers. They've got highlights from games on their YouTube channel. OSU ALSO has the student-led Scarlet & Gray Sports Radio network that broadcasts games for football, basketball, volleyball, baseball, etc. and has a presence at all of those sports' respective press conferences.

I remember having the Echo in a semi-regular rotation of reading for EMU stuff and then a few years ago the articles started to just be copy-and-pasted from EMUEagles.com

Would I like more content? Heck yes. Does the responsibility of providing more content fall on the Media Relations office? Ultimately no.
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(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?

My point is fairly straightforward, I think.

You don’t like too much coverage? You’re in the minority. You don’t like gaslighting? How about every overly optimistic gimmick, slogan, statement that comes out of the coaching office?
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(12-02-2022 12:44 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 12:26 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  Look, I've fallen on both sides of giving both praise and criticism of what that office does.

The real issue is that we have no local media that gives coverage to the athletic department. Those videos from the ASU perspective after we beat them earlier this year? All local media. NOT the media relations department.

You know what could be a real help? The EMU Journalism / Media Studies program taking a step up. When I was on campus as a student the Echo was pretty solid, and ETV existed, but this could be a HUGE opportunity for students in those areas. ETV hasn't posted a new video on YouTube in TWO YEARS! The Echo didn't write a story after our men's team beat FIU.

The Lantern from Ohio State is writing recaps, previews, opinion pieces, etc. They've got quotes from pressers. They've got highlights from games on their YouTube channel. OSU ALSO has the student-led Scarlet & Gray Sports Radio network that broadcasts games for football, basketball, volleyball, baseball, etc. and has a presence at all of those sports' respective press conferences.

I remember having the Echo in a semi-regular rotation of reading for EMU stuff and then a few years ago the articles started to just be copy-and-pasted from EMUEagles.com

Would I like more content? Heck yes. Does the responsibility of providing more content fall on the Media Relations office? Ultimately no.

So you are saying that the Echo is falling down on the job. The ETV ditto.

All I can say is journalism, esp. print journalism, is dying fast. Consumers go EVERYWHERE for their info. ESPN, this forum, online newspapers, Twitter, etc. etc.

Now like when I was growing up: Detroit Free Press in the morning and Detroit News in the evening.* Plus a half hour of local news. And 30 minutes national news.

* Yes, I have been #subscriptionSteve most of my life.

You say it as falling down on the job, I say it as an opportunity that benefits students and the athletic department alike. Is the Echo even printed anymore? The online presence makes it possible for people like us to read it, but it currently isn't worth the time.

I realize this would mean someone from the faculty side stepping up and going above and beyond what's typically asked of them. Something tells me that, with the way the faculty view athletics, that won't be happening unless there's a nice $ next to the advisor role.

Ultimately it's why I subscribe to Ypsilanti 11 and read HustleBelt. It isn't the world's greatest coverage by any means, but Alex is putting in work and we benefit from it. I wish they could take it a step further and be at the press conferences and such, but I understand there are limitations when you're acting as an independent journalist.
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(12-02-2022 12:26 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  Look, I've fallen on both sides of giving both praise and criticism of what that office does.

The real issue is that we have no local media that gives coverage to the athletic department. Those videos from the ASU perspective after we beat them earlier this year? All local media. NOT the media relations department.

You know what could be a real help? The EMU Journalism / Media Studies program taking a step up. When I was on campus as a student the Echo was pretty solid, and ETV existed, but this could be a HUGE opportunity for students in those areas. ETV hasn't posted a new video on YouTube in TWO YEARS! The Echo didn't write a story after our men's team beat FIU.

The Lantern from Ohio State is writing recaps, previews, opinion pieces, etc. They've got quotes from pressers. They've got highlights from games on their YouTube channel. OSU ALSO has the student-led Scarlet & Gray Sports Radio network that broadcasts games for football, basketball, volleyball, baseball, etc. and has a presence at all of those sports' respective press conferences.

I remember having the Echo in a semi-regular rotation of reading for EMU stuff and then a few years ago the articles started to just be copy-and-pasted from EMUEagles.com

Would I like more content? Heck yes. Does the responsibility of providing more content fall on the Media Relations office? Ultimately no.

Trying to hone in on your points:

1). Is it the lack of coverage by the Echo or ETV?

2). Is the problem reaching the students? Or everyone?

3). Is the problem we try to live in a world where we 'pull down' information from the Internet? I read the name, "Alex Padilla" and went to the Internet to 'pull down' info on him. Compare that to say print media where information is 'pushed' to the reader say daily (those cities which have a daily print paper). #subscriptionSteve subscribes to several daily papers (e.g, Washington Post, N.Y. Times) so that info is 'pushed' to me.
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(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.
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(12-02-2022 04:28 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.

Bob I think you're on to a potentially great idea here.

The Last Dance showed us how much an audience enjoys watching the people who experienced the games first-hand watching and talking about what happened.

As long as we have the rights (not sure what the rule is for something like this on the ESPN content on our own YouTube), Creighton is willing/able to do it (what does his contract stipulate?), and the money is there to pay TJ (or whoever the host is), I think that'd be great.
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(12-02-2022 04:28 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.

Some of your comments are blah, blah, and more blah.

The important thing is that we want to KNOW WHAT MEDIA RELATIONS OR COACHES CAN'T TELL US.

We want to know about recruiting. We want to know about injuries. We want to know who will start at QB. Why players X and Y did not play the first game of the season. We want to know about salaries, road game guarantees, NIL, etc. etc. the stuff universities try to keep private for competitive reasons.

I could care less if one of our players is the son of an Iowa's coaches daughter or some other trivia or one said hello to Nick Saban at a summer camp and bought 5 pieces of Crimson Tide memorabilia.

That said, if I see something RELEVANT I try to point it out. For example, when we got Samson Evans to come to EMU it, logically, increased our chances of getting his brother. We all understand recruiting connections within families, high schools, even by a recruiting coach.

As far as shows on media, UofM draws 110k for a home game; we 10k. Who is going to get the time slots?
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(12-02-2022 04:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:28 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.

Some of your comments are blah, blah, and more blah.

The important thing is that we want to KNOW WHAT MEDIA RELATIONS OR COACHES CAN'T TELL US.

We want to know about recruiting. We want to know about injuries. We want to know who will start at QB. Why players X and Y did not play the first game of the season. We want to know about salaries, road game guarantees, NIL, etc. etc. the stuff universities try to keep private for competitive reasons.

I could care less if one of our players is the son of an Iowa's coaches daughter or some other trivia or one said hello to Nick Saban at a summer camp and bought 5 pieces of Crimson Tide memorabilia.

As far as shows on media, UofM draws 110k for a home game; we 10k. Who is going to get the time slots?
You seem like a nice guy but you are hopelessly addicted to mediocrity. You seem incapable of thinking outside the box which is why Washington D.C. is the perfect place for you. The coach's show would be presented on youtube, there are no time slots. I love how you mention that gaslighting and too much information is bad and then in your next breath, you mention U-M--the most overmarketed, insufferable brand in college sports!
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(12-02-2022 05:02 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:28 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.

Some of your comments are blah, blah, and more blah.

The important thing is that we want to KNOW WHAT MEDIA RELATIONS OR COACHES CAN'T TELL US.

We want to know about recruiting. We want to know about injuries. We want to know who will start at QB. Why players X and Y did not play the first game of the season. We want to know about salaries, road game guarantees, NIL, etc. etc. the stuff universities try to keep private for competitive reasons.

I could care less if one of our players is the son of an Iowa's coaches daughter or some other trivia or one said hello to Nick Saban at a summer camp and bought 5 pieces of Crimson Tide memorabilia.

As far as shows on media, UofM draws 110k for a home game; we 10k. Who is going to get the time slots?
You seem like a nice guy but you are hopelessly addicted to mediocrity. You seem incapable of thinking outside the box which is why Washington D.C. is the perfect place for you. The coach's show would be presented on youtube, there are no time slots. I love how you mention that gaslighting and too much information is bad and then in your next breath, you mention U-M--the most overmarketed, insufferable brand in college sports!

You do realize that you have invited comparisons to Hershel Walker who said he'd put his resume up against President Obama's.

Quite frankly, Bob, some of the time you know not what you are talking about.

I'm not going to post my professional accomplishments, but say I've run 29 marathons including Boston (2 times.). I've run 3:08, 3:13 (as a 44-year old), 3:17, 3:19, etc.
Anyone who has not walked, er, run in my shoes, and accuse me of mediocrity is downright gaslighting.
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(12-02-2022 04:28 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.

Fantastic post. Have some points.
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(12-02-2022 04:41 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:28 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.

Bob I think you're on to a potentially great idea here.

The Last Dance showed us how much an audience enjoys watching the people who experienced the games first-hand watching and talking about what happened.

As long as we have the rights (not sure what the rule is for something like this on the ESPN content on our own YouTube), Creighton is willing/able to do it (what does his contract stipulate?), and the money is there to pay TJ (or whoever the host is), I think that'd be great.

A coach’s review show is REALLY low hanging fruit. It’s not expensive to produce, nor time-consuming. My only assumption is that they don’t think anyone would be interested.
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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-02-2022 05:12 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 05:02 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:28 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.

Some of your comments are blah, blah, and more blah.

The important thing is that we want to KNOW WHAT MEDIA RELATIONS OR COACHES CAN'T TELL US.

We want to know about recruiting. We want to know about injuries. We want to know who will start at QB. Why players X and Y did not play the first game of the season. We want to know about salaries, road game guarantees, NIL, etc. etc. the stuff universities try to keep private for competitive reasons.

I could care less if one of our players is the son of an Iowa's coaches daughter or some other trivia or one said hello to Nick Saban at a summer camp and bought 5 pieces of Crimson Tide memorabilia.

As far as shows on media, UofM draws 110k for a home game; we 10k. Who is going to get the time slots?
You seem like a nice guy but you are hopelessly addicted to mediocrity. You seem incapable of thinking outside the box which is why Washington D.C. is the perfect place for you. The coach's show would be presented on youtube, there are no time slots. I love how you mention that gaslighting and too much information is bad and then in your next breath, you mention U-M--the most overmarketed, insufferable brand in college sports!

You do realize that you have invited comparisons to Hershel Walker who said he'd put his resume up against President Obama's.

Quite frankly, Bob, some of the time you know not what you are talking about.

I'm not going to post my professional accomplishments, but say I've run 29 marathons including Boston (2 times.). I've run 3:08, 3:13 (as a 44-year old), 3:17, 3:19, etc.
Anyone who has not walked, er, run in my shoes, and accuse me of mediocrity is downright gaslighting.

What in the hell is going on here?03-lmfao
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(12-02-2022 06:06 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 05:12 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 05:02 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:28 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.

Some of your comments are blah, blah, and more blah.

The important thing is that we want to KNOW WHAT MEDIA RELATIONS OR COACHES CAN'T TELL US.

We want to know about recruiting. We want to know about injuries. We want to know who will start at QB. Why players X and Y did not play the first game of the season. We want to know about salaries, road game guarantees, NIL, etc. etc. the stuff universities try to keep private for competitive reasons.

I could care less if one of our players is the son of an Iowa's coaches daughter or some other trivia or one said hello to Nick Saban at a summer camp and bought 5 pieces of Crimson Tide memorabilia.

As far as shows on media, UofM draws 110k for a home game; we 10k. Who is going to get the time slots?
You seem like a nice guy but you are hopelessly addicted to mediocrity. You seem incapable of thinking outside the box which is why Washington D.C. is the perfect place for you. The coach's show would be presented on youtube, there are no time slots. I love how you mention that gaslighting and too much information is bad and then in your next breath, you mention U-M--the most overmarketed, insufferable brand in college sports!

You do realize that you have invited comparisons to Hershel Walker who said he'd put his resume up against President Obama's.

Quite frankly, Bob, some of the time you know not what you are talking about.

I'm not going to post my professional accomplishments, but say I've run 29 marathons including Boston (2 times.). I've run 3:08, 3:13 (as a 44-year old), 3:17, 3:19, etc.
Anyone who has not walked, er, run in my shoes, and accuse me of mediocrity is downright gaslighting.

What in the hell is going on here?03-lmfao

Bob threw a 1,017 mile spit ball. :)
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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-02-2022 06:32 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 06:06 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 05:12 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 05:02 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Some of your comments are blah, blah, and more blah.

The important thing is that we want to KNOW WHAT MEDIA RELATIONS OR COACHES CAN'T TELL US.

We want to know about recruiting. We want to know about injuries. We want to know who will start at QB. Why players X and Y did not play the first game of the season. We want to know about salaries, road game guarantees, NIL, etc. etc. the stuff universities try to keep private for competitive reasons.

I could care less if one of our players is the son of an Iowa's coaches daughter or some other trivia or one said hello to Nick Saban at a summer camp and bought 5 pieces of Crimson Tide memorabilia.

As far as shows on media, UofM draws 110k for a home game; we 10k. Who is going to get the time slots?
You seem like a nice guy but you are hopelessly addicted to mediocrity. You seem incapable of thinking outside the box which is why Washington D.C. is the perfect place for you. The coach's show would be presented on youtube, there are no time slots. I love how you mention that gaslighting and too much information is bad and then in your next breath, you mention U-M--the most overmarketed, insufferable brand in college sports!

You do realize that you have invited comparisons to Hershel Walker who said he'd put his resume up against President Obama's.

Quite frankly, Bob, some of the time you know not what you are talking about.

I'm not going to post my professional accomplishments, but say I've run 29 marathons including Boston (2 times.). I've run 3:08, 3:13 (as a 44-year old), 3:17, 3:19, etc.
Anyone who has not walked, er, run in my shoes, and accuse me of mediocrity is downright gaslighting.

What in the hell is going on here?03-lmfao

Bob threw a 1,017 mile spit ball. :)

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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-02-2022 06:04 PM)holybovine Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:41 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 04:28 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 12:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 11:33 AM)holybovine Wrote:  I guess from a Media Relations perspective, the customer is always wrong? People make a few suggestions, and everyone freaks out?

Not sure of your point, but customers don't want to be 'gaslighted' e.g.,, told that the 2022 Detroit Tigers were a good, promising, exciting team. They were not.

My 'problem' with too much media relations, marketing, etc. is that evolves or devolves into a bunch of trivia, useless information, etc.

To say that Player X if the EMU FB player from say the first from the upper peninsula in 50 years is nice but do I really care? Is it useful information? Trivia?
Terrible analogy. The Tigers were potentially a good, promising, exciting team that unfortunately UNDERPERFORMED for whatever reason. They were marketed correctly, the blame lies with the players and the managerial staff. For fans, there is NEVER too much information when it comes to one's team/school. You, my friend know this. Ironically, this board is proof of that! We are figuratively starving for information, which is why there is activity every single day here. By the way, I have yet to hear a reason why there couldn't be a WEEKLY Michigan Replay style coach's show with Chris Creighton featuring someone other than EMU mouthpiece Greg Steiner. As was noted previously, EMU football Hall of Famer TJ Lang who is a legitimate media figure locally at 97.1 could really reach a lot more people outside of the EMU bubble. It is an opportunity that should be explored. That is my free marketing/media advice.

Bob I think you're on to a potentially great idea here.

The Last Dance showed us how much an audience enjoys watching the people who experienced the games first-hand watching and talking about what happened.

As long as we have the rights (not sure what the rule is for something like this on the ESPN content on our own YouTube), Creighton is willing/able to do it (what does his contract stipulate?), and the money is there to pay TJ (or whoever the host is), I think that'd be great.

A coach’s review show is REALLY low hanging fruit. It’s not expensive to produce, nor time-consuming. My only assumption is that they don’t think anyone would be interested.

Or between being HC and OC, Creighton felt it wasn't worth committing time to anymore.
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(12-02-2022 08:11 AM)emueagle03 Wrote:  Good Lord. If anyone follows the athletic social media channels, there's plenty of content out there. Pre game hype videos, post game highlights, practice summaries, etc. All of which are produced very well, and posted very frequently.

Between this and the weekly podcast, I think they do an awesome job, better than most of our MAC peers.

This is EXACTLY the problem You guys keep being happy with the "comparative to the MAC" story. lol

I don't think our media relations is bad. I just think overall, what if we raised our expectations (stadium facilities, acceptance of what good coaching is, media coverage) then what would happen? shouldn't it be the goal to be so good in every aspect that we are moved out of the MAC and into a better conference?

Saying things like, well, our media department is better than Akron.....LOL wow
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(12-02-2022 09:41 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 08:11 AM)emueagle03 Wrote:  Good Lord. If anyone follows the athletic social media channels, there's plenty of content out there. Pre game hype videos, post game highlights, practice summaries, etc. All of which are produced very well, and posted very frequently.

Between this and the weekly podcast, I think they do an awesome job, better than most of our MAC peers.

This is EXACTLY the problem You guys keep being happy with the "comparative to the MAC" story. lol

I don't think our media relations is bad. I just think overall, what if we raised our expectations (stadium facilities, acceptance of what good coaching is, media coverage) then what would happen? shouldn't it be the goal to be so good in every aspect that we are moved out of the MAC and into a better conference?

Saying things like, well, our media department is better than Akron.....LOL wow
Right here! That is THE point. Even if we're slightly better than Akron or Ball State (Boom goes the dynamite!), that should have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Right now we can conclude that our media relations is not drawing that many fans to our major sporting events so maybe...take some constructive criticism, be creative, and try new things. Or not, if your credo is "good enough, I'm tired."
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RE: For the Haters of the Media Relations Office
(12-04-2022 10:08 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 09:41 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 08:11 AM)emueagle03 Wrote:  Good Lord. If anyone follows the athletic social media channels, there's plenty of content out there. Pre game hype videos, post game highlights, practice summaries, etc. All of which are produced very well, and posted very frequently.

Between this and the weekly podcast, I think they do an awesome job, better than most of our MAC peers.

This is EXACTLY the problem You guys keep being happy with the "comparative to the MAC" story. lol

I don't think our media relations is bad. I just think overall, what if we raised our expectations (stadium facilities, acceptance of what good coaching is, media coverage) then what would happen? shouldn't it be the goal to be so good in every aspect that we are moved out of the MAC and into a better conference?

Saying things like, well, our media department is better than Akron.....LOL wow
Right here! That is THE point. Even if we're slightly better than Akron or Ball State (Boom goes the dynamite!), that should have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Right now we can conclude that our media relations is not drawing that many fans to our major sporting events so maybe...take some constructive criticism, be creative, and try new things. Or not, if your credo is "good enough, I'm tired."

B*ll s*it.

The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.

We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.

I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.

Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.

We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.
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(12-04-2022 10:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 10:08 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 09:41 PM)steve4840 Wrote:  
(12-02-2022 08:11 AM)emueagle03 Wrote:  Good Lord. If anyone follows the athletic social media channels, there's plenty of content out there. Pre game hype videos, post game highlights, practice summaries, etc. All of which are produced very well, and posted very frequently.

Between this and the weekly podcast, I think they do an awesome job, better than most of our MAC peers.

This is EXACTLY the problem You guys keep being happy with the "comparative to the MAC" story. lol

I don't think our media relations is bad. I just think overall, what if we raised our expectations (stadium facilities, acceptance of what good coaching is, media coverage) then what would happen? shouldn't it be the goal to be so good in every aspect that we are moved out of the MAC and into a better conference?

Saying things like, well, our media department is better than Akron.....LOL wow
Right here! That is THE point. Even if we're slightly better than Akron or Ball State (Boom goes the dynamite!), that should have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Right now we can conclude that our media relations is not drawing that many fans to our major sporting events so maybe...take some constructive criticism, be creative, and try new things. Or not, if your credo is "good enough, I'm tired."

B*ll s*it.

The notion that if we have UofM's media relations staff we'd be like them is to think like a 10th grader.

We've had excellent ADs, etc who have gone on to perform extremely well elsewhere.

I have an old saying: What you sow depends on the soil that you sow the seed. Some soil is rich and other is nearly barren.

Gene Smith is the AD at OSU. He was at EMU and didn't perform miracles. Heather has been here and now an ACC AD.

We need to realize that EMU is EMU, not a UofM or MSU-possible clone. If someone wanted to be at a B1G school, they should have gone to MSU.

Steve, this is another dumb take. no one thinks we are uofM. What you and others fail to realize is that it is entirely possible to raise the standards and become a higher echelon G5 program. "10th grader..." LOL

Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Tulane, UL Monroe and others should ABSOLUTELY be what EMU aspires to be. Why can't you understand that? I can and according to you, I'm a 10th grader. lol

If the program from top down was serious about it, then think about the advantages to the overall University. Look at what resources Jackson State put in with Deion? Look at what Hugh Freeze just did for Liberty? Tulane is about to get more resources for their program and Coastal is now a household G5 name. Bottom line is that, as long as we compare ourselves to Bowling Green, we will stay with Bowling Green, or Akron, etc.
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