(12-01-2022 07:48 PM)Dusky Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:38 AM)otown Wrote:  Whoever gets Deion needs to understand that what you are getting is a mercenary. He will bolt as soon as he gets a better P5 offer (Colorado doesn't count as a P5 haha). Second, it's still a question mark if he can coach well at the FBS level. With that being said, if he does bolt for another job after a few years, that means he must have turned around an FBS program, so it's a win win for all.

All coaches are mercenaries. Except maybe in basketball, Hardaway, Howard and Stackhouse.

As they should be, it’s business.

I didn't say it wasn't.

(12-02-2022 12:17 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Feels weird rooting for another school to get a coach but I feel like USF getting Deion would be great for the confrence's brand. Just like he got behind HBCU football, I feel like Deion would really get behind #P6.

With the 12-team playoff continuing to be recognized as the top G5 will be very important, USF getting Deion, FAU with Herman, and Tulane keeping Fritz help with that.

You forgot Trent Dilfer at UAB.

(12-02-2022 02:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

He said “could” get a pass. Well of course they could get a pass from him. And I am sure they have other candidates in mind. If Deion is a no-go, I would consider Garrett Riley. Sure he is young, but he is literally about the same age Lincoln was when he took over as the HC at Oklahoma. An that turned out alright.

(12-02-2022 01:42 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 12:17 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Feels weird rooting for another school to get a coach but I feel like USF getting Deion would be great for the confrence's brand. Just like he got behind HBCU football, I feel like Deion would really get behind #P6.

With the 12-team playoff continuing to be recognized as the top G5 will be very important, USF getting Deion, FAU with Herman, and Tulane keeping Fritz help with that.

You forgot Trent Dilfer at UAB.

I don’t think he did.

(12-01-2022 02:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:38 AM)otown Wrote:  Whoever gets Deion needs to understand that what you are getting is a mercenary. He will bolt as soon as he gets a better P5 offer (Colorado doesn't count as a P5 haha). Second, it's still a question mark if he can coach well at the FBS level. With that being said, if he does bolt for another job after a few years, that means he must have turned around an FBS program, so it's a win win for all.

All coaches are mercenaries. Except maybe in basketball, Hardaway, Howard and Stackhouse.

All of us are to some extent. I leave jobs for more money / promotions / both. That is life.

Some people don't mind burning everything down on their way out the door as long as they get what is good for them, others take their fiduciary responsibility seriously and try to leave on good terms.

Lifetime loyalty is too much to ask, but acting responsibly on your way out the door is a reasonable expectation.

(12-02-2022 03:39 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 02:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

He said “could” get a pass. Well of course they could get a pass from him. And I am sure they have other candidates in mind. If Deion is a no-go, I would consider Garrett Riley. Sure he is young, but he is literally about the same age Lincoln was when he took over as the HC at Oklahoma. An that turned out alright.

I’m ok with USF waiting for Deion and going elsewhere if he goes somewhere else. I think there are other good options as you mentioned. I like Manny Diaz and there are others. The Troy coach has been impressive in his first year. It will be interesting to see how all the new coaches @ctually do vs expectations at hiring. USF has been burned before hiring big expectations

(12-02-2022 09:56 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 03:39 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 02:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

He said “could” get a pass. Well of course they could get a pass from him. And I am sure they have other candidates in mind. If Deion is a no-go, I would consider Garrett Riley. Sure he is young, but he is literally about the same age Lincoln was when he took over as the HC at Oklahoma. An that turned out alright.

I’m ok with USF waiting for Deion and going elsewhere if he goes somewhere else. I think there are other good options as you mentioned. I like Manny Diaz and there are others. The Troy coach has been impressive in his first year. It will be interesting to see how all the new coaches @ctually do vs expectations at hiring. USF has been burned before hiring big expectations

Agree^, Stand pat for a few days. If no go then you go shopping again. There are other good coaches out there. Some few ever heard of, just got to find that diamond in the rough.

(11-30-2022 06:01 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  Deion to USF would be great press for the AAC. I think USF would start bringing great talent immediately.

(12-02-2022 09:56 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 03:39 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 02:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

He said “could” get a pass. Well of course they could get a pass from him. And I am sure they have other candidates in mind. If Deion is a no-go, I would consider Garrett Riley. Sure he is young, but he is literally about the same age Lincoln was when he took over as the HC at Oklahoma. An that turned out alright.

I’m ok with USF waiting for Deion and going elsewhere if he goes somewhere else. I think there are other good options as you mentioned. I like Manny Diaz and there are others. The Troy coach has been impressive in his first year. It will be interesting to see how all the new coaches @ctually do vs expectations at hiring. USF has been burned before hiring big expectations

I agree, Manny Diaz would be a great hire. Recruits the state well, and I think he was getting U of M going on the right track before getting fired.

(12-02-2022 11:03 AM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 06:01 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  Deion to USF would be great press for the AAC. I think USF would start bringing great talent immediately.

(12-02-2022 09:56 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 03:39 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 02:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

He said “could” get a pass. Well of course they could get a pass from him. And I am sure they have other candidates in mind. If Deion is a no-go, I would consider Garrett Riley. Sure he is young, but he is literally about the same age Lincoln was when he took over as the HC at Oklahoma. An that turned out alright.

I’m ok with USF waiting for Deion and going elsewhere if he goes somewhere else. I think there are other good options as you mentioned. I like Manny Diaz and there are others. The Troy coach has been impressive in his first year. It will be interesting to see how all the new coaches @ctually do vs expectations at hiring. USF has been burned before hiring big expectations

I agree, Manny Diaz would be a great hire. Recruits the state well, and I think he was getting U of M going on the right track before getting fired.

That’s who I hope for if we don’t land Deion. We shall see

(12-02-2022 11:41 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:03 AM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 06:01 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  Deion to USF would be great press for the AAC. I think USF would start bringing great talent immediately.

(12-02-2022 09:56 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 03:39 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 02:05 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

He said “could” get a pass. Well of course they could get a pass from him. And I am sure they have other candidates in mind. If Deion is a no-go, I would consider Garrett Riley. Sure he is young, but he is literally about the same age Lincoln was when he took over as the HC at Oklahoma. An that turned out alright.

I’m ok with USF waiting for Deion and going elsewhere if he goes somewhere else. I think there are other good options as you mentioned. I like Manny Diaz and there are others. The Troy coach has been impressive in his first year. It will be interesting to see how all the new coaches @ctually do vs expectations at hiring. USF has been burned before hiring big expectations

I agree, Manny Diaz would be a great hire. Recruits the state well, and I think he was getting U of M going on the right track before getting fired.

That’s who I hope for if we don’t land Deion. We shall see

Y'all need a good hire this time around. AAC needs a good USF football program.

(12-02-2022 05:21 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:41 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:03 AM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 06:01 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  Deion to USF would be great press for the AAC. I think USF would start bringing great talent immediately.

(12-02-2022 09:56 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 03:39 AM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  He said “could” get a pass. Well of course they could get a pass from him. And I am sure they have other candidates in mind. If Deion is a no-go, I would consider Garrett Riley. Sure he is young, but he is literally about the same age Lincoln was when he took over as the HC at Oklahoma. An that turned out alright.

I’m ok with USF waiting for Deion and going elsewhere if he goes somewhere else. I think there are other good options as you mentioned. I like Manny Diaz and there are others. The Troy coach has been impressive in his first year. It will be interesting to see how all the new coaches @ctually do vs expectations at hiring. USF has been burned before hiring big expectations

I agree, Manny Diaz would be a great hire. Recruits the state well, and I think he was getting U of M going on the right track before getting fired.

That’s who I hope for if we don’t land Deion. We shall see

Y'all need a good hire this time around. AAC needs a good USF football program.

Man...

Holtz... Inherited solid program (rare for a new coach) and pissed it away...
Taggart... Brought in NFL talent but couldn't go all the way
Strong... Literally tore it all down and burned it
Scott... Was just in waaaaay over his head and blew it completely...

I mean each of these guys was supposed to be 'the one'... Program just cursed I guess...

(12-02-2022 05:48 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 05:21 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:41 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 11:03 AM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 06:01 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  Deion to USF would be great press for the AAC. I think USF would start bringing great talent immediately.

(12-02-2022 09:56 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  I’m ok with USF waiting for Deion and going elsewhere if he goes somewhere else. I think there are other good options as you mentioned. I like Manny Diaz and there are others. The Troy coach has been impressive in his first year. It will be interesting to see how all the new coaches @ctually do vs expectations at hiring. USF has been burned before hiring big expectations

I agree, Manny Diaz would be a great hire. Recruits the state well, and I think he was getting U of M going on the right track before getting fired.

That’s who I hope for if we don’t land Deion. We shall see

Y'all need a good hire this time around. AAC needs a good USF football program.

Man...

Holtz... Inherited solid program (rare for a new coach) and pissed it away...
Taggart... Brought in NFL talent but couldn't go all the way
Strong... Literally tore it all down and burned it
Scott... Was just in waaaaay over his head and blew it completely...

I mean each of these guys was supposed to be 'the one'... Program just cursed I guess...

Agree but our administration didn’t help matters. Holtz was handicapped by the Academic Committee. Strong also was not given the support he wanted. No surprise Deion is asking for complete control over football operations, pretty sure he has heard about our past. Thankfully we have a new administration and for the first time is pro athletics from top to bottom.

Not a good sign USF. Better bring the house if you want Prime Time.

(12-02-2022 05:58 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  Not a good sign USF. Better bring the house if you want Prime Time.

I heard USF is already offering him 5 mill a year. No state taxes in Florida plus no snow and better recruiting grounds. If Colorado is upping their hand it says a lot where they stand

At this point it seems he is just playing one against the other, to get the best dollars. Perfectly fine... that's just business. If it comes down to money, he will go to Colorado. Our only chance is if we gave 'enough' to make it respectable (perhaps 5m), and he valued things like best stepping stone school, where he could win easiest, Florida locale, etc. Feels like he is heading to the rocky mountains though...

(12-02-2022 06:27 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 05:58 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  Not a good sign USF. Better bring the house if you want Prime Time.

I heard USF is already offering him 5 mill a year. No state taxes in Florida plus no snow and better recruiting grounds. If Colorado is upping their hand it says a lot where they stand

Can USF actually afford 5 million a year plus whatever his assistants would cost? Seems unlikely given that y'all are also paying a buyout to another coach and trying to build a stadium.

The fact that CU was an elite program when he was in college, and he can say “I brought them back to that” would be a strong factor I would think (no I don’t think he can actually do that for CU).

(12-02-2022 07:00 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 06:27 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 05:58 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  Not a good sign USF. Better bring the house if you want Prime Time.

I heard USF is already offering him 5 mill a year. No state taxes in Florida plus no snow and better recruiting grounds. If Colorado is upping their hand it says a lot where they stand

Can USF actually afford 5 million a year plus whatever his assistants would cost? Seems unlikely given that y'all are also paying a buyout to another coach and trying to build a stadium.

Exactly, where would USF get 5M plus good assistants and build a stadium? C’mon man.

(12-02-2022 07:00 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 06:27 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 05:58 PM)NoQuarterBrigade Wrote:  Not a good sign USF. Better bring the house if you want Prime Time.

I heard USF is already offering him 5 mill a year. No state taxes in Florida plus no snow and better recruiting grounds. If Colorado is upping their hand it says a lot where they stand

Can USF actually afford 5 million a year plus whatever his assistants would cost? Seems unlikely given that y'all are also paying a buyout to another coach and trying to build a stadium.

I heard that big boosters had stepped up for the 5 million a year for HC, Deion wanted 5 million for assistants, I believe we were offering 4 million there. From what I hear that was the offer.