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RE: Tweet: Deion will make a decision on new school by Sunday between CO, USF, Cincy
Brian Hartline is who I want. Unfortunately, not a lot of good candidates to choose from this year. Deion would be great or disaster. We know what we are getting with Matt Campbell
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RE: Tweet: Deion will make a decision on new school by Sunday between CO, USF, Cincy
Deion to USF actually makes sense. They need a 'hail mary' type hire and he is that. If it works, it'll really work but if it fails, oh well, you were already in the dupster so you just start over again.

moreover the Tampa/USF demographics work in Tampas favor.
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If Deion goes to USF they’ll be hiring a new coach in 3 yrs if Deion is a disaster or if he wins big.
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(11-30-2022 09:33 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Brian Hartline is who I want. Unfortunately, not a lot of good candidates to choose from this year. Deion would be great or disaster. We know what we are getting with Matt Campbell

Y'all just need a coach who continues to realize the area you guys should recruit from. Fickle did it beautifully. I think you guys have as good of a recruiting footprint as anyone.
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(11-30-2022 09:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  If Deion goes to USF they’ll be hiring a new coach in 3 yrs if Deion is a disaster or if he wins big.

That would be the case with any coach we hire.
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(11-30-2022 04:56 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I hope it is UC so the program is torpedoed. Would be hilarious. Guy can't coach for ****.

Say what? His team is 11-0 this year. How do you coach better than that?
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clt says this fall is going to electric in the aac. Charlotte is poaching SEC assistant coaches, dilfer at fau and Deion at usf!
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(11-30-2022 08:35 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 04:56 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I hope it is UC so the program is torpedoed. Would be hilarious. Guy can't coach for ****.

Wow. You really are a genius.

This ECU guy has the littlest prick syndrome. His Pirates can't beat Cincinnati so he resorts to weak smack talk. FWIW, no one is talking about ECU. No one.
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(11-30-2022 04:56 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I hope it is UC so the program is torpedoed. Would be hilarious. Guy can't coach for ****.

Based on what?
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(11-30-2022 10:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 04:56 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I hope it is UC so the program is torpedoed. Would be hilarious. Guy can't coach for ****.

Say what? His team is 11-0 this year. How do you coach better than that?

Is he a good coach? I will go ahead and say yes, but with a caveat. He went into an HBCU, used his star power to get recruits and secure sponsors for NIL to get more recruits. On that small stage it was huge and we see the results. I am sure that he and his staff were at least pretty good at development and the X and O side too, but his big advantage was bringing more resources.

The higher he goes in to football food chain, the less those marginal additional resources are going to matter because the resources there are already greater. I imagine that he will still be an effective recruiter but of course his competition will be recruiting better too.

This does not mean he will not be successful, but his approach is not necessarily scalable and so the question of how adaptable he will be comes in. IDK the answer to that.

I actually think he has a better shot of being successful at USF than Colorado all told, because the model he uses will have more impact there.
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(11-30-2022 09:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 09:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It's probably USF. It would be an incredibly dumb thing for Cincy to do if they hire him. Colorado would be the end of his coaching career.

I think he can bring a good deal of talent into USF. My concern with him is how good of a leader he is. At JSU he has been able to get absolutely overwhelming talent for that league and it looks peachy because they're winning, but can he overwhelm his opponents with talent at USF? What happens when he's going to have to conjure up some Xs and Os?


Cincinnati is going to hire the person who finished last place in the big 12 this year
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(11-30-2022 11:36 PM)Vonz90 Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 10:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 04:56 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I hope it is UC so the program is torpedoed. Would be hilarious. Guy can't coach for ****.

Say what? His team is 11-0 this year. How do you coach better than that?

Is he a good coach? I will go ahead and say yes, but with a caveat. He went into an HBCU, used his star power to get recruits and secure sponsors for NIL to get more recruits. On that small stage it was huge and we see the results. I am sure that he and his staff were at least pretty good at development and the X and O side too, but his big advantage was bringing more resources.

The higher he goes in to football food chain, the less those marginal additional resources are going to matter because the resources there are already greater. I imagine that he will still be an effective recruiter but of course his competition will be recruiting better too.

This does not mean he will not be successful, but his approach is not necessarily scalable and so the question of how adaptable he will be comes in. IDK the answer to that.

I actually think he has a better shot of being successful at USF than Colorado all told, because the model he uses will have more impact there.

Well, he could just as easily have walked in there and flopped, or gone 7-4 vs. 11-0. But he didn't. And last time I checked, recruiting is part of coaching. You make some good points, BUT...

...to say he can't coach for sh!t, as the other dude stated, is asinine.
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(11-30-2022 10:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 04:56 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I hope it is UC so the program is torpedoed. Would be hilarious. Guy can't coach for ****.

Say what? His team is 11-0 this year. How do you coach better than that?


clt says that is like comparing exes to oh’s.
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Whoever gets Deion needs to understand that what you are getting is a mercenary. He will bolt as soon as he gets a better P5 offer (Colorado doesn't count as a P5 haha). Second, it's still a question mark if he can coach well at the FBS level. With that being said, if he does bolt for another job after a few years, that means he must have turned around an FBS program, so it's a win win for all.
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(12-01-2022 07:38 AM)otown Wrote:  Whoever gets Deion needs to understand that what you are getting is a mercenary. He will bolt as soon as he gets a better P5 offer (Colorado doesn't count as a P5 haha). Second, it's still a question mark if he can coach well at the FBS level. With that being said, if he does bolt for another job after a few years, that means he must have turned around an FBS program, so it's a win win for all.

In this day and age very few if any coach would stay in most places if they win and a better offer comes. All you can hope for is that they succeed and leave you in a better place for your next hire.
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(11-30-2022 09:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It's probably USF. It would be an incredibly dumb thing for Cincy to do if they hire him. Colorado would be the end of his coaching career.

I think he can bring a good deal of talent into USF. My concern with him is how good of a leader he is. At JSU he has been able to get absolutely overwhelming talent for that league and it looks peachy because they're winning, but can he overwhelm his opponents with talent at USF? What happens when he's going to have to conjure up some Xs and Os?

I think he can out talent the AAC. Especially the new iteration. UCF had a lot of success in the AAC with some questionable coaching decisions over the years by just having more talent and speed on the field.
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(12-01-2022 07:49 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 09:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It's probably USF. It would be an incredibly dumb thing for Cincy to do if they hire him. Colorado would be the end of his coaching career.

I think he can bring a good deal of talent into USF. My concern with him is how good of a leader he is. At JSU he has been able to get absolutely overwhelming talent for that league and it looks peachy because they're winning, but can he overwhelm his opponents with talent at USF? What happens when he's going to have to conjure up some Xs and Os?

I think he can out talent the AAC. Especially the new iteration. UCF had a lot of success in the AAC with some questionable coaching decisions over the years by just having more talent and speed on the field.

One has to hit on QB in recruiting...more so than any other position (OL might be next).

UCF did well in recruiting but most years, UCF didn't run away with all the talent on the field.

Here is how UCF stood up in AAC Recruiting Rankings:
2013*: #8 UCF...UCF won back to back titles in 2013 & 2014 (usf #1, UH #2)
2014*: #3 UCF (#1 usf, #2 Cinci)
2015: #3 UCF (#1 usf, #2 Cinci)
2016: #4 UCF (#1 UH, #2 Temple)
2017*: #1 UCF (#2 Memphis, #3 Cinci)
2018*: #2 UCF (#1 Cinci, #3 usf)
2019: #1 UCF (#2 Cinci, #3 Memphis)
2020: #7 UCF (#1 Cinci, #2 Memphis)
2021^: #4 UCF (#1 Cinci, #2 Memphis)
2022+: #1 UCF (#2 Cinci, #3 SMU)

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^: 1st year rankings included transfers
+: Playing in the AAC Championship Game

Cinci had the most success (on paper) in recruiting...while others like UCF had to deal with Coaching Turnover (4 coaches since 2015) but still were usually ranked in the Top 3...and yes, solid coaching can help you win games.

Winning "on paper" in recruiting can help...but like programs (Miami et al), winning on paper does not guarantee wins/success on the field.
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(12-01-2022 08:52 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(12-01-2022 07:49 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 09:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  It's probably USF. It would be an incredibly dumb thing for Cincy to do if they hire him. Colorado would be the end of his coaching career.

I think he can bring a good deal of talent into USF. My concern with him is how good of a leader he is. At JSU he has been able to get absolutely overwhelming talent for that league and it looks peachy because they're winning, but can he overwhelm his opponents with talent at USF? What happens when he's going to have to conjure up some Xs and Os?

I think he can out talent the AAC. Especially the new iteration. UCF had a lot of success in the AAC with some questionable coaching decisions over the years by just having more talent and speed on the field.

One has to hit on QB in recruiting...more so than any other position (OL might be next).

UCF did well in recruiting but most years, UCF didn't run away with all the talent on the field.

Here is how UCF stood up in AAC Recruiting Rankings:
2013*: #8 UCF...UCF won back to back titles in 2013 & 2014 (usf #1, UH #2)
2014*: #3 UCF (#1 usf, #2 Cinci)
2015: #3 UCF (#1 usf, #2 Cinci)
2016: #4 UCF (#1 UH, #2 Temple)
2017*: #1 UCF (#2 Memphis, #3 Cinci)
2018*: #2 UCF (#1 Cinci, #3 usf)
2019: #1 UCF (#2 Cinci, #3 Memphis)
2020: #7 UCF (#1 Cinci, #2 Memphis)
2021^: #4 UCF (#1 Cinci, #2 Memphis)
2022+: #1 UCF (#2 Cinci, #3 SMU)

*UCF Conf Titles
^: 1st year rankings included transfers
+: Playing in the AAC Championship Game

Cinci had the most success (on paper) in recruiting...while others like UCF had to deal with Coaching Turnover (4 coaches since 2015) but still were usually ranked in the Top 3...and yes, solid coaching can help you win games.

Winning "on paper" in recruiting can help...but like programs (Miami et al), winning on paper does not guarantee wins/success on the field.

We all know recruiting ratings are mostly trash at best. I'm not talking about on paper. I'm talking about skill and speed. We have hit on QBs and we have developed players yes, but having just more speed all over the field than most of the AAC has gone a long way to help us win games we may not have otherwise won.
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(11-30-2022 10:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-30-2022 04:56 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I hope it is UC so the program is torpedoed. Would be hilarious. Guy can't coach for ****.

Say what? His team is 11-0 this year. How do you coach better than that?

He plays a bunch of terrible HBCU schools and has much better players than he should have at JSU, because of who he is. It is a pretty simple formula. He has shown me nothing as a coach, but plenty as a recruiter and a salesman.

If there is ever a situation where the talent level is even close to even, I'd take 90% of other college coaches to outcoach the guy.
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Any concerns about his leg? I know he's had the surgeries and everything. Is it over?

Will he be able to walk or is there a possibility that he will eventually be wheelchair bound?

How many recruiting visits can you do from a wheelchair?
How much coaching can you do from a wheelchair?
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