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RE: SI Ross Dellenger: CFP Rose Bowl decision expected this week.
(11-28-2022 07:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 06:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Sports Illustrated

The Rose Bowl has lost their minds. Or maybe they were always completely over-rating their power and importance.

The new proposal from the Rose Bowl:

In its latest proposal to the CFP, the Rose Bowl is requesting to host a semifinal in two out of every three years assuming semifinals are held on New Year’s Day.

So the Rose Bowl is asking the CFP to move the semifinals to New Years Day, Rose Bowl would host 2 years out of 3, and they'd STILL have the every-three years problem.

The Rose Bowl is seriously overplaying their hand here. They're making proposals that aren't even close to the balance-of-power-and-money involved. Moving the entire system back a week, for the Rose Bowl 2 years out of 3? Crazy.

Seems like having the semis on NYD and quarters between finals and Christmas would be a really bad deal for TV ratings and travel. They'd be working 4 games quarterfinal games around the NFL.

Conference Championships: Thanksgiving Weekend
1st Round: 1st Week of December
QF: 2nd Week of December

The bonus is then the 4 conference champions that get byes to the QF also get a chance to host Playoff games in addition to the teams that host the 1st round games.

As for starting the season before classes start, obviously classes at schools around the country differ but the Fall Semester 2023 at the University of Illinois and at Penn State start Monday, August 21. Ohio State starts on Tuesday, August 22. If the season starts "Week 0" next year, that would be Saturday, August 26.
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If you're going to have NYD Semis why not just make the Sugar and Rose permanent semis with the other 4 as permanent QFs?
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(11-28-2022 07:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If you're going to have NYD Semis why not just make the Sugar and Rose permanent semis with the other 4 as permanent QFs?

The other bowls wouldn't want to be permanently away from NYD.
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(11-28-2022 07:07 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 07:01 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 06:15 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  The Rose won't unilaterally block CFP expansion, they would be writing their own death sentence. They can only push as hard and as far as the B1G and Pac will support them b/c then it's not "Rose Bowl vs the World" but rather "2 of the P5 conferences hashing things out with the other 3".

What, exactly, does the support of a reeling Pac-1210 amount to these days?

If B1G considers the Rose Bowl a high priority as some seem to think, then did Warren Delany not consider the impact of inviting USC and UCLA (with some or all of Cal, Oregon, Washington and Stanford on deck) on the "Granddaddy of Them All" wrt a gutted Pac-12?

Pretty sure the B1G commissioner and his mentor considered and weighed all the repercussions and yet here we are.

Is actions speak louder than words, then the Rose Bowl doesn't seem like much of a priority to the folks with real power making these decisions.

I agree with everything here 1000%, but I can't wait for a particular B1G guy here to interject with his two cents. I don't see how people don't see the writing on the wall...

The Rose Bowl isn’t doing anything unless it has been vetted by the Big Ten and Pac-12. I’m still confused with the notion that the Big Ten is pushing the Rose Bowl away with the USC/UCLA when the Rose Bowl stadium is now a Big Ten home venue.

Now, that being said, even as a general Rose Bowl defender, I’m not sure what the heck they’re trying to propose here. They’d honestly be better off saying, “Just make us a permanent quarterfinal if the season calendar stays as-is” or “Just make us a permanent semifinal if the season calendar gets pushed back a week.” At least there would be consistency with a playoff game being played at the Rose Bowl on NYD annually (which is what college football *should* want - it’s actually kind of crazy to me that anyone *wouldn’t* want that). If the argument is that the Rose Bowl is superior, at least go all the way with it. The proposals to try to shoehorn a non-playoff Rose Bowl in its time slot 1 out of 3 years is making everything way more difficult.
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Frank, the RB does not have the right to move every FBS team's calendars ahead one week. That's just delusional thinking.

On the first point, it's clear they view a permanent QF game as a massive downgrade. At this point we can safely infer so. If not, why are they having so much trouble?

So if neither of these are viable solutions, what is?
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(11-28-2022 07:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Rose Bowl is calling the shots. Rose Bowl is calling the committee's bluff and will force their hand to rearranging the proposed schedule so the QF fall on NYD, solving the issue.

Where in the article do you infer this? The CFP wants QF on NYD with a triple header. It's the RB that's seemingly not okay with being in that group every year.
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(11-28-2022 07:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If you're going to have NYD Semis why not just make the Sugar and Rose permanent semis with the other 4 as permanent QFs?

What I've been saying for months... and what's been known for decades... those games won't sell out when some of the matchups feature 2 TD favorites. People will hold their money and take extra vacation post NYD, forgoing the QFs. Why would a NY6 Bowl want to remove itself from a SF rotation for that?
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(11-28-2022 07:55 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 07:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 06:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Sports Illustrated

The Rose Bowl has lost their minds. Or maybe they were always completely over-rating their power and importance.

The new proposal from the Rose Bowl:

In its latest proposal to the CFP, the Rose Bowl is requesting to host a semifinal in two out of every three years assuming semifinals are held on New Year’s Day.

So the Rose Bowl is asking the CFP to move the semifinals to New Years Day, Rose Bowl would host 2 years out of 3, and they'd STILL have the every-three years problem.

The Rose Bowl is seriously overplaying their hand here. They're making proposals that aren't even close to the balance-of-power-and-money involved. Moving the entire system back a week, for the Rose Bowl 2 years out of 3? Crazy.

Seems like having the semis on NYD and quarters between finals and Christmas would be a really bad deal for TV ratings and travel. They'd be working 4 games quarterfinal games around the NFL.

Conference Championships: Thanksgiving Weekend
1st Round: 1st Week of December
QF: 2nd Week of December

The bonus is then the 4 conference champions that get byes to the QF also get a chance to host Playoff games in addition to the teams that host the 1st round games.

As for starting the season before classes start, obviously classes at schools around the country differ but the Fall Semester 2023 at the University of Illinois and at Penn State start Monday, August 21. Ohio State starts on Tuesday, August 22. If the season starts "Week 0" next year, that would be Saturday, August 26.

How does changing the schedule like that work when virtually everyone has their out of conference locked up for a decade? What happens when a team has a trip to Ireland or wherever and now they have to play a conference game week 0? What happens to independent schedules who have games slotted for the current week 14? I just don’t see how that’s feasible without either nullifying all contracts or saying we’re not going to change it until 2034 or whatever.
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(11-28-2022 08:46 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Frank, the RB does not have the right to move every FBS team's calendars ahead one week. That's just delusional thinking.

On the first point, it's clear they view a permanent QF game as a massive downgrade. At this point we can safely infer so. If not, why are they having so much trouble?

So if neither of these are viable solutions, what is?

Well the CFP should have thought about that before expanding the Playoff to 12 teams. They're just realizing bowl games built around New Year's Day don't want to schedule a bowl game in the middle of January?
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(11-28-2022 08:46 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Frank, the RB does not have the right to move every FBS team's calendars ahead one week. That's just delusional thinking.

On the first point, it's clear they view a permanent QF game as a massive downgrade. At this point we can safely infer so. If not, why are they having so much trouble?

So if neither of these are viable solutions, what is?

It’s not the Rose Bowl proposing the calendar move. That has already been on the table with the presidents and commissioners. My interpretation is that *if* that calendar move back is enacted where the semifinals (instead of quarterfinals) are on NYD, then the Rose Bowl wants semifinals 2 out of 3 years. To be sure, I’ll believe it when I see it because the CFP would just be trading a PITA to schedule 2 post-NYD January semifinal games around the NFL to an arguably even bigger PITA of scheduling 4 quarterfinal games around the NFL circa Christmas.

As for the Rose Bowl viewing the permanent quarterfinal as a downgrade, yeah, maybe they’re thinking that way and I don’t think that’s a great position to take. My pushback on a lot of non-Big Ten/Pac-12 fans is that they seem to almost delight in trashing the value of the Rose Bowl and going overboard with it. At the same time, though, the Rose Bowl has to be realistic (even though they shouldn’t just totally roll over).

Ultimately, I still don’t think the Rose Bowl is pushing any proposal without clear support from the Big Ten and Pac-12. So, the Rose Bowl isn’t acting alone here. If the Big Ten and/or Pac-12 weren’t on board, the Rose Bowl wouldn’t be pushing it. This isn’t the Rose Bowl against the rest of college football, but rather 2 of the P5 conferences (including one of the “P2”), which changes the leverage dynamics entirely.
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(11-28-2022 08:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 07:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Rose Bowl is calling the shots. Rose Bowl is calling the committee's bluff and will force their hand to rearranging the proposed schedule so the QF fall on NYD, solving the issue.

Where in the article do you infer this? The CFP wants QF on NYD with a triple header. It's the RB that's seemingly not okay with being in that group every year.

It's the final paragraph:

Quote:However, in new iterations of the playoff in 2026 and beyond, there is deep discussion about moving the regular season up a week and shifting the calendar so the semifinals are played on New Year’s Day.
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(11-28-2022 08:56 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 07:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If you're going to have NYD Semis why not just make the Sugar and Rose permanent semis with the other 4 as permanent QFs?

What I've been saying for months... and what's been known for decades... those games won't sell out when some of the matchups feature 2 TD favorites. People will hold their money and take extra vacation post NYD, forgoing the QFs. Why would a NY6 Bowl want to remove itself from a SF rotation for that?

No. NYD games will do great. The semi-finals, however, might struggle a little.
The finals will always draw. That's got more of a corporate crowd anyway.
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(11-28-2022 09:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 08:56 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 07:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If you're going to have NYD Semis why not just make the Sugar and Rose permanent semis with the other 4 as permanent QFs?

What I've been saying for months... and what's been known for decades... those games won't sell out when some of the matchups feature 2 TD favorites. People will hold their money and take extra vacation post NYD, forgoing the QFs. Why would a NY6 Bowl want to remove itself from a SF rotation for that?

No. NYD games will do great. The semi-finals, however, might struggle a little.
The finals will always draw. That's got more of a corporate crowd anyway.

That's why using 1 city/bowl may be the better option for the semis. Maybe use 4 bowls as permanent QFs, then use 3 bowls rotating as the SFs host and 2 New Years Bowls for the first four teams out of the expanded CFP.
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(11-28-2022 09:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 08:46 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Frank, the RB does not have the right to move every FBS team's calendars ahead one week. That's just delusional thinking.

On the first point, it's clear they view a permanent QF game as a massive downgrade. At this point we can safely infer so. If not, why are they having so much trouble?

So if neither of these are viable solutions, what is?

It’s not the Rose Bowl proposing the calendar move. That has already been on the table with the presidents and commissioners. My interpretation is that *if* that calendar move back is enacted where the semifinals (instead of quarterfinals) are on NYD, then the Rose Bowl wants semifinals 2 out of 3 years. To be sure, I’ll believe it when I see it because the CFP would just be trading a PITA to schedule 2 post-NYD January semifinal games around the NFL to an arguably even bigger PITA of scheduling 4 quarterfinal games around the NFL circa Christmas.

As for the Rose Bowl viewing the permanent quarterfinal as a downgrade, yeah, maybe they’re thinking that way and I don’t think that’s a great position to take. My pushback on a lot of non-Big Ten/Pac-12 fans is that they seem to almost delight in trashing the value of the Rose Bowl and going overboard with it. At the same time, though, the Rose Bowl has to be realistic (even though they shouldn’t just totally roll over).

Ultimately, I still don’t think the Rose Bowl is pushing any proposal without clear support from the Big Ten and Pac-12. So, the Rose Bowl isn’t acting alone here. If the Big Ten and/or Pac-12 weren’t on board, the Rose Bowl wouldn’t be pushing it. This isn’t the Rose Bowl against the rest of college football, but rather 2 of the P5 conferences (including one of the “P2”), which changes the leverage dynamics entirely.

The calendar change is a move forced by the NFL... where have Presidents come out in public in favor of week 0 summer football? It seems disastrous on every level... What are the advantages outside of freeing up an extra weekend? Player safety, weather, and the lack of students on campus has to factor in, unless they are starting some European and Canadien series, but that won't be relevant to all of FBS.

Something is amiss here... even the scenario of a 1pm 8pm SF on NYD... it just makes no sense. CFB does not need a 4 hour filler before the next SF game which typically doesn't kickoff until after 8:30 pm ET. What other major American sport sandwiches their playoff games like that?
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(11-28-2022 09:08 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 08:46 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Frank, the RB does not have the right to move every FBS team's calendars ahead one week. That's just delusional thinking.

On the first point, it's clear they view a permanent QF game as a massive downgrade. At this point we can safely infer so. If not, why are they having so much trouble?

So if neither of these are viable solutions, what is?

Well the CFP should have thought about that before expanding the Playoff to 12 teams. They're just realizing bowl games built around New Year's Day don't want to schedule a bowl game in the middle of January?

Dodd's report was all over this a year and a half ago or whenever this was first reported. Dellenger seemingly confirmed with his sources over at SI days later.

Sankey/ND's intent was clear, to take out the RBs exclusivity on NYD and supplant it with QF/SF games. However, even if the RB agreed to take itself out a handful of years, there is probably still A LOT of ambivalence from Presidents regarding SF Bowls in the middle of January, regardless of where they are played.

I get that unanimous approval is that by definition, but when you are taught to toe a certain line, you can never go against the grain and cross it. In this case, it was "preserve bottom line at all costs!".
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(11-28-2022 09:39 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 09:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 08:46 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Frank, the RB does not have the right to move every FBS team's calendars ahead one week. That's just delusional thinking.

On the first point, it's clear they view a permanent QF game as a massive downgrade. At this point we can safely infer so. If not, why are they having so much trouble?

So if neither of these are viable solutions, what is?

It’s not the Rose Bowl proposing the calendar move. That has already been on the table with the presidents and commissioners. My interpretation is that *if* that calendar move back is enacted where the semifinals (instead of quarterfinals) are on NYD, then the Rose Bowl wants semifinals 2 out of 3 years. To be sure, I’ll believe it when I see it because the CFP would just be trading a PITA to schedule 2 post-NYD January semifinal games around the NFL to an arguably even bigger PITA of scheduling 4 quarterfinal games around the NFL circa Christmas.

As for the Rose Bowl viewing the permanent quarterfinal as a downgrade, yeah, maybe they’re thinking that way and I don’t think that’s a great position to take. My pushback on a lot of non-Big Ten/Pac-12 fans is that they seem to almost delight in trashing the value of the Rose Bowl and going overboard with it. At the same time, though, the Rose Bowl has to be realistic (even though they shouldn’t just totally roll over).

Ultimately, I still don’t think the Rose Bowl is pushing any proposal without clear support from the Big Ten and Pac-12. So, the Rose Bowl isn’t acting alone here. If the Big Ten and/or Pac-12 weren’t on board, the Rose Bowl wouldn’t be pushing it. This isn’t the Rose Bowl against the rest of college football, but rather 2 of the P5 conferences (including one of the “P2”), which changes the leverage dynamics entirely.

The calendar change is a move forced by the NFL... where have Presidents come out in public in favor of week 0 summer football? It seems disastrous on every level... What are the advantages outside of freeing up an extra weekend? Player safety, weather, and the lack of students on campus has to factor in, unless they are starting some European and Canadien series, but that won't be relevant to all of FBS.

Something is amiss here... even the scenario of a 1pm 8pm SF on NYD... it just makes no sense. CFB does not need a 4 hour filler before the next SF game which typically doesn't kickoff until after 8:30 pm ET. What other major American sport sandwiches their playoff games like that?

Please see this article (linked in the OP article) from a couple of months ago that was discussed quite a bit here where there’s a draft proposal from the presidents and commissioners for the current Week 0 would become Week 1 for everyone and the whole calendar would either move up a week (e.g. conference championships on Thanksgiving weekend, playoffs presumably starting a week or two later with two rounds played in December and semifinals on NYD) or the rest of the calendar would simply stay the same and schools could have two bye weeks during the season:

https://www.si.com/college/2022/09/21/pr...es-earlier

I don’t quite get the consternation considering that there is a critical mass of games already being played that week, anyway.
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I agree with Frank on Week 0

Take advantage of the extra week before the NFL gets going

Most schools have their students back in mid August so you're still able to get the student body engaged. The earlier in August the better because the weather is nice and your biggest competition is NFL Preseason
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(11-28-2022 06:53 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 06:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Sports Illustrated

The Rose Bowl has lost their minds. Or maybe they were always completely over-rating their power and importance.

The new proposal from the Rose Bowl:

In its latest proposal to the CFP, the Rose Bowl is requesting to host a semifinal in two out of every three years assuming semifinals are held on New Year’s Day.

So the Rose Bowl is asking the CFP to move the semifinals to New Years Day, Rose Bowl would host 2 years out of 3, and they'd STILL have the every-three years problem.

The Rose Bowl is seriously overplaying their hand here. They're making proposals that aren't even close to the balance-of-power-and-money involved. Moving the entire system back a week, for the Rose Bowl 2 years out of 3? Crazy.

1. LOL

2. RIP

3. Good riddance

Wonder what the Rose Bowl cultists think? I've seen of a few pop up on other boards who wholeheartedly believe the folks in Pasadena still hold significant long-term power — even as the Pac-12 teeters on disintegration.

Meanwhile, the B1G has proven it will push aside tradition if a more economically enriching path presents itself.

Tick, tick, tick ...

All this means Pete is that the Big 10 has to decide if it wants its own Playoff centered around the Rose Bowl, or wants to be part of everyone else's playoff.

I say this because the SEC / Disney isn't going to let the tail wag the dog, no matter how much some Big 10 guys shout "Tradition" like they are in a production of Fiddler on the Roof! They are going to discover that Pasadena could become a lot like Anatevka.

What the Rose Bowl is pushing for is a Big 10 decision, not a P5 decision. But whatever that decision is it will not be the final one, unless the Big 10 decides the Rose Bowl can take a seat and a number like everyone else.
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(11-28-2022 10:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 09:39 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 09:09 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 08:46 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Frank, the RB does not have the right to move every FBS team's calendars ahead one week. That's just delusional thinking.

On the first point, it's clear they view a permanent QF game as a massive downgrade. At this point we can safely infer so. If not, why are they having so much trouble?

So if neither of these are viable solutions, what is?

It’s not the Rose Bowl proposing the calendar move. That has already been on the table with the presidents and commissioners. My interpretation is that *if* that calendar move back is enacted where the semifinals (instead of quarterfinals) are on NYD, then the Rose Bowl wants semifinals 2 out of 3 years. To be sure, I’ll believe it when I see it because the CFP would just be trading a PITA to schedule 2 post-NYD January semifinal games around the NFL to an arguably even bigger PITA of scheduling 4 quarterfinal games around the NFL circa Christmas.

As for the Rose Bowl viewing the permanent quarterfinal as a downgrade, yeah, maybe they’re thinking that way and I don’t think that’s a great position to take. My pushback on a lot of non-Big Ten/Pac-12 fans is that they seem to almost delight in trashing the value of the Rose Bowl and going overboard with it. At the same time, though, the Rose Bowl has to be realistic (even though they shouldn’t just totally roll over).

Ultimately, I still don’t think the Rose Bowl is pushing any proposal without clear support from the Big Ten and Pac-12. So, the Rose Bowl isn’t acting alone here. If the Big Ten and/or Pac-12 weren’t on board, the Rose Bowl wouldn’t be pushing it. This isn’t the Rose Bowl against the rest of college football, but rather 2 of the P5 conferences (including one of the “P2”), which changes the leverage dynamics entirely.

The calendar change is a move forced by the NFL... where have Presidents come out in public in favor of week 0 summer football? It seems disastrous on every level... What are the advantages outside of freeing up an extra weekend? Player safety, weather, and the lack of students on campus has to factor in, unless they are starting some European and Canadien series, but that won't be relevant to all of FBS.

Something is amiss here... even the scenario of a 1pm 8pm SF on NYD... it just makes no sense. CFB does not need a 4 hour filler before the next SF game which typically doesn't kickoff until after 8:30 pm ET. What other major American sport sandwiches their playoff games like that?

Please see this article (linked in the OP article) from a couple of months ago that was discussed quite a bit here where there’s a draft proposal from the presidents and commissioners for the current Week 0 would become Week 1 for everyone and the whole calendar would either move up a week (e.g. conference championships on Thanksgiving weekend, playoffs presumably starting a week or two later with two rounds played in December and semifinals on NYD) or the rest of the calendar would simply stay the same and schools could have two bye weeks during the season:

https://www.si.com/college/2022/09/21/pr...es-earlier

I don’t quite get the consternation considering that there is a critical mass of games already being played that week, anyway.

The issue is talking away all the exposure and traditions on Thanksgiving weekend. In addition, its really hot in August in the South. But as the Big 10 historically wrapped up before Thanksgiving, its not surprising Big 10 fans don't understand.
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RE: SI Ross Dellenger: CFP Rose Bowl decision expected this week.
(11-28-2022 10:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 06:53 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 06:10 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Sports Illustrated

The Rose Bowl has lost their minds. Or maybe they were always completely over-rating their power and importance.

The new proposal from the Rose Bowl:

In its latest proposal to the CFP, the Rose Bowl is requesting to host a semifinal in two out of every three years assuming semifinals are held on New Year’s Day.

So the Rose Bowl is asking the CFP to move the semifinals to New Years Day, Rose Bowl would host 2 years out of 3, and they'd STILL have the every-three years problem.

The Rose Bowl is seriously overplaying their hand here. They're making proposals that aren't even close to the balance-of-power-and-money involved. Moving the entire system back a week, for the Rose Bowl 2 years out of 3? Crazy.

1. LOL

2. RIP

3. Good riddance

Wonder what the Rose Bowl cultists think? I've seen of a few pop up on other boards who wholeheartedly believe the folks in Pasadena still hold significant long-term power — even as the Pac-12 teeters on disintegration.

Meanwhile, the B1G has proven it will push aside tradition if a more economically enriching path presents itself.

Tick, tick, tick ...

All this means Pete is that the Big 10 has to decide if it wants its own Playoff centered around the Rose Bowl, or wants to be part of everyone else's playoff.

I say this because the SEC / Disney isn't going to let the tail wag the dog, no matter how much some Big 10 guys shout "Tradition" like they are in a production of Fiddler on the Roof! They are going to discover that Pasadena could become a lot like Anatevka.

What the Rose Bowl is pushing for is a Big 10 decision, not a P5 decision. But whatever that decision is it will not be the final one, unless the Big 10 decides the Rose Bowl can take seat and a number like everyone else.

The SEC obviously has its own ideas, but rest assured that Disney *loves* the Rose Bowl. Even when the BCS bowls were on Fox (remember those days?), the Rose Bowl still had a separate contact with Disney/ABC. It’s a perfect encapsulation of Disney corporate synergy: holiday Disneyland/Rose Bowl combo vacation packages sold to tourists, the Rose Parade on ABC in the morning (promoting Disney movies, parks and TV shows all the way through) and leading into the Rose Bowl on ESPN in the afternoon where top Disney executives (all of whom live in LA) entertain all of their Hollywood business partners in premium seats. That doesn’t happen in a dome in Atlanta or Dallas.
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