(12-03-2022 12:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  The only program I can think that really doesn't belong in D1 is Chicago State. As far as FBS goes, if you can run an FBS-level program, you should have a shot. If I'm the transformation committee, I look at what happened to Idaho as a cautionary tale as to what happens when programs get sent down a level.

Idaho was not their fault. It was their conference lost football playing members and school leadership decided to downgrade their program that was not popular which led to them losing their flagship status and resources started to be going to Boise State instead. Both La.-Lafayette and La.-Monroe are more inline with their brothers down in FCS. Look where we are at today when you put restrictions in place? It winds up hurting the P5, not helping. A lot of these schools at the G5, FCS and D2 could do a lot better if they got the money that the P5 schools are making. Look at Boise State since 2000? They deserved the type of money that Ohio State is making because their on the field performance. Boise State can used that money to keep baseball, mens wrestling, and maybe add beach volleyball, women's wrestling and another women's sport. With that money like what the Big 10 schools are making? They could help speed up their academics by now to be an R1 and join the PAC 12.

You have a decent point about Idaho, but their attendance plummeting after the move should speak to what a bad call that was. They have unique challenges and arguably shouldn't have moved up to begin with, but once you're up, especially as a flagship that's struggling to keep up athletically with an upstart commuter school, you have to at least try to commit to it. I'm not sure what exactly's going on with their flagship status or their academics. Maybe LatahCounty can shed a little light on that.

Saying ULL is closer to FCS than FBS is pretty unfair, though. They've been the second best program in Louisiana for the last decade or so, even with their recent swoon and Tulane turning into a good program. I'm inclined to agree about ULM, though. Very underfunded compared to their peers and too close geographically to a La Tech program that hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire either.

(12-03-2022 12:36 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  The only program I can think that really doesn't belong in D1 is Chicago State. As far as FBS goes, if you can run an FBS-level program, you should have a shot. If I'm the transformation committee, I look at what happened to Idaho as a cautionary tale as to what happens when programs get sent down a level.

Idaho was not their fault. It was their conference lost football playing members and school leadership decided to downgrade their program that was not popular which led to them losing their flagship status and resources started to be going to Boise State instead. Both La.-Lafayette and La.-Monroe are more inline with their brothers down in FCS. Look where we are at today when you put restrictions in place? It winds up hurting the P5, not helping. A lot of these schools at the G5, FCS and D2 could do a lot better if they got the money that the P5 schools are making. Look at Boise State since 2000? They deserved the type of money that Ohio State is making because their on the field performance. Boise State can used that money to keep baseball, mens wrestling, and maybe add beach volleyball, women's wrestling and another women's sport. With that money like what the Big 10 schools are making? They could help speed up their academics by now to be an R1 and join the PAC 12.

You have a decent point about Idaho, but their attendance plummeting after the move should speak to what a bad call that was. They have unique challenges and arguably shouldn't have moved up to begin with, but once you're up, especially as a flagship that's struggling to keep up athletically with an upstart commuter school, you have to at least try to commit to it. I'm not sure what exactly's going on with their flagship status or their academics. Maybe LatahCounty can shed a little light on that.

Saying ULL is closer to FCS than FBS is pretty unfair, though. They've been the second best program in Louisiana for the last decade or so, even with their recent swoon and Tulane turning into a good program. I'm inclined to agree about ULM, though. Very underfunded compared to their peers and too close geographically to a La Tech program that hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire either.

La.-Lafayette is also kinda underfunded as well. It is more of the issues of the state's finances that is the problem. Lawmakers were thinking of having one conference for La. Tech, La.-Lafayette, La.-Monroe, Nicholls, NW La. Tech, SE La. and McNeese State along with Southern U and Grmabling at the FCS level along with New Orleans and maybe bring up the two NAIA public La schools to fill it out.

(12-03-2022 12:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:36 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  The only program I can think that really doesn't belong in D1 is Chicago State. As far as FBS goes, if you can run an FBS-level program, you should have a shot. If I'm the transformation committee, I look at what happened to Idaho as a cautionary tale as to what happens when programs get sent down a level.

Idaho was not their fault. It was their conference lost football playing members and school leadership decided to downgrade their program that was not popular which led to them losing their flagship status and resources started to be going to Boise State instead. Both La.-Lafayette and La.-Monroe are more inline with their brothers down in FCS. Look where we are at today when you put restrictions in place? It winds up hurting the P5, not helping. A lot of these schools at the G5, FCS and D2 could do a lot better if they got the money that the P5 schools are making. Look at Boise State since 2000? They deserved the type of money that Ohio State is making because their on the field performance. Boise State can used that money to keep baseball, mens wrestling, and maybe add beach volleyball, women's wrestling and another women's sport. With that money like what the Big 10 schools are making? They could help speed up their academics by now to be an R1 and join the PAC 12.

You have a decent point about Idaho, but their attendance plummeting after the move should speak to what a bad call that was. They have unique challenges and arguably shouldn't have moved up to begin with, but once you're up, especially as a flagship that's struggling to keep up athletically with an upstart commuter school, you have to at least try to commit to it. I'm not sure what exactly's going on with their flagship status or their academics. Maybe LatahCounty can shed a little light on that.

Saying ULL is closer to FCS than FBS is pretty unfair, though. They've been the second best program in Louisiana for the last decade or so, even with their recent swoon and Tulane turning into a good program. I'm inclined to agree about ULM, though. Very underfunded compared to their peers and too close geographically to a La Tech program that hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire either.

La.-Lafayette is also kinda underfunded as well. It is more of the issues of the state's finances that is the problem. Lawmakers were thinking of having one conference for La. Tech, La.-Lafayette, La.-Monroe, Nicholls, NW La. Tech, SE La. and McNeese State along with Southern U and Grmabling at the FCS level along with New Orleans and maybe bring up the two NAIA public La schools to fill it out.

That would be an insanely stupid idea and would destroy every non-Southland fanbase in that list.

(12-03-2022 12:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 12:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 11:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:05 AM)unalions Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 08:24 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Most of the G5 should probably be down a level.

We’ll see what the Transformation Committee comes up with.

I think that’s the scariest part of all of this. Schools can break their necks to be FBS and it could all be for naught if the committee decides on different criteria for the division that many schools don’t meet.

From this article in October:

"There's been a lot of frustration that there's no membership standards or expectations -- that we don't know for sure what being a future D-I member is going to be," a commissioner told CBS Sports.

Another commissioner of a one-bid league expressed vexation over how long this rollout of change is taking.

"The committee is focused on things like bracket expansion, taking a recommendation all sports go to 25% of their current membership," he said. "But I'm more worried at the moment about membership requirements to know if I'll ever have certain members in my conference."

Said another source of trying to govern all D-I sports under the same set of rules: "We are too large."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ments/amp/

The problem is that you have basketball first with no football in D1 which is hurting the football playing members. You do have complaints from FBS and FCS football schools about this. That is why we are now seeing FCS schools want out, because the only solutions that several different leaders is to break D1 into 1A and 1AA for all sports. Big Least would be happy to win the men's basketball championship everyyear in 1AA. That way FBS can set their own rules and 1AA can have theirs for all sports.

Wut

How do Providence and St. John’s affect any schools football program? Perhaps you’d rather have them restart their programs and go FBS?

Because those schools have the same equal votes with Ohio State, Alabama and all that and are handcuffing those schools to not go past what they are spending now. Non-football schools in D1 have equal votes with the football schools and have a say so on what is being voted on. Removed those schools out of the picture? Then, you can see football schools have more freedom on what can be voted on. Like salery caps on coaches and staff to how to get schools in G5 conferences more money to help build their programs up to spend more on sports to be part of the P5. Right now, we have an unequal pay to schools in FBS as it is when schools like Boise State deserves to be paid more than what they are getting.

So … the presence of the Big East is somehow preventing Alabama and Ohio State from spending more money? And if they didn’t have the Big East holding them back from spending all the money they want, they would use this freedom to cap coaches salaries so they could give the money to Boise State?